Dogs Vs. Cats Mafia | Endgame

[SirCakez]

Oh dear

[SirCakez]

I'm three pages in and this game is amazing

[SirCakez]

Fluffposts after saying stop the fluff

what serious conversation is going on right now?!? we may have just found our first enemy.

Very little and that was my point, you said stop the fluff but what you were saying around it didn't stop the jokey enviroment.
Unless you meant like, animal fluff, inwhich case I'm dumb

VOTE: ivyeo

[SirCakez]

This is gonna be one of those super hyperposty games so I won't be posting too much content here, I'm just too busy. Don't @me for not explaining everything.

[SirCakez]

Also this game is bastard fuckery so no one should care too much

[SirCakez]

@sircakez

can you explain why:

you voted ivy
why you were late here
why you don't like thse games
why you called yourself sircakez
why you're a wolf

[SirCakez]

Cakez why are you approaching this game immediately sour?

because it's very hyperposty already (7 pages in one hour of being open) and I'm SO FUCKING BUSY irl (finals coming at me like a train) so it's going to be really difficult to get involved in here
so I'm just making that clear to everyone before we really get started
I kind of did this to myself modding two games rn + in a handful of others as a player, but I liked the playerlist too much

@cakez u don't have to worry too much about me hyperposting. I will be alot less active starting tomorrow till weekend. This is day off. I also have interview/final exam and normal working hours this week so yeah...wont be spamming like my usual stuff. I think right now everyone will be posting alot and speed will die down in 24 hours after excitement of game start gets over with.

I hope so. Thanks Fire!

Cakez is a very different player these days then when i met him. He gives less fucks.
His development has been interesting to watch and i don't really have opinion if he would or wouldn't do that as scum.

Time will tell

I blame Xenoblade 2 for this. After that game I just don't get emotionally invested anymore. I took mafia too seriously and it was...not good.

wow we're on page ten already

wild

more like MILD amiright?

VOTE: dwlee99

he's in a freezer

GiF??????????

This has to be the longest RVS/shitposting opening to a game in my recent history
I'm honestly amazed!

[SirCakez]

Oh a budding wagon that I feel milquetoast about

VOTE: Farkran

why Fark here? was this vote in reaction to xofelf getting some votes?

Sort of

Something doesn't seem right about Fark, the votes on xof aren't terrible but it's a early D1 wagon that doesn't need my added vote.

This post irks me
I think it's because it's so vague
"Something doesn't feel right"

[SirCakez]

TSQ I'm confused because in the large theme queue you outright said it was bastard

[SirCakez]

10 pages jfc

[SirCakez]

didn't you come in and say it was bastard? @cake

I thought it was but TSQ has clarified

Oh a budding wagon that I feel milquetoast about

VOTE: Farkran

why Fark here? was this vote in reaction to xofelf getting some votes?

Sort of

Something doesn't seem right about Fark, the votes on xof aren't terrible but it's a early D1 wagon that doesn't need my added vote.

This post irks me
I think it's because it's so vague
"Something doesn't feel right"

So you disagree with me?

That wasn't the point of the post but sure I don't see anything wrong with Fark so far.

i also thought unwnd's quick defense was kind of weird but the background behind it wasn't bad, not so much as "i also think Ivy is towny from that" but "this feels like a normal opinion", also so far this game no one but Fire has captured my heart (read: felt like their game is going a place)

Everyone's just joshing around at the moment, so there is no one to capture anyone's hearts. I'll probably review the unwnd/Fark thing later, but for today, this game has an incredibly low content-to-pages ratio and it's not actually worth the effort to try to distill anything out of it.

I agree with the sentiment if not the attitude here.

I almost have 2 times as many posts as the person with the 2nd most posts lmao

I say this in the friendliest way possible...
You could post less and not make people demotivated to read 10 pages every two hours ^.^

[SirCakez]

Oh dear

Why

shitload of posts to read

Refusing to give a motivation for a vote. Yikes. VOTE: flow trap

this doesn't really mean anything Kaz

I strongly believe that we should target

Andante
flow trap
Ivyeo
unwnd

maybe
Chara

maybe
toadette

I agree on a lot of these reads
Nero can go into the townbin
Makes this way easier already

I strongly believe that we should target

Andante
flow trap
Ivyeo
unwnd

maybe
Chara

maybe
toadette

haha yall couldn't touch me if you put all your troops towards that effort

also this post is trash

VOTE: Beeboy

let's do this

LMAO poor beeboy just gets yeeted so fast in every game now

I understand the anti-Beeboy sentimnet, but since we're less than 24 hours out from the start of the game, I'm not comfortable driving that wagon yet. I feel like it's in our best interest to do that to win the game, but it makes me squicky to lean that hard into demanding that everyone be here always--this is a game where the purpose of long day phases is that you

do

have time.

Anyway:

Pro-Posting:

- Anya
- Firebringer
- Andante
- Nero
- Flow Trap
- unwnd
- Chara
- Pooky? (commented on the page count, but joined the fluffiness)
- Shiro ("I am caught up")
- Murdercat (planned absence, but promised to be very present)

Ambiguous:

- Farkran
- xofelf
- Raya36
- Brave Heart Lion (has one post, but it's enthusiastic)
- Toadette

Anti-Posting:

- Dwlee
- SirCakez
- Beeboy? (has zero posts)
- Isis? (has one irrelevant post)
- Kazyan
- NorwegianboyEE
- Flea the Magician
- kdowns ("15 pages of shit")
- Save the Dragons ("holy crap there are a lot of posts")

Was this helpful? Probably not.

who cares?

I think "town who isn't towning well" is more plausible for kdowns, but kdowns is still more likely to be scum than a random poster here.

Thinking back to that scumgod Prism newbie game, though, Flow Trap's town behavior in that game is consistent with their behavior here. So I'm just gonnna sheep. VOTE: kdowns

This post is pinging me. Waffling around it being more plausible that kdowns is town but then voting based on sheeping is very... Strange. Especially when xofelf is an option other than sheeping Andante.

I agree, I am not a fan of Kaz right now.

[SirCakez]

preliminary scum bin (ivy, andante, kaz, unwnd, flow trap)

i don't like some of unwnd's logic, it doesn't feel like his town thought process
flow trap is just vomiting so much useless shit that looks like scumhunting but does nothing but inflate the page count
and I talked about the other three

[SirCakez]

people who are probably town (pooky, nero, shiro, fire, xofelf, save the dragons, dwlee)
where i'm at now

[SirCakez]

Spoiler: Nero's Andante reasoning

my Andante reasoning isn't very "strong" and its just feels, IDK if anyone will agree with me or not but yeah...

not if we unite to take you out first..

I think it's cute how Nero thinks he's our leader

these just felt like things scum would say. like 60 seems like them fishing for town cred. its like "lookI'm sooo one f you guy!" and 114 is talking down to me.

you're recruiting me?? to which side?

I still think this is a bit fake-sounding. I mean would she be worried that an anti-town faction would have a public recruit option or that Pooky would name all his recruits?

Also, she's doing this kinda weird thing where she assumes that the cats are the scum team just b/c the name is "dogs vs. cats" but many of you have said you are other animals and the town pm lists threasts as our enemy. Am I just overthinking this?

I like your reasoning here but I'd like to see more stuff from Xofelf before I consider hopping off this wagon. There is definitely more stuff against Andante than against them but I think part of that is the sheer volume of posts that she has made. She also is trying to counter wagon off of Xof so I'm unsure if that means they could be aligned.

Following this up, i really don't understand the scumreads on kazyan, could you all summarize that for me?

I'm not sure if Cake has different reasoning than mine, but for me, it was the weird hop onto kdowns based on sheeping Andante in 614.

This + I disliked his weird list making about who wanted more posting or not

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Andante

This blind vote on a rising wagon is concerning me.

VOTE: Andante

What kind of progression is this?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: andante
Just because that post they made about us being unable to yeet them pissed me off

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Andante

This blind vote on a rising wagon is concerning me.

VOTE: Andante

What kind of progression is this?

VOTE: andante
Just because that post they made about us being unable to yeet them pissed me off

"man your Andante progression sucks"

*votes Andante*

how did this happen twice how far down the rabbit hole can we go here

I knew somebody would say this shit
Norwe could have voted anyone and I would have made the same comment. Yelling at someone else for a blind vote and then making the same vote doesn't make sense.
My Andante SR is totally independent of this (I had them in my scum pool earlier).

[SirCakez]

I don't understand the idea that Andante is scum. Is it good that Andante is posting less? Yeah. Does that mean that posting a lot was a scum plot from the very beginning? Nah.

no one said this

i don't like some of unwnd's logic, it doesn't feel like his town thought process

Pot cannot call kettle black here, your problem with me from the start is that I was making a vague statement about Fark, but yet your own read on me is vague lol

I can say what I don't like about you specifically
With that Fark read you literally just said "something doesn't feel right" which is meaningless

[SirCakez]

I had them in my pool earlier

I LOVE SWIMMING

get in doggo
you belong in the pool

[SirCakez]

If old Dwlee meta still holds up he is definitely town. Feeling lots of town engagement from him that he just doesn't do as scum.

VOTE: Andante

This blind vote on a rising wagon is concerning me.

VOTE: Andante

???????????????????????????????

lmao unwnd called out the same thing as me here
I didn't see this earlier when I was doing a quick-skim

Apologies for being anti-fun with my dourness. I'd been thinking with a puzzle mindset and didn't let the introductory levity in.

This reads terribly tonally.

SirCakez and Norwegianboy's votes for Andante look super opportunistic and weak to me, though they are almost definitely not scum together. SirCakez's explanation for the vote seems particularly like a made-up reason for me, in absence of having an actually good reason to scumread someone.

VOTE: SirCakez

this seems like OMGUS in light of the fact I am the top person pushing Kaz
I hate when people call votes opportunistic when they have previously expressed a SR on someone and a wagon starts building. that's just not...opportunism.

[SirCakez]

Norwee also gave a reason for the vote on Andante a few posts later. i just think it's funny that you have a problem with that but are essentially doing the same thing and it's worth talking about it.

i don't think it necessarily makes you scum, but there's no need to take that attitude, especially when you say you knew how it would look.

pedit: this is @Cakes

Fair point
I didn't connect the dots on Norwe making the earlier SR post on Andante
So many posts this game that it's hard to keep this stuff in mind while reading through 10 pages

I can say what I don't like about you specifically
With that Fark read you literally just said "something doesn't feel right" which is meaningless

This is just repeating the initial problem, I'm not going to just point fingers with you

I disagree with your Andante vote, as I do with the others

Do you think I'm scum with her?

Atm yes I'm not liking any of your posts here really

[SirCakez]

also you always SR me so it's hard to take your questioning of me seriously

[SirCakez]

Thinking Raya is town from catchup

also you always SR me so it's hard to take your questioning of me seriously

Very untrue, I defended you in Popcorn pretty early lol

did you? i forgot about that
I was going off of the large themes we played together recently

[SirCakez]

only five pages overnight bless!

[SirCakez]

could also just lynch flow trap so we don't have to read through 15576585667575 one-sentence replies

tempting

At this point I'm probably going to ignore everything before recently, there's just too much fluff for me to even try to pull stuff out of it.

dislike this because it's just factually wrong

I have a question - is there evidence that beeboy would be posting more as town or has he just rolled scum in every game recently and this is just his new playstyle?

[SirCakez]

Vote:norwegianboyEE

Worst vote on a bad wagon.

Rodent friends rise against the cats. No longer shall we lie down to be eaten. Today we fight back.

what's bad about the wagon?

Im ded sry scumteam will do better next time

No seriously though, there is scum on kazyan.

I disagree; Kaz is legitimately scummy

[SirCakez]

independently of the spam I think flow trap is scummy. their posts are mostly meaningless and seem to just be trying to keep up appearances.

[SirCakez]

independently of the spam I think flow trap is scummy. their posts are mostly meaningless

Independent of the spam, the spam is meaningless?

I meant that I don't think you are scummy for spamming
I think the content of your spam is what's scummy

[SirCakez]

I like that MC saw the same things that I did on Kaz.

independently of the spam I think flow trap is scummy. their posts are mostly meaningless

Independent of the spam, the spam is meaningless?

I meant that I don't think you are scummy for spamming
I think the content of your spam is what's scummy

What parts?

All of it. You have like 100000 posts I'm not gonna dig individual things out. I don't have more to say on this than what I've said.

I see what you're saying Kazyan, the reasoning given does boil down to that one post pinging Cakez. But also, that is more reasoning than I've seen from Andante so I'm not sure how I should interpret that.

I thought I said more than that. Oops.
Basically Andante's motivations feel more scum aligned than town - and their position of saying they are "untouchable" feels realllly from a scum POV

[SirCakez]

I see what you're saying Kazyan, the reasoning given does boil down to that one post pinging Cakez. But also, that is more reasoning than I've seen from Andante so I'm not sure how I should interpret that.

That make more sense. I thought he was referring to posts like 792. That thought process looks genuine now, so UNVOTE: SirCakez.

Also it feels like Kaz was looking for an out to unvote me here after getting a bunch of blowback for it

[SirCakez]

I'm just more surprised at how quiet it's been since last night though.

don't jinx it

[SirCakez]

Idea: People can find so many reasons to scumread Andante mostly because she has so many posts. Thus, more chances to say something someone dislikes, regardless of alignment.

it's so hard to scumread Kaz when they make posts like this.

i also feel like i know how they think more than most of the thread and on a day 1 like this that makes me not want to vote them.

I mean logically it makes sense but I'm not sure that necessarily makes it town

I was really looking forward to the fifteen minutes of firebringer time. Unlucky.

yeah he didn't answer your question which I was actually interested in the answer to

Also, notice how quiet things are from former hyperposters (I'm particularly side-eyeing unwnd) now that I'm the center of attention.

I also think this is just a ridiculous sentiment

VOTE: kaz I think I SR this more strongly than Andante now

[SirCakez]

I think Norwe is town here. they are not playing like when they slanked as my scum buddy in a recent game. much more effort.

Another aspect of it really is the fact I'm pretty sure Beeboy is not posting because he's scum. This is something I'm not really a fan of in general. It's exactly as Pooky said where it's reaching a trust tell and it has to be stopped. I will vote Beeboy every time under this pretense and if people don't see my own interpretations then they could at least have faith that this tell is truth. The people who are skirting around the issue at this point in a confbiased perspective are just potential mates who either A) pissed at him for flaking again B) trying to not lose a partner due to dumb shit. I don't really think all partners would assume the same thing and just tell me 'oh well maybe he's just busy' but I think Norwee and Farkran's response to it was the worst. Seriously Farkran how could you possibly townread Beeboy here for like two fucking posts lol. That immediately just tripped my alarms and Norwee is again playing to the whole latching on aspect.

my thing here is I'm worried beeboy is just playing like this now and he just happens to have rolled scum a lot recently
there's no counterevidence of him being active as town

[SirCakez]

VOTE: kaz I think I SR this more strongly than Andante now

Assuming you're still catching up, can you let me know why this is once you're done? I asked in-thread earlier and I didn't get a response.

still catching up but which part? kaz or andante?

[SirCakez]

if beeboy is town Pooky is probably scum. he would just take the free miselim here and think he could get a pass for it because of his playstyle.

how is it opportunistic when you had one vote on you

Unwd posted that paragraph about me because i was relatively inactive earlier today and then you voted me, it felt really opportunistic to me. Especially since you seemed to be questioning a vote on me from Shiro earlier on?

you should reread my post then, i'm questioning why shiro thought the andante wagon was bad?

Well your vote on me is still lame and it feels like you're just following the consensus.

again, what consensus? you had one vote on you. even with unwnd's post i'd hardly call that consensus.

i'm voting you based on a gut read.

i don't think you're taking pressure well. and instead of re-evaluating, you double down on your OMGUS vote.

StD is town methinks

It is Unwd. And you're one of the more arrogant players i've met to think you've "caught me" because i made some light jokes in a game.

Also this is 100% town!norwee

Farkran, my impression of you is that you're townreading basically everyone. Could you sum up who you think are most likely to be scum, if anyone?

where are your independent thoughts? all I keep seeing from you is sheeping onto other people's thoughts

[SirCakez]

i support the beeboy wagon but i feel like the day can be spent on things besides voting someone who isn't here to react to it. but ending the day on a beeboy elimination is fine with me.

VOTE: Raya

this post is so disingenuous lol
says we can spend the day not voing someone who is not here and then votes someone who is....not here!

[SirCakez]

Cakez I think you're town now by the way

why? what changed?

I mean logically it makes sense but I'm not sure that necessarily makes it town

i can see how my comment was read like that, but i was talking more about vibes than the comment making logical sense. like, Kaz saying what they want and having a strong, potentionally contentious position that gives a good idea of what sort of player they are and how they approach mafia, is why i townread them. it was just a random example of the style of Kaz's posting. the way they reacted to calls for making content earlygame also tracks with this. it just doesn't feel like they're trying to appease anybody even as they sort of went along with what i and others were saying.

i get the totally opposite impressions, I feel like Kaz is basically trying to appease everyone and not shake any trees

I think Norwe is town here. they are not playing like when they slanked as my scum buddy in a recent game. much more effort.

Another aspect of it really is the fact I'm pretty sure Beeboy is not posting because he's scum. This is something I'm not really a fan of in general. It's exactly as Pooky said where it's reaching a trust tell and it has to be stopped. I will vote Beeboy every time under this pretense and if people don't see my own interpretations then they could at least have faith that this tell is truth. The people who are skirting around the issue at this point in a confbiased perspective are just potential mates who either A) pissed at him for flaking again B) trying to not lose a partner due to dumb shit. I don't really think all partners would assume the same thing and just tell me 'oh well maybe he's just busy' but I think Norwee and Farkran's response to it was the worst. Seriously Farkran how could you possibly townread Beeboy here for like two fucking posts lol. That immediately just tripped my alarms and Norwee is again playing to the whole latching on aspect.

my thing here is I'm worried beeboy is just playing like this now and he just happens to have rolled scum a lot recently
there's no counterevidence of him being active as town

My other reasoning still stands

My read on Norwee flips based on what Beeboy is; I don't know how to feel about STD who is voting him

what other reasoning?

[SirCakez]

i support the beeboy wagon but i feel like the day can be spent on things besides voting someone who isn't here to react to it. but ending the day on a beeboy elimination is fine with me.

VOTE: Raya

this post is so disingenuous lol
says we can spend the day not voing someone who is not here and then votes someone who is....not here!

Raya's not physically in the thread right now, therefore she isn't playing?

what did you mean by "not here"?

[SirCakez]

where are your independent thoughts? all I keep seeing from you is sheeping onto other people's thoughts

1) I just posted an independent thought. 2) I sheep people frequently--when people bring up points I agree with, so goes my opinion, because this is a 24-person slugfest and my brain is not that big. 3) I'm probably not going to convince you regardless; this is phrased more like an accusation than a question.

I mean I was genuinely looking for an answer; you admitting that you just sheep a lot is a good answer. That said, I want to stay voting you for now.

why? what changed?

You did a thing you always do as town and I'm not telling you why

oh ok join the club with Cabd

[SirCakez]

i support the beeboy wagon but i feel like the day can be spent on things besides voting someone who isn't here to react to it. but ending the day on a beeboy elimination is fine with me.

VOTE: Raya

this post is so disingenuous lol
says we can spend the day not voing someone who is not here and then votes someone who is....not here!

Raya's not physically in the thread right now, therefore she isn't playing?

what did you mean by "not here"?

i meant that beeboy hasn't been present aside from a few posts, and i don't feel like voting him when i'm not sure if he will return, while Raya is definitely playing the game and presumably will return to the thread at some point.

ok I think I misunderstood what you meant in the initial post

[SirCakez]

I think I have enough for a readslist

Town: nero, save the dragons, dwlee, Norwegian
Nulltown: Raya, shiro, Fark, xofelf, anya
Null: beeboy, kdowns, brave heart lion, toadette, fire, Flea, Chara
Nullscum: unwnd, pooky, Murdercat
Scum: ivy, andante, kaz, flow trap

I kicked Pooky down to nullscum because I realized he actually hasn't done much here besides push beeboy and I think he'd more likely do that as scum
murdercat has been quite unimpressive so far and more reminiscent of his game in team mafia so into the scum pile he goes
I realized Fire hasn't actually done anything AI so into null he goes
probably a good amount of town in the null pile I just haven't read them closely enough yet

so many fucking players this game I feel like I have a grasp on the game and then I make a full readslist and realize I basically don't have anything on half the players jfc

[SirCakez]

beeboy, kdowns, brave heart lion, toadette, fire, Flea, Chara

I will be watching these people closely

[SirCakez]

glad I made that readslist I feel like I have something to work with now
before I was just stranded in the sea of 24 players
drifting awayyyy

[SirCakez]

I like that MC saw the same things that I did on Kaz.

isoing myself I found this and realized I didn't account for it
call it a gut feeling from when I was looking at the playerlist to see who I didn't have a read on
I feel the Cat would be sticking out to me as someone obvious to put in my TRs were he town and that didn't happen here

[SirCakez]

beeboy, kdowns, brave heart lion, toadette, fire, Flea, Chara

I will be watching these people closely

I promise you’ll be getting more of me later. It’s my last day of finals, so I’ve been slightly preoccupied.

feeling you dude I'll be there in two weeks and honestly dreading it

beeboy, kdowns, brave heart lion, toadette, fire, Flea, Chara

I will be watching these people closely

<3

why is Ivy in your scumpile?

i'd talk more about Kaz but i think we are just going to disagree on that.

pedit: i'm focusing on maybe 5 names and letting the rest wash over me like a cool wave.

I HATED ivy's opening and nothing they have posted since has made me want to reconsider that
a 20-second ISO of them reveals basically no content, just complaining like the below:

preliminary scum bin (ivy, andante, kaz, unwnd, flow trap)
and I talked about the other three

If by talked about me you mean left a naked vote then eyerolled when asked to explain (though ik that last part was a joke) then ig you've talked about me

and:

At this point I'm probably going to ignore everything before recently, there's just too much fluff for me to even try to pull stuff out of it.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: kaz I think I SR this more strongly than Andante now

Assuming you're still catching up, can you let me know why this is once you're done? I asked in-thread earlier and I didn't get a response.

still catching up but which part? kaz or andante?

Why P(kaz = scum) > P(andante = scum)

Everything Kaz posts gives me massive scum pings, over and over. I've called out like 5 of them and could probably quote more.
Andante is more of a tone read, and their recent posting has felt a little better. but not enough to move them out of my scum pile.

[SirCakez]

I recall some people TRing Toadette? why is that? I can't even remember any of their posts.

[SirCakez]

doing rapid fire ISOs cuz I have a little time rn
oh Toadette is Isis
hmmm ok

VOTE: xofelf

this hop on was shitty

yeah that ISO is literally nothing. only noticeable thing was the hop on Xofelf based on this:

I do gotta say, I appreciate just how large that votecount font is.

This is mafia

so like mmmmmm

[SirCakez]

Cakes: i didn't hate her opening but i found the posts past that pretty underwhelming.

ok thanks
yeah I'd probably put her in nullscum after doing that quick skim

[SirCakez]

brave heart lion:

God

Page after page.

Please don't make catch up a pain when I am able to do it in a few hours

Brave heart is tired from yesterday

Can we all please be caring carebears

this sentiment <3

yeah totally nothing there, null as can be

[SirCakez]

kdowns:

I don't know if this has been really communicated but I would be inclined to believe that there are two scum teams? Since It's Dogs vs Cats and the Town roles are neither of those.

i like this post for having the thoughts and tonally

I’m about to take my last final but I feel much more confident in this.

VOTE: Andante

uhh what exactly makes you more confident that I'm scum?

Just your constant over reaction to any little thing that’s aimed towards you, and the fact that you have been trying to deflect.

and I like this

not much there but what is there is alright. I think the tone is quite town, altho I'm a sucker for the "boomer" mentality. kdowns can be nulltown for now.

[SirCakez]

Flea: I'm not gonna quote shit but fae's playing like fae always does. I usually have problems reading faem. honestly I hope the slot self-resolves somehow because Flea is just unreadable.

[SirCakez]

and that'll be it from me for now

[SirCakez]

I think I have enough for a readslist

Town: nero, save the dragons, dwlee, Norwegian
Nulltown: Raya, shiro, Fark, xofelf, anya
Null: beeboy, kdowns, brave heart lion, toadette, fire, Flea, Chara
Nullscum: unwnd, pooky, Murdercat
Scum: ivy, andante, kaz, flow trap

I kicked Pooky down to nullscum because I realized he actually hasn't done much here besides push beeboy and I think he'd more likely do that as scum
murdercat has been quite unimpressive so far and more reminiscent of his game in team mafia so into the scum pile he goes
I realized Fire hasn't actually done anything AI so into null he goes
probably a good amount of town in the null pile I just haven't read them closely enough yet

so many fucking players this game I feel like I have a grasp on the game and then I make a full readslist and realize I basically don't have anything on half the players jfc

yea im sure scum pooky and scum unwnd saw beeboy sitting there doing nothing and decided it's a real good idea to kamikaze blitz him in case he ever gets back to the game and nails the entire scum team.

do you actually read the things you write?

why not? if beeboy is scum here it seems like he's already doomed. judging from what I know of you two you'd rather take credit off of it then mysteriously ignore it.
and if beeboy is town then freelim

[SirCakez]

what's bad about the wagon?

Both it reasoning and its sudden traction.

I disagree but I understand this opinion so that's fine

I think Kaz echoes enough of my sentiments that I don't feel that weird about some of their posts. For instance, you didn't like their one post about the absence of the hyperposters for a bit, but I had a similar feeling. I agree that the application of it was off ("now that I'm the center of attention") but I still feel worse about Andante than Kaz. A lot of it is tonal, as you said, but I really get rubbed the wrong way when she talks about voting for people she doesn't scum read or claiming doctor for funsies in a different game. And then that beeboy vote.

Fair enough. It's just a variation on similar sentiments that we share.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Raya

she switched all the lights on at home and left for holiday hoping we wouldn't notice the house is actually empty

I don't support this wagon but I think this post is hilarious

[SirCakez]

I think I have enough for a readslist

Town: nero, save the dragons, dwlee, Norwegian
Nulltown: Raya, shiro, Fark, xofelf, anya
Null: beeboy, kdowns, brave heart lion, toadette, fire, Flea, Chara
Nullscum: unwnd, pooky, Murdercat
Scum: ivy, andante, kaz, flow trap

I kicked Pooky down to nullscum because I realized he actually hasn't done much here besides push beeboy and I think he'd more likely do that as scum
murdercat has been quite unimpressive so far and more reminiscent of his game in team mafia so into the scum pile he goes
I realized Fire hasn't actually done anything AI so into null he goes
probably a good amount of town in the null pile I just haven't read them closely enough yet

so many fucking players this game I feel like I have a grasp on the game and then I make a full readslist and realize I basically don't have anything on half the players jfc

yea im sure scum pooky and scum unwnd saw beeboy sitting there doing nothing and decided it's a real good idea to kamikaze blitz him in case he ever gets back to the game and nails the entire scum team.

do you actually read the things you write?

the more I think about this post the more I dislike it

[SirCakez]

why? what changed?

You did a thing you always do as town and I'm not telling you why

See, this for instance is one thing that scum never does

Raising the degree of certainty that a player is town based on meta memory always comes from town, in the same way of several previous unwnd posts. Scum does not raise or lower certainty because they already have 100% certainty.

unwnd is a strong townread, i just wish we agreed more.

hmm this is a good point

Oh my god the wall of texts are getting awful.

yeah can people break down huge paragraphs? with even just line breaks?

My issue with Kaz can be summarized that I don't think he believes anything he's saying really, and his flippant behavior accurately depicts that.

exactly

[SirCakez]

why Std?

[SirCakez]

and why is iyv town?

[SirCakez]

Non-indicative behavior that seems intentional

i don't know what this means

[SirCakez]

I don't think that's true though

how is it opportunistic when you had one vote on you

Unwd posted that paragraph about me because i was relatively inactive earlier today and then you voted me, it felt really opportunistic to me. Especially since you seemed to be questioning a vote on me from Shiro earlier on?

you should reread my post then, i'm questioning why shiro thought the andante wagon was bad?

Well your vote on me is still lame and it feels like you're just following the consensus.

again, what consensus? you had one vote on you. even with unwnd's post i'd hardly call that consensus.

i'm voting you based on a gut read.

i don't think you're taking pressure well. and instead of re-evaluating, you double down on your OMGUS vote.

Like this post is pretty aggressive which I liked a lot

[SirCakez]

I think you can practically just say scum are trying to elim beeboy here regardless of his alignment

[SirCakez]

Can you explain what your case is on Andante (or anyone else scumreading her)? Maybe I'm missing something but what I remember seeing so far has just been NAI to me.

Well, I haven't played with most of this table before, and none of the ones who know my playstyle are voting me lmao I will admit I've meme'd more than normal this game, but I was honestly having a great time, I loved all the laughs!!! I think I have splashed of content, there was someone I read their ISO last night, found it scummy, I think their name is Shire/Shiro, I could go check, but yeah. too many people to really read all lol I've also been out all day. I'm town!!! Have no fear!! I'm just the easiest push for people right now. I also don't exactly know what my role is, so not like I can claim anything lmao thus regardless of anything, I'm not claiming lol

What did you find scummy about Shiro?

So, in my ISO there's "Shiro feels off" but like, I don't know. Feels like Shiro is doing bare minimum to get by. the norwegian vote in 1048 feels weird too, like, norwegian is someone who is actually super easy to push, I said something on this earlier, but this vote, feels very real, not RVS. Responds 300 posts later to a comment about that vote, when asked why the wagon was bad, goes "Both it reasoning and its sudden traction." like, I really feel like this is coasting scum, I know there's not a whole lot to the ISO, which makes it an easy read, but idk I feel like this is textbook scum game. nothing in that iso says towny

this is Shiro's meta

[SirCakez]

(though I disagree with things such as them saying me trying to reduce the info take in is scummy

?? I don't remember saying this

[SirCakez]

pookythemagicalbear
Beeboy (maybe)
Kazyan
Andante
flow trap
Ivyeo
unwnd
firebringer???

This is a good pool. beeboy I guess is an info flip if anything because almost everyone has an opinion on him.
I probably wouldn't do unwnd or Fire today but they are people I am watching.
I'd like to add Toadette and Murdercat to the pool.

[SirCakez]

I think I can get a better grasp on Raya if she actually finishes catching up and starts interacting in real time w peeps.
I think her TR on Toadette is weird. The reasoning is not very strong.

[SirCakez]

actually I think I was too quick to TR Shiro. I don't really think anything she has posted is AI upon review.

[SirCakez]

I think I'm feeling a little better about Kaz

VOTE: andante

[SirCakez]

Don't really agree with what someone said about her being overwhelmed as town.

That was Unwnd and I agree with you Nero I don't think it's just being overwhelmed

[SirCakez]

I'm fairly sure you're town

how could you be?

Anya is probably mafia I just don't care that much about it

?????

What is this post.

good Kaz post I was wondering the same thing

Correct, the people voting me legit think I'm scum, for bad reasons :/

but you don't seem to be defending yourself against this "bad reasoning" you are just content to sit back in and let others say that you aren't scum b/c you are lynchbait....and that's a fallacy. It's like you are scared to get down in the trenches and get your hands dirty.

I concur

[SirCakez]

this isn't anywhere close to my top SRs but I think it's an interesting wagon and Fark is pretty townie so I'll pop on
VOTE: shiro

[SirCakez]

altho voting with my srs...
/puke

[SirCakez]

this isn't anywhere close to my top SRs but I think it's an interesting wagon and Fark is pretty townie so I'll pop on
VOTE: shiro

I'm kicking you out of ADAT. though I dunno if you ever joined. Flea joined us btw, I forgot to mention it.

whats adat? is that your army?
if so

[SirCakez]

you can rejoin it, I guess I just don't really like the Shiro vote. It concerns me that both counter wagons to Andante of be lurkers (bee and shiro) both are real null and easily scapegoatable.

understandable
i just want to widen my pushes here a bit because i've been on the same three people for a while (anda, kaz, ivy)
i don't expect this wagon to go to elim
and Shiro's reaction upon returning to thread does not feel super great
and I think the Norwe wagon is ass

[SirCakez]

It’s a crappy bandwagon.

see he posts junk like this

there's nothing wrong with that post, he's right

Mild scumreads on Norwe,Iv and kdown

you haven't been talking about Norwe like a "mild scumread" you literally posted a gif celebrating someone voting him

[SirCakez]

What's bad about shiros return?

feels way too casual/"oh wow people are voting me xD"

ex;

Oooof I see I have 4 votes, neat stuff

It is ok guys, it is fine being wrong have a cherry

[SirCakez]

If Norwee is scum then Fark is scum with him

I stand by this

along this line...
if Norwe flips scum I throw out all my townreads basically

It’s a crappy bandwagon.

see he posts junk like this

there's nothing wrong with that post, he's right

what's ass about it

i didn't say that post was ass? did you mean the Norwe wagon?

[SirCakez]

I don't think the reasoning is any good at all and I don't think anyone has explained it
The composition is ok I guess. 2/5 SRs, 1 null and 2 TRs

[SirCakez]

ig it's fine as a pressure wagon but people are talking like they want it to go to elim

[SirCakez]

I like that Kaz post

[SirCakez]

Taking a super quick look at the leading wagons since I don't actually have much for thoughts on a couple.

Norwegian: First content post was voting Andante (which is a wagon I disagree with), second was townreading kazy (which is a townread I disagree with). What was it from xofelf you thought was a dumbtell? Says a blind vote on a rising wagon is concerning although he voted andante blank without caring how many votes were there, and then also blank votes a few posts later. That was already addressed though. I don't really think the pushes he made on Andante are very good. Like the interpretation in 1017. Voted STD for opportunistically joining his wagon (I do think someone mentioned town Norwegian gets defensive like this though). We kind of have the same stance on beeboy.

VOTE: norwegian
Gonne move here for a bit

confused how this read and this vote go together considering how waffly the read is

[SirCakez]

I don't think the reasoning is any good at all and I don't think anyone has explained it

for me it was mostly a gut read. i don't like his calling me out for voting andante and then voting andante. so i pushed it, and i get a lot of "caught scum" vibes from his posts. maybe he's always like that, i don't know. i'm not sure i care too much about meta, it's more of a tone thing i guess? he's my top scum read at the moment so i'd like to keep pushing, see what we get out of him.

everyone keeps talking about that Norwe "call out" and then vote Andante thing but I don't really think it's "that" indicative of scum in the long run here. it just as likely could have been a derp move (cuz I sorta did the same thing and I'm town)

Im just

I'm at the point where I'm willing to sheep someone today

I'll take windheart, Farkheart and maybe bakeheart.

Sorry neroheart, I love you and you're very likely town but your reads are average at best

I say this with much love

oh shit that's who this is!
yeah brave heart is town

That slip helps me think your slot is possibly town though so could be a good thing after all

yeah definitely lol I had no grasp on that slot at all

[SirCakez]

happy with Titus rep in cuz I think she should be readable here if she's scum

[SirCakez]

It is Unwd. And you're one of the more arrogant players i've met to think you've "caught me" because i made some light jokes in a game.

Also this is 100% town!norwee

I'm really back and forth on norwee right now

I guess i just find it hard to believe Beeboy would literally just never post as scum? Isn't this borderline trust tell?

This is weird to me, after such a strong reaction against the wagon

yeah MC is scum here
regardless of it being Norwe he's attacking these posts are just such wafflesauce

I feel the Cat would be sticking out to me as someone obvious to put in my TRs were he town and that didn't happen here

I don't really play until D3 of larges though, too hard to actually do anything

I don't really think this is true? looking at back at Among Us for example

If it helps, I dunno who you are and it's clear you don't know me that well

If I'm ever revealed, you'll eat your words.

Im hesitant to town read you because of a recent game but as much as I'm hesitant I keep getting closer and oser to fleaheart!town

Bookmark, feeling sleepy. Will do a readslist in the morning, think I have like 6 or so solid townies.

VOTE: Titus

Probably going to be fine with this when I catch up.

also this is such a crap vote

[SirCakez]

I don't like this post. In general, Anya will post things I like about other players and then randomly hop her vote around. I can't help but feel like she could be picking up on legitimate reasons to scumread her buddies, saying them for towncred later, and then hopping off of the wagon so that it doesn't really go anywhere.

This is a good point and something I will consider

[SirCakez]

what's your proof dwlee

VOTE: Norwegian

i wanna wrap the day up and after some deep introspection i realised i don't mind if it's the bee or the Norwegian

what's your proof i change my vote a lot

these posts are fucking awful

Anya's recent posts bother me greatly

VOTE: Anya

I think this is definitely justified but I find it hilarious how Anya went from Cora to Kill so quickly

Considering the speed of this game and the fact that alot of the players are stuck in catch up mode, why?

because look at what Ivy is posting when they are here
it's pretty bad

4. Defending beeboy for no reason? Unless you have a different experience with beeboy than the 3 or 4 people who said he's hardlurking as scum - this is not to say beeboy is certainly scum but i dislike the contrast in confidence if there's no reason to justify that

I hate how people keep saying this when Dwlee has essentially proved its not a catch-all

[SirCakez]

Time to catch up on 30 more pages, but I have a feeling we are just gunna yeet Titus?

Kinda a bummer tbh :/

This is also a very bad post :\

I feel murdercat is being sliding utr with little and poor content today, could we talk more about it?

Alright, done rereading and add Shiro to my TRs,
Looking at Norwee as the biggest wagon, their response to being wagon'd is the only thing that pinged me in their ISO. Things like calling their wagon crappy, and just kinda discrediting it instead of looking for scum on it just doesn't feel like a towny mindset
VOTE: Norwe

what's your proof dwlee

VOTE: Norwegian

Terrible jump-ins

Major mind-meld!

That is Shiro 101 cake, shame on you. You should have known better :u

it's been a while
and anyways I dislike other things you've posted since then

yeah brave heart is town

I'd expect Mom to be OMGUS scumreading me if she were town so I'm not sure if she's town.

did you attack her? I don't remember

[SirCakez]

Revised

Town: nero, save the dragons, dwlee, Norwegian, Fark
Nulltown: Raya, xofelf, Kaz, unwnd, kdowns, brave heart
Null: Titus, Fire, Flea, Chara
Nullscum: toadette, Shiro, Anya
Scum: ivy, andante, flow trap, murdercat, pooky

[SirCakez]

Y is norway so high, ditto kaz, unwnd and kdowns?

is this @me?

[SirCakez]

kinda. I expressed concern over her slot (b4 she alt slipped) in one of my lists.

also, her stuff about norway and ivy are hot garbage

hmmm this doesn't seem like it would provoke OMGUS tho you aren't even voting her

[SirCakez]

Y is norway so high, ditto kaz, unwnd and kdowns?

is this @me?

yes

kdowns posts give me good vibes tonally
unwnd is trying a lot more than he did as scum recently in Fakeclaim Mafia + I think his approach to me is town
Kaz I think is really genuine and they're making a lot of foot-in-mouth posts that are getting them SRs. I didn't really grasp this earlier but they explained it and it makes sense.
Norwe I mainly dislike the way people have piled onto him and I don't really think he's made any posts that are actually scummy. I liked a few of his posts but not overwhelmingly. He could be nulltown I guess?

[SirCakez]

I think I need a little more scumvidence to vote Raya but 1912 definitely gave me pause

[SirCakez]

it's not just Pooky to be fair; there is some evidence for it
that said, there is also some counterevidence

[SirCakez]

Oh and i feel like i'm just gonna start playing from this page because knowing there are so many pages i haven't gone through just demotivates me into never getting started with catching up at all.

this is a good strategy; you haven't missed that much tbh

[SirCakez]

town are explicitly animals.

sort of

I want to vote murdercat. I mean, all my vote switches so far haven't been strong reconsiderations of the slots, rather i moved onto targets that i feel more confident scumreading

I think murdercat has the highest chance to flip scum out of all of them right now, although i could also see a world where all of them are scum. I guess we need a flip.

VOTE: murdercat

Please show me if there is any interest

fark stop making these posts where you make me want to sheep you q.q

Wrt titus i have to say the rep-in didn't make me happy (alignment-wise, i have nothing against titus as a person lol)

It would have been fairly easy to understand why her slot has been run up. The slot was hardlurking with a reported meta of a scum lurker - i don't think it's being used as a counterwagon to scum, at least by those who led the wagon (i.e. pooky, kazyan, unwnd)

Murdercat being there is concerning though.

The hard lurking point should stop at the subout. That indicates IRL. If beeboy was scum hard lurking, he'd post just enough to stay in the game.

beeboy has flaked out as scum before

Moon muffin I want your thoughts on Andante.

this is Titus right?

Does Pooky have any content that isn't about beeboy? Really doesn't feel like it from a skim of their ISO.

no he doesn't and it's very concerning

[SirCakez]

y'all post too much

[SirCakez]

Does Pooky have any content that isn't about beeboy? Really doesn't feel like it from a skim of their ISO.

Are you trying to shift a wagon to someone for "no content" ?? feels sus

awful post
that's obviously not what he meant

Ok. I am claiming now.

I am a cop that checks for Aliens.

mmm this claim seems kinda fake

i mean i dont believe this claim but maybe the aliens abduct titus tonight and take this problem off my plate lol

this is terrible
when I was scum and you were town in warehouse when I claimed you immediately declared it fake and continued tunneling me
here you back off immediately?????

[SirCakez]

can you give us a full claim

what type of animal even detects aliens

My flavor is Bojack Horseman.

this flavor makes sense but I'm sure scum were given flavor fakeclaims

Dogs and Cats and Aliens but also Bojack fucking Horseman the animated series

my flavor is a weird licensed "animal" too
it lines up
the role itself is what skeeves me out

i have zero idea about whether Titus's claim is legitimate but shea has the vibe of a weird role being possible so i'm not comfortable saying it's too weird for this game. at the very least it's consistent with her entrance.

but i can confirm bojack horseman does not seem to have aliens in it.

unless the aliens are humans? also the introduction of furry characters brings a whole new dimension to this game and i want in.

this smiley should NOT be there i dont know how it got there i am entirely positive about this.

LMFAO IM LEGIT LAUGHING IRL AT THIS

[SirCakez]

I believe Titus and Pooky looks awful in these pages. Only shows up to mentions of their name and to push the beeboy slot.

LOL

Thoughts on a shiro wagon?

it already exists join

Thoughts on a shiro wagon?

Eh, i'm still ok with that. Would rather do murdercat.

Can I hear the murdercat case?

murdercat's iso is the case

Looks is for the singular. Pooky is the subject there.

Dwlee this doesn't make any sense

[SirCakez]

VOTE: titus
I think the claim is fake but the flavor is real

[SirCakez]

it feels like she just random.orged a role off the wiki to claim

[SirCakez]

Wait maybe the mod saw Bojack and was like "Person who looks like animal" and that's the scumteam, Human animal things idk

no because my flavor is a human animal thing

[SirCakez]

People i'd like to see the flip who also have a significant chance to be scum: murdercat, shiro, ivyeo, raya.

I would do any of these

[SirCakez]

if Titus flips scum I bet the Norwee wagon is fucking loaded with scum

[SirCakez]

actually wait no this is probably multiball
still probably her buddies are on there

[SirCakez]

GUYS. YOU ARE LITERALLY ONLY VOTING TITUS BECAUSE OF THE BEEBOY "META" step back for 1 second and consider this being town.

not after the claim

[SirCakez]

Persistent defender vibes

what the hell does this mean

The pace goes on and will continue to spiral out of control

Nobody wants to listen to wise sage unwnd who saw the same exact shit happen in other large games

ye you're right that's part of why I'm sheeping onto Titus despite stronger SRs elsewhere

GUYS. YOU ARE LITERALLY ONLY VOTING TITUS BECAUSE OF THE BEEBOY "META" step back for 1 second and consider this being town.

not after the claim

And I'm telling all of you, based on my role pm, I 100% believe Titus. And I'm certain someone here has to also have this info, unless I'm just informed, which could work, idk. I'm not outing stuff. I believe Titus.

I like this VOTE: Dwlee

awful vote

[SirCakez]

oh im still catching up but I see this wagon is now a thing hooray!

VOTE: murdercat

[SirCakez]

can we kill flow trap tomorrow?

[SirCakez]

NorwegianboyEE [8] shiro, flea the magician, toadette, save the dragons, raya36, Ivyeo, titus, kazyan [8] shiro, flea the magician, toadette, save the dragons, raya36, Ivyeo, titus, kazyan

man my scumreads are really all over this wagon

[SirCakez]

Flea you should stop with the perpetual catchup and just interact with people real time. No one can read you with your current playstyle.
I agree with the assessments that most likely Titus + Andante are both town here, after reading the logical analysis that people have been posting.

Does Pooky have any content that isn't about beeboy? Really doesn't feel like it from a skim of their ISO.

Are you trying to shift a wagon to someone for "no content" ?? feels sus

I feel like you're town now because of your + kmdown's softs in relation to Titus but also why do you keep making posts like this? I don't even understand why you thought the beeboy wagon was good before Titus claimed because I just remember you naked voting it.

i will promise to drive the dwlee elim tomm after titus flips red today

lol you're the one who came up with the read first,

i just remembered beeboy being really flakey as scum after you brought it up

then i remembered being tilted at him stealing my dance partner

then i was consumed by the desire to eat him

I feel like this post is trying to distance yourself from responsibility if the Titus elim goes through and the post above this one feels fake.

VOTE: Titus

your claim is unbelievable and if true will be valuable information for us

Feel like it's more valuable after it can potentially get results. If Nero's theory is correct, I imagine there will be ways to tell with the results.

I agree with everything in this post

My best guess is still murdercat, but i'd be fine with shiro, raya, ivyeo and let's also add anya and flow trap

even if Fark is a good scum player I can't overlook how we are mindmelding on the exact same scum pool (except I'd add Pooky and Toadette)

oh look here's me giving up on life

VOTE: murdercat

look he's probably realizing his day 1 designated miselim is dead and giving up and bussing here

Can someone please explain the murdercat case?

if MC is scum this post reads horribly
I'll be a good sport and say that basically MC is not playing to his town meta and all of his content feels passionless and faked

[SirCakez]

Hmmm

[SirCakez]

i'm 20 pages behind
why is murder not dead yet

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:
Still haven't read everything read some murdercat and liked it

Well
Like the implications for his alignment
I don't think he is being helpful

gross

VOTE: flowheart

????

Back to MURDERCAT please 11 votes

2 votes and then we're home-bound

me reading this knowing I still have 15 more pages ://////

Titus claimed Bojack Horseman the Alien Cop and I think it's the most ridiculous sounding claim I've seen in a very long time

Andante says something in her role PM indicates aliens exist

I personally believe that Andante is telling the truth, however Titus would just attach TMI information to some believable character, my theory is that she saw Timon and went 'yes, animated mammal character'

I don't think Titus is this creative, and I don't think the odds of her just guessing Aliens and someone else happening to know about Aliens are very likely

we can share a laugh when the game is over about how she saved a doomed slot by claiming Bojack Horseman Alien Cop but as it stands I have no more patience left to reason with the people in this game and I pray for a quick bullet in the head.

Anyways this is town pooky, to everyone who believes the contrary

Wouldn't insist so much as scum, regardless of correctness

still not sold on this

Wrt murdercat, idk. The catchup wasn't bad. But it's late to wake up with something good after we had at least 3 high wagons who were not him, and he was just ok to let them go. I still find that approach scummy, we can go ahead.

I concur - I don't think it means much that MC is just NOW showing up with content after giving us nothing for 100 pages

[SirCakez]

Old site meta

Why is it an awful vote?

Because Dwlee is obviously town

If given the ultimate choice i'd execute Flow Trap atm. I feel they have highest chance of flipping scum in all of my reads.

I have a 100% chance of flipping town if you shoot me day 1

another crap flow trap post

Yeah, I’m not exactly thrilled with MCs iso. I’m gonna wait though to hammer.

Just do it, no point in waiting. Not gunna turn around so far into D1

also this is the same defeatist attitude MURDERCAT had in Team Mafia as scum

[SirCakez]

Cakez if you're town you are beyond confbiased about my slot

And you're probably town

You need to like

Take a really good nap

Like on a futon that smells vaguely good
In the afternoon
On a sunday

how so?

[SirCakez]

What the hell people get off that poor murdercat and let's kill some Norwegian folk.

just a reminder everyone that Shiro said Norwe was a "mild scumread"

VOTE: Titus

Better than me I guess.

VOTE: Titus

I just hate this sequence of posts

VOTE: Titus

No point idling my vote on nbee if we can yeet scum

and this depends on flip but I really dislike this vote from Flea, it feels very opportunistic with the reformation of the Titus wagon

To be clear about it, i too like murdercat after he has been wagoned, but what do you expect? "aw guys you caught me, i'm scum and my partners are x and y"?

He could be town, ok. As anyone else. But this flip still has the highest chance to be scum.

agreed
the Cat is very good at looking good under pressure

[SirCakez]

why do I still have 8 more pages and no MC hammer???? wtf is going on???

[SirCakez]

FB hasn't actually done anything this game, just following whatever wagon and saying they're sheeping me, like.. if they were town I feel like there's be a touch of "I'm trying to find scum" in the iso

have you ever played with him? that's his meta. he's just null atm.
I think he is an absolute shit wagon for day 1

I just hate when nobody can fucking commit day 1. the game will move on, this is not the end of the world

[SirCakez]

Is there a case on Shiro cause I didn't see one from Farkan

who gives a fuck about cases
make your own decisions

I'd still like Flow Trap to die btw but i guess getting a wagon on them is impossible today for some reason.

me too but that is not a battle for today

[SirCakez]

i have a few pages left but I need to go
this game is making me annoyed

[SirCakez]

I mean you could argue out that MC is being

LAMIST

but sometimes town just vote themselves out of frustration or that he is town that actually thinks his mislynch and letting those ppl scumreading him move on is whats best for town. I think you are being unreasonable toad.

read team mafia large theme day 3 he did this too

i'm 20 pages behind
why is murder not dead yet

Why are there any votes on me when the case was I don't play as scum (which isn't even accurate) and I've been here all day now that I'm caught up?

that was not the full case

Old site meta

Why is it an awful vote?

Because Dwlee is obviously town

If given the ultimate choice i'd execute Flow Trap atm. I feel they have highest chance of flipping scum in all of my reads.

I have a 100% chance of flipping town if you shoot me day 1

another crap flow trap post

So?

The second one is true

yeah ok

also this is the same defeatist attitude MURDERCAT had in Team Mafia as scum

I was town LMAO

WAIT FUCK I GOT YOU MIXED UP WITH MORNING TWEET BECAUSE OF THE CAT AVATARS LMAO

[SirCakez]

ok so that happened
mc still scummy but my meta was wrong

[SirCakez]

You're interpreting a lot of my posts that are pretty NAI or towny as scummy

To a point where there is a dearth of your townreads agreeing with you

Like to the extent others have misgivings about my slot it's on narrower grounds and probably construals(is that a word) with less distance

not really? I'm not seeing a lot of people TRing you or disagreeing with my reads on your posts

I just hate this sequence of posts

I was following Anya btw

that doesn't make it any better...

FB hasn't actually done anything this game, just following whatever wagon and saying they're sheeping me, like.. if they were town I feel like there's be a touch of "I'm trying to find scum" in the iso

have you ever played with him? that's his meta. he's just null atm.
I think he is an absolute shit wagon for day 1

I just hate when nobody can fucking commit day 1. the game will move on, this is not the end of the world

u always have a null read on me my dude

BECAUSE I CANT FUCKING READ YOU LOL

[SirCakez]

whatever this day needs end
sorry mc but I still lean scum on you and I can't justify moving wagons here

[SirCakez]

So I sucked day one!
More news at 11

[SirCakez]

Chainsaw being I attacked Shiro to defend Norwegian
Which is a totally fair assumption
My read was just totally off
Idk what else to say

[SirCakez]

I *think* i can keep my SRs generally since it's multiball
That said my TRs are looking off (altho I was right about Unwnd and Nero)
Hmm

[SirCakez]

Flow trap, ivy, murder, toadette, Pooky, Shiro, Anya
I definitely need to reeval Shiro and Murder

[SirCakez]

With the flip of Cat Mafia i feel like the possiblity of the existence of Aliens makes literally no sense

[SirCakez]

murder

I should have a pretty low chance of being mafia here, but it's possible I am a different faction I suppose.

Should be pretty easy to look through norwee iso and find other contenders.

Also, I didn't mention this yesterday, but the fact that town is now confirmed to be not cats or dogs means that we are definitely looking at multiball in case anyone failed to piece that together. I assume dogs are werewolves because flavor. So that's two kills explained. Could there also be aliens? I don't know I wouldn't be surprised I guess. But why does Titus ever get a result here??

You are not anywhere near the top of my list today dw

[SirCakez]

VOTE: toadette
Let's open here

[SirCakez]

VOTE: titus
Nvm changed my mind let's start here

[SirCakez]

If we're doing NKA Nero kill points to Andante

[SirCakez]

I'll be back here tmrw morning

[SirCakez]

I am 14 pages behind

[SirCakez]

I'm seeing a massive Andante wagon? not objecting to this...
will keep in mind as I catch up. seems like Titus + Andante may be buddies from what I'm reading this page?

[SirCakez]

If we're doing NKA Nero kill points to Andante

everything i read from andante screams town to me.

keeping in mind considering what I saw on pg 145
I disagree anyways

If we're doing NKA Nero kill points to Andante

Why is that? Andante for other reasons feels very town to me right now

also noting

lets keep this gamea spicy

VOTE: Farkran

duel me farkran lets see if ur charm can defeat my dog bite

this vote sucks and doesn't make sense from a town PoV in this gamestate I think

Why don't you think cakez is with norway again?

I think 658 is a pocket attempt, not a partner

and I think it worked too <.<

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Andante

This blind vote on a rising wagon is concerning me.

VOTE: Andante

Andante has very wolfy confidence with how they're saying we need to keep up their votes on them.

on further consideration, i actually don't think Norwee's ISO indicates he isn't scum with Andante.

if Andante is scum they are probably on Dog Mafia
I concur with Chara here

I think I want to move Raya to my scumbin and Murder to my townbin

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Flow Trap

Ok those votes I posted look REALLY bad for flow trap imo, gunna write it up a bit cleaner

I agree and think Flow Trap looks like a very likely Norwe partner and once we are done w/Titus and Andante I would like to yeet Flow next

Andante is misyeet bait people. get with the program.

the question now is does Fire hard defend a buddy here? or is this a WK attempt from Cat Mafia? or just town?
hmmm

MC's 3335 is really good

Going out with mom tonight

how are you going out with yourself

Also

Vote:pooky

On to the next scum.

Also fire, I am sorry to say but I fear you might be scum, You are crazy enough to be Dog scum and be open about it and try to lead town to kill all cats in order to play full town by scumhunting for cats.

Shiro I'm sorry I think you're town now

I’m just really good at detecting doggies. Anda is 100% doggo.

OHHHHHHHHHHHH I see!

VOTE: Andante

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Titus

TF is this?

[SirCakez]

I read kdowns correctly

[SirCakez]

we have a guilty on someone else...

[SirCakez]

i almost want to fake an inno on andante because otherwise none of yall will listen to me. So annoying.

Because you can’t. I’m a Dog Cop and I investigated Anda last night and got confirmation on her being a dog.

[SirCakez]

Anda is L-1 with my vote you could hammer flow!

[SirCakez]

No one actually suspects Adante. Let's call a spade a spade. He's being run up to claim so my doubters can have something to pick at to miseliminate me. Running up Adante gets them a roleclaim and an excuse not to scumhunt.

LMAO WAS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE IN SCUM PT

the cats killed Nero Cain .

weird
I was expecting Dogs to have killed Nero since he was so hard after Andante who is now like lock dog

Should we elim Titus today and Anda tomorrow?

Cause I've had an uneasy feeling about Anda saying keep Titus till day 3 for a while

?????????????

Oh y'all were active as I slept. I really want to hear from Andante before we hammer though. Like, a) I wanted her to explain what her deal with Titus is/was, and then b) I'd like her to respond to kdowns.

No this is stupid we know Anda is scum why would we let them fill the thread with bullshit and attempt to weasel out?
let's just hammer it and move on

expecting someone who is a confirmed doggo to give us something useful is lolol what

like she's caught scum

titus is caught scum

do you expect her to come in and like explain why Titus is actually Bojack Horseman?

like cmon

towniest thing Pooky has said this game

Please catch up -.-

I'm done

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Andante

There ya go cakez

you got me excited

[SirCakez]

this week is gonna be hell for me
why not start it off nice with a red flip?

[SirCakez]

Haha the joke is that Dwlee is already on the Andante wagon, so you can only hammer if you're off it.

VOTE: Andante whoops my finger slipped

Thanks buddy

[SirCakez]

SirCakez is just scum. If anyone doesn't see his catchup is just him FoSing Raya (the other person voting him) and rehashing what others said, I don't know what to tell you

What else would I do lol
I'm not a scumbro like Flow Trap trying to not elim the guilty

[SirCakez]

I HATE THIS GAME MY READS WERE TERRIBLE AND ANDANTE WAS A FUCKING DOG MILLER
AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE HOW ANDANTES CLAIM SUPPORTS TITUS

[SirCakez]

VOTE: titus
WHATEVER AT LEAST NOW WE KNOW THIS IS SCUM AND ANDA WAS JUST TALKING OUT OF THEIR ASS

[SirCakez]

can I just sheep other people this game???

[SirCakez]

Why the FUCK did Anda not claim miller day 1????

[SirCakez]

Flow trap is still probably cat mafia i think???

[SirCakez]

there's no way it was a vig because nero's flip
so either some kind of redirector or SK?????

[SirCakez]

and if it was a SK where did the dog mafia kill go???

[SirCakez]

and why wasn't there three deaths night 1????
no it has to be a redirection

[SirCakez]

ME AND MY READS LOL

[SirCakez]

Beeboy,

TSQ ARE YOU OK???

[SirCakez]

SOMEONE HELP IM LOSING MY SHIT

[SirCakez]

I HATE THIS GAME MY READS WERE TERRIBLE

Flow trap is still probably cat mafia i think???

I DONT KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE ANYMORE

[SirCakez]

THE ONLY THING I HAVE BEEN RIGHT ABOUT THIS GAME IS THAT UNWND AND NERO WERE TOWN
WTFFF

[SirCakez]

and if it was a SK where did the dog mafia kill go???

Probably attacked kdowns and healed?

this big smart

[SirCakez]

IM SCREAMING

[SirCakez]

ok let's be real
if andante had shown up and claimed dog miller nobody would have fucking believed them

[SirCakez]

the rushed elim was a mistake but I very highly doubt the end result would have been different
ALSO IF THERE IS A FUCKING CAT MILLER YOU BETTER CLAIM

[SirCakez]

Do not rush this

ARE YOU ALIEN COP 2???

[SirCakez]

SK would make sense here
way back in Borderlands Mafia (a similarly sized setup) it was two teams of 3 maf + 1 sk + 1 third party role

[SirCakez]

the Andante dog miller flip and then two dogs flipping gives me such severe whiplash, i don't even have room to be mad i was wrong about all three of them.

SAME

[SirCakez]

I feel worse about Kaz slot now with how bad my reads have been

[SirCakez]

that replace-out just gives me weird vibes

[SirCakez]

can I just sheep other people this game???

Cakes please don't be scum i'm not being wrong three times.

I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT YOU
IF IM WRONG ABOUT ANOTHER TOWNREAD IM GONNA CRY

[SirCakez]

As for what happened last night I think it's gotta be clear to dog mafia so I'm just gunna say it anyway.

Probably cats shot FB and the dog shot was redirected off of kdowns and on to dwlee.

what do you think about fark's alternate SK theory?

[SirCakez]

what is this in response to?

[SirCakez]

why?

[SirCakez]

see now I want to unvote so we don't get another too fast hammer BUT THEN WITH MY LUCK TITUS WILL FLIP SCUM AND PEOPLE WILL THINK IM HER BUDDY
NO THANKS

[SirCakez]

see now I want to unvote so we don't get another too fast hammer BUT THEN WITH MY LUCK TITUS WILL FLIP SCUM AND PEOPLE WILL THINK IM HER BUDDY
NO THANKS

As far as I'm aware being hesitant to move your vote cause you might seems scummy is something scum does

I KNOW THAT'S WHY I TOLD EVERYONE WHY IM NOT MOVING IT

[SirCakez]

There's something else to consider related to dwlee dying but I won't get into that.

why even say this then?

[SirCakez]

but nobody even knows what it is

[SirCakez]

see now I want to unvote so we don't get another too fast hammer BUT THEN WITH MY LUCK TITUS WILL FLIP SCUM AND PEOPLE WILL THINK IM HER BUDDY
NO THANKS

As far as I'm aware being hesitant to move your vote cause you might seems scummy is something scum does

I KNOW THAT'S WHY I TOLD EVERYONE WHY IM NOT MOVING IT

That's hesitating

sorry can't help you anymore bud

[SirCakez]

bit why does scum Cakes decide to announce said hesitation? just to look town?

Because they didn't know it was a tell?

i've been playing mafia for like 7 years....
of course I know that's a tell

raya is a cat or a dog someone throw her a fish and a bone and see which she goes to

LOL

if flow trap is scum I'd think cat mafia

[SirCakez]

I checked Toadette. Not an alien.

Alien hit the dog. Can we stop gaslighting me now?

LMAO

[SirCakez]

ok Titus answer this - are you looking for the flavor of alien or alignment of alien?

[SirCakez]

ok Titus answer this - are you looking for the flavor of alien or alignment of alien?

We've been over this before. I strongly believe alignment but my pm doesn't directly state.

did you ask tsq?

[SirCakez]

Titus can you explain your reasoning for your targets?

Kazyan for the vote hopping

Toadette because I was looking at people who were exclusively hunting me as alien suspects

this doesn't make any sense, why would aliens want you to flip as alien cop and validate that they exist?
right now most people think you're lying and there aren't even aliens

[SirCakez]

I checked Toadette. Not an alien.

Alien hit the dog. Can we stop gaslighting me now?

thinking you're scum isn't gaslighting you, Titus. this is a game about lying. can you please stop calling it that? if you're town and we're not believing you, we can't be gaslighting you because we don't actually know you're town. it's a serious thing to accuse someone of doing and i wish you'd use a different term.

There's plenty of evidence given with the flips that at least one alien exists.

Denying that to wagon me is horseshit.

I've been gaslit before and know what the term means.

Sure town could be in denial here but aliens are gaslighting.

the two theories are redirector or SK. nobody is saying aliens but you.

[SirCakez]

that's why I asked if titus is checking for flavor or alignment fark
like an alien being a serial killer in a game about animals makes sense

[SirCakez]

I think if there is Aliens it has to just be one and its a SK
there's no way there's three scum teams that would be absurd

[SirCakez]

Titus could be the sk though, that would also make a lot of sense as opposed to a sk cop and we could still lim there and work forward with the two non-sk results we have from her

Pedit @chara: yeah but i need to get to my pc otherwise it will take years

this seems too batshit to be true
who claims sk cop of their own sk alignment???

[SirCakez]

Lets allow the half of the game that didn't get to evem post yesterday get a voice in today

who are these people?
besides anda obv

[SirCakez]

my stance now is kinda that I guess there's a smallish chance Titus is telling the truth? but there will be doubt about her ALL GAME and we just need to flip her and resolve this thing. we are far ahead on numbers anyways with three scum down.
and frankly if she's a SK cop the chance she hits is absymal anyways with so many players

[SirCakez]

kdowns gave us the guilty....

[SirCakez]

P.S Titus is not a dog

i don't know what to think now

[SirCakez]

I guess she would have to be SK?????

[SirCakez]

why would cat mafia claim fucking alien cop

[SirCakez]

Is norwee incapable of bussing?.. I mean I don't remember d1 that clearly by now for whether something about his play super clearly made it nonbus but in a vacuum is generally weigh level zero associatives less heavily than beeboy matching his scum meta precisely

VOTE: Toadette

I don't like the Titus push at all so I'm gunna park here for a bit

? what like 7 different people are on Titus

VOTE: MURDERCAT

this reaction sucks though

The missing N2 dog kill though really points to kdowns being a real dog cop that was protected, let's not paranoia over that

VOTE: toadette

Chara what's your input on pops?

I don't see any world where kdowns is not dog cop
how would he have known about Andante being dog miller?

I'm a human.

scum claim???????????