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Good morning, i want to let you know that 14 pages overnight are evil to me. Nevertheless, i skimmed them and filtered out the rvs noise to form these reads currently:
Firebringer town
Toadette town
Chara probably town
This is based on posts that i don't remember but sounded town. Discuss why i am wrong.
Also i have an announcement to make: i hate dogs. I am a cat person. I despise dogs deeply and i am glad i rolled some animal that isn't a dog, although i don't think i know what it is, probably a snake. I also like snakes.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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HELLO AGAIN MY DEAR SIBLINGIn post 373, Chara wrote:toadette being Isis is an unsurprising development, Chara is just so fun to play with. :>
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Nyan~ i'm not sure, help me moreIn post 374, Shiro wrote:
You cannot scumread this face now can you ?In post 371, Farkran wrote:I'm not sure if i like shiro
Shiro make a post that allows me to townread you
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Uh... we have just played a game together, what feels off about town!me?In post 380, unwnd wrote:Sort of
Something doesn't seem right about Fark, the votes on xof aren't terrible but it's a early D1 wagon that doesn't need my added vote.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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My heart suddenly broke. I still think you're in good faith though
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For the record i think this comes from town though, and cakez is also probably townIn post 406, unwnd wrote:I'm assuming both of you disagree on my vote of Fark until proven otherwise
Why does shiro not ping me as town?
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I don't think we've played together, we'll see how this developsIn post 413, Ivyeo wrote:Fark feels kinda stiff in their writing so far, so I get thatFarkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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This is entirely correct but not sure if it is a Real Thought, noting this in my iso for laterIn post 472, Kazyan wrote:
Everyone's just joshing around at the moment, so there is no one to capture anyone's hearts. I'll probably review the unwnd/Fark thing later, but for today, this game has an incredibly low content-to-pages ratio and it's not actually worth the effort to try to distill anything out of it.In post 456, Chara wrote:i also thought unwnd's quick defense was kind of weird but the background behind it wasn't bad, not so much as "i also think Ivy is towny from that" but "this feels like a normal opinion", also so far this game no one but Fire has captured my heart (read: felt like their game is going a place)Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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On the other hand this does sound like a real thoughtIn post 483, Kazyan wrote:
True; I'm just not looking forward to reviewing 20 pages of dogposting and multiple layers of irony.In post 477, Chara wrote:trying to get workable content out of the fluff is the quickest way to get out of that phase of the game, though.
Is this a gut read, or do you have a specific thing that isn't right?In post 380, unwnd wrote:Sort of
Something doesn't seem right about Fark, the votes on xof aren't terrible but it's a early D1 wagon that doesn't need my added vote.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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I will townbin you for today because i think this is a town approach to the current gamestateIn post 486, unwnd wrote:
I think being opposite alignment (and scum) gives me a more direct look into your own behavior, and right now some things aren't lining up. As for what those things are? Guessing and tonal expectationIn post 475, Farkran wrote:
Uh... we have just played a game together, what feels off about town!me?In post 380, unwnd wrote:Sort of
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Town for now, Chara. But what i said as scum last time still holds true, i have no idea about your townplay. I'll judge you more about things happening around you than your own postsIn post 489, Chara wrote:what are you thinking about me?
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There is less effort to produce town content than i would expect from shiro. The answer they gave to unwnd was uncommitting. Small stuff for now, but i have been strongly town pinged by unwnd and pooky for instanceIn post 495, flow trap wrote:
Why does shiro not ping you as town?In post 491, Farkran wrote:Why does shiro not ping me as town?Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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Why kazyan and norwee?In post 511, unwnd wrote:I have a lizard meeting to attend to but right now I would vote for Kazyan, Norwee, and Beeboy. Xof is still a decent wagon but it's not my personal interest
Only adding Beeboy if he continues to not play, because it is genuinely a scumclaim for him lol
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See my very first post in this game!In post 512, Andante wrote:Hey Farkran are you with the cats or the dogs?
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Well i did smash scum in my last game after my comeback! You shouldn't expect d1 solves though because my d1 solves are usually worse than trash.In post 532, Chara wrote:i'm going to go enjoy some tea and cake, and i will see all of you tonight. <3
i've seen one beeboy game where he didn't play as scum but i thought it was an irl thing.
i also am not really sure of what your towngame is, Fark, but my expectations aresky high.
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Eh not sure if that's correct but i think it's certainly useful + i like the towny approach, kazyan is very town to meIn post 539, Chara wrote:not really sure of the point of 526, is the idea that there's one scum in the antiposting camp worth making a list to sort out all the players? and more than that is Andante's idea one that holds water?
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I am... not going to be able to keep up with all the stuff, so here's how i'll organize my thoughts from now on
People that made an impression to me:
Unwnd
Chara
Norwee
Kazan
Pooky
Cakez
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Shiro*
People who didn't:
Everyone else
I feel like i should have an impression of andante but i don't currently - probably because i have been subconsciously reading posts more attentively from people i already played with. The only one who stood out of those who i don't know is kazyan and that's a strong townping.
? denotes an impression without an alignment ping
* denotes a scumping
Following this up, i really don't understand the scumreads on kazyan, could you all summarize that for me?Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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I mean i think unwnd and kazyan are, just like me, trying to put some order in this chaos
And i think that comes from town 100% of the time. It's not easy to keep up with all the posting, so they are trying to create a situation that they can keep up with. Even if they *could* be wrong, their thought process is positive.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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Yes, i think we are friendsIn post 642, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Farkran i'm heartbroken at Shiro not being who i thought they were.In post 471, Farkran wrote:
Nyan~ i'm not sure, help me moreIn post 374, Shiro wrote:
You cannot scumread this face now can you ?In post 371, Farkran wrote:I'm not sure if i like shiro
Shiro make a post that allows me to townread you
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Impression as in, i remember something from themIn post 659, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
What kind of... "impression"In post 637, Farkran wrote: People that made an impression to me:
Unwnd
Chara
Norwee
Kazan
Pooky
Cakez
Toadette?
Shiro*
Everyone else is a blank up to that point, as if they didn't even post at all. I skimmed through all of their posts and nothing struck me as important. I may be wrong.
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In post 697, Dwlee99 wrote:
The wagon started because they were very defensive upon a couple of votes. Now that they're posting more I'm a bit perplexed on their analysis and as Save said I feel like them and Andante could be connected.In post 694, Farkran wrote:I like how xofelf is adjusting to the gamestate instead of going back to rvs-y stuff
I just isoed them since they were top wagon and i don't understand why - if it is even a serious wagon? Which votes on xofelf are actually non-rvs scumreads?
Liked these posts, although not sure if correct, i will give andante a readIn post 695, Save The Dragons wrote:314 and 690 both ping me. 314 is a little jumpy and 587 was a bad post so i'm not sure why xof is calling it out as #goodposting. plus andante/xof are giving me connected vibes. it's not an earth shattering case, i know, but it's better than my random vote.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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Oh, wow, andante iso is... not good. Content/posts ratio is really low, and when i met content i don't read it as an attempt to advance the gamestate, rather just to say that something was there. I don't like andante so far.
Based on *only* andante iso though i don't see the connection to xofelf, is it something that happens unilaterally from xofelf?Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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I mean this does not make sense to me, i see things literally oppositeIn post 732, unwnd wrote:
Andante takes the initiative by voting bad people, seeking out trouble fearlesslyIn post 723, Dwlee99 wrote:Kaz has loads more content than Andante. I don't like Kaz's posts but acting like Andante's are better is baffling.
Kaz sits at their desk writing up tall tales on potential good and bad people
I choose Andante every time
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I feel that it could be specifically a reason why both votes come from townIn post 818, Chara wrote:In post 812, SirCakez wrote:What kind of progression is this?
"man your Andante progression sucks"In post 813, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: andante
Just because that post they made about us being unable to yeet them pissed me off
*votes Andante*
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And here's the opposite take lol unwnd whyyyyyIn post 819, unwnd wrote:Yeah cakez ignoring his own hypocrisy is badFarkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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Personally, i don't have any strong scumread so far, including andante. However, i dislike the content/posts ratio and the content itself from andante when i isoed her + i decided to move my vote there because the wagon comp isn't bad to meIn post 821, Chara wrote:
why exactly do you scumread Andante? i haven't seen any good reasons and i think she's town.In post 816, Farkran wrote:
I mean this does not make sense to me, i see things literally oppositeIn post 732, unwnd wrote:
Andante takes the initiative by voting bad people, seeking out trouble fearlesslyIn post 723, Dwlee99 wrote:Kaz has loads more content than Andante. I don't like Kaz's posts but acting like Andante's are better is baffling.
Kaz sits at their desk writing up tall tales on potential good and bad people
I choose Andante every time
However, i still think unwnd is town so i'd like to understand how we can have such contrast in our gamestate analysis
that's separate from finding Norwee's and then Cakes vote absolutely hilarious however.
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Meta read, i played with norwee a fair amount of games. I am not 100% sure yet though it sounds like town norwee to me.In post 1000, unwnd wrote:I would like Fark to tell me more why he thinks Norwee is town.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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Wait who's farheart if i am farkheart?In post 1031, Brave Heart Lion wrote:I'm halfway through the game
Undecieded on Kazyanheart
Decidedly town on Dweeheart
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By the way my current opinion is that the kazyan wagon is scumdriven, i cannot believe for a second that he is being scumread for trying to organize the thread
Out of all the possible reasons to vote anyone, choosing to vote for busywork is terrible, and the wagon growing so high is opportunistic at best
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Not necessarily raya. Raya's recent posts weren't bad. But the wagon grew beyond plausibility - i lost track of how many people are there but i think it's about 5-6 now.In post 1066, Dwlee99 wrote:Anya, that would have been more believable with beeboy still on no vote.
I think Kazyan's vote right now is on SirCakez. Bad vote imo. I also hated their sheep of Andante to vote kmdown earlier. Granted, I'm not on the wagon, but the wagon seemed to grow naturally in a response to people catching up with the thread voting for him. Unless you're suggesting Raya is forming a counterwagon to save Andante?In post 1051, Farkran wrote:By the way my current opinion is that the kazyan wagon is scumdriven, i cannot believe for a second that he is being scumread for trying to organize the thread
Out of all the possible reasons to vote anyone, choosing to vote for busywork is terrible, and the wagon growing so high is opportunistic at best
Can we have a vc?
I do agree that the vote on sircakez is bad, but is it bad in a scummy way? I don't think so. Kmdown i need to read better.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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My highest tr right now is dwlee, i like the reasoning and i believe his effort is protown
I still tr kazyan, although some of his takes don't match mine, i think there's value in his approach to the game, scum wouldn't do that
I tr unwnd, he sounds like he really believes what he's saying although i agree with... pretty much nothing he said so far. This could be a bad sign or just a consequence of a large theme d1
Other trs have faded a little but i still want to believe my opinion on xofelf, pooky and firebringer
I need to take a look at kdown, anya, ivyeo. Shiro still a plausible lim for me.
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Don't count on that, i barely find motivation to leave mineIn post 1128, Chara wrote:good morning thread.
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It's true but somehow your posts didn't stick to my mind - as i said, could be because i paid more attention to players i already know. I will read you better later.In post 1129, Nero Cain wrote:not to toot my own horn but I think I've been a big part of d1 so I felt a little left out of your post with reads in it dark. Any reason I'm not there?Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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I am concerned about your takes because i townread you fairly strong tonally, however i become paranoid when none of our arguments have common ground - as much as i try to keep my mind open, having an opposite standpoint on every subject is a raises flag be wary of.
I didn't put much weight on your initial scumping of me, because i thought you were stirring the waters around a player whom you know to be responsive (me) and see what happens - i find that a good approach. Now i don't understand if you are actually scumreading me or not though, and if so i have yet to understand your reasons.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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Wait - i never talked about beeboy. That's one of the players that i didn't even read yet. I do remember people who said beeboy is known for hardlurking as scum, but i have never produced any read about them.In post 1178, unwnd wrote:Another aspect of it really is the fact I'm pretty sure Beeboy is not posting because he's scum. This is something I'm not really a fan of in general. It's exactly as Pooky said where it's reaching a trust tell and it has to be stopped. I will vote Beeboy every time under this pretense and if people don't see my own interpretations then they could at least have faith that this tell is truth. The people who are skirting around the issue at this point in a confbiased perspective are just potential mates who either A) pissed at him for flaking again B) trying to not lose a partner due to dumb shit. I don't really think all partners would assume the same thing and just tell me 'oh well maybe he's just busy' but I think Norwee and Farkran's response to it was the worst. Seriously Farkran how could you possibly townread Beeboy here for like two fucking posts lol. That immediately just tripped my alarms and Norwee is again playing to the whole latching on aspect.
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Why? This seems to have became a hot topic so please tell me why it sucks?In post 1236, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Also Beeboy wagon sucks.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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Also this is 100% town!norweeIn post 1242, NorwegianboyEE wrote:It is Unwd. And you're one of the more arrogant players i've met to think you've "caught me" because i made some light jokes in a game.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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I am townhunting, i.e. i can't form strong scumreads so i'm trying to form strong townreads.In post 1254, Kazyan wrote:
Farkran, my impression of you is that you're townreading basically everyone. Could you sum up who you think are most likely to be scum, if anyone?In post 1249, Farkran wrote:
Also this is 100% town!norweeIn post 1242, NorwegianboyEE wrote:It is Unwd. And you're one of the more arrogant players i've met to think you've "caught me" because i made some light jokes in a game.
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Saving this in my isoIn post 1314, Chara wrote:
this is why i'm proposing a non-beeboy wagon right now. i think Raya's scummy, we can talk about that.In post 1304, NorwegianboyEE wrote:But what if someone vigs Beeboy and we vote someone that will react more to pressure instead.
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See, this for instance is one thing that scum never doesIn post 1358, unwnd wrote:
You did a thing you always do as town and I'm not telling you whyIn post 1355, SirCakez wrote:why? what changed?
Raising the degree of certainty that a player is town based on meta memory always comes from town, in the same way of several previous unwnd posts. Scum does not raise or lower certainty because they already have 100% certainty.
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I have a fairly strong townread on kaz whereas you have a scumread that i don't understand, based on the infamous "busywork posts" - at least that is my understanding of your position that i don't agree withIn post 1402, unwnd wrote:What are some topics that you are thinking about or believe we could discuss? I am not against you simply for scumreading you for behavior, I am always willing to work with people
Diametrically opposite is our standing on andante - you say he's carefree, willing to put the face in his reads, i read his iso and see surface level content that doesn't sound like coming from town motivation. My read on andante isn't strong at all, but i feel a bit confused by the many people who townread him that strongly (including you)
Last but not least i don't understand your scumread on me, as i said i thought you were trying to start a conversation with me to see how i and other people would react, but recently it seems you actually scumread me and i don't understand why. We have just played together as tvs, i don't feel different than my past town self.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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More importantly though, since i'm fairly confident in my town core, i'd like to start talking about potential lim candidates that we can agree with. Set aside kaz and andante (and myself), who else would do you scumread with significant confidence?
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I have already answered this, it's a metaread on your tone. Also when you call someone arrogant for scumreading you, you're town 99.9% of the times. I'm confident in this read.In post 1412, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Actually Unwd makes a good question. Why am i town to you Farkran?Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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I got scumpings from flow trap, but i admittedly didn't read him well yet. I'm trying to alternate isoing and real time conversations to sort people.In post 1410, unwnd wrote:
A lot of the uncommon topics are all just leanings and gut feelings--In post 1406, Farkran wrote:More importantly though, since i'm fairly confident in my town core, i'd like to start talking about potential lim candidates that we can agree with. Set aside kaz and andante (and myself), who else would do you scumread with significant confidence?
pedit: above @unwnd, but norwee you can answer too since you're town to me
I have tinfoil on STD.
Flow trap weirds me out and maybe some pressure there wouldn't hurt. I can't say I definitively scumread them though.
Xof has fallen off the radar.
I don't hate Chara's vote on Raya though I'm a little worried I maybe gave Chara too much credit early; I don't townread Raya.
I miss Ivyeo and hope she isn't overwhelmed.
I think that's it? The problem I'm facing outside of what's being discussed is that it's been discussed so little and I think all the people aforementioned haven't really done anything telling. Ivyeo continues to lessen in my mind but my gut tells me (overwhelmed) may be the case.
Xof is a nulltown to me, nothing strong though
Chara i will never fully townread, but so far i don't scumread either, whereas raya could be nullscum (pending a more attentive read)
Ivyeo could be scum
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Kaz is a hot topic so i will be following the situation closely, but i just don't see the scumminess for now. I will reassess later with a clear mind maybe, but i'd rather look elsewhere for this d1. The amount of players is huge, we're probably looking at a 6 or 7 players scumteam(s) and likely at least 2 kills per night? I feel like we should be moving on for now, and return on this topic later if necessaryIn post 1417, unwnd wrote:I'd like for you to take my #1404 with consideration as well, I would appreciate it immensely
See norwee, I'm not an arrogant SOB
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Hmm. Looking at this, i am thinking that:In post 1453, Thestatusquo wrote:
1) the wagon on andante still looks good to me
2) the wagon on kazyan is bad
3) the wagon on beeboy could be good if i am to trust andante
4) the wagon on norwee is bad although 3 people barely count as a wagon, and 2 people definitely don't
Can we consolidate a bit more? Out of everyone in this game i am most confident on my dwlee and unwnd townreads, which makes it hard to decide where to go. Personally i'd honestly want andante over beeboy, but i see how beeboy could be scum anyways so i'm willing to compromise there. The wagons on kaz and norwee should not exist tbh.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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MURDERCAT is also quite bad, only a handful of posts, a bad vote, and a voiced attempt at defending lurkers
That's not how town would approach that, if you think a lhf is being pushed you try to identify who's the scum behind it, you don't just defend the slot - that is only useful to take credit if the flip is town, but doesn't advance the gamestateFarkran is back poggers-Alisae- Farkran
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In post 1517, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Anya is always like that.
Hmm, ok. I don't know anya. Does this match only their town meta, or both town and scum making it nai?In post 1519, Nero Cain wrote:
this. my only worry is that her "this feels like 3 scum" might be a kinda slip. like if this is MB then 2 3 man scum teams for a total of 6 scum make sense in a 24 player.In post 1517, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Anya is always like that.Farkran is back poggers-Alisae - Farkran
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