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VOTE: asia
"Get angry easily" =4
"Take charge" =5
"Make people feel welcome" =5
"Like music" =4
"Like to tidy up" =3
"Like to visit new places" =5
"Feel comfortable around people" = 4
"Interested in many things" =4
"Love order and regularity" =3
"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" =2
"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" =2
"Cheer people up" =4
"Lose my temper" =4
"Enjoy the beauty of nature" =5
"Enjoy thinking about things" =4
"Cheat to get ahead" =1
"Feel desperate" =2
"Rarely overindulge" =3
"Easily resist temptations" =4
"Have a high opinion of myself" =4
"Waste my time" =3
"Need a push to get started" =2
"Have little to contribute" =2
"Keep my cool" =3
"Avoid crowds" =2
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@grib, and kinda @fire, I find pages and pages of the same people going back and forth just turns in to white noise for me. Im pretty sure I've seen fire do it as both alignments, possibly slightly more as town? But it doesn't stick out for me as telling.
@aisa, sorry, I had you mixed up with another replace in in a similar times newbie who's name started with a. You were town in our game (yes?) And you've recently been town in a game with klick, where I had you as town very early. I do think I read a game you were scum in recently-ish, but I wouldn't swear to it.
@bbt, I was really into this player list and really hope to be actually town with you. I think this is town Ish for frog, but I am aware I'm easily swayed by them as a player.
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@bbt, I find frog to be charismatic without being patronising, plus I can generally follow their thoughts when town: we've played together a fair bit recently, although I actually don't think they've been scum (they might have been scum once, I'm tired). Elemis, I basically haven't liked any posts at all, their reads were weird and justifying their read on me, when I think I'd posted like twice and one was a likert scale, they weren't able to do, just shrug. Like, even saying 'vibes' would've not bothered me as much.In post 250, Aisa wrote:Ah, fair enough. I think I've done before that as both alignments - bigger fights to fight than correcting a true read based on a false premise - but wouldn't blame you for thinking that's scummy and I should probably have corrected it.
Also, I do think aisa is town. Although @aisa, can I have a link to a scum game?- Bellaphant
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Like here: I agree with the first sentence, but there isn't really a depth of thought behind it: I'd be shocked if all if grib/fire/tsq/frog are town, the thread is nearly unreadable. The voting nice feels really self conscious and steps away from the reads in the same sentence, then commits, then goes back to ,'doing it fit the wagon/game'. It isn't the first post that's feltike this from the slotIn post 711, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Yeah gonna be real here, the game's activity is largely dominated by like 3 or 4 people and the vote is scattered. Still personally feeling Frogster right now but like. BBTisup there too. In the interest of running things along, this one shall UNVOTE: FrogsterKing and VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee, and then probably get on Frog's case again unless he stops acting weird.
Shea and BBT's arguments are alot to unravel in terms of where logic begins and personality ends, but the core of the matter is that BBT is just, yeah kinda scummy. So here's to less flopping around like fish and more pushing votes and wagons.- Bellaphant
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In post 735, Aisa wrote:...Why would you sheep BBT's read on Bella if they're your top scumread?
VOTE: Solway Firth
I was about to ask just this!- Bellaphant
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Enchant is another one that I don't really like being a day one wagon .he gets pushed as mis lim bait but also, the things I town read enchant for tend to come later, like mech stuff, but then I've played a lot with them in the open queue. This doesn't feel like town enchant or town nm, honestly.
Eiralox could be scum. #hottake
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@eir, come talk to me, not about me?
I think fire could be town and frog could be scum. I low key think aisa might be town but it's a meta read and not a good one. Grib can be town. In annoyed no one engaged me on hpe. I find the back and forth between grid/tsq/fire/frog/a little bbt soeta unreadable' because it looks like a pissing contest and I never get anything out of them.
So, there's some stuff to get your teeth into
P-edit enchant could well be scum. I don't want nm ans enchant to be scum but I've played with both of them recently and won in a scum team with nm, they could both be doing more- Bellaphant
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You've both focused on the least important bit of that sentence, I don't know if i'm just ridiculously unclear.
I thought its initial take was really surface, that's why I mentioned the scum agenda of making the thread unreadable, that it didn't feel like it had engaged with. My main point was about it's further reads and vote: it felt like it was making two steps toward a read, then walking it back, etc. Do you not get really self conscious vibes from their posts? I can find more in its iso! They don't feel organic to me at all.- Bellaphant
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Random catch up stuff:
I've looked back at hpe and some of the wishy washyness I fel about its reads might be because of its posting style. Im not seeing what I was. I'm not loving the throwing around of votes but again it might be a style thing.
Re: bbt and lost - I was saying that in that game you collected scum reads for some fairly poor reasons, and you were town. A consensus scum read on you is a really easy place for scum to hide. I personally think you get more readable as either alingment the further we go in the game. You played with klick recently as town and he thought you were scum but by mid game I was like 'no, town'.
Re: enchant, nm and eir
I've never read nm as scum when he's town. I'm not getting that here.
Enchant is a slot I wouldn't want to elim today.
Eir I was scum reading because their posts didn't leave an impact on me, but now they've reached out I feel better.- Bellaphant
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Tbf like I have a pool of 'my read changes every time they post ', which does include you, hpe and Eir, (I don't like how's recent posting, you were really pushy about your elims in that scum game, etc) but yeah. I think voting soleay gives us a good shot at some info though, if nothing else.
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I think grib knows the solve is a bit lame? Like I don't massively town read any of those three but that team just screams 'convenient'. I don't think it's sunny for him to suggest it though.
Like, I kinda think there's a scum in the lurker pile, a scum in the big ego posters and a scum in my middle pile. But again, life is never that easy.
@tsq, do you mean the push for solway is a 'lim all lurkers' push generally or just for grib?- Bellaphant
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?? Explain this to me?In post 906, Grib wrote:
There's really nothing convenient about scumreading TSQ. I almost didn't want to post it until Day 2, when we had two flips to work with.In post 903, Bellaphant wrote:I think grib knows the solve is a bit lame? Like I don't massively town read any of those three but that team just screams 'convenient'. I don't think it's sunny for him to suggest it though.
Like, I kinda think there's a scum in the lurker pile, a scum in the big ego posters and a scum in my middle pile. But again, life is never that easy.
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Because you go into my posts just deciding I'm wishy washy: you did it last day phase and then backtracked and then did the same thing now. It's pretty obvious that there's a certain kind of player I really struggle with reading, and we happen to have a fair amount of them in Thai game. People who are actually trying to read me, like eir and honestly bbt, are reading me right.
I am town reading bbt. Pointing the tsq nk at him is like level 0 of a read.
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Fire, I don't know how to say what I'm saying any clearer. I spent day one convinced that there must be fair portion of scum in the group of people I find difficult to read, and I've been really clear who they are and why. It's really frustrating to think that the slots that I really struggle to engage with are the ones I need to. I don't know how to make this clearer.
I thought that town! Any slot would give final reads at an impending hammer. Honestly any decent reads there might have made me reconsider. I don't think this is unusual? I'm also super hesitant to hammer: recently (a game frog and nm and a.few other people) were in I hammered with what looked like consensus and scum tried to use it to mislim me. It's also just totally nai for me, I'm just cautious as a person.
Like I said, your read on me feels 100% personality based. Which is funny (not really) because a lot of my reads were two day one and they were shit.
I might be wrong about bbt, but I have also seen him mis limmed as town a lot recently. I did feel like his engagement with me was genuine, but his lack of content today is worrying. I think Eir is town because of our chat about the game being 'unreadable': I said it, they took exception, they said something actually similar, I explained my actual position and we came to a consensus.- Bellaphant
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My approach, generally, is to find town: I've spoken about this a lot recently, even in the personality test. It's what I'm struggling with here: I think if could just lock town like, you, grib, fire, bbt and Eir that's a lot, but I'm really iffy on you and grib and bbt.In post 1072, Aisa wrote:Thanks for the reply Frog.
I'm not really loving Frog and I think this is kind of an underrated wagon atm, so VOTE: frogsterking.
Does anyone wanna talk to me about Enchant?
@bella, what's your approach towards the game rn? I understand this is a pretty generic question, interpret it as you will
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This isn't a great entry post. Why did you think your one read on TSQ would make a difference? Why would your scum read on TSQ make any more of an impact than mine?In post 992, Grib wrote:Welp, was vaguely hoping the scum read on TSQ would dissuade a shot there. That sucks.
Sure, I don't see him taking any real stances. I have scum read him pretty much from the get go and nothing has changed. Almost all of his posts are like 'Could be this, could be that, no conclusion'. I also found his early town read of your slot weird, and unless I am missing it, he still hasn't explained it. As well as this, I find myself wondering why Fire doesn't have a problem with Eira's posting considering he is accusing Bella of being wishy-washy when I think Bella has been more straight forward with her reads this game than she has previously.In post 993, Aisa wrote:BBT, can you tell me why you think Eira is scum?
Talk about this more?In post 994, Grib wrote: Kind of paranoid that BBT has been buddying her.
This isn't a great post Bella. I don't know if you have on future pages, but if not, could you explain where you're currently at in terms of reads?In post 1003, Bellaphant wrote:Welp, my reads are trash. I didn't want to think all of the people pinging me day one were town but yeah. My reads aren't normally that bad.
Talk about how Grib's reaction gives you a town read?In post 1011, Firebringer wrote:Ill just go with enchant/aisa/grib are townie for reactions/posts after flips.
No need to think hard this early day 2.
Umm, reasons?In post 1014, Grib wrote:However, I do think we might've flubbed it hard by not killing BBT.
VOTE: BBT
I would imagine that there have been a couple of games lately where I have made a read on Bella specifically using meta. Honestly though, I really can't be bothered to go trolling through all my recent posts to find it.In post 1015, Grib wrote:Actually, I'll try an experiment.
BBT, would you be able to link your most recent towngame where you gave a read that was mostly, if not entirely, based on meta? Bonus points if someone scumread you for it. Extra bonus points if that someone was scum.
You just named half the playerlist, Bella.In post 1017, Bellaphant wrote:there was deffo scum inElements/ hpe/tsq/frog/n_m/maybe fire.
I want to look again ateir, who was another slot I wavered on.
Let's vote Eira?
Reasons?In post 1021, Elements wrote:VOTE: BBT
This is scum and I don't think anyone can convince me otherwise
I quite like this post. Have a more general response: I know that's half the player list, I was also fairly wrong. Of your scum reads, eir is town, I think one of frog or grib is scum but not both, Ans I scum read elements day one and feel like I should just go back to that.In post 1084, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm reasonably confident that scum are in Eira/Frog/Grib/Elements. I can't say I am confident in Enchant being town but they feel town and I don't have a clue how to read NM.
Fire, Aisa and Bella are reasonably strong town reads, in that order.
I am less convinced on nm and enchant and again, think it's unlikely that both are scum but one could be.
Talk to me about this?In post 1118, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Elements, wanna vote Frog?
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I spoke about eira recently: I can't see the scum motivation in their approach to me, specifically about when I said the 'game was unreadable'.
I think fire is town for similar reasons .I don't think three town are voting me right now, when two haven't engaged with me at all.
You repeating your statement is just massively unhelpful and I think you know that. Please, talk to me about aisa removed from Eir: one town post in her iso, even.- Bellaphant
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This is fair. Tbf the thing I haven't made as clear as I thought was that bbt was always 'town enough ', rather than some lock town soul read and it was more the push on him that looked scumny, which made me more likely to think that he was town. I'd just been in the lost game, where he was a universal scum read for not great reasons and I was one of the scum team.In post 1155, Firebringer wrote:
can we revisit ur townreads from say day 1. Like how did u get BBT town from ur interactions. I had skimmed it and like BBT basically never talked to u. One or two mentions and it wasn't some discussion i would say indicates anything to anyone.In post 1121, Bellaphant wrote:My approach, generally, is to find town: I've spoken about this a lot recently, even in the personality test. It's what I'm struggling with here: I think if could just lock town like, you, grib, fire, bbt and Eir that's a lot, but I'm really iffy on you and grib and bbt.
So lets talk about it
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Are you going to engage me at all?In post 1180, Elements wrote:I like Bella for scum too
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You reframe things in such a scummy way.In post 1266, Firebringer wrote:not voting you right now, and why would i think its bad now besides no one is voting it.
and elements is town. stop trying to open that as a possibility.
Really, someone tell me why they are tr-ing elements?
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Have you looked at any of my other games before, elements?In post 1300, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:VC 2.07
With 10 players, it takes 6 to make a decision. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-27 11:00:00).
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My brain has this really unhelpful habit in mafia of grouping people: I can link to other places I've done it as town, and it tends to think very much in relationships and bad logic: there's statistically not three scum in all the top three posters, these two slots that have weird takes on the vc both aren't scum, etc.In post 1203, Aisa wrote:
This caught my eye when I reread, because it didn’t really match my perception of the game at the time. I’m struggling to explain exactly why, because when I think back I also had doubts on players of all activity levels.In post 903, Bellaphant wrote:I think grib knows the solve is a bit lame? Like I don't massively town read any of those three but that team just screams 'convenient'. I don't think it's sunny for him to suggest it though.
Like, I kinda think there's a scum in the lurker pile, a scum in the big ego posters and a scum in my middle pile. But again, life is never that easy.
@tsq, do you mean the push for solway is a 'lim all lurkers' push generally or just for grib?
Anyway, tell me a bit more about that? Tell me what parts of Day 2 have been town/scum driven? Who’s your top scum read?
Here, specifically I was talking a bit about the 'big noiae' players day one: fire, grib, frog, tsq and bbt a bit. I still don't tien read frog at all: as I said, his wagon doesn't clesr him, it actually makes me feel that my other counter wagon was Really scum driven. I was happy with fire being town by the middle of yesterday: that leaves I think Enchant, nm Ans elements are having voted me as unknowns.
The middle players are you, eira, maybe elements: again, I'm 100% eir Is town, I think bbts stance on you and Eir helps clear you, then there's elements.
Neither nm or enchant are playing how I've seen as town.
Basically my reads are
Eira
You and grib. ( The connection part of my brain worries I'm wrong on one of you, because both of you are town by vibe)
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In post 941, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:VC 1.16
With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-18 11:30:00).
This feels like it should be significant?
Town wagon ???st
Scum wagon ?(t)TT?
Unknown T??
P-edit cools. Is it worth thinking about mass claim at all? Even the process would help me sort enchant- Bellaphant
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Are you actually town?In post 1414, Elements wrote:Not_Mafia
Has vote for: Me (biggest wagon), Aisa (making it the biggest wagon), Bella (weren't really any wagons at the time), Frog (biggest wagon)
The only biggest wagon NM didn't voted for was BBT. Both day 1 and day 2.
Conclusion: NM fits with BBT as scum
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In post 1177, Bellaphant wrote:
This is fair. Tbf the thing I haven't made as clear as I thought was that bbt was always 'town enough ', rather than some lock town soul read and it was more the push on him that looked scumny, which made me more likely to think that he was town. I'd just been in the lost game, where he was a universal scum read for not great reasons and I was one of the scum team.In post 1155, Firebringer wrote:
can we revisit ur townreads from say day 1. Like how did u get BBT town from ur interactions. I had skimmed it and like BBT basically never talked to u. One or two mentions and it wasn't some discussion i would say indicates anything to anyone.In post 1121, Bellaphant wrote:My approach, generally, is to find town: I've spoken about this a lot recently, even in the personality test. It's what I'm struggling with here: I think if could just lock town like, you, grib, fire, bbt and Eir that's a lot, but I'm really iffy on you and grib and bbt.
So lets talk about it
I don't wanna talk about bbt any more, it's giving aisa silly ideas.
I think I was really clear that I never had a lock town town read on bbt - also, someone just asked if I was tr-ing fire end of day and yes, here.In post 1265, Bellaphant wrote:Gun to my head this is t v t. Pls can you both conaoldiate on a scum wagon? Fire, you should know your vote on me is bad by now.
If the final wagons are bbt v frog then we should do frog.
Why is anyone town reading elements?
I don't know what to make of elements at all. The enrgerg is massively different suddenly
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