Dogs Vs. Cats Mafia | Endgame

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VOTE: Xofelf

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I probably will not be super around for the next 24/48 hours but then I should be very present.

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Hi, I'm here and reading

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Spoiler: catchup

I don’t like the vote on me from Andante in 19 and 21. Not sure if I am biased though because I have skimmed random pages to try to not fall to far behind and I think a wagon forms on this slot.

I like Raya for town because of 35, but someone tell me if Raya is really good at seeming natural as scum.

Ok maybe I don’t really care about Andante after all.

I went from thinking stuff like 99 was towny to now just thinking it is scummy again. So worried about Kazyan now.

Random thought, but is this multiball? I feel like it is.

Continued posting about dumb stuff from FB and Nero will be viewed as a way to avoid talking about anything real. If I recall correctly, FB did that in our last Shea game together long ago.

I like 165 from cake.

I like 188 from FB actually.

I agree with 197 from Chara but Chara is good scum so no town points for Chara unfortunately.

Hard to read opening from Pooky, I don’t really care enough atm to go reread the opening to our TM game. I’ll figure it out in ELO like Death Curse I guess.

Toadette you came after all <3 (I did have your ID spoiled during skimming). Xof can’t be scum though, we have to be pals. This does make the scenario of Toadette scum and Xof town very unlikely.

I like 317 from dwlee even though I’m less convinced 314 is scummy.

UNVOTE: xofelf

Hate these pile on votes.

VOTE: Kazyan

There’s 2 cults in this game isn’t there.

Would Pooky joke about being in a cult while actually being in a cult? The answer is obviously yes, but I’m kinda leaning town on Pooky. The problem is I’m not confident I can find Pooky scum. Alternatively, would Shea design a game where you have to publicly recruit during the day as cult? Also yes.

Farkran seems natural enough to me.

I hate 503.

577 suggests reading without posting from beeboy?

I also hate 587. Like a ton.

Dwlee we are still mindmelding after all this time, brings a smile to my face

No Norwee not you too.

Voting xof here is a mistake, I don’t think they are AI posting yet.

704 still don’t like any of Kaz’s posts.

I like 706 from Shiro.

Don’t really get why Nero is town but that’s ok.

I don’t think xof scum makes 759.

Thank you for 776, thought the same thing.

Kdowns town I think.

Anya has great posts by the way, idk if she is town but I’m really enjoying them.

Town block so far: Dwlee, Cake, xof, unwnd, kdowns, Dragons?

I was kinda skimming Raya catchup, but I like 915!

Oh hey it’s me I did it.

Nero seems fine actually.

UNVOTE: xofelf
VOTE: Kazyan

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i really don't like hearing this sort of thing from people i haven't played with. i know it's only one comment but try to actually read me before saying you can't because i can play scum.

I have specced at least 2 of your games I think, so it's not baseless.

Also, it was just for that particular comment.

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are you a cat murderer or a cat who murders

Scientists are still wondering

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I do like that post actually

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I'm just afraid it's a white knight

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I am voting Kaz at the moment. I thought there was some fake stuff even in that pro/anti posting list.

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so you like my post, and you worry i might be whiteknighting, but at the same time you think Kaz is scummy?

I was unclear, I liked the tone of the Kaz post you quoted, except that it could be that Kaz is white knighting which is why it still comes off genuine.

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I'd like to give beeboy some more time tbh

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I'd like to give beeboy some more time tbh

I'm just gonna state this now.

If beeboy gets replaced for inactivity or request I'm gonna be pushing to policy elim the slot so I don't want his teammates to get their hopes up that they can be saved by the bell or some shit

That seems very reasonable

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Time to catch up on 30 more pages, but I have a feeling we are just gunna yeet Titus?

Kinda a bummer tbh :/

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It is Unwd. And you're one of the more arrogant players i've met to think you've "caught me" because i made some light jokes in a game.

Also this is 100% town!norwee

I'm really back and forth on norwee right now

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I guess i just find it hard to believe Beeboy would literally just never post as scum? Isn't this borderline trust tell?

This is weird to me, after such a strong reaction against the wagon

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I feel the Cat would be sticking out to me as someone obvious to put in my TRs were he town and that didn't happen here

I don't really play until D3 of larges though, too hard to actually do anything

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the more I think about this post the more I dislike it

I kinda agree

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If it helps, I dunno who you are and it's clear you don't know me that well

If I'm ever revealed, you'll eat your words.

Im hesitant to town read you because of a recent game but as much as I'm hesitant I keep getting closer and oser to fleaheart!town

Bookmark, feeling sleepy. Will do a readslist in the morning, think I have like 6 or so solid townies.

VOTE: Titus

Probably going to be fine with this when I catch up.

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I see there's a wagon on me, I don't know what you guys want me to do, I'm constantly trying to catch up from 40 pages back

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MURDERCAT is also quite bad, only a handful of posts, a bad vote, and a voiced attempt at defending lurkers

That's not how town would approach that, if you think a lhf is being pushed you try to identify who's the scum behind it, you don't just defend the slot - that is only useful to take credit if the flip is town, but doesn't advance the gamestate

I said give time for beeboy to post, instead they got replaced so I voted there. I said to Pooky that it was reasonable to lim the slot if that happened

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raya came in to ask more undercover questions and then probably saw my excellent read on her and went prone again

the murdercat's also lurking around suspiciously

I'm not, I am posting when I have time to catch up for 2 hours and not really reading besides that

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murdercat is also highly divergent and heavily into his scum meta since he can't put three words together

Yo I did a whole freaking catchup post that was like 3 pages long

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he promised presents and hasn't delivered

I don't know what this is a reference to

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xofelf do you typically not vote?

From what I remember, yes

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VOTE: Xofelf

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I probably will not be super around for the next 24/48 hours but then I should provide presents.

murdercat's promises of presents: a lot

I'd like to give myself some time before delivering presents tbh

murdercat's delivered presents: none

Ah I see. I've been checking in every day since then so

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I think Norwee is very defensive but I'm not convinced that is scum-indicative.

This is also my feeling. Norwee is good at faking that kind of annoyance (or maybe he also just gets annoyed as scum sometimes). I used to think it was TAI but after FL's game I'm not sure I can read him consistently.

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Okay Murdercat, you just won The List. Now come back here and give us presents, you have no more excuses >:(

I was drunk off champagne

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I'm at Null[no content] on Murdercat currently where I am in my catchup, but I'm also aware I cannot read murdercat for the life of me

Have I played scum against you?

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I don't really think this is true? looking at back at Among Us for example

I got run up in that game too for the exact same thing??

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murdercat - what changed from 1196 "let's give beeboy more time" to 1948 "titus is doomed" and 1968 your vote on the slot?

Beeboy got replaced? And Pooky said going after that slot in that case should happen and I agreed. I don't really care who we elim as long as they are not on my town list.

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Ok. I am claiming now.

I am a cop that checks for Aliens.

I don't believe you actually but you are probably town anyway

UNVOTE:

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this is like a classic double troll

This makes me think Pooky is town

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i don't care for this wagon on murdercat.
Can the leader of doggos andante convince me with a rawrsing speech on how great it is

Hmm and I was just about to vote you

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murdercat 180s on the beeboy/titus slot in a way that seems opportunistic

I really don't like you shading me about this because it's a pretty big misrep

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{xofelf, unwnd, Dwlee99}
{Titus, sircakez, Nero Cain, kdowns}
{Brave Heart Lion, Farkran, NorwegianboyEE, pookythemagicalbear, raya36}
{Ivyeo, Chara, anya, shiro, Andante, Flea the magician}
{firebringer, toadette, flow trap, Save the Dragons, Kazyan}

Bottom row is nullscum not full scum. Top row is I'd bet the game on them being town.

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VOTE: murdercat

I'm not in Isis's iso at all besides this vote so I think I'll vote here

VOTE: Toadette

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i'm confused

what were you expecting beeboy to do? why would beeboy coming back make the slot not worth voting but a replacement is worth voting? how is that not opportunistic to target the replacement no matter what they had to say?

The case was that beeboy would not play as scum. Here is what I said about it:

I'd like to give beeboy some more time tbh

Implying that beeboy should be given more time to show up and come play.

I'd like to give beeboy some more time tbh

I'm just gonna state this now.

If beeboy gets replaced for inactivity or request I'm gonna be pushing to policy elim the slot so I don't want his teammates to get their hopes up that they can be saved by the bell or some shit

That seems very reasonable

On the page I had caught up to the general sentiment was that a policy lim would happen if beeboy was replaced. On the page I was posting on, I saw beeboy was replaced.

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Pooky would absolutely take towncred bussing Beeboy but hey I don't care who the red is

Especially not on D1

VOTE: Beeboy

VOTE: Beeboy

i support the beeboy wagon but i feel like the day can be spent on things besides voting someone who isn't here to react to it. but ending the day on a beeboy elimination is fine with me.

VOTE: Raya

hey, I have no better ideas at this current moment in time than a beeboy vote, so my vote can chill there

ATTENTION DUELISTS!

MY HAIR HAS DECIDED THAT WE ELIMINATE BEEBOY!

I believe that if Beeboy is just scum then not only do we eliminate scum but we garner reactions from partners as well. Limming inactive slots (especially in this case) is far more productive earlier on

So I take you don't want to clarify what you didn't understand and sweep the accusation under the rug? If that's a choice you make then I will read you on Beeboy's flip

Just going through the next few pages, I'm not making it up. There's dissent too but it seemed like that's the way things were heading.

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Titus will still have to give results so

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fake results

That are still good for reads

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I mean we will know tomorrow regardless, aliens have to kill her right?

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They have an power to obvtown pretty easily from early on but i'm not seeing that here.

I hope everyone in this game remembers this time because the exact same thing happened in among us.
I find it hard to keep track of a large number of players, especially if I end up behind in pages.
I'm Iago from Aladdin and I'm just a VT so hammer me.

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Booneytoonz

Oh yeah I forgot you were in that game

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Yeah, I’m not exactly thrilled with MCs iso. I’m gonna wait though to hammer.

Just do it, no point in waiting. Not gunna turn around so far into D1

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Why shade and not hammer then?

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VOTE: flow trap

This is fine for tomorrow, take a closer look at firebring too please

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Ah ok my fault for the misinterpretation

VOTE: firebringer

I'll put my vote here then

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Murdercat vote with me

I'm not sure Titus is scum though and her claim is better than mine. And even if it's a fake claim, her flip will be more valuable after she has to produce some fake results.

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yup

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Well as promised I am actually here now that I managed to catch up

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I'm Iago from Aladdin and I'm just a VT so hammer me.

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Murdercat=Crate Drum

I don't know what this means

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Is murder cat up for death? Titus is an alien cop? What now? Damn I did miss a lot

I am E-1, Titus claimed alien cop and I claimed VT

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Anya you are great

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Why does Titus even have to produce them if an alien roleblocker would be very expected really

Look if we all act like Titus is legit then the aliens will just kill her for us.

Good thing aliens can't read small text.

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I feel like Norwee would be voting me as scum here

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Aliens is a faction that only gets one kill all game, they might roleblock Titus indefinitely to really spend the kill where it counts.

I guess if we pretend Titus is obvtown in addition to cop then aliens would want to spend their one kill but oops too late I forgot to pretend that.

Can we just flip her

No toadette not in normal size text!!

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If I am going to vote Titus it's because of 577. It just reads to me like there was a message in the scum chat saying "hey come post now you are getting accused."

Would Beeboy have crumbed? Guess not considering there in 0 content in the iso?

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Flow is obvscum right

Could be

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VOTE: Titus

Better than me I guess.

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he woke up only after being voted when he let all the other wagons go through

I've posted consistently while catching up and now I am caught up

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Spoiler: fb quotes

I need to continously remind myself chara has fooled me as scum many times.

Cakez is a very different player these days then when i met him. He gives less fucks.
His development has been interesting to watch and i don't really have opinion if he would or wouldn't do that as scum.

Time will tell

I also kinda think that Norway and I are very similar and when we've been town together in the past he's just like nodded along with me. I think he voted Andante with me earlier but he hasn't been exactly like he's been in the past, imo. I might vote him but it would be mostly for revenge.

i feel norwee is in his scum zone but i can't put my finger on why i think that

Shiro is easier to read later in the game

i don't care for this wagon on murdercat.
Can the leader of doggos andante convince me with a rawrsing speech on how great it is

unwnd maybe im not reading the room very well right now. How will this help gamestate?

VOTE: Murdercat

Not enough conversation about FB, so putting this in my iso in case I flip. FB keeps doing this in between keeping options open for later thing I don't like.

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my hypothesis is that he thinks i'm a wolf and so a genuine push from me means it must be on a partner

but multiball

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If I were scum I'd be hard pushing norwee

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I'm Iago from Aladdin and I'm just a VT so hammer me.

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I feel like you know I'm town

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I gave them, look at FB closer

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Spoiler: fb quotes

I need to continously remind myself chara has fooled me as scum many times.

Cakez is a very different player these days then when i met him. He gives less fucks.
His development has been interesting to watch and i don't really have opinion if he would or wouldn't do that as scum.

Time will tell

I also kinda think that Norway and I are very similar and when we've been town together in the past he's just like nodded along with me. I think he voted Andante with me earlier but he hasn't been exactly like he's been in the past, imo. I might vote him but it would be mostly for revenge.

i feel norwee is in his scum zone but i can't put my finger on why i think that

Shiro is easier to read later in the game

i don't care for this wagon on murdercat.
Can the leader of doggos andante convince me with a rawrsing speech on how great it is

unwnd maybe im not reading the room very well right now. How will this help gamestate?

VOTE: Murdercat

Not enough conversation about FB, so putting this in my iso in case I flip. FB keeps doing this in between keeping options open for later thing I don't like.

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He did say he would be around less though, so I wouldn't weigh that too heavily

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VOTE: firebringer

come unwnd it's nice here

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If the game is anywhere close to a no elim I will self vote, there is plenty of time

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Why would anya white knight me?

Also xof does that, it's not weird

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Single vote in the whole iso: link

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And i am not buying that he had nothing to say before being runned up but now that he risked dying he has suddenly a lot of stuff to say

Once again, I haven't been caught up until now

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MC promised content and catchup, gave nothing.

?

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The game is starting to drag and when that happens it starts to get toxic so if I'm alive tomorrow morning I will just self vote. Let's put ourselves on a bit of a timeline here.

FB votes seem to be going nowhere which is fine, I wasn't expecting anything to happen until my flip anyway.

UNVOTE:

Can we all just name 5 people we'd be willing to vote today?

{FB, flow, shiro, Kazyan, Dragon} is my list

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Yeah but you are yeeting the player who you know is good at that pooky

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I'm not playing against my win condition

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Literally tomorrow, as in 18 hours from now

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Literally tomorrow, as in 18 hours from now

Yes, if tomorrow you are at e1 and no lim is at e1 you selfhammer as vt and that moves you towards your win condition??

I'd be happy to discuss post game

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I am not, I am a VT

My goal is to organize town

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i'm 20 pages behind
why is murder not dead yet

Why are there any votes on me when the case was I don't play as scum (which isn't even accurate) and I've been here all day now that I'm caught up?

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Who do you want to wagon, Titus? Let's try to make that happen then instead of getting upset at me for trying to avoid being yeeted

VOTE: Titus

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{xofelf, unwnd, Dwlee99}
{Titus, sircakez, Nero Cain, kdowns}
{Brave Heart Lion, Farkran, NorwegianboyEE, pookythemagicalbear, raya36}
{Ivyeo, Chara, anya, shiro, Andante, Flea the magician}
{firebringer, toadette, flow trap, Save the Dragons, Kazyan}

Bottom row is nullscum not full scum. Top row is I'd bet the game on them being town.

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kdowns is lower now and Toadette is higher

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Was hoping for a little more than a reads list.

You are welcome to ask about anyone, I gave thoughts when catching up and explained why I don't like fb

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There's nothing significant that's been brought up and commented on that I remember, a reads list is awesome for knowing a players position but it gives little insight. Justification for the strongest SR/TR would be amazing and let me get some insight.

I literally did this for FB

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also this is the same defeatist attitude MURDERCAT had in Team Mafia as scum

I was town LMAO

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There is no case on me people are just voting me because there's vote on me and they want someone to vote it sucks

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I have not historically read cake well soon wouldn't put a lot of weight in it

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In among us (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=85156) I found him as scum early (and eventually let the read go) based on tone. I then read cake very badly in team mafia. But I think I've learned from team mafia what stuff actually makes cake scum and it's a lack of genuineness in his tone whereas in this game I think there were places I noticed him being more genuine during my first catchup.

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ppl were scum reading you b/c you were less active.

as for myself when you said something along the lines of "I don't participate much till d3." and I I know that FL does that as scum, and prob as town too. It's just generally a bad anti-town stance.

Weren't you the backup mod for death curse? It was a joke lol

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I was but I don't see what that has to do with anything.

I put in a lot of effort into that game

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MESSAGE FOR POOKY ONLY!!!!

Spoiler: ONLY POOKY CAN CLICK THIS!!11!

Pooky remember what we've had and be honest, am I getting 2170'd right now?

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E-1

still face up town

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A nice consolation

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I can't find the list thing, but I don't really have that big a list. I'd be willing to vote essientally anyone who hasn't been obv town rn

Can you justify your vote on me?

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{xofelf, unwnd, Dwlee99}
{sircakez, Nero Cain, toadette}
{Brave Heart Lion, Farkran, NorwegianboyEE, raya36}
{Chara, anya, Andante, pookythemagicalbear, Titus}
{firebringer, kdowns, shiro, Flea the magician}
{Ivyeo, Kazyan, Save the Dragons, flow trap}

Something like this?

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that was not the full case

What is the full case. Because I just asked someone and they said "I don't know you have votes."

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@Isis If I'm getting hammered anyway, I wouldn't have actually self-hammered. I would probably have self-voted to try to reduce pressure, but not if it was hammer (unless it was that or no elim).

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Why are you against murdercat who is e-1?

Can you justify your vote on me?

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so no, ok 3/3 for people voting me with no (or wrong) reasoning

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also this is the same defeatist attitude MURDERCAT had in Team Mafia as scum

I was town LMAO

I can't find the list thing, but I don't really have that big a list. I'd be willing to vote essientally anyone who hasn't been obv town rn

Can you justify your vote on me?

tbh, no not really. You haven't stood out as towny to me and you're the top wagon

Why are you against murdercat who is e-1?

Can you justify your vote on me?

I'm not yeeting titus, and apparantly you're the only yeet we can get who isn't titus

Town voting for me, these are the people you are voting with

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Murdercat it’s pretty obvious ur wagon is full of people who are just compromising. I don’t think u need to question each person for that to be pretty obvious

Well cakez isn’t compromise

My point is everyone is compromising, no one actually thinks I'm scum

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Cake literally said I acted the same way as town and is still conf biased into voting me (or is just scum)

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I'd vote norwee to save myself

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VOTE: norwee

sorry if you are town friend

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I don't think I would yeet anyone, but norwee isn't close to lock town level for me

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I'm Iago from Aladdin and I'm just a VT so hammer me.

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don't be like this if you're town, you know your alignment more than any other player.

I am very good at surviving wagons as town

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Almostly definitely scum on this, but hopefully multiball

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lol baited

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murder

I should have a pretty low chance of being mafia here, but it's possible I am a different faction I suppose.

Should be pretty easy to look through norwee iso and find other contenders.

Also, I didn't mention this yesterday, but the fact that town is now confirmed to be not cats or dogs means that we are definitely looking at multiball in case anyone failed to piece that together. I assume dogs are werewolves because flavor. So that's two kills explained. Could there also be aliens? I don't know I wouldn't be surprised I guess. But why does Titus ever get a result here??

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Wait Nero got role blocked? No way Nero shoots unwnd right?

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maybe it's bastard and that cats and dogs are just all on a team together

norwee doesn't die like that then I don't think

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pedit: true, if there was an alien faction with a single kill available (if that's how it would work??) i would want to use it on the alien cop.

plus aliens usually have a roleblocker for flavor

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i think Andante should claim how her role corroborates Titus's.

Agree

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Spoiler: Some Choice Norwee quotes

I think at least 1 scum is in the "I hate all this content" cause scum has to follow along with it, town can skim, say they won't back read, so what, ask someone for a TLDR later, like, yeah

Many ISOs to review to figure out who said they hate this content then. Here gooooes

Pro-posting:
- Andante
- Nero
- Flow Trap
- unwnd
- Chara

Anti-posting:
- SirCakez
- Beeboy?
- Kazyan

More later.

This random effort feels pretty townie from kazyan.

Was this helpful? Probably not.

who cares?

Sircakez town.

I don't think xolfelf's response was necessarily scummy. And it sounds like a classic case of a dumb tell that's used on a town that get's really annoyed by it.

VOTE: Andante

This blind vote on a rising wagon is concerning me.

Andante has very wolfy confidence with how they're saying we need to keep up their votes on them.

But what if someone vigs Beeboy and we vote someone that will react more to pressure instead.

In fact, if Beeboy is scum Pooky could be scum. Because it'd be a lot of cred for eliminating an non-participating teammate that would prob die anyway.

Kazyan [4] raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat, save the dragons
shiro [4] farkran, andante, toadette, sircakez
Andante [3] Nero Cain, dwlee99, kdowns
Beeboy [3] pooky, unwnd, kazyan [4] raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat, save the dragons shiro [4] farkran, andante, toadette, sircakez Andante [3] Nero Cain, dwlee99, kdowns Beeboy [3] pooky, unwnd, kazyan

Best wagon lineup.
VOTE: Shiro
Too tired to read all the new pages. Will do tommorow.

Did anyone claim to be a cat or dog yet? I haven't read everything so i might have missed it.

GUYS. YOU ARE LITERALLY ONLY VOTING TITUS BECAUSE OF THE BEEBOY "META" step back for 1 second and consider this being town.

not after the claim

And I'm telling all of you, based on my role pm, I 100% believe Titus. And I'm certain someone here has to also have this info, unless I'm just informed, which could work, idk. I'm not outing stuff. I believe Titus.

I like this VOTE: Dwlee

Why Dwlee btw? They haven't pinged me as scummy.

Actually i haven't liked Flow Trap at all and his ISO is just filled with one-liners. But whatever, who cares about my reads.

NorwegianboyEE can you give me reads?

I'm stuck with a problem that I don't really SR your wagon, I don't see much content from you, but I don't see why scum you doesn't want me dead?

Andante is town for their activity and general behavior around the wagons recently. It doesn't strike me as opportunistic at all.
Flow Trap's got scummy ISO of high posts and yet not really having much content at all. Their tone is just bad.
Unwnd is pretty townie imo with how impatient they are, i don't really think scum!them would be acting so chill and solvey initially and then just start screaming for us to eliminate someone already, it kinda reminds me of how i played in the 50 player large hosted a while back ago. And i understand their logic, that if we don't eliminate at some point soon the entire game will become an unreadable mess. It's just that these current leading wagon options have been bad from my POV.
I've liked Farkrans insistence on me being town for their meta tell, but honestly i'm also paranoid if they're trying to buddy me again as they did pretty well in our latest game.
Nero Cain generally just feels like town Nero Cain, not too worried about them. Though i don't agree with their Andante read anymore.

Uhh yeah, that's the major slots that's been on my mind lately. Not gonna get much more from me today i think.

[MURDERCAT]

Based on those quotes I am very nervous about Kaz, think cake is at least not aligned with mafia, think Dragons is not aligned with mafia, think Andante is not aligned with mafia, think Titus could be mafia aligned, think Shiro is not aligned with mafia, and I'm worried about flow trap.

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: Kaz posts about norwee

SirCakez and Norwegianboy's votes for Andante look super opportunistic and weak to me, though they are almost definitely not scum together. SirCakez's explanation for the vote seems particularly like a made-up reason for me, in absence of having an actually good reason to scumread someone.

VOTE: SirCakez

I don't understand why we should ever eliminate a slot that doesn't even post. The allignment indicative information we'd get out of that flip if scum is zero to none. And if they flip town it's even worse.

Sticking this in my ISO for later.

I don't understand why we should ever eliminate a slot that doesn't even post. The allignment indicative information we'd get out of that flip if scum is zero to none. And if they flip town it's even worse.

But what if someone vigs Beeboy and we vote someone that will react more to pressure instead.

I mean if i was scum and i had someone like Beeboy as scum partner i would just buss him and say everyone who didn't vote him is scum.

This is strange. NBEE suggests that 1) flipping Beeboy would give no information, 2) that we wait for to see if we have a vigilante, and 3) that well, maybe the scum are just trying to bus Beeboy. What I'm seeing is that NBEE has no consistent townread rationale for disagreeing with the Beeboy wagon, and is simply trying very hard to save Beeboy.

If Beeboy flips scum, we should seriously consider whether NBEE was trying to save a scumbuddy here.

Policy lim lurkers, jesus. You're definitely new around here aren't you.

Just tell me to go fuck myself next time instead of being passive-aggressive.

In fact, if Beeboy is scum Pooky could be scum. Because it'd be a lot of cred for eliminating an non-participating teammate that would prob die anyway.

For reference, Pooky had a comment about this consideration earlier.

I guess i just find it hard to believe Beeboy would literally just never post as scum? Isn't this borderline trust tell?

OK so you're not even reading. Bonus.

NBEE also did this when suggesting that scum could be bussing Beeboy after Pooky specifically addressed that argument earlier.

I kinda can't blame NBEE for not wanting to read 75 pages of text tho

@Kazyan, I'd like to see a readslist from you. Reasonless is fine.

You got it.

Townread

:
unwnd
Flea the magician
Nero
SirCakez

Townlean

:
xofelf
Andante
Firebringer

Null

:
Pooky
Murdercat
kdowns
Fark
Brave Heart Lion

Who are you people?

:
Raya
Shiro

I'm Particularly Confused About

:
flow trap
Chara
Dwlee99

Scumlean

:
Iyveo
Save The Dragons
NBEE
Toadette

Scumread

:
Anya
Beeboy/Titus

Closing the tab did not help and it looks like if I step away for an hour, I will come back to another 10 pages jfc

I think Andante might be genuine here; if she were scum fighting this hard to save Titus and then Titus flipped red, Andante would get yeeted on Day 2 or maybe vigged during the night. That would be too risky of a play, I think

Titus and Andante are either in two different scum teams, or are both town.

VOTE: NBEE

VOTE: Anya to make this sporting

Fiiiiine

VOTE: Murdercat

VOTE: NBEE

kazyan you've voted norway before, why is murdercat a better option?

Oh, it's definitely not. NBEE is tied for the leading wagon now, so now I won't get chewed out for lack of commitment! VOTE: NBEE

What's norwee at? I will absolutely Not_Mafia style hammer

Also if Norwee is scum Fark is scum with him, sentiment still applies!

Dooooo it

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: Kaz votes with VCs

VoteCount 1.34

Titus [8]

pooky, firebringer, flow trap, MURDERCAT, anya, Brave Heart Lion, unwnd, sircakez

NorwegianboyEE [8]

shiro, flea the magician, toadette, save the dragons, raya36, Ivyeo, andante, titus

Andante [2]

Nero Cain, kdowns

shiro [1]

norwegianboyEE

anya [1]

dwlee99

raya36 [1]

chara

Murdercat [1]

farkran

pookythemagicalbear [1]

kazyan

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

Closing the tab did not help and it looks like if I step away for an hour, I will come back to another 10 pages jfc

I think Andante might be genuine here; if she were scum fighting this hard to save Titus and then Titus flipped red, Andante would get yeeted on Day 2 or maybe vigged during the night. That would be too risky of a play, I think

Titus and Andante are either in two different scum teams, or are both town.

VOTE: NBEE

VoteCount 1.35

NorwegianboyEE [8]

shiro, flea the magician, toadette, save the dragons, raya36, Ivyeo, titus, kazyan

Titus [6]

pooky, firebringer, MURDERCAT, anya, Brave Heart Lion, unwnd

shiro [2]

sircakez, farkran

Andante [2]

Nero Cain, kdowns

anya [1]

dwlee99

raya36 [1]

chara

Kazyan [1]

andante

flow trap [1]

norwegianboyEE

Dwlee99 [1]

flow trap

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VoteCount 1.36

NorwegianboyEE [8]

shiro, flea the magician, toadette, save the dragons, raya36, Ivyeo, kazyan, nero cain

Titus [6]

pooky, firebringer, MURDERCAT, anya, Brave Heart Lion, unwnd

shiro [2]

sircakez, farkran

anya [2]

dwlee99, titus

raya36 [1]

chara

Kazyan [1]

andante

flow trap [1]

norwegianboyEE

Dwlee99 [1]

flow trap

pookythemagicalbear [1]

kdowns

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VoteCount 1.37

NorwegianboyEE [6]

shiro, flea the magician, raya36, Ivyeo, kazyan, nero cain

Murdercat [6]

Save the dragons, farkran, andante, pooky, toadette, unwnd

Titus [4]

firebringer, MURDERCAT, anya, Brave Heart Lion

anya [2]

dwlee99, titus

shiro [1]

sircakez

raya36 [1]

chara

flow trap [1]

norwegianboyEE

Dwlee99 [1]

flow trap

pookythemagicalbear [1]

kdowns

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: Anya to make this sporting

VOTE: Anya to make this sporting

Kaz help end the day not divide it

Fiiiiine

VOTE: Murdercat

VoteCount 1.38

Murdercat [9]

Save the dragons, farkran, andante, pooky, toadette, unwnd, firebringer, kazyan, sircakez

NorwegianboyEE [5]

shiro, flea the magician, raya36, Ivyeo, nero cain

Titus [3]

MURDERCAT, anya, Brave Heart Lion

anya [2]

dwlee99, titus

raya36 [1]

chara

flow trap [1]

norwegianboyEE

Dwlee99 [1]

flow trap

pookythemagicalbear [1]

kdowns

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VoteCount 1.41

Murdercat [ 9 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, kazyan, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, unwnd, ivyeo

Titus [ 4 ]

anya, toadette, flow trap, flea the magician

firebringer [ 4 ]

andante, titus, save the dragons, MURDERCAT

NorwegianboyEE [ 3 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

flow trap [ 1 ]

norwegianboyEE

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VoteCount 1.43

Murdercat [ 8 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, unwnd, ivyeo

firebringer [ 4 ]

andante, titus, save the dragons, MURDERCAT

NorwegianboyEE [ 4 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, flow trap

Titus [ 3 ]

anya, toadette, flea the magician

anya [ 2 ]

dwlee99, kazyan,

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

flow trap [ 1 ]

norwegianboyEE

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: NBEE

VoteCount 1.46

Murdercat [ 10 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, ivyeo, norwegianboyEE, kazyan, flow trap

NorwegianboyEE [ 4 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, save the dragons

Titus [ 4 ]

anya, toadette, flea the magician, unwnd

firebringer [ 2 ]

andante, titus

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

Not Voting [ 2 ]

xofelf, murdercat

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VoteCount 1.50

Murdercat [ 10 ]

farkran, pooky, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, norwegianboyEE, kazyan, flow trap, unwnd, andante

NorwegianboyEE [ 8 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, save the dragons, anya, firebringer, ivyeo, MURDERCAT

Titus [ 2 ]

toadette, flea the magician

firebringer [ 1 ]

titus

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

kazyan you've voted norway before, why is murdercat a better option?

Oh, it's definitely not. NBEE is tied for the leading wagon now, so now I won't get chewed out for lack of commitment! VOTE: NBEE

What's norwee at? I will absolutely Not_Mafia style hammer

Also if Norwee is scum Fark is scum with him, sentiment still applies!

Dooooo it

[MURDERCAT]

murderkitty, I'm made of sleepy and while I read all the things that you quoted, I'm gonna need you to explain to me like I'm 5 *why* those quotes lead you to your conclusion list please?

Ok I can write stuff up later about it

[MURDERCAT]

do you think it's singleball, or did you mean "aligned with Norwee"?

Aligned with norwee, where dogs are werewolves

(so still believe it is multiball)

[MURDERCAT]

Why don't you think cakez is with norway again?

I think 658 is a pocket attempt, not a partner

[MURDERCAT]

Kaz votes don't stick out to me as super aligned with norwee scum, so gunna look at flow trap

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: flow quotes involving norwee

Btw i will NOT be as hyperposty as usual, because i am working an 9 to 5 job weekly. Before i had a lot more time for mafia.

Or is it because you don't want to be sus

I don't want to play hero or seem like I need to defend people but Andante being called scum is baffling. I think people are really annoyed about her spam and think maybe she just has nothing to say, yet I see a lot of method into it. You could even compare and contrast this thought as to why I didn't like Kaz. Andante sees something she doesn't like and much like a dog starts barking at trouble. Kaz however sits back and uses opposable thumbs to make Pro/Anti lists that generate no purpose beyond discussing a potential what-if topic. What if scum are anti-posters? What if town are pro-posters? Who knows. Even he himself initially said 'will this help anyone? probably not'

Humans are the enemy

this is a very towny post

Just because they defend you?

Why do you assume that?

VOTE: Andante

I see nothing wrong with this

VOTE: norwegianboyEE

Btw @Flow Trap
How is my vote the worst on the wagon? I literally explained why i didn’t like and voted Andante. And just because i found one of the votes on Andante scummy doesn’t mean Andante is not scum either. For all we know this could be multiball with this many players and the theme.

Where did I say that?

VOTE: Ivyeo

Yeah, Norwee's vote isn't that bad looking at it

I don't like it but not as in scummy

I mean if i was scum and i had someone like Beeboy as scum partner i would just buss him and say everyone who didn't vote him is scum.

That's kind of silly

GUYS. YOU ARE LITERALLY ONLY VOTING TITUS BECAUSE OF THE BEEBOY "META" step back for 1 second and consider this being town.

not after the claim

And I'm telling all of you, based on my role pm, I 100% believe Titus. And I'm certain someone here has to also have this info, unless I'm just informed, which could work, idk. I'm not outing stuff. I believe Titus.

I like this VOTE: Dwlee

Why Dwlee btw? They haven't pinged me as scummy.

Spontanious decision

Would you say I have an informed perspective?

What is this question??

Maybe it's a breadcrumb?

If given the ultimate choice i'd execute Flow Trap atm. I feel they have highest chance of flipping scum in all of my reads.

I have a 100% chance of flipping town if you shoot me day 1

Anya join me on norwey, fkow and toad do so as well. We can be heroes and kill scum instead of letting animal abuse continue.

VOTE: Norwee

Sus gang!

Did norwee peace out ._.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

VOTE: Norwee

[MURDERCAT]

murdercat will u be my subordinate today

Sure as long as you make good decisions

[MURDERCAT]

Well it's more like... xoffy brains say a quiet noooo at walls of text that are just quotes without explanations or reactions about what I'm supposed to be following in said quotes. I'm happy for the map, but where is the stupid key and scale so I can use it. That's all <3

Honestly, I quote the posts so they are easy to look at for me moreso than anyone else, they aren't required reading <3

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: FT votes with VCs

VoteCount 1.14

Andante [6]

Nero Cain, norwegianboyEE, dwlee99, save the dragons, sircakez, farkran

Kazyan [2]

raya36, anya

xofelf [2]

MURDERCAT, toadette

toadette [2]

flea, flow trap

Farkran [2]

unwnd, chara

Nero Cain [1]

ivyeo

Beeboy [1]

pooky

sircakez [1]

kazyan

kdowns [1]

Andante

anya [1]

firebringer

Ivyeo [1]

shiro

Not Voting [4]

Beeboy, Brave Heart Lion, kdowns, xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: Kazyan

VOTE: Ivyeo

VOTE: norwegianboyEE

VOTE: Ivyeo

Yeah, Norwee's vote isn't that bad looking at it

I don't like it but not as in scummy

VoteCount 1.15

Andante [6]

Nero Cain, norwegianboyEE, dwlee99, save the dragons, sircakez, farkran

Kazyan [3]

raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat

Beeboy [2]

pooky, unwnd

Farkran [2]

chara, anya

xofelf [1]

toadette

kdowns [1]

Andante

NorwegianboyEE [1]

shiro

flow trap [1]

kazyan

anya [1]

firebringer

Ivyeo [1]

flow trap

toadette [1]

flea

Not Voting [4]

Beeboy, kdowns, xofelf, ivyeo

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

By the way my current opinion is that the kazyan wagon is scumdriven, i cannot believe for a second that he is being scumread for trying to organize the thread

Out of all the possible reasons to vote anyone, choosing to vote for busywork is terrible, and the wagon growing so high is opportunistic at best

Can we have a vc?

Mod note: I'm pretty nifty with regular vote counts, but not usually at 4 am while I am asleep.

VOTE: Beeboy

UNVOTE: Beeboy

I don't trust you Anda

VOTE: Save the Dragons

Placeholder/positioning

VoteCount 1.20

Andante [4]

Nero Cain, dwlee99, farkran, kdowns

Kazyan [4]

raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat, sircakez

Beeboy [4]

pooky, unwnd, kazyan, andante

NorwegianboyEE [3]

shiro, save the dragons, flea

Save the Dragons [2]

norwegianboyee, flow trap

Farkran [1]

anya

xofelf [1]

toadette

anya [1]

firebringer

raya36 [1]

chara

Not Voting [3]

Beeboy, xofelf, ivyeo

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: Beeboy

VoteCount 1.30

NorwegianboyEE [6]

shiro, flea the magician, toadette, anya, save the dragons, raya36

Beeboy [5]

pooky, unwnd, kazyan, firebringer, flow trap

shiro [4]

farkran, andante, sircakez, norwegianboyEE

Andante [3]

Nero Cain, dwlee99, kdowns

Kazyan [3]

brave heart lion, murdercat

raya36 [1]

chara

Not Voting [ 3 ]

Beeboy, xofelf, ivyeo

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: Andante

GUYS. YOU ARE LITERALLY ONLY VOTING TITUS BECAUSE OF THE BEEBOY "META" step back for 1 second and consider this being town.

Done

VOTE: Andate

GUYS. YOU ARE LITERALLY ONLY VOTING TITUS BECAUSE OF THE BEEBOY "META" step back for 1 second and consider this being town.

not after the claim

And I'm telling all of you, based on my role pm, I 100% believe Titus. And I'm certain someone here has to also have this info, unless I'm just informed, which could work, idk. I'm not outing stuff. I believe Titus.

I like this VOTE: Dwlee

VoteCount 1.39

Murdercat [9]

Save the dragons, farkran, andante, pooky, toadette, unwnd, firebringer, kazyan, sircakez

NorwegianboyEE [5]

shiro, flea the magician, raya36, Ivyeo, nero cain

Titus [2]

anya, Brave Heart Lion

anya [2]

dwlee99, titus

raya36 [1]

chara

flow trap [1]

norwegianboyEE

Dwlee99 [1]

flow trap

pookythemagicalbear [1]

kdowns

toadette [1]

MURDERCAT

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

Anya join me on norwey, fkow and toad do so as well. We can be heroes and kill scum instead of letting animal abuse continue.

VOTE: Norwee

Sus gang!

VOTE: Titus

VoteCount 1.40

Murdercat [9]

Save the dragons, farkran, andante, pooky, firebringer, kazyan, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns

Titus [6]

anya, toadette, murdercat, flow trap, flea the magician, unwnd

NorwegianboyEE [3]

shiro, raya36, nero cain

anya [2]

dwlee99, titus

raya36 [1]

chara

flow trap [1]

norwegianboyEE

Not Voting [ 2 ]

xofelf, ivyeo

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: Anya

VoteCount 1.42

Murdercat [ 8 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, unwnd, ivyeo

firebringer [ 4 ]

andante, titus, save the dragons, MURDERCAT

Titus [ 3 ]

anya, toadette, flea the magician

NorwegianboyEE [ 3 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain

anya [ 3 ]

dwlee99, kazyan, flow trap

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

flow trap [ 1 ]

norwegianboyEE

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

VoteCount 1.43

Murdercat [ 8 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, unwnd, ivyeo

firebringer [ 4 ]

andante, titus, save the dragons, MURDERCAT

NorwegianboyEE [ 4 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, flow trap

Titus [ 3 ]

anya, toadette, flea the magician

anya [ 2 ]

dwlee99, kazyan,

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

flow trap [ 1 ]

norwegianboyEE

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: Murdercat

Edit: E-2, I believe

VoteCount 1.45

Murdercat [ 11 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, unwnd, ivyeo, norwegianboyEE, kazyan, flow trap

NorwegianboyEE [ 4 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, save the dragons

Titus [ 3 ]

anya, toadette, flea the magician

firebringer [ 2 ]

andante, titus

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

Not Voting [ 2 ]

xofelf, murdercat

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: FB

VoteCount 1.47

Murdercat [ 9 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, ivyeo, norwegianboyEE, kazyan

Titus [ 5 ]

anya, toadette, flea the magician, unwnd, MURDERCAT

NorwegianboyEE [ 4 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, save the dragons

firebringer [ 3 ]

andante, titus, flow trap

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: Murdercat

VoteCount 1.48

Murdercat [ 10 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, ivyeo, norwegianboyEE, kazyan, flow trap

Titus [ 5 ]

anya, toadette, flea the magician, unwnd, MURDERCAT

firebringer [ 3 ]

andante, titus, save the dragons

NorwegianboyEE [ 3 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf,

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VoteCount 1.50

Murdercat [ 10 ]

farkran, pooky, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, norwegianboyEE, kazyan, flow trap, unwnd, andante

NorwegianboyEE [ 8 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, save the dragons, anya, firebringer, ivyeo, MURDERCAT

Titus [ 2 ]

toadette, flea the magician

firebringer [ 1 ]

titus

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: Norwee

VoteCount 1.51

NorwegianboyEE [ 11 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, save the dragons, anya, firebringer, ivyeo, MURDERCAT, flow trap, kazyan, chara

Murdercat [ 8 ]

farkran, pooky, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, norwegianboyEE, unwnd, andante

Titus [ 2 ]

toadette, flea the magician

firebringer [ 1 ]

titus

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

This vc has been edited to fix an incorrect total of votes on NorwegianboyEE. It originally said 12.

[MURDERCAT]

Fair, but you put them behind a spoiler, and spoilers mean oooo click! But really, it does organize a lot of stuff real well so I do like it. I think I've seen you do this before, is this sort of your thing?

Partner association plus VCA I would say is probably my main form of analysis yeah

[MURDERCAT]

Idk that's kind of weak for pocketing?

Maybe I am being biased in favor of cake town

[MURDERCAT]

I feel like I dunno what xofelf is but I think they're never third party

You not thinking xof is town is super weirding me out

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: Flow Trap

Ok those votes I posted look REALLY bad for flow trap imo, gunna write it up a bit cleaner

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: flow trap write up

VOTE: norwegianboyEE

The theme here is going to be, votes for norwee only when it is “safe” to do so

Vote:norwegianboyEE

Worst vote on a bad wagon.

Rodent friends rise against the cats. No longer shall we lie down to be eaten. Today we fight back.

VOTE: Ivyeo

Yeah, Norwee's vote isn't that bad looking at it

I don't like it but not as in scummy

As pressure on norwee goes up, flow hops off

VoteCount 1.15

Andante [6]

Nero Cain, norwegianboyEE, dwlee99, save the dragons, sircakez, farkran

Kazyan [3]

raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat

Beeboy [2]

pooky, unwnd

Farkran [2]

chara, anya

xofelf [1]

toadette

kdowns [1]

Andante

NorwegianboyEE [1]

shiro

flow trap [1]

kazyan

anya [1]

firebringer

Ivyeo [1]

flow trap

toadette [1]

flea

Not Voting [4]

Beeboy, kdowns, xofelf, ivyeo

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

By the way my current opinion is that the kazyan wagon is scumdriven, i cannot believe for a second that he is being scumread for trying to organize the thread

Out of all the possible reasons to vote anyone, choosing to vote for busywork is terrible, and the wagon growing so high is opportunistic at best

Can we have a vc?

Mod note: I'm pretty nifty with regular vote counts, but not usually at 4 am while I am asleep.

VoteCount 1.19

Andante [4]

Nero Cain, dwlee99, sircakez, farkran

Kazyan [3]

raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat

Beeboy [3]

pooky, unwnd, kazyan

NorwegianboyEE [3]

shiro, save the dragons, flea

Farkran [2]

chara, anya

xofelf [1]

toadette

kdowns [1]

Andante

anya [1]

firebringer

Ivyeo [1]

flow trap

Save the Dragons [1]

norwegianboyee

Not Voting [ 4 ]

Beeboy, kdowns, xofelf, ivyeo

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

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VOTE: Beeboy

UNVOTE: Beeboy

I don't trust you Anda

Flow has a ton of these votes that are accomplishing nothing.

VOTE: Save the Dragons

Placeholder/positioning

Where does this vote even come from? Interestingly, flow is voting with norwee here.

VoteCount 1.20

Andante [4]

Nero Cain, dwlee99, farkran, kdowns

Kazyan [4]

raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat, sircakez

Beeboy [4]

pooky, unwnd, kazyan, andante

NorwegianboyEE [3]

shiro, save the dragons, flea

Save the Dragons [2]

norwegianboyee, flow trap

Farkran [1]

anya

xofelf [1]

toadette

anya [1]

firebringer

raya36 [1]

chara

Not Voting [3]

Beeboy, xofelf, ivyeo

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VoteCount 1.29

NorwegianboyEE [5]

shiro, flea the magician, toadette, anya, save the dragons

shiro [4]

farkran, andante, norwegianboyee , sircakez

Andante [3]

Nero Cain, dwlee99, kdowns

Kazyan [3]

raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat

Beeboy [3]

pooky, unwnd, kazyan

Save the Dragons [1]

flow trap

raya36 [1]

chara

anya [1]

firebringer

Not Voting [ 3 ]

Beeboy, xofelf, ivyeo

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: Beeboy

Taking a super quick look at the leading wagons since I don't actually have much for thoughts on a couple.

Norwegian: First content post was voting Andante (which is a wagon I disagree with), second was townreading kazy (which is a townread I disagree with). What was it from xofelf you thought was a dumbtell? Says a blind vote on a rising wagon is concerning although he voted andante blank without caring how many votes were there, and then also blank votes a few posts later. That was already addressed though. I don't really think the pushes he made on Andante are very good. Like the interpretation in 1017. Voted STD for opportunistically joining his wagon (I do think someone mentioned town Norwegian gets defensive like this though). We kind of have the same stance on beeboy.
Shiro: There's not much to say until the readslist. Not that it's necessarily AI, but I do think they genuinely want to participate more. I'd like to see some reasoning on the confident townreads. For the scumreads too.
Andante: I think I've already talked enough about Andante.
Kazyan: I think I've also talked enough about Kazy
Beeboy: Waiting for the replacement would be ideal. I'm just not fully convinced this is scum!beeboy rather than busy and overwhelmed by this massive thread beeboy.

VOTE: norwegian
Gonne move here for a bit

VOTE: Beeboy

Reacts to norwee pressure with a vote to the counterwagon.

VoteCount 1.30

NorwegianboyEE [6]

shiro, flea the magician, toadette, anya, save the dragons, raya36

Beeboy [5]

pooky, unwnd, kazyan, firebringer, flow trap

shiro [4]

farkran, andante, sircakez, norwegianboyEE

Andante [3]

Nero Cain, dwlee99, kdowns

Kazyan [3]

brave heart lion, murdercat

raya36 [1]

chara

Not Voting [ 3 ]

Beeboy, xofelf, ivyeo

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VoteCount 1.34

Titus [8]

pooky, firebringer, flow trap, MURDERCAT, anya, Brave Heart Lion, unwnd, sircakez

NorwegianboyEE [8]

shiro, flea the magician, toadette, save the dragons, raya36, Ivyeo, andante, titus

Andante [2]

Nero Cain, kdowns

shiro [1]

norwegianboyEE

anya [1]

dwlee99

raya36 [1]

chara

Murdercat [1]

farkran

pookythemagicalbear [1]

kazyan

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: Andante

GUYS. YOU ARE LITERALLY ONLY VOTING TITUS BECAUSE OF THE BEEBOY "META" step back for 1 second and consider this being town.

Done

VOTE: Andate

I can’t tell if this is a joke but I find forgetting who you are voting to be pretty scummy

GUYS. YOU ARE LITERALLY ONLY VOTING TITUS BECAUSE OF THE BEEBOY "META" step back for 1 second and consider this being town.

not after the claim

And I'm telling all of you, based on my role pm, I 100% believe Titus. And I'm certain someone here has to also have this info, unless I'm just informed, which could work, idk. I'm not outing stuff. I believe Titus.

I like this VOTE: Dwlee

Vote just makes no sense

I'm getting tired, there's nothing to say. I don't know why i'm the one being wagoned, i just am. And i don't think Titus is scum.
Shrug.
Eliminate this when i flip?
VOTE: Flow Trap

This is where it looks like norwee is about to go.

VoteCount 1.35

NorwegianboyEE [8]

shiro, flea the magician, toadette, save the dragons, raya36, Ivyeo, titus, kazyan

Titus [6]

pooky, firebringer, MURDERCAT, anya, Brave Heart Lion, unwnd

shiro [2]

sircakez, farkran

Andante [2]

Nero Cain, kdowns

anya [1]

dwlee99

raya36 [1]

chara

Kazyan [1]

andante

flow trap [1]

norwegianboyEE

Dwlee99 [1]

flow trap

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VoteCount 1.39

Murdercat [9]

Save the dragons, farkran, andante, pooky, toadette, unwnd, firebringer, kazyan, sircakez

NorwegianboyEE [5]

shiro, flea the magician, raya36, Ivyeo, nero cain

Titus [2]

anya, Brave Heart Lion

anya [2]

dwlee99, titus

raya36 [1]

chara

flow trap [1]

norwegianboyEE

Dwlee99 [1]

flow trap

pookythemagicalbear [1]

kdowns

toadette [1]

MURDERCAT

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

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Anya join me on norwey, fkow and toad do so as well. We can be heroes and kill scum instead of letting animal abuse continue.

VOTE: Norwee

Sus gang!

Pressure is off norwee so this is a safe vote again.

VOTE: Titus

Better than me I guess.

VOTE: Titus

Flow has a lot of these naked sheep votes to vanity wagons or CWs to norwee. Flow seems to not want to vote for me here where there is no pressure on norwee.

VoteCount 1.40

Murdercat [9]

Save the dragons, farkran, andante, pooky, firebringer, kazyan, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns

Titus [6]

anya, toadette, murdercat, flow trap, flea the magician, unwnd

NorwegianboyEE [3]

shiro, raya36, nero cain

anya [2]

dwlee99, titus

raya36 [1]

chara

flow trap [1]

norwegianboyEE

Not Voting [ 2 ]

xofelf, ivyeo

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

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Oh murdercat is the leading wagon

VOTE: Murdercat

End this fucking day, cretins

ugh I'm not going back onto titus, so unless we're going to get a wagon elsewhere
VOTE: MurderCat

VoteCount 1.41

Murdercat [ 9 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, kazyan, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, unwnd, ivyeo

Titus [ 4 ]

anya, toadette, flow trap, flea the magician

firebringer [ 4 ]

andante, titus, save the dragons, MURDERCAT

NorwegianboyEE [ 3 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

flow trap [ 1 ]

norwegianboyEE

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

Oh look, we're switching wagons again

Sadness covers me like a blanket. Tuck me in. Let me laugh.

VOTE: Anya

VOTE: Anya

Another naked sheep vote, no interest in voting me yet.

VoteCount 1.42

Murdercat [ 8 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, unwnd, ivyeo

firebringer [ 4 ]

andante, titus, save the dragons, MURDERCAT

Titus [ 3 ]

anya, toadette, flea the magician

NorwegianboyEE [ 3 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain

anya [ 3 ]

dwlee99, kazyan, flow trap

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

flow trap [ 1 ]

norwegianboyEE

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Safe to vote norwee as there is little pressure there.

VoteCount 1.43

Murdercat [ 8 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, unwnd, ivyeo

firebringer [ 4 ]

andante, titus, save the dragons, MURDERCAT

NorwegianboyEE [ 4 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, flow trap

Titus [ 3 ]

anya, toadette, flea the magician

anya [ 2 ]

dwlee99, kazyan,

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

flow trap [ 1 ]

norwegianboyEE

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: NBEE

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

VoteCount 1.44

Murdercat [ 8 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, unwnd, ivyeo

NorwegianboyEE [ 6 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, flow trap, kazyan, save the dragons

firebringer [ 3 ]

andante, titus, MURDERCAT

Titus [ 3 ]

anya, toadette, flea the magician

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

flow trap [ 1 ]

norwegianboyEE

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

Ok know what, i'm just gonna go for a Unwnd style play for a bit and hope night actions are good if this goes wrong.
Highest wagon and i'm not really convinced the slot is town. VOTE: Murdercat
The amount of wagon swinginess so far is getting away from being informative and just being plain annoying.

VOTE: Murdercat

Edit: E-2, I believe

Oh weird, now that norwee is getting serious pressure and I am the CW flow is very interested in voting with it’s scum read norwee on me.

VoteCount 1.45

Murdercat [ 11 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, unwnd, ivyeo, norwegianboyEE, kazyan, flow trap

NorwegianboyEE [ 4 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, save the dragons

Titus [ 3 ]

anya, toadette, flea the magician

firebringer [ 2 ]

andante, titus

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

Not Voting [ 2 ]

xofelf, murdercat

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: FB

VOTE: Murdercat

Pressure is off norwee, so flow is free to move it’s vote around. Still not accomplishing anything with these votes.

VoteCount 1.49

Murdercat [ 12 ]

farkran, pooky, firebringer, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, ivyeo, norwegianboyEE, kazyan, flow trap, unwnd, andante

NorwegianboyEE [ 4 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, anya

Titus [ 3 ]

toadette, flea the magician, MURDERCAT

firebringer [ 2 ]

titus, save the dragons

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VoteCount 1.50

Murdercat [ 10 ]

farkran, pooky, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, norwegianboyEE, kazyan, flow trap, unwnd, andante

NorwegianboyEE [ 8 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, save the dragons, anya, firebringer, ivyeo, MURDERCAT

Titus [ 2 ]

toadette, flea the magician

firebringer [ 1 ]

titus

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

raya36 [ 1 ]

chara

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

VOTE: Norwee

Now that’s it’s inevitable, flow decides to push norwee over the edge. Weird there was no interest in that before given norwee was close to elim multiple times?

VoteCount 1.51

NorwegianboyEE [ 11 ]

shiro, raya36, nero cain, save the dragons, anya, firebringer, ivyeo, MURDERCAT, flow trap, kazyan, chara

Murdercat [ 8 ]

farkran, pooky, sircakez, brave heart lion, kdowns, norwegianboyEE, unwnd, andante

Titus [ 2 ]

toadette, flea the magician

firebringer [ 1 ]

titus

anya [ 1 ]

dwlee99

Not Voting [ 1 ]

xofelf

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-05-17 20:33:31)

This vc has been edited to fix an incorrect total of votes on NorwegianboyEE. It originally said 12.

[MURDERCAT]

Do not vig me without me claiming

sus

[MURDERCAT]

DID UR SCUMTEAMATES TELL U TO DEFY ME??????

oops

[MURDERCAT]

I would like to hear Fark's current read on me

[MURDERCAT]

it*

yes how did you know

[MURDERCAT]

I'm BP Friendly neighbor lol

I took this as a joke

[MURDERCAT]

I'm not sure flow trap's play is inconsistent with newbie PR play :X

Even the vote timing? I don't think that has anything to do with role

[MURDERCAT]

VoteCount 1.18

Andante [4]

Nero Cain, dwlee99, sircakez, farkran

Kazyan [3]

raya36, brave heart lion, murdercat

Beeboy [3]

pooky, unwnd, kazyan

NorwegianboyEE [3]

shiro, save the dragons, flea

Farkran [2]

chara, anya

xofelf [1]

toadette

kdowns [1]

Andante

anya [1]

firebringer

Ivyeo [1]

flow trap

Save the Dragons [1]

norwegianboyee

Not Voting [ 4 ]

Beeboy, kdowns, xofelf, ivyeo

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There really wasn't much pressure to defend from at that time

[MURDERCAT]

i have no read on Fark this game, though he's leaning towards town just due to how i feel about other slots right now, but my experience with him tells me that it's more likely he actively puts out antipartner tells with his partner as scum than fail to do so.

Does this include hard defense or are you talking about more traditional methods

[MURDERCAT]

i don't remember who Fark was pushing, either.

me a lot, at least

[MURDERCAT]

Nothing with flow is happening until we sort out the alien stuff anyway

[MURDERCAT]

I'm not sure flow trap's play is inconsistent with newbie PR play :X

Even the vote timing? I don't think that has anything to do with role

[MURDERCAT]

Consider my vote on andante pending VC in the morning. Want to get the claim. kdowns PR makes a lot of sense

kdowns do you believe aliens are in the game? I want you to hard claim but I guess not yet.

[MURDERCAT]

Because you can’t. I’m a Dog Cop and I investigated Anda last night and got confirmation on her being a dog.

oh ok

[MURDERCAT]

Well that was probably not optimal but that's ok

[MURDERCAT]

meh we can just perfect yeet scum like last time we played a Shea multiball game together fb

[MURDERCAT]

No one actually suspects Adante. Let's call a spade a spade. He's being run up to claim so my doubters can have something to pick at to miseliminate me. Running up Adante gets them a roleclaim and an excuse not to scumhunt.

lol this is a scum claim right

[MURDERCAT]

dear cats, plz be cool tonight we can work together here

[MURDERCAT]

Also it's andante guilty, not anya

[MURDERCAT]

I feel like it kind of reads like Titus is a dog who white knighted a perceived fakeguilty on a popular player she knows is notdog

I think it reads like Titus didn't read the thread before trying to hard defend a partner

[MURDERCAT]

I think Titus is a doggo with andante and didn't realize there was a guilty at first

[MURDERCAT]

There is still a near 0% chance an outed alien cop ever gets a result imo

[MURDERCAT]

lol

[MURDERCAT]

name names of scum shading u

Murdercat is one and he's likely a dog

Actually this is good, I'm basically confirmed as town once Titus flips dog because it will no longer make sense for me to be cat or dog

sorry cats I think you have to waste a shot on me now

[MURDERCAT]

E-3 then? still wanna see a claim pre-lim but I guess it doesn't really matter now

[MURDERCAT]

Aliens historically only get one kill. Why kill what can be eliminated? What would the odds be of me getting a successful check before I am eliminated given the gaslighting, shading, and otherwise ignoring of me?

Aliens usually have access to a roleblock

[MURDERCAT]

Pedit: oh, i just skimmed because 13 pages overnight - where did he do that? I'll iso

Feel like this is town

[MURDERCAT]

Oh i have also just noticed that nero was even night vig so he couldn't have shot n1

Ah good catch

[MURDERCAT]

Cause I've had an uneasy feeling about Anda saying keep Titus till day 3 for a while

quote it

[MURDERCAT]

Looks like everyone has checked in so intent to hammer I guess, will do it at lunch today if it hasn't happened already

[MURDERCAT]

I'm saying quote the anda post lol

[MURDERCAT]

I have 2 people I want to vote before you I'm not tunneled lol

[MURDERCAT]

Thanks. I'm not super worried about it because I can't really think of a PR that I'm scared of going off for another night? Are there any you are scared of?

pedit: imo tunneled means I won't even consider going anywhere else or considering other people are scum

[MURDERCAT]

pooky you never reacted to my special post just for you

pedit vig is the only one but I tihnk odds of scum vig are pretty low even in this game

[MURDERCAT]

hmm I guess maybe strongman could be used to kill kdowns but meh

pedit I think it was just random honestly, like try to buy Titus as much time as possible

[MURDERCAT]

<3

[MURDERCAT]

I have a feeling what you are going to get instead is a self vote to end the day

[MURDERCAT]

I'm indifferent

[MURDERCAT]

Titus could just quickhammer with Andante.

That would be really dumb lol

[MURDERCAT]

Informed dog miller? lol I think Titus is just trying to act townie

[MURDERCAT]

Titus unless you can explain why a dog would ever hard defend you no one will ever town read you

[MURDERCAT]

see ya tomorrow pals

[MURDERCAT]

lol dwlee pls

[MURDERCAT]

see ya tomorrow pals

[MURDERCAT]

wtf happened this past phase lmao

Probably won't be around a ton tonight but I'll catch up now

[MURDERCAT]

I HATE THIS GAME MY READS WERE TERRIBLE AND ANDANTE WAS A FUCKING DOG MILLER
AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE HOW ANDANTES CLAIM SUPPORTS TITUS

lol cake I really hope you are town

[MURDERCAT]

ok let's be real
if andante had shown up and claimed dog miller nobody would have fucking believed them

this is 100% true so I don't feel bad, except you gotta claim miller d1

[MURDERCAT]

Explain that vote ft?

I will do some reading of isos later but it will be a while.

[MURDERCAT]

Titus is literally not confscum and Kaz was suspicious

mmk we were thinking different things

[MURDERCAT]

As for what happened last night I think it's gotta be clear to dog mafia so I'm just gunna say it anyway.

Probably cats shot FB and the dog shot was redirected off of kdowns and on to dwlee.

[MURDERCAT]

that replace-out just gives me weird vibes

this was my feeling

[MURDERCAT]

Something in the scum PT that was like "Hey you are dumb for hammering that what are you doing" etc etc

I'm not going to put any weight into it though, I'm just gunna look through isos now that we have a read on both groups.

[MURDERCAT]

what do you think about fark's alternate SK theory?

Occam's razor says less likely imo?

[MURDERCAT]

Why? Do you think it's more plausible that there are two vigs? Or maybe a redirector that only redirect kills?

Why does the redirector only have to redirect kills? Maybe I missed something?

I think the simplest explanation is 2 scum factions and a town majority as we haven't seen evidence of additional kill power (to my knowledge). The alternative is that there's 4+ killing roles in this game which is certainly possible but seems less likely to me. Aliens are a whole other thing too that I haven't taken seriously yet.

[MURDERCAT]

There's something else to consider related to dwlee dying but I won't get into that.

[MURDERCAT]

this is a spy who knows the inside plot which is why they warn us about it so they can look good afterwards

disagree, it's too face up imo

[MURDERCAT]

Aren't "every other round" vigs usually in pairs? Or is that just an assumption I made

We'd have to explain only 2 kills on N1

[MURDERCAT]

why even say this then?

As food for thought and because scum has probably thought it through

[MURDERCAT]

but nobody even knows what it is

Ah but you can also think about it for later.

I am curious if later in the game people have the same conclusion.

[MURDERCAT]

i think flow trap could be town.

I don't disagree

[MURDERCAT]

Assuming cats aimed at FB thinking he was dog scum we can probably look at that D1 wagon to see who agreed he could be scum.

[MURDERCAT]

Alien hit the dog. Can we stop gaslighting me now?

And dog kill got protected?

[MURDERCAT]

Most likely unless you think Dog shot themselves

[MURDERCAT]

Titus can you explain your reasoning for your targets?

[MURDERCAT]

kdowns should have more info from us, that's another reason to not rush this day

[MURDERCAT]

What if Dog is different flavor of alien and they only get 1 kill?

Then why would kdowns and Titus both exist?

[MURDERCAT]

this doesn't make any sense, why would aliens want you to flip as alien cop and validate that they exist?
right now most people think you're lying and there aren't even aliens

This is an interesting point for why Titus might not be killed or RB'd if she is legit.

[MURDERCAT]

There's plenty of evidence given with the flips that at least one alien exists.

What evidence is there besides you?