Predestination [7/7] [GAME OVER!]

[Who]

This is happening?
/in

[Who]

If the goon targets the roleblocker, does it go through?

[Who]

Oh right misread that part.

[Who]

If you're maf with me... I'm sorry but we aint killing lol

Nah it's fine, you're the roleblocker I'm the goon.

[Who]

Provided you don't roleblock me every night I'll murder them all one by one.

[Who]

Do we need to confirm or do we start now?

[Who]

ok so i want to put it out there that theres a chance this might be broken by claiming actions? after some thought i think it's not broken but i wanted to put that out there for the mechanically inclined people to think about

I agree it seems breakable, I'm not sure if it's breakable by only claiming actions, but claiming actions plus follow the cop if there is one seems promising.

i already forgot my actions

You can still go back to the PM.

[Who]

Or okay there's not even any danger to claiming PRs because the mafia have already submitted their kills.

[Who]

what do we think about having any cops claim now? i can't see much harm in it

As a cop I agree with this.

[Who]

My investigation targets are set to Cephrir Cakez Frogsterking Ircher STD Andante in that order.

[Who]

pls stop voting the cop claim

I did.

[Who]

Is no-lynch a possibility?

[Who]

we don't say lynch anymore, please say elim or lim or something else

Sorry, haven't played much since the rule change and said what I was used to, I'll try to be more careful in the future.

[Who]

My investigation targets are set to Cephrir Cakez Frogsterking Ircher STD Andante in that order.

why would we no lim.

We should lim Frogster since we won't get a cop result there any time soon.

If we're limming based on when we get cop results we should just do it in reverse order to the list so Andante first.

[Who]

I vote we mass-claim.

[Who]

i think we could potentially allow ourselves to have reads to and like, confine our elim to the last 3 or something today

Seems like a good plan.

[Who]

it doesn't matter which

It does though? Kill is very different to block.

[Who]

Kills are verifiable.

[Who]

It's far more worth the risk to us to trust that you're about to kill someone than to trust that you're about to block someone.

[Who]

@who and @cephrir

what would it require for you guys to come to some kind of solve mechanically since it seems like that's the direction you're going

I think we're going to end up in a situation where it may or may not be solvable based on what's already been submitted. Let me check the possible endings.

[Who]

Cephrir is town.

[Who]

Was there a town doc/RB?

[Who]

Sorry I fucked up I'm back
I'm not mafia I'm the exploder

What's your target list?

[Who]

cough cough i am inclined to believe Who's declaration that cephrir is town

it's an investigation result

[Who]

no elim is really bad adante

UNVOTE: cakez

let's slow down a little bit we have time.

Who do you still think a massclaim is best?

Yes. Negligible downside, potentially massive upside.

[Who]

I haven't fully calculated all the possibilities, there are too many without a massclaim.

[Who]

We have clear on Ceph no?

We do.

[Who]

I'm not claiming. I visit myself every night aka no one. essentially a vt

if you actually put down yourself every night, all not claiming does is deprive us of valuable info

I'm a random town. I put myself down every night for lols. yes. it's not as funny as I thought it would be

Okay but what role were you assigned?

[Who]

i still find it very difficult to justify a lim today.

Agreed, but I want more info before ending the day. Also if I were looking at this from any angle other than winning with mechanics I'd be very tempted to push a lim on Andante.

[Who]

I'm not claiming. I visit myself every night aka no one. essentially a vt

if you actually put down yourself every night, all not claiming does is deprive us of valuable info

I'm a random town. I put myself down every night for lols. yes. it's not as funny as I thought it would be

can you tell us if you are (vig or exploder) or (anything else besides that)

that's the only way it can matter, since if there are no other vig claims cakez is clear

@andante

I'm not vig no

What are you?

[Who]

nolim is correct V:

Agreed.

[Who]

Cephrir have you claimed?

[Who]

Andante really needs to claim.

[Who]

We can lim Ceph and if he's town i bomb frog

CEPH IS TOWN.

[Who]

It could theoretically be STD who just happened to come up with the right info, but yeah it seems to be most likely frog/andante.

[Who]

Are you too tired to claim your role?

[Who]

nah not claiming

Intent to hammer if you don't.

[Who]

I think she means she's scum and she knows we've solved it.
VOTE: Andante

[Who]

ah yeah I'm a doctor! saved cakez last night

Vig/sploder would have been the best fakeclaim.

[Who]

ok so that is 4 doc/roleblockers

that's a lot

Also a cop and a tracker.

[Who]

I think she's been hammered several times over.

[Who]

gg. That could have gone very wrong had STD been scum, though claiming tracker and a verified result would have been an incredibly bold move.

[Who]

Thanks for modding! I think cop is too powerful. It's powerful enough in regular mafia but in this where the mafia can't target a claimed cop in response to the claim it's kind of insane.

[Who]

Okay that also could have gone very wrong had ceph not targeted frog.

[Who]

Also limming Ircher was a bad move.

[Who]

Wait, cakez tried to explode n1? Very much the wrong move, could have cost us the game.

[Who]

We just got lucky

The only reason we needed luck was because you limmed ircher then tried to blow someone up.

[Who]

Wait, cakez tried to explode n1? Very much the wrong move, could have cost us the game.

The choice was rash yet the aim was true.

Yes, but like, if he hit town the game would have been lost immediately, if he didn't shoot we had a very favorable position.

[Who]

Thanks for modding! I think cop is too powerful. It's powerful enough in regular mafia but in this where the mafia can't target a claimed cop in response to the claim it's kind of insane.

yeah my first thought for altering this would be letting the mafia kill whoever they want

That seems a bit too strong and also against the spirit of it. Perhaps give everyone a one-shot free night? Or it ends so quickly that that would also be against the spirit of it.

I didn't mean to submit an action night 1 lol I got on a call with a friend and totally got distracted and didn't come back in time

You intended to not act and then you didn't act, causation be damned.

[Who]

What do you mean by anonymous? Everyone uses anonymous alts? That doesn't seem like it will do much. Faster only prevents it from being broken during the game, it doesn't save the setup from breaking. Three games back to back seems fun but won't protect from breaking.

[Who]

That would be a good check on blindly following the cop, but after thinking more about it I think there might just be too much town power in general, and also too much openness.

[Who]

If the random towns are in the same class and the mafia claim that class you get two ICs d1 before any night actions.

[Who]

Actually that’s easy the mafia just claim different classes to each other, Andante wasn’t trying when she claimed the same class as frog.

[Who]

But being a PR is fun though.

[Who]

Adding redirection risks things getting to chaotic but is promising. Bus driver has the issue of needing two targets which would introduce unnecessary complexity, but a role which shifts the target’s target list one night forwards seems good for scum. For town, those roles are generally negative utility, but a beam splitter would be handy.

[Who]

But negative utility roles will just either not get used or only be used by trolls. Better to give the negative town utility to scum.