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Post Post #2 (isolation #0) » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:21 am

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kek

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Post Post #12 (isolation #1) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:46 am

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Is for me?
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Post Post #13 (isolation #2) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:48 am

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Who is let's ride
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Post Post #33 (isolation #3) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:04 am

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Hi

I'm am liberalism

Pls no paranoia
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Post Post #38 (isolation #4) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:06 am

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Post Post #44 (isolation #5) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:08 am

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They're just Biden their time
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Post Post #48 (isolation #6) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:09 am

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Dwlee: how to change chance nom
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Post Post #54 (isolation #7) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:10 am

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In post 52, petapan wrote:someone give me a useful reaction
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Post Post #59 (isolation #8) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:12 am

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I'm picking pooky because if he's fascist he outs fascist so I'll have an easy time in a conflict despite general paranoia vs me

pick: pooky
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Post Post #60 (isolation #9) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:12 am

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Post Post #72 (isolation #10) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:15 am

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I know all the probabilities in this game so if you are curious about a probability on something just ask

The odds dwlee is a lying scumbag is not 33% no matter how you look at it
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Post Post #76 (isolation #11) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:15 am

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And you also should consider Bayesian logic like what are the odds dwlee passes rrb if he has two blues as reg f
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Post Post #79 (isolation #12) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:16 am

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They * sorry
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Post Post #87 (isolation #13) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:18 am

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In post 78, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:wouldnt that involve knowing how dwlee plays as fasc
In post 50, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 48, RadiantCowbells wrote:Dwlee: how to change chance nom
this did cross my mind...
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Post Post #90 (isolation #14) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:19 am

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Ok so what I was gonna say was

The implication that dwlee 100% drops a blue as fascist is semi incoherent
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Post Post #96 (isolation #15) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:19 am

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thats tilting
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Post Post #98 (isolation #16) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:19 am

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In post 93, skitter30 wrote:I'm a little sus of rc tbh

And o was gonna say that i actually liked dwlee snap-nomming
I'm sus of you
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Post Post #106 (isolation #17) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:20 am

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I'll ja for reasons
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Post Post #116 (isolation #18) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:23 am

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I want peta to have a gov as president
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Post Post #119 (isolation #19) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:24 am

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The odds that me andante dwlee are all lib is fairly small atp btw
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Post Post #122 (isolation #20) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:24 am

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I'll just conflict skitter she's obvious fascist this game

Keep us both out of government and you have 2 fascists and 3 liberals in 5
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Post Post #127 (isolation #21) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:24 am

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Ok Peta

If you're lib and I'm lib GL winning
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Post Post #130 (isolation #22) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:25 am

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In post 125, Enchant wrote:
In post 122, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'll just conflict skitter she's obvious fascist this game

Keep us both out of government and you have 2 fascists and 3 liberals in 5
Why it looks stupid to me

Because she's fascist
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Post Post #137 (isolation #23) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:25 am

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I have no winrate if Skitter is liberal and she is fascist well over 2/3 of the time and I'll gladly take those odds

I'll ja Pooky then
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Post Post #138 (isolation #24) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:26 am

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In post 132, skitter30 wrote:And i'm p sure dwlee is lib

And i think both peta and andante are as well but not as confidently
You have zero reason to be p sure Dwlee is lib
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Post Post #141 (isolation #25) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:26 am

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In post 136, Andante wrote:peta is L so yall all better ja
I'm not jaing an x skitter gov
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Post Post #145 (isolation #26) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:27 am

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In post 139, Enchant wrote:
In post 130, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 125, Enchant wrote:
In post 122, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'll just conflict skitter she's obvious fascist this game

Keep us both out of government and you have 2 fascists and 3 liberals in 5
Why it looks stupid to me

Because she's fascist
No, like fine
Why keep self as well, if you are liberal.
Skitter is 100% confirmed fascist this is no longer just a value call on having high winrate if she's fascist and none if she's lib, that just isn't lib
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Post Post #146 (isolation #27) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:28 am

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In post 143, skitter30 wrote:
In post 138, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 132, skitter30 wrote:And i'm p sure dwlee is lib

And i think both peta and andante are as well but not as confidently
You have zero reason to be p sure Dwlee is lib
The fast nom
Idk why you think that's zero reason
I'm not responding to you anymore so I would avoid asking me questions
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Post Post #150 (isolation #28) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:28 am

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I'll ja both presidents who didn't pick Skitter.
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Post Post #157 (isolation #29) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:29 am

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In post 151, Andante wrote:RC this sounds identical to me being "confirmed fascist" after not playing cards last game
This is how SH works

When two people think each other are fascist you remove them both from play because conflicts drastically increase liberal winrate when they are correct

Me and skitter are big kids who can be trusted with our accusations, one of us is fascist one is liberal neither of us are touching the deck again
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Post Post #160 (isolation #30) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:30 am

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In post 156, Enchant wrote:Idk if RC-Fasc have any merit of just randomaccusing
Doesn't matter if I'm liberal you still have 80% winrate just following my conflict and I'll take those odds

Just play outside of me and skitter
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Post Post #167 (isolation #31) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:31 am

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In post 158, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:enchant we r literally not sorting between RC/Skitter because it's pointless to do it.

as long as they both are not in gov its fine


I can't be assed to defend myself when I'm guilty until proven innocent, conflicts is how SH works. Just play.
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Post Post #174 (isolation #32) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:32 am

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Peta if you think that you and skitter are two libs build a bridge get over it and play outside of her and I
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Post Post #183 (isolation #33) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:33 am

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Ok so you just hard side with the line where I'm fascist Peta

Man if you're lib this game is taxing on my opinion of you
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Post Post #204 (isolation #34) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:35 am

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Let's just go
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Post Post #205 (isolation #35) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:35 am

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This game leaves a sour taste in my mouth, I got 3red and at least one lib is hard fascsiding
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Post Post #211 (isolation #36) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:37 am

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You're all sus

go ja
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Post Post #214 (isolation #37) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:39 am

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Here's a quick comment for those who are actually playing to win this game: Skitter neined this government. Skitter knows she's not playing. Skitter knows it's passing and if it doesn't Pooky plays who she calls scum. There is no reason to nein that as liberal. The only reason to nein that is as fascist who wants to look good when it reds with the knowledge that a fasc is in gov.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #38) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:40 am

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There's literally no justification for skitter neining from a liberal point of view because she already called the other option fascist.

This isn't rocket science.
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Post Post #222 (isolation #39) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:40 am

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You're investigating Dwlee btw
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Post Post #225 (isolation #40) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:41 am

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In post 214, RadiantCowbells wrote:Here's a quick comment for those who are actually playing to win this game: Skitter neined this government. Skitter knows she's not playing. Skitter knows it's passing and if it doesn't Pooky plays who she calls scum. There is no reason to nein that as liberal. The only reason to nein that is as fascist who wants to look good when it reds with the knowledge that a fasc is in gov.
This is a hard resign from skitter btw
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Post Post #227 (isolation #41) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:41 am

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No you never invest in conflict

That just adds to the conflict
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Post Post #230 (isolation #42) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:42 am

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The invest is dwlee because he's chance go
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Post Post #237 (isolation #43) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:43 am

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In post 232, skitter30 wrote:
In post 224, Dwlee99 wrote:is it worth using investigation to clear the skitter/rc conflict?
Knock yourself out
Skitter doesn't need it explained why this is a bad idea btw she's not completely devoid of mechanical understanding. Someone who invests in us isn't confirmed liberal so the result becomes worthless
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Post Post #241 (isolation #44) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:43 am

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Ok Pooky takes gov if it reds we SE Dwlee
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Post Post #246 (isolation #45) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:44 am

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It's ok Pooky you're mathematically the most liberal player on table already
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Post Post #256 (isolation #46) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:45 am

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Btw to explain that

It's a claimed 2 blue deck

Pooky is the non toucher who isn't in conflict

He's mathematically most liberal in game
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Post Post #262 (isolation #47) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:46 am

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Omg dwlee I'm sorry I'm exhausted
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Post Post #268 (isolation #48) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:46 am

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Pooky is mathematically the most liberal slot at table btw

I'll say that again for those in the back
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Post Post #272 (isolation #49) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:47 am

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Go ja

If Pooky confed himself Dwlee is conf lib and they can carry
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Post Post #277 (isolation #50) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:48 am

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In post 273, skitter30 wrote:
In post 268, RadiantCowbells wrote:Pooky is mathematically the most liberal slot at table btw

I'll say that again for those in the back
Because ...
No toucher of 2 blue deck

Even if I'm fascist a co fascist has to also be my president AND 2b in 5 also had to happen

Odds of Pooky lib are extremely high even from your point of view if you had a point of view
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Post Post #284 (isolation #51) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:51 am

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Conflict or no
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Post Post #287 (isolation #52) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:52 am

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I mean we don't win this
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Post Post #290 (isolation #53) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:52 am

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Just se dwlee

We lose to 15
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Post Post #297 (isolation #54) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:53 am

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Ok great

Dwlee is confirmed liberal
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Post Post #298 (isolation #55) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:53 am

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Se dwlee faster
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Post Post #310 (isolation #56) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:54 am

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Dwlee is literally confirmed liberal unless RC skitter 2l

Two conflicts that don't include them

Can we move
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Post Post #317 (isolation #57) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:55 am

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I really hope Peta isn't Hitler then gl
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Post Post #322 (isolation #58) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:55 am

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You can pick whoever you want

It doesn't matter you are confirmed lib you have choice of se
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Post Post #327 (isolation #59) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:56 am

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ja
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Post Post #336 (isolation #60) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:57 am

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No

And you may need to pick in conflict and shoot the person you pick if they play red, you have choice of gov for good or ill
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Post Post #349 (isolation #61) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:01 am

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Ok well I'm gonna ask you to pop Skitter if you're lib

I'm pretty over this game regardless, libs had an unwinnable deck no matter what combination of players is liberal
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Post Post #353 (isolation #62) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:01 am

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In post 348, skitter30 wrote:I dont know why we're exeing but exe pooky
This don't make a lot of sense tbh
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Post Post #360 (isolation #63) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:02 am

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Andante is mathematically most fascist player for being pres and being in gov

I still prefer Skitter to get shot
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Post Post #366 (isolation #64) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:02 am

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Dwlee if you're fasc just shoot Skitter and I'll ja you again and blame the game on her

If not then shoot her anyway
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Post Post #373 (isolation #65) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:04 am

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I'll ja dwlee again let's move
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Post Post #381 (isolation #66) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:05 am

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What do the numbers mean mason
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Post Post #383 (isolation #67) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:05 am

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VORKUTA
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Post Post #386 (isolation #68) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:05 am

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WHAT HAPPENED IN VORKUTA
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Post Post #389 (isolation #69) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:06 am

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It doesn't matter

If dwlee is fascist Skitter is liberal and I'll take that lost

Can we just move
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Post Post #393 (isolation #70) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:07 am

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Ok sure go pass to dwlee
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Post Post #402 (isolation #71) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:09 am

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*nap*
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Post Post #406 (isolation #72) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:10 am

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Ok
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Post Post #413 (isolation #73) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:11 am

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You shot Andante

So you resigned to Pooky being liberal

So you pick Pooky here btw
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Post Post #420 (isolation #74) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:11 am

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If you shot wrong we lose anyway

Highest winrate is to play as if Andante was shot fascist
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Post Post #430 (isolation #75) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:12 am

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If it's RC pooky cakez then cakez is clearly the hitty
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Post Post #439 (isolation #76) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:13 am

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Let's just end the game

I'm not stupid I know what happened

Go ja
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Post Post #443 (isolation #77) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:14 am

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Peta you understand that Andante and Dwlee can't be two liberals right
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Post Post #444 (isolation #78) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:14 am

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Peta you understand that Andante and Dwlee can't be two liberals right
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Post Post #449 (isolation #79) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:16 am

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gg either way
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Post Post #457 (isolation #80) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:17 am

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so like

there was 1 liberal president and they rrred and the entire lib team decided that despite there being a bunch of cards missing the only fascist was the only liberal who touched deck
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Post Post #465 (isolation #81) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:20 am

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Who am I heiling
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Post Post #467 (isolation #82) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:20 am

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Fasc can you just say who Hitler is
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Post Post #469 (isolation #83) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:21 am

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Mafia is a lame game because you can auto scumread people and you don't take much of a penalty for it. Actions in SH have consequences which is why it's a much better game and despite the poor deck I think this loss was wholly justified by the way the game went.
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Post Post #471 (isolation #84) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:21 am

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Dwlee are you hitler
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Post Post #474 (isolation #85) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:21 am

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Not true it's 5 way
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Post Post #477 (isolation #86) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:21 am

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Pick: Dwlee
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Post Post #479 (isolation #87) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:22 am

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Nah in 5 way you can be chanc after being pres
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Post Post #483 (isolation #88) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:24 am

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Wasn't going to try for TD winrate
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Post Post #494 (isolation #89) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:27 am

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gg

honestly expecting to win after the only lib president 3rs is a very long shot but I also feel like the way things went is fairly justified by the actions people took

SH isn't mafia if you play as if a lib is fascist in SH you lose
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Post Post #497 (isolation #90) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:27 am

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I'll play another
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Post Post #498 (isolation #91) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:27 am

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Bottom two cards both blue, Dwlee dropped on RBB huh
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Post Post #499 (isolation #92) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:27 am

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I thought 51 was double drop
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Post Post #504 (isolation #93) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:30 am

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Philosophically I've come to lose respect for mafia as a game because I think the connection between your play and the outcome is significantly less intuitive and direct than in the other games I play. I like SH and Avalon because you take stances and if they're right you instantly have high winrate. If you're wrong you instantly have low winrate. I'm sorry for conflicting Skitter but we just aren't winning if she is lib who has no other scumreads besides a lib.
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Post Post #510 (isolation #94) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:33 am

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I feel like you appreciate games way more if you take them really seriously and try to understand the underlying dynamics well enough to master them.

I... don't actually respect SH all that much. I don't really respect mafia that much either for similar reasons. To me Avalon is the best social deduction game and it's not even close. You could spend a lifetime playing it and still keep learning new things.
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RadiantCowbells
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Post Post #511 (isolation #95) » Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:34 am

Post by RadiantCowbells »

Idk SH isn't really very artistic. I think mafia can be art. Avalon though is a thing of beauty
2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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