secret hitler II [7/7] (fascist victory!)

[petapan]

/in

[petapan]

thank fuck i'm a liberal this time

[petapan]

pick me i'm town

pick me I'm more town!!!

i believe both of you

[petapan]

Why there's just 6 liberal cards, it's literally unwinnable

Also i pick... Umm.. Hmmm

I PICK PETAPAN

you'll see how it works

[petapan]

no idea why he picked me but meh

[petapan]

The reason to reject it is that this setup is balanced against liberal, and this is not the mechanically optimal way to play for liberal.

meh fine

[petapan]

i don't think he knew what he was doing so it's not really AI but i'll nein on principle for the numbers

[petapan]

also who is the fashiest so far and hes supporting it so hrm

[petapan]

well that worked out anyway

who why did you vote nein

[petapan]

Nominate Who

that is fine i guess

[petapan]

andante is not as towny as last time

[petapan]

apparently there's a liberal strategy of going 1 - 4 2 - 5 and skipping 3 or something

yeah. now actually 2 needs to go into 7, not 5. So terms can reset if they both play lib and we can keep alternating.

oh that would have been useful to know uhh...sooner

[petapan]

well at least we're not worrying about the order now

[petapan]

i guess i'll do the pooky thing and open up my spreadsheet now

[petapan]

i think frog might be fasc

this is ~exactly how he was last game

[petapan]

i think frog might be fasc

this is ~exactly how he was last game

nothing about going in a specific strategy is AI

that was what i tried to use against him last time lol

what about him is suspect this game

[petapan]

that's dangerous if who and i are both liberal tho

if theres a fascist policy passed in between we just gotta put on our thinking caps

[petapan]

claims as they stand now

[petapan]

oh thats kinda not ideal

[petapan]

cook what cards did you get

[petapan]

3F twice in a row is incredibly improbable fwiw

[petapan]

i really shouldnt have let the strategy override cook being uh...

[petapan]

who do i investigate

one of std/who/frog then since andante is confirmed fascist to you

[petapan]

i don't know how to track this on the spreadsheet lol this is a problem

[petapan]

well cook is locked into a world so that's nice

i low-key don't trust it though

[petapan]

cook just to be sure, you drew 2F 1L, yeah?

[petapan]

Okay, now cook is confirmed fash to me.

this as a reaction is kinda lol though

[petapan]

Okay we can try freezing 5 out then and giving 2 another shot at the cards when 6 is pres. so the pairs would be 1 -4 and 2- 6 unless one of us plays a fasc.

i think that works for now, becomes obvious if cook is lying

[petapan]

actually it would be terribly funny if it's both cook and who

[petapan]

Do you choose me because i am likeble or because it's plan

you and i are the only ones who passed a liberal policy so far lol

[petapan]

okay so cook/who/andante all voting ja on that is super troubling because its confirmed no matter what fascists wanted that

[petapan]

okay so cook/who/andante all voting ja on that is super troubling because its confirmed no matter what fascists wanted that

how is it troubling??? I was told cook and Who were the ones to ignore... NOT FROGS OR ENCHANT

i'm not accusing you, specifically


look at the votes


EVERYONE voted ja

including someone who is a confirmed fascist fypov

[petapan]

okay so cook/who/andante all voting ja on that is super troubling because its confirmed no matter what fascists wanted that

how is it troubling??? I was told cook and Who were the ones to ignore... NOT FROGS OR ENCHANT

^

And I voted ja before I caught frogs' scumslip.

what was the slip

[petapan]

fwiw if all claims were true it would be 4L 1F left in the deck

[petapan]

which i doubt is the case

[petapan]

reminder we have a conf fasc picking the next president

I'm not conf fasc?

Why are both sides of the 50 50 pushing me now? One of Cook or Who are a dumb liberal

lol what the hell is going on

[petapan]

And peta's hitler.

lol ok

[petapan]

If I were fasc I wouldnt have made andante pres

One of Who or Cook is a confused liberal because they're both pushing me

the fact that both are means youre more likely good

[petapan]

voting results

the government of president

andante

and chancellor

save the dragons

PASSES!

JA (4/7)

1. save the dragons
   
2. petapan
   
3. who
   
4. andante

NEIN (3/7)

1. enchant
   
2. cook
   
3. frogsterking

election tracker: 0/3

is that game

[petapan]

ummm someone was lying on cards, I got 2 fasc 1 lib

yeah unsurprising

even if we assume cook tossed a liberal, it means oneof std/enchant/frogs is lying

std just passed a liberal policy and has generally been towny so its probably frogs

[petapan]

Is there a limit on how many times in a row someone can be chancellor? Can we just keep making STD chancellor to guaranteed avoid chancellor hitler?

yeah if you were part of the last government you're term limited

[petapan]

Is there a limit on how many times in a row someone can be chancellor? Can we just keep making STD chancellor to guaranteed avoid chancellor hitler?

yes dude it is term locked that's why i keep posting about the mechs. Now 6 can go into 1 , which resets andante, so they can go back into 2

i don't trust enchant

[petapan]

Is there a limit on how many times in a row someone can be chancellor? Can we just keep making STD chancellor to guaranteed avoid chancellor hitler?

yes dude it is term locked that's why i keep posting about the mechs. Now 6 can go into 1 , which resets andante, so they can go back into 2

i don't trust enchant

the fuck how do you not trust enchant? she is one of the only players to successfully pass a lib

was voting against the government yesterday and atp kinda think it's you and cook

[petapan]

Who, it doesn't matter who you nom, it's gonna be a nein

you realize that we have to vote someone in, right? unless you think cook was bussing for some reason?

[petapan]

Peta's literally hitler.

do you actually think frogs would be so blatant

[petapan]

who thinks peta is game ending hitler tho

who, apparently *shrug*

[petapan]

oh i'm dumb lmao

[petapan]

Enchant is probably good, but I trust you and STD way more.

well the problem with that is you have to nominate someone

[petapan]

who thinks i'm hitler he's not going to do it

[petapan]

if peta is hitler we're gonna lose anyways, but peta has been pretty towny, I think I trust him

i have actually been trying to make social reads unlike last game where i was basically a dead fish and rode the mechs

[petapan]

you can nominate enchant if you want but atp i'm neining a gov that does not include me

[petapan]

don't do peta, do enchant

lol wifoming

[petapan]

IF PETA IS HITLER HE CAN'T WIN BY JUST BEING PRESIDENT AND WILL ENFORCE LIBERAL LAW TO NOT GET DIRTY.

LET HIM.

If he passes a fascist law he gets to shoot a liberal making it 3/3, and the fascists win.

YOU ARE THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE YOU HOSER

[petapan]

jesus christ just nominate enchant like we all know you're going to

[petapan]

If we pass a fascist law I shoot cook.

i thought i was hitler fypov?

[petapan]

this is super fucky and now i'm considering if who/cook were bussing each other

[petapan]

this is so dumb cause the liberal in Who Cook Frogs Enchant is like not making themself obvious at all

its like pulling teeth

[petapan]

and now watch as who shoots someone who isn't cook

[petapan]

okay well that's one tinfoil crossed off at least

i'm going to nominate STD but for the record i think you should pass and let andante + STD in again as that's the closest to clear

[petapan]

nominate save the dragons

[petapan]

just send andante and STD in

[petapan]

who is being seriously sketchy

[petapan]

what the fuck

[petapan]

you should probably shoot frogs

[petapan]

i think it's frog too but everyone is saying it which makes me worry

the way he was acting last stage is basically outing

[petapan]

maybe it is peta lol

yes i agree the large font in all capitals is a very convincing case

[petapan]

well.. Dragons, Peta... we good with shooting frog?

yes he's openwolfing

[petapan]

kind of concerned it was a big brain play from cook given how totally lethargic who's response to the guilty was

[petapan]

in all likelihood one of those two is hitler

[petapan]

so nein it

[petapan]

missed that there was a new page

[petapan]

hitler doesnt know who his teammates are

[petapan]

who was forced to kill cook or itd be outing but has voted reapeatedly to advance fascist wincon under the guise of big brains plays and was supported heavily by frogs

[petapan]

nom enchant over who

[petapan]

if im wrong and enchant is hitler blame me

[petapan]

Is STD now term limited?

it doesnt matter when hes president

[petapan]

i'm worried it's in enchant or peta

i think the way who has been acting has been absurdly sketch

[petapan]

this is worlds apart from how i played as fascist

[petapan]

idk

i still think on play who has been sketch but it is true he didnt need to shoot enchant there

[petapan]

but dudes been gung ho on me being hitler for like 10 pages with no actual evaluation on it

[petapan]

well i was being dumb

prob just game then

[petapan]

enchant literally hitler lolol

[petapan]

yeah that's fine

[petapan]

I discarded 1 fasc and passed 2 libs.

Okay, if we continuously make our government out of {STD, Who, Andante} we win barring a shitload of fascist cards in a row.

you can just veto

[petapan]

nominate std

[petapan]

i know im good but obv the strat is voting nein

[petapan]

lol is it really coming down to the luck of the draw, jesus

[petapan]

voting results

the government of president

andante

and chancellor

save the dragons

PASSES!

JA (4/5)

1. petapan
   
2. andante
   
3. save the dragons
   
4. who

NEIN (1/5)

1. enchant

election tracker: 1/3

super obvious enchant is hitty so you have to nein this

[petapan]

what's even left in the deck? cause I got 3F twice with this 8F deck

its 2:6 which means that is 2:3 left

[petapan]

No chances for me to persuade you otherwise?

I kinda just desbielieved that all fascists dead.

andante and std are both obviously liberals

[petapan]

we just have to believe in the heart of the cards

[petapan]

what's even left in the deck? cause I got 3F twice with this 8F deck

its 2:6 which means that is 2:3 left

Wait it was 2:6? Okay that's BS if we lose.

starting cards are 6:11, we passed 4L 5F, so yeah

slightly under a 36% chance of a 3F draw after a shuffle

[petapan]

we have a 40% chance to win on flipping the top card of the deck

[petapan]

i dont think enchant has even realized i should be confirmed hitler from his pov

[petapan]

nein it obv

[petapan]

ooh I'm tempted to not nein...

DO NOT THROW AGAIN BECAUSE YOU ARE BORED

IN A TROLL DAYVIG GAME IS ONE THING

DO NOT THROW THE GAME WEVE BEEN PLAYING FOR 3 HOURS

[petapan]

Chances of 1 liberal policy in 1 card is higher than chances of 2 liberal policies in 3 cards.

yeah it's only 30%

[petapan]

it was only shuffled before the governmet that got 3 Fs

[petapan]

like it literally can't only have 3 cards left that's not how the numbers work, there's 17 cards

[petapan]

those are I think the 3 most recent turns...

so I think we pass enchant with me...

YOUR MATH IS WRONG

[petapan]

LIBERAL!

Game State

table order

1. enchant
   
2. save the dragons
   
3. cook
   RIP
   
4. frogsterking
   RIP
   
5. who
   
6. petapan
   
7. andante

liberal policy tracker [4/5]: [#][#][#][#][!]

fascist policy tracker [5/6]: [#][#][#][#][#][!]

exectutive actions with 7 players are

[

no power

][

investigate loyalty

][

call special election

][

execution

][

execution+veto powers unlocked

][fascists win]

election tracker [0/3]: [

*

][ ][ ][

!

]

cards in policy deck: 0

cards in policy deck when last shuffled:

4 liberal

and

8 fascist

the deck is being reshuffled.

petapan is the next presidential candidate.

deadline: xx:00

veto power has been used.

enchant is the presidential candidate.

election tracker: 2/3

[petapan]

okay look at that

when it was shuffled, 4 liberal policies and 5 fascist policies had been passed

that means the deck is 2L 6F


which means when you came up it was 3F, and now there are 2L 3F left

like how do you magically think 3F just vanished? the number of cards left in the deck is always a multiple of 3, minus 1

[petapan]

also I'm thinking peta is hitler now lol

dec is 8F 4 L

Dragons, Who, I think we pass this.. I really do

i am literally arguing exact mathematics here

is math hitlery

[petapan]

No this still works!! it was reshuffled, then 3 rounds of dragons and I

YOU ARE INSANE

THERE WAS ONLY ONE ROUND

[petapan]

this is kind of suilly because its actually only a 10% swing as to whether we win or lose

but look at it this way

if we nein this gov: 2/5 chance of a liberal card flip, 40%

if we ja it: there are 10 possible card draws. we only in if enchant gets a combo with 2L's. There are 3 combinations of 2Ls and 1 of he Fs. that is a 30% chance

[petapan]

i can go over the math in more detail

[petapan]

yeah.. well deck is 100% 4-5 right now

it's not 4-5

cards are taken out when they get passed

there can only be 2 liberal cards left in because the others got played

[petapan]

peta, what are you thinking here then.. ja or nein

i laid out the math for why nein is optimal fmpov since i know enchant is hitler

[petapan]

Okay done all the calculations:
If Peta is hitler and we vote Ja: Guaranteed win. (Even if 3 fascists, veto into guaranteed lib)
If Nein: 2/5 chance of win.
If Enchant is hitler and we vote Ja: 3/10 chance of win.

that is correct

[petapan]

Okay done all the calculations:
If Peta is hitler and we vote Ja: Guaranteed win. (Even if 3 fascists, veto into guaranteed lib)
If Nein: 2/5 chance of win.
If Enchant is hitler and we vote Ja: 3/10 chance of win.

enchant isn't even pretending to not be hitler

that is also correct

[petapan]

it actually sucks that enchant has the best chance of winning after all that lmao

[petapan]

[petapan]

pretty raw deal at the end there, i definitely think the liberals played better, hit a 21% chance that there were 4 fascist cards in a row there

[petapan]

GG, Thanks for modding!

awww if we took the gamble on Enchant...

gg yall!!! Thanks Datisi for hosting!!

If I'd just shot hitler when I had the chance.

was a pretty sick read on your part