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Post Post #1 (isolation #0) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:03 pm

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Post Post #16 (isolation #1) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:10 pm

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Post Post #24 (isolation #2) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:17 pm

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I guess we need one more for the hammer
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Post Post #27 (isolation #3) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:18 pm

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In post 25, Save The Dragons wrote:if you roleblock yourself, does it succeed?

this is a philosophical question not related to this setup
IMO yes

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Post Post #28 (isolation #4) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:18 pm

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In post 26, Ircher wrote:Maybe RH9 will join
Yeah!
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Post Post #46 (isolation #5) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:28 pm

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In post 41, Cook wrote:
this will be a bit of a slower-paced game
:mrgreen: :shifty: Uh oh Adante don't hurt me :mrgreen: :shifty:
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Post Post #71 (isolation #8) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:42 pm

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k so consciousness of guilt and lack of presence in the game thread seem like good tells
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Post Post #106 (isolation #9) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:47 pm

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VOTE: dragons

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Post Post #109 (isolation #10) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:48 pm

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In post 105, Ircher wrote:why would we no lim.

We should lim Frogster since we won't get a cop result there any time soon.
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Post Post #121 (isolation #11) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:50 pm

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guys follow me dragons changed between games
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Post Post #136 (isolation #12) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:53 pm

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In post 114, Cephrir wrote:
In post 105, Ircher wrote:why would we no lim.

We should lim Frogster since we won't get a cop result there any time soon.
wait, why frogster? he's the night 3 target. this is a weird person to pick for this post
i saw this too and right now im thinking bad ideas doesnt mean it's a scum tell
In post 115, Who wrote:I vote we mass-claim.
im down to try and solve the game mechanically if there is an idea for how we are going to go about that
In post 121, Frogsterking wrote:guys follow me dragons changed between games
dragons has consciousness of guilt IMO you can see they changed from the last game to here
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Post Post #144 (isolation #13) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:55 pm

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i have another scum read now im going to wait a few minutes to see who they push before i out it
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Post Post #148 (isolation #14) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:56 pm

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In post 119, Andante wrote:
In post 114, Cephrir wrote:
In post 105, Ircher wrote:why would we no lim.

We should lim Frogster since we won't get a cop result there any time soon.
wait, why frogster? he's the night 3 target. this is a weird person to pick for this post
exactly why I'm voting ircher lol
this is sort of like not really what im looking to see because it looks like an excuse to FoS someone rather than getting a read on what they're about
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Post Post #154 (isolation #15) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:59 pm

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@who and @cephrir


what would it require for you guys to come to some kind of solve mechanically since it seems like that's the direction you're going
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Post Post #156 (isolation #16) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:59 pm

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In post 150, Cephrir wrote:i checked, ircher is definitely hammered
In post 153, Andante wrote:cook didn't expect us to hammer so fast lol
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Post Post #161 (isolation #17) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:01 pm

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cakez and dragons are my solve
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Post Post #164 (isolation #18) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:02 pm

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cakes and dragons if ircher flips town
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Post Post #174 (isolation #19) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:11 pm

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VOTE: cakez

iso and wagon are bad

dragons is still my choice for partner
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Post Post #183 (isolation #20) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:13 pm

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In post 171, Who wrote:Cephrir is town.
kinda yeah
In post 170, Save The Dragons wrote:VOTE: sircakez

this is mafia
In post 174, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: cakez

iso and wagon are bad

dragons is still my choice for partner
im not sure what to make of this here
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Post Post #188 (isolation #21) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:14 pm

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In post 175, Andante wrote:went no where?
In post 176, Cephrir wrote:i don't think that makes him mafia
im scum reading based on day play alone
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Post Post #199 (isolation #22) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:16 pm

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cough cough i am inclined to believe Who's declaration that cephrir is town
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Post Post #206 (isolation #23) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:17 pm

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no elim is really bad adante

UNVOTE: cakez

let's slow down a little bit we have time.

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Post Post #225 (isolation #24) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:21 pm

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In post 211, Who wrote:
In post 206, Frogsterking wrote:no elim is really bad adante

UNVOTE: cakez

let's slow down a little bit we have time.

Who do you still think a massclaim is best?
Yes. Negligible downside, potentially massive upside.
okay whatever I'm doc I saved Who last night i was trying to breadcrumb in and . I'm on dragons tonight.
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In post 225, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 211, Who wrote:
In post 206, Frogsterking wrote:no elim is really bad adante

UNVOTE: cakez

let's slow down a little bit we have time.

Who do you still think a massclaim is best?
Yes. Negligible downside, potentially massive upside.
okay whatever I'm doc I saved Who last night i was trying to breadcrumb in and . I'm on dragons tonight.
In post 226, SirCakez wrote:Wait it has to be frogster right
In post 229, SirCakez wrote:Ohhhh
nah its a reaction test Cakez is town they're trying to solve
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VOTE: dragons

dragons is lying by the way they weren't on cakez because im also a town role blocker and i was on dragons last night.
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In post 257, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: dragons

dragons is lying by the way they weren't on cakez because im also a town role blocker and i was on dragons last night.
i was just slowrolling because i wanted to sort cakez too
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In post 252, Save The Dragons wrote:VOTE: andante
In post 258, Save The Dragons wrote:VOTE: no lim
it could be like andante and dragons here.

but FMPOV dragons is scum
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Post Post #277 (isolation #29) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:30 pm

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In post 262, Cephrir wrote:
In post 257, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: dragons

dragons is lying by the way they weren't on cakez because im also a town role blocker and i was on dragons last night.
uh

im also a town roleblocker and i was on you last night, which may explain this, except that requires 3 random towns, so actually you or std is scum
okay im pretty sure it's still dragons because if you were the fake claim in our trio you dont counterclaim like this
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In post 275, Cephrir wrote:
In post 272, SirCakez wrote:We can lim Ceph and if he's town i bomb frog
i think you mean std here, not me
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Post Post #285 (isolation #31) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:31 pm

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In post 279, Cook wrote:no lim (2): andante, std
andante (1): cakez,
STD (1): frog
im voting dragons
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Post Post #305 (isolation #32) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:35 pm

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lol okay
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Post Post #313 (isolation #33) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:35 pm

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goodnight andante, it was fun playing secret hitler with you earlier
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Post Post #317 (isolation #34) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:36 pm

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In post 310, SirCakez wrote:I'll bomb frog tonight it's over
not if i bomb you first
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In post 316, Cephrir wrote:good night friend thanks for playing sorry about the scum pm
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VOTE: andante scum slip i saw it first
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Post Post #327 (isolation #37) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:38 pm

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In post 323, Save The Dragons wrote:you know frogs might be town

who could be lying about his cop claim
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Post Post #331 (isolation #38) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:39 pm

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In post 329, Save The Dragons wrote:that was a joke who can't be lying about his cop claim because that would mean you two were scum with andante
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Post Post #339 (isolation #39) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:58 pm

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Post Post #346 (isolation #40) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:03 pm

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Night 1
Ceph blocks Frog
Cakez explodes Frog

Night 2
Ceph no-acts
Cakez bombs Frog

Wow thanks for the help guys!
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Post Post #351 (isolation #41) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:06 pm

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In post 349, Who wrote:Wait, cakez tried to explode n1? Very much the wrong move, could have cost us the game.
The choice was rash yet the aim was true.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #42) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:09 pm

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In post 353, SirCakez wrote:I didn't mean to submit an action night 1 lol I got on a call with a friend and totally got distracted and didn't come back in time
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Post Post #356 (isolation #43) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:15 pm

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Maybe make it anonymous, slightly faster, and submit an 18 entry long list at the beginning and run three games back to back with the same group using their original list.
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Post Post #365 (isolation #44) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:33 pm

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In post 358, Who wrote:What do you mean by anonymous? Everyone uses anonymous alts? That doesn't seem like it will do much. Faster only prevents it from being broken during the game, it doesn't save the setup from breaking. Three games back to back seems fun but won't protect from breaking.
i didn't know if there is a setting to make it anonymous.

I guess one way to help mitigate breaking which gives players agency and is in the spirit of the setup is to go in the opposite direction of the above suggestions, and give both alignments an additional set of either / or PRs that swap the target of target players. I've heard the roles called different things like Driver, not sure what they're called here. Then players can decide if executing their night action is going to help them or not based on what appears to be happening.

The idea of the slightly faster time to allow three games back to back is to balance the setup in a high skill high luck way, so some playthroughs will be broken and others won't, and you'll get multiple playthroughs.
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Post Post #367 (isolation #45) » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:51 pm

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In post 366, Who wrote:Adding redirection risks things getting to chaotic but is promising. Bus driver has the issue of needing two targets which would introduce unnecessary complexity, but a role which shifts the target’s target list one night forwards seems good for scum. For town, those roles are generally negative utility, but a beam splitter would be handy.
Yeah I feel it. Maybe even some negative utility is warranted for town here?
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