Anything uPick (Endgame)

[Ircher]

VOTE: Loftwing

[Ircher]

im in charge round these parts

DOUBT

No spamming please.

[Ircher]

Also, I have decided that for the duration of this game, I will use no avatar. Starting in 2 minutes.

[Ircher]

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher (100%): Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)
Ydrasse (+90%): Just look at all that exuberance especially in 52!

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
Tamora's Angel (+82%): Angels cannot possibly be scum.

Neutral Town

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read or Diffident Read)
DkKoba (+58%): Town by claim.

Null

(0%-30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Datisi (15%): He left as quickly as he came.

Neutral Scum

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read or Diffident Read)
Deimos27 (-55%): Where is that excitement? That energy? His ISO is SO boring!

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

​​

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)
Good Luck Buddy (-99%): Way too many posts.

Spoiler: How to read this reads list

Players are placed in different sections based on my confidence in the read expressed as a percentage. A positive percentage indicates that I leans towards town on a player whereas a negative percentage indicates I lean towards scum on a player. Please note that the Null section contains both townreads and scumreads, and you must look a the sign of the percentage in parenthesis to determine which way I lean.

Confidence ratings are rough estimates (and somewhat arbitrary) and are relative to one another. In addition, they tend to be scored on a quadratic scale versus a linear scale; in other words, the difference between 0% and 30% tends to be less than the difference between 30% and 60%.

[Ircher]

I have a special power that I can activate on people who "scumread" this post

it's called OMGUS CANNON

if you are not scared of it you should scumread this post

I scumread this post. Let's freeze this slot!

[Ircher]

I am a Gamma Ray Burst. During the day, I will strongman kill one player AND myself.

False bravado.

[Ircher]

Ah, but your story is wrong. I had an avatar when day 1 started. I changed it on reading Deimo's post, and then I removed it later when I decided I wanted to be avatarless this game. Get your facts straight first.

Who needs avatars? Avatars are for the unobservant. Train your mind and play with avatars turned off.

[Ircher]

I had an avatar when day 1 started.

THIS IS A LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you PROVE it?

[Ircher]

I accept nothing without proof.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Deimos27

[Ircher]

What is your confidence in your read as a function of time?

[Ircher]

VOTE: Gamma

[Ircher]

Everyone should vote Gamma.

[Ircher]

Even moreso with his latest post.

[Ircher]

Well what productive things came about from it Ydrasse? I agree though that it is a stretch to call it rolefishing.

[Ircher]

How would people like me to use my ability. I am not going to say that I will use it like the majority requests. I just want some input.

I could...
A) Use it early to spark discussion and give a flip to work with.
B) Use it as a first majority elimination.
C) Use it on the backup wagon prior to the first elimination.
D) Use it on a wagon that dissolves.
E) Enter Suggestion Here.

Keep in mind that both my target AND myself die upon me using my ability.

I do have 4 possible targets already in mind, but I may go a different route as Day 1 progresses.

Unless it resets deadline, B is a poor choice and should be avoided.
D is horrible because if a weapon dissolves, there's likely a good reason for it.
I would be okay with you doing A or C, though honestly, I think A is better simply because you might surprise a scum. It could completely throw a wrench into their plans if you choose someone quasi-random to do it with.

[Ircher]

So did anyone notice that this game has both a dawn and a twilight phase?

[Ircher]

I could kill Pookybringer. Would be less noisy.

This would be good for the overall health of the game.

[Ircher]

*cries from getting ass beat by Gamma again

Gamma: 2
Taly: 0

But wait, explain your hypothetical town and scum motive for such a post?

Why does this read like theater?

You’re not going to miselim me, so stop trying. I have gotten miselimed less than a handful of times and that includes, hydra’s, slots I’ve repped out of and a newbie game where I was the game losing miselim. In not a single one of those games was I as obvtown as I am here. So in a world where you’re town, feel free to keep embarrassing yourself but I’m won’t continue to engage you because you’re clearly making 0 effort to parse me.

My vote stays.

Ircher I haven’t been a fan of but tbh I think in the past I’ve wrongly SR him a few times? He also seems to be deliberately scumming it up a bit, which bothers me because I’d say he’s normally kinda straight laced. So he’s like a weak SR rn

If by "scumming it up", you mean I'm not taking this game very seriously... Well that's true. I am here for the experience, nothing more nothing less.

oh to answer the encryptor question its not global its just my PT - which may be a neighborhood, masonry, or neighborizerhood.

i am not claiming wish at this time.

I'm in a PT with daychat and no one claims encryptor.

So either

1) You're mistaken
2) You're lying
3) Someone in my PT is lying
4) There exists a global encryptor.

Did you specifically ask them all if they were encryptors? Or did you just make the assumption based on them not saying otherwise?

The funniest thing though is that actually I was just lazily voting the name that was third on the Ircher wagon because I didn't think any sane townie would follow Gamma's vote there, and hadn't actually clocked that Nancy was in that slot when I was voting. I mainly decided to stick with it because of the overreaction

We were 20 pages in- I'm not gonna have a super duper 100% guaranteed or-your-money-back level scumread on anyone, and Nancy treating it like one is exactly the sort of paranoia I saw in animals upick 2

Huh? Can you elaborate on what you mean here? Why didn't you think a sane townie would follow Gamma's vote?

Like for as excited as she feels to be playing for whatever reasons she says, she doesnt seem to be... doing much?

Ah, this is a good observation. Although, doesn't Ydrasse tend to dominate as scum? It seems to me she would have more of a presence rn if she was scum so she could cruise to endgame off early town reads.

im in charge round these parts

DOUBT

im going to be glowing with townie energy by the end of the day mark my fucking words

you didn't even say "i town" how can i trust you?

I AM GOING TO BE SO TOWNIE THIS GAME I WON'T EVEN NEED THEM.

Doesn't she make posts like that in every game she is excited about?
(Also, sorry for quote pyramid. I am too lazy to edit the excess out here.)

I don't really see why sakura is towny tbh
I quite like Taly though, on pure gut/tonality

Taly is definitely a wait and see slot. He is very good at having an appeasing and appealing tone.

Also UNVOTE: Gamma. His recent posts have been an improvement.

[Ircher]

How does that read as a buddy post? It's a valid argument.

[Ircher]

Taly is definitely a wait and see slot. He is very good at having an appeasing and appealing tone.

D'you reckon Taly's claim is > rand to come from town?

Hard to tell. Maybe slight more +town over the long run, but for the course of a single game, I would say no tbh. I don't think they are lying, but I imagine RadiantCowbells has probably balanced out powerful abilities with negative abilities, and I don't think scum are anywhere close to immune to receiving negative-utility abilities.

[Ircher]

Yeah, why the fuck are

Deimos/Titus

the only people acknowledging my claim?

Rest of y’all piss me off while you shelve and fencesit on my slot FFS.

I'm out for the night.

I'm sorry. I'm not reading that closely. It should've stood out more, but I didn't think much of it when I first read it.

[Ircher]

RECRUITMENT FOR

FIRE

NATION

IS NOW OPEN!!!!!

IF YOU WANT TO SIGN UP PLEASE FILL OUT THIS SHORT FORM

1. How fucking town are you? (scum not allowed to lie on this question)

2. What scum hunting skills do you bring to the table? (Need at least one verified scumread)

3. Will you pledge your vote to

FIRE

NATION

regardless of any doubt or fear you might have?

4. If Toogeloo tried to shoot Beloved Leader PookyBringer with a Deathray, would you gladly jump in front ?

5. Are you prepared to go HARD this game?

6. Do you scumread Pooky? (The answer to this should always be YES)

1) I'm town this game. I'm as townie as truth can be.
2) Can I skip this question?
3) Sure. They'll probably be more accurate than I'll be.
4) Only if I'm townreading the firebringer side of the slot.
5) No not really.
6) Absolutely positively 100%.

[Ircher]

35 pages
No self restraint, the lot of you.

Over a quarter from one particular slot. I don't think it's really fair to lump the rest of us with them in terms of posting quantity.

[Ircher]

Sure thing. Should we claim flavor first?

Also, was my app not accepted @Firebear?

[Ircher]

The biggest problem is all the people I feel like wagoning aren't active enough to respond to pressure. :/

And who precisely would that be?

[Ircher]

ah yes i fucking love when townies random dayvig people without consulting thread about the action! always works out great!!!

No, this is optimal. It will shake things up and give us something to talk about, and it will surprise scum and force them to change their strategy.

[Ircher]

I would love to hear what thought process led you to that conclusion.

There's really no point in waiting. Either you do it early or you don't do it at all. If you do it later in the game, it is more risky, and furthermore, you have a higher chance of being killed before the ability used (given that the ability was claimed).

[Ircher]

ah yes i fucking love when townies random dayvig people without consulting thread about the action! always works out great!!!

No, this is optimal. It will shake things up and give us something to talk about, and it will surprise scum and force them to change their strategy.

I'm curious if you've ever played FG's dance games.

This isn't a dance game with a known setup, so the optimal strategies are different.

[Ircher]

Why would killing an inactive player be a bad move? Aren't those players the best ones for a vig to take out?

[Ircher]

Gamma

[Ircher]

In an explosion of cosmic proportions, Toogeloo obliterates DkKoba!

DkKoba was

XrCyclone

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, DkKoba. You are XrCyclone, Obvious Cheater. You are a Helper-Requesting Cheater.

I claim random informed role that I have no way of knowing about!

Thought (Helper-Requesting): Each night you may target a player not in the game, inviting them to be able to discuss the game with you.
Cheater! (Cheater): You may discuss the game during days and nights with every player who accepted your invitation until the end of the game.

You win when the Mafia have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Toogeloo was

Gamma Ray Burst

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, Toogeloo. You are Gamma Ray Burst, Strongman Exploder

If you've seen one gamma-ray burst, you've seen one gamma-ray burst!

Supernova (Strongman Exploder): Once per game during the day you may target a player and explode both of you, targeting both of you with a strongman kill.

You win when the Mafia have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Ordinarily protocol is to reset the votecount, but I will not bother since no one is close to any lim thresholds.

Huh????

Anyway,
VOTE: Gamma back to this.

[Ircher]

This is off the charts.
The only town move is to lim one of the hydras.

VOTE: GLB

koba town <- this is a note to myself

Nah. Good Luck Buddy may be a hyperposter, but we should just wait for them to get vig shot.

Anyway
VOTE: Queen let’s bring someone new into the light, eh?
As for me, I should hopefully be obvtown by Day 3 if you chumps don’t elim me before then.

Ah yes, vote the low hanging fruit when you need a distractor. Seriously though, what do you expect that vote to accomplish?

One of Gypyx/rat is Datisi’s buddy. Remember this when I flip.

I agree rat's and Gypyx's votes are poor because they are detracting from Gamma, but I don't really read them as an associative tell to Datisi.

[Ircher]

That was a day vig. We could easily have a night vig.

[Ircher]

Besides, if a vig doesn't get them, scum will eventually.

[Ircher]

but I’m trying to get other slots to contribute, so that’s why I’m voting a lurker slot

You realize that this is an extremely ineffective strategy, right?

[Ircher]

Someone haveth died!

Dear Loftwing,

Have you any thoughts to contribute?

[Ircher]

Look, if we're going to massclaim, we should do it in some predesignated order. Have all the scummy slots (i.e.: rat, gamma) go first then everyone else.

[Ircher]

DkKoba's role is fucking useless. Like how would they even use that? Can someone please tell me?

It was basically a variation on a neighborizer role. Instead of getting someone in the game, they could talk to someone outside of the game. I wonder though if there were restrictions on who they could select (e.g.: people in the spectator thread, etc.)

[Ircher]

Look, if we're going to massclaim, we should do it in some predesignated order. Have all the scummy slots (i.e.: rat, gamma) go first then everyone else.

wtf is this

We've had like 5 people claim already, and multiple people are hinting towards or saying that they're gonna claim in their next few posts.

[Ircher]

To be clear, I am not asking for massclaiming. I am saying,

if

we are massclaiming, then we should do it in a certain order that gives scum the least latitude to fake claim.

[Ircher]

I Am Here To Be Anything I Want And No One Can Stop Me

You Have Strange Searches On Your Computer Datisi

You Have Strange Searches On Your Computer Datisi

I Have Successfully Rebooted

This is obviously a troll slot; you aren't going to get anything useful out of pressuring them.

[Ircher]

I am fine with limming ratman instead here.

[Ircher]

I agree.

[Ircher]

The real question is why shouldn't I? Why should I use more words when what others have stated suffices?

[Ircher]

So I don't know what your intentions are.

I already stated them:

Well that's true. I am here for the experience, nothing more nothing less.

[Ircher]

it only now occurred to me this could theoretically be a scum role that gets more powerful if people townread her. oh well.

It sounds protown to me. In my previous RC uPick, Mastina had an obvscum role: a role that only killed town in duels.

I don't see how this counters Datisi's point. It's not town vs. antitown, but rather town!Sakura with an ability that grows in power vs. scum!Sakura with an ability that grows in power.

But why would he post that knowing you would recognize it? He’s enough of an experienced player to know toog could still change his mind.

Experience doesn't make one infallible.

And rat the super genious scumhunter that would give Sherlock Holmes a run for his money - NOT - was doing his damndest to get me run up today.

Aren't they still doing that? Or am I misremembering?

Rat reads as someone who is not paying much attention to the gamestate which is +town

This is a bad take.

this is nice but I still wanna try to drag queen into the game tyvm

And this, friends, is a complete waste of time.

Alright then why aren’t you voting either instead of some nia lurker?

I'm trying to pull content out of the slot by voting it, DUH.

No, you're avoiding doing anything useful by vote parking on a lurker. Which perhaps is fine if we had all the time in the world to twiddle our thumbs, but we don't. Every second counts, and every second wasted cannot be regained.

should i start playing yet

Nice prodge.

Yeah I checked the activity overview and if ratmans flips scum GLB and CW are basically IC.

Ratmans and Queen town if Gamma scum.
~C

Ha, no way. That's some extremely flawed reasoning right there. Rat has been doing their best to distract from the Gamma wagon. A red flip on Gamma almost surely means the opposite: a red flip on rat.

, you also talked about your role almost as soon as you started posting which is statistically in role madness games +towns

Wow, so much sloppy reasoning!

I agree.

I've reconsidered. It seems doubtful scum decides faking not knowing the game started. Like, it isn't impossible, but it also feels a poor strategy because it will get them poed down the road.

That doesn't answer my issue.

Are you trying to place pressure to better solve me, or are you testing the waters to see where the waves head?

I am making a statement of assent, nothing more, nothing less.

Happy scum day!
~C

Thanks!

I have been up about 40h straight with just one 3h nap in the middle of the day because my college is sadistic, so facts are definitely something I might be prone to getting wrong atm

Are you able to pull up the post whose content and author you mistook?

This is not good. A healthy sleep schedule will make your life better in all ways.

[Ircher]

Gamma Emerald (9): Taly, Ydrasse, Deimos27, Good Luck Buddy, Ircher, Sakura Hana, T3, Cheeky Wings, Queen

Anyone want to take a guess at how many scum currently on wagon in both Gamma universes?
~C

Sure. If Gamma is town, maybe 2-3. If Gamma is scum, probably just Queen.

[Ircher]

You don't think many would bus for cred after his anti-spew?
~C

I am mostly townreading the wagon, but that's dependent on Gamma being scum. Like sure, it's possible some decide it's time to bus, but they also have had plenty of time to walk-back that read after Toogeloo didn't in fact bomb Gamma. (I am sure it is more than doable.)

[Ircher]

Hmmm. Do I self combust the wagon I've begun on

Gamma

for a wagon on

Ircher

when I know I've wrongly tunneled them as town before, or do I do something else?

It really doesn't matter to me. Do as you feel is best.

[Ircher]

That's a good response.

[Ircher]

@ircher

, do you plan on making another readslist, pls don't igonre me

No not really. Maybe Day 2 when I am less busy.

[Ircher]

Clem/T3/Jjh/Galron/Victorine/Datisi/Ircher

- talk to me.

What if I refuse? What would you like for me to talk about?

[Ircher]

Well I don't really have much to talk about this game. I have most certainly not been paying too close of an attention to the game.

[Ircher]

What is a reliable tell to read you with in this game?

Now, now, if I told you, it wouldn't be any fun, would it? My play is more akin to the Yin Yang game here if that helps you at all. I'm sure I've had other lower activity games that you can compare it with.

What is your read on me?

I'll get back to you on this in like two hours or so, when I am in more of a position to compose thoughts.

[Ircher]

It is currently raining, which therefore means it is the best time to perform divination of player's alignments.

Great idea! What do the stars say is your alignment?

[Ircher]

Just a note: I started on page 86 and then started reading top to bottom, but backwards in terms of pages to page 84. I then jumped to page 87 and read forward like normal.

What if we alternately limmed one lurker slot and one high poster slot

This post is awful for obvious reasons.

You saw how me and my clan failed each time I tried to lead them.

So have you figured out my alignment from this yet?

3rd party? Idk, I was distracted by the errors.

@Loftwing

, since you're here, how motivated do you feel to play this game right now and why?

Why should motivation matter for alignment? That's like one of the easiest things to manipulate. Sure, it may apply more for some players, but I don't like how you seem to be trying to read Loftwing almost solely on this factor.

Which faction benefits the most from spamming the thread until most players have lost their WIM? Isn't pooky some kind of scumhunting God? Why would Pooky made this game unreadable for themselves? It's not rocket science that they're successfully playing tstbs.
~C

No, this is poor reasoning. Pooky always like to mess around. You can talk about the density of content, but you cannot claim Pooky is scum based on sheer volume.

We have such an immense amount of anti-resonance because posts I see as jokes worth ignoring (see: Ircher's first "readslist", now Loftwing's "townblock") you seem to take very seriously.

This is a good observation though not too telling in terms of alignment.

Yeah this can go. I caught my first obv scum.
~C

It is not at all obvious to me. Can you elaborate?

but this is only a theory... a scum theory ofc.

On the other hand, this reaction does register as scummy.

Then why is she asking me on how to read me, kknowing I am biased, instead of forming her opinions? It looks to me like an excuse.

Quite frankly, it doesn't appear you have a post restriction at all.

Also, he’s the first one to claim delayed role pm, so that looks better than anyone claiming it later.

I am confident this is false; at the same time, I lack the time to actually go verify this is indeed false.

[Ircher]

What is your read on me?

Idk, you're hard to read. Like I said earlier in the game, you're the kind of a slot to wait on before deciding. I think the only thing of note is your frustration level this game. It seems much higher than what I've seen from you before. I'm not sure what I should make of that at this time. Actually, I would say it strikes me as manipulative.

I think my voting might be the biggest thing to read me on, I’ve kinda been playing like I used to way back when I started where I make wild and frequent votes trying to throw my weight around.

If we're going by your voting alone, you would have been dead days ago.

Faking post restrictions is NAI, but using them as an excuse to not do anything is AI

Meh. I'd agree except for given who is in the slot, my expectations for content aren't very high.

What is it about those alts that makes Victorine an even better elim?

You've read the context wrong. It is precisely due to her history on the site that makes her a poor Day 1 lim on this site.

[Ircher]

Gamma, your statement that your voting history is fine is objectively wrong by the fact that many of your votes have in fact been called out. And no, your Queen vote was not townie and accomplished nothing other than looking busy.

[Ircher]

Ircher, I don’t see any credible evidence of a post restriction. She claims this hypothetical post restriction to be permanent, only flavour which is nai for this game to be made evident.

How do you propose she is ever going to become more readable? She’s naked voteparked on Sakura and has made no attempt to solve.

Even if the post restriction looked legit, I have real trouble believing that RC would give any player a permanent post restriction.

In two RC games I was in: one involving a town post restricted player, Vecna and a second, involving a post restricted scum player: Nom/the worst, neither were permanent.

My point is that this slot has a history of doing nothing. Yes, I think the posting restriction is fake, but that doesn't really mean anything because it's doubtful Victorine would've done much regardless. I do not know of a way to read her, but when approaching slots like this, it is always better to give them time. Also, I will point out that she is the kind of slot scum like to push as early mislims. That is all the more reason to wait.

[Ircher]

Time to do what exactly? All she’s promised is her flavour and hypothetical post restriction be revealed not her role or alignment. And she’s still naked voteparked on Sakura and she refuses to either unvote her or comment on her, much less anyone else.

Time to get bored of the game. It will almost certainly happen if she is scum.

[Ircher]

We could kill ratman instead you know. If we don't want to kill Gamma that is.

[Ircher]

I don't see a real need to address the votes. Anything I would say is liable to be used against me.

[Ircher]

Or you could talk about your reads on dats and pooky.
Bonus points for thoughts on Taly, jjh, Titus.
~C

I already talked about Taly.

Datisi is no read. I just inevitably skip over his posts for whatever reason. For Good Luck Buddy, probably town tbh. They may be loud, but I haven't seen anything that actually pings me.

Haven't seen enough from Titus/jjh to really formulate an opinion on those two.

[Ircher]

Fwiw, Not Known 15 is probably not allowed to post. It's not really fair to call him a lurker.

[Ircher]

But if Queen is a troll slot, how do we sort them?

What do you make of Victorine? I won't accept a 3rd party as an answer because:

Well Queen got replaced, so I guess the question isn't very relevant anymore, but I would say night actions is the best bet. Maybe a nice vig shot or cop investigation.

For Victorine, I'd honestly say town. Yes, it does seem like she's fake claiming a post restriction, but aside from that, she seems really interested in the game. By interested here, I don't mean interested in scumhunting but rather just excited about her role, etc. Granted, my opinions here are more or less based on like 3-4 year old meta, so take that as you will. (No, I will not be spending time getting an updated view of her meta.)

what do you think of this one?

For Mo, it seems more along the lines of just over excitement and some quirkiness. I don't think anything actually stood out as being vote worthy versus just atypical.

also, its not about them having a d1 solve... shit i would have a solve too but its like i called it bad because it just didn't make sense imo because of said reason

that reason i explained was because of what i think of someone not being paired.

and it doesnt answer how i read because i never implied my answer to be a read list. gamma gave a solve -- i said that solve is bad and u asked why i gave u why.

To be clear here, by saying the solve is "bad", do you mean it is 1) nonsensical 2) scum-indicative or 3) some mixture?

I think GrandpaMo might be scum. He says that everyone over 100 posts is town and then immediately asks people to justify reads on high posters...

I don't think this is what he said. 2777 is pretty clear with the words "with the exception of", and he has since been asking about those he named as exceptions.

Cool. I open up to a page about me. I guess that means I'm a wagon of some sort. I can't keep up with this pace, so if you're going to kill me go ahead. Just make it quick so I don't have to worry about a prod.

What am I supposed to be responding to anyway?

The defeatism in this post is quite evident. It's not a good look for the slot.

I'm somewhat surprised you're even considering being confused or amazed over a player who got a game start PM 4 days after actual game start when there were already 70 pages or so. And now criticizing me for not wanting to read 10 or 20 new pages every time I log on? That seems unreasonable on your part.

For a large theme game, I don't think it is an unreasonable expectation to have to read 10 pages a day, especially on Day 1. No one is saying you have to read the entire thread; just enough to provide an informed opinion.

Thank you. So he's a pseudo-stump.

Am I the only one who read that post as a joke????

On what planet do Galron and Gamma believe that story

I can kind of buy it for Gamma honestly. The original post looked semi-believable if you aren't too focused.

[Ircher]

Being excited about your role is town-ai?
Eh?

It's a meta read. Again, it's a perhaps significantly outdated meta read, but it is still a meta read.

[Ircher]

The game is bastard though... How do we know that isn't itself a lie?

(Note: Please don't take this at face value.)

[Ircher]

Look, my tell is along the lines that if Victorine isn't interested in the game, she wouldn't take the time to avoid getting prodded. Whether she may be more excited for a UPIck is up for you to decide; even if you get exactly what you wanted, the implementation could make you seriously dislike playing. I don't get that vibe from Victorine.

[Ircher]

That's a nice copypasta.

[Ircher]

So I kinda forgot the game was happening, but I've played this setup a couple times in sitechat before, (and modded them, too) and usually it doesn't matter who gets limmed first, just because if you get town, you get a confirmed townie, and most of the time by the first couple minutes based on who's working with who and so on and so forth. I saw the votecount and it looked like it was him or you. I knew if I voted you I'd either get scum and p much win, or I'd get town and you'd shoot him (killing scum). That's how it goes pretty much every time. So I flipped a coin that would only land heads up.

I get this setup mixed up a lot, though, with SS3 (and also every time I skim this I think townies are perma one-shot limproof) which is why I posted like I did at beginning of day 2. I know you know I'm town, cuz if you didn't think I was, you'd have shot me yesterday. Let's lim RC and win this thing for the homies?

[Ircher]

I will note that Victorine's posts have been nothing like how mastina posts. mastina has very distinct style of posting that should be self-evident to all who behold it.

[Ircher]

Oh no!!!

[Ircher]

Victorine Are You Allowed To Explain Your Post Restriction In Detail Or Is That Part Of The Restriction

I am required to post 1000 or more words 5 times per game day.

You've only done that once so far...

[Ircher]

Write for me a 1000 word conclusion.

[Ircher]

That feels like a loophole tbh. Anyway, can we get a 1000 words about the game?

[Ircher]

They don't have to be shocking or novel, but they should communicate an understanding of what is happening in the game.

[Ircher]

Also, what's the penalty if you don't meet the restriction?

[Ircher]

HURT WITH A BLADE: Conclusions

[Ircher]

What makes Loftwing look bad here?

[Ircher]

Or to put it this way: if I guess a player's flavor correctly, I get a reward. Just like in those old 'prize catching games' at carnivals.

Mine should be easy to guess if you know anything about me...

[Ircher]

That sounds exactly like something I would do.
What's people's case on Taly btw?

Uh, there isn't one???

[Ircher]

I’m sorta counterclaiming Vic if I wasn’t clear
I basically have 2 abilities that have to do with flavor, one of which involves figuring someone else’s flavor out

Meh, I don't think it's impossible RadiantCowbells puts two similar yet different roles in the game.

[Ircher]

Anything uPick Votecount 1.123:

Gamma Emerald (6): Ydrasse, Good Luck Buddy, Ircher, Something_Smart, Sakura Hana, Ratmans
Ircher (4): Gypyx, Titus, Galron, T3
Victorine (3): Jjh927, Deimos27, Datisi
Galron (2): GrandpaMo, Clemency
Clemency (2): Taly, Gamma Emerald
Sakura Hana (1): Victorine
Cheeky Wings (0):
Deimos27 (0):
Loftwing (0):
Something_Smart (0):
Good Luck Buddy (0):
Datisi (0):
Jjh927 (0):
Ydrasse (0):
T3 (0):
Gypyx (0):
Titus (0):
GrandpaMo (0):
Ratmans (0):
Taly (0):

Not Voting: Loftwing, Cheeky Wings

With 20 alive it's 11 to lim.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-11-20 21:00:00).

It was pages ago, but this was the last vote count. I don't recall seeing many if any votes for Taly after searching Taly's name.

[Ircher]

That's a lot of pages that happened while I was playing, why cant people be this active when I'm around.
Oh well time to read

You could do that.... Or you could skip those pages and converse with the present!

[Ircher]

Didn't that exist?

[Ircher]

I'd like it to skip dawn.

[Ircher]

No.

[Ircher]

I am convinced at this point that Victorine is in fact town.

[Ircher]

How about you do it in the reverse order? Vote me out first and then vote anyone but Victorine second?

[Ircher]

Rat. Probably others

[Ircher]

It's not that I'm

that

confident. It's that the reverse order is better from a mechanical standpoint.

[Ircher]

Though I would say I'm at like 80% confidence in Victorine!Town right now.

[Ircher]

I shall elect not to say more with regards to that.

[Ircher]

You think by being vague you’ll draw votes huh
Everybody on Victorine, NOW.

No. There is a benefit to saying less versus saying more.

[Ircher]

Do you think Ircher and Visterence are scumbuds, and that Visterene has a better role?

That's precisely what he is thinking. It's wrong, but you are free to assume what you like.

[Ircher]

There is no probably. Either you do or you don't. That's an incriminating response.

[Ircher]

That's not how it works. A scale where 50% is really 3/4s of the way is useless.

[Ircher]

We can kill Galron as well.

[Ircher]

You aren't refuting me. It's your guilty conscience speaking.

[Ircher]

That's not how it works. A scale where 50% is really 3/4s of the way is useless.

That's exactly how it works
It is a lower bar to consider someone town than scum

If you say you're 80% sure someone is town, it means you think that 4 times out of 5 they will flip town

You shouldn't be interpreting as a probability. Others may be using it as a way to indicate a probability, but I am quite clearly not doing that.

[Ircher]

If scum!Victorine wanted to coast in this game, she would have just kept up her minimal engagement with the game. That's not at all what happened. Over the course of today, she has offered significant amounts of information unrequested from her.

[Ircher]

Yes.

This is the disclaimer I put at the bottom of every single one of my colored reads list:

Players are placed in different sections based on my confidence in the read expressed as a percentage. A positive percentage indicates that I leans towards town on a player whereas a negative percentage indicates I lean towards scum on a player. Please note that the Null section contains both townreads and scumreads, and you must look a the sign of the percentage in parenthesis to determine which way I lean.

Confidence ratings are rough estimates (and somewhat arbitrary) and are relative to one another. In addition, they tend to be scored on a quadratic scale versus a linear scale; in other words, the difference between 0% and 30% tends to be less than the difference between 30% and 60%.

[Ircher]

And even if it wasn't clear initially, it ought to be by this point.

[Ircher]

It's not misleading, and though aspects of it are qualitative, that doesn't mean the quantitative side needs to be ditched altogether.

[Ircher]

(Also, that reads list was a joke if people haven't figured that out by now.)

[Ircher]

Or to put it this way: if I guess a player's flavor correctly, I get a reward. Just like in those old 'prize catching games' at carnivals.

Mo did in fact request this, but that doesn't really mean she was obligated to answer such a rolefishing question, yet she did so after all.

[Ircher]

i still don't understand ircher confidence on victorine and he has spent more time arguing about how he determines a confidence level than he has on explain why he is actually confident enough about victorine to justify the statement of "why not yeet ME first and then not victorine"

Only one person has actually asked me to defend the read. Everyone else has been arguing about how to interpret confidence levels.

[Ircher]

If scum!Victorine wanted to coast in this game, she would have just kept up her minimal engagement with the game. That's not at all what happened. Over the course of today, she has offered significant amounts of information unrequested from her.

I will update this to say that the unrequested part is a stretch, but the overall point still stands that she was much more engaged than I would expect her to be if her goal is simply to survive.

[Ircher]

You asked her what her night ability was. @Mo

[Ircher]

I mean, I asked you about why you felt that Victorine appeared to be excited to play the game and I thought your answer wasn't very convincing

You asked this before Victorine started seriously engaging with the thread. Your outlook would probably be different now even if you come to the same conclusion.

[Ircher]

Sure. I'll flip town tho, but okay

This was also townie. It may seem like an easy statement to fake, but the phrasing and underlying tone is key. It's not a defeatist attitude, but at the same time, it acknowledges the game state and what may be better overall.

[Ircher]

Victorine Are You Allowed To Explain Your Post Restriction In Detail Or Is That Part Of The Restriction

I am required to post 1000 or more words 5 times per game day.

Also, I'm going to point out that while I think Victorine has in fact by this point met this requirement (if quotes and spoilered stuff count), it doesn't appear to me that she has actually been actively trying to stay true to this. What I mean is that given her night ability depends on her meeting her post restriction, I would feel scum!her would be more incentivized to actually fulfill the requirement.

[Ircher]

What made you think it was false?

[Ircher]

Coinci-not.

[Ircher]

I doubt the shot was real. If it was, well you'll know what I am soon enough.

[Ircher]

Coinci-not.

what were u

Your worst nightmare.

[Ircher]

Victorine, Good Luck, Cheeky town
Deimos, Taly, rat scum

Probably more but that's off the top of my head.

[Ircher]

Imagine getting shot and not giving reads

My belief in Ircher's scumminess only grows

You gave me less than 2 minutes to respond not to mention pedits.

[Ircher]

The overall impression I am getting from Taly is he is struggling to get actually in the game. This is evidenced by each of his constant backtracking on reads. To be clear, one or two read reversals are fine, but it seems he tries to start a wagon, it gains some momentum, and then suddenly he is no longer interested in it. This just seems really strange. This combined with the higher level of aggression equates a scum read.

[Ircher]

omg stop disappearing @ircher

Stop being impatient.

[Ircher]

For Deimos, he strikes me as the most likely deepscum. Should I be making such reads rn? Probably not, but I am anyway.

[Ircher]

Do you not think that is Taly readjusting reads in light of new content brought about by wagon pressure? Because that's what I think that is

It's possible sure. But the other aspect is he keeps going from super confident someone is going to flip scum to a complete read reversal of being committed they are town. It's unusual behavior, and I am associating that with scum-indicative.

pedit: To be clear, I'm not actively townreading Deimos, but I would also be lying if I said there were any specific posts I actively scum read.

[Ircher]

Sometimes you have to follow your instincts.

[Ircher]

why does scum put themselves out in the open like that by casing deimos

I quite clearly didn't case Deimos.

[Ircher]

in my deifntion, it means you had them as a scumread.

which you did.

That is not what casing entails.

[Ircher]

anwyays, thats irrelevant to anything.

now is loftwing worse than ircher

Well is he? You tell me.

[Ircher]

I am town if and only if I am not town.

[Ircher]

If Ircher is town then I would lock in Vic assuming Irchers role is somewhat informed about Vics role.

I will be clear here: I do not have a mechanical reason to believe Victorine is town.

@Mo Did you try working out the logic?

[Ircher]

If someone is pushing people and then changing their mind and they are doing that a lot then that is absolutely town. You believe Taly is struggling to get into the game, but you don't extend that argument for that to be a result of a town player whose pushes continually end up being townreads based on their reaction. That's a town player who hasn't hit scum, but not for lack of trying

You are focusing on a particular aspect where as I am looking at this more holistically. Could I be wrong? Sure. Is it likely I am wrong here? Probably. The fact of the matter though is that the way he is approaching the thread just doesn't feel like a townie. The aggression aspect is also playing a huge part in my read here with the caveat that it is also correlated with his frustration level in general.

[Ircher]

OK.. but say you're limmed, do you still want Vic as lock town?
~C

Not lock town, but I'd say don't touch for 2 game days. After that, you can reevaluate.

[Ircher]

if you flip vic
vic = scum = ircher being scum due to defense
vic = town = ircher being scum due to having tmi

I'm sorry, what kind of logic is this? You're assuming my guilt regardless.

[Ircher]

VOTE: rat

[Ircher]

VOTE: rat

[Ircher]

VOTE: rat

[Ircher]

Get off rat

Zero chance of that.

[Ircher]

No, it doesn't really matter if I'm hammered.

[Ircher]

I think you're reading in to that too much Deimos.

[Ircher]

We're at 159 pages. That's plenty of content.

[Ircher]

Which is why I asked whether you believed it
To which you responded explicitly that you did
Before correcting yourself

Her story is straight. Just because she can see after the fact that, "Oh, I probably shouldn't have taken it at face value" doesn't mean she did in the heat of the moment.

[Ircher]

But will they is the question.

You would have to ask mastina. (But probably not tbh...)

[Ircher]

We're at 159 pages. That's plenty of content.

Why are you so insistent on dying, anyway

Why shouldn't I be?

"Ask not what the game can do for you – ask what you can do for the game."

[Ircher]

I want another round of content comprising people's reads on this reaction test and updated reads on you

No one is going to read that as we've spammed like 30 pages in the last 3 hours.

[Ircher]

We are well past the point of limming Gamma. No one willing to kill me rn would be willing to go there.

[Ircher]

I also lack the charisma, will, and time to try to spearhead a different wagon anyway.

[Ircher]

Why wait for an expert when you can do the research yourself? My wiki page has all the info you will need to make an informed decision.

[Ircher]

Have a good night!

[Ircher]

Oh no, a post was deleted! jjh's post was the pagetop just a minute ago!

[Ircher]

oh nvm

[Ircher]

Forgetting you had a class all semester until the day of finals and then you can find the class room?

That is in fact very close. I will say no more.

[Ircher]

VOTE:

[Ircher]

i forgot about the game for 24 hours and there's another 1000 posts
i'm beginning to sympathise with galron's plight

You should just vote the 2nd biggest wagon.

[Ircher]

Okay, do you people want me to pull legitimate reads out of my backside when I literally said I can't do that until D2/D3. Is ignoring that part and expecting the impossible working out for you?!

Sure.

[Ircher]

Nah, everyone will just continuous ask her for reads.

[Ircher]

It's because Ircher is scum
I'm voting Ircher

Yes, I'm aware you're scum.

[Ircher]

Yo hi i'll be back soonish

why is ircher not dead

Why should I be dead from your perspective when you haven't been around the last few days?

[Ircher]

No because it would get ignored.

[Ircher]

Claiming Dawn Voyeur; I only detect actions performed during Dawn phases. I may or may not have additional abilities. Gl town; you're going to need it.

[Ircher]

The latter quite obviously is happening.

[Ircher]

In fact, you could hammer right now!

[Ircher]

Happy scum day Smart!

[Ircher]

No.

[Ircher]

I am. Taly, Ydrasse, and Clemency have voted me since the last VC, and only Taly unvoted, but he wasn't voting me to begin with.

[Ircher]

ircher not being here at hammer >> usually implies being scum (from my expierence)

Lol, sure. I had class.

[Ircher]

Anyway, I am also a supersaint, so bye bye T3.

[Ircher]

Anyway, I am also a supersaint, so bye bye T3.

Why didn’t you claim that ffs?

Because then no one would be willing to hammer.

[Ircher]

Well at this point Taly, you aren't trying to convince me. You are trying to convince everyone else.

[Ircher]

My solve is currently something like Taly/Deimos27/ratmans/Gypyx/T3.

For townreads: Cheeky, Sakura, Good Luck, Victorine, jjh927, Smart

pedit: Supersaint kills the hammerer. Otherwise, I would have just self-hammered.

[Ircher]

Someone else probably has a role that operates in twilight.

[Ircher]

A Super Saint is a Vengeful Townie who only kills the person who placed the hammer vote (they do not get to choose). The Super Saint is notably featured in the mafia variant SS3.

[Ircher]

Is this based off associative tells or is this just disconnected scumreads?

None of them are associative reads.

[Ircher]

Fwiw, I would put more stock in my townreads here than my scum reads, though I still think Rat and Gypyx should both die.

[Ircher]

And when I flip green?

[Ircher]

5

[Ircher]

10 for the win.

[Ircher]

13

[Ircher]

18

[Ircher]

29

[Ircher]

We needed a lim, and I was not in favor of Victorine being the lim. Besides, you get more info this way.

31

[Ircher]

33

[Ircher]

Experiment is tomorrow but presentation is Friday I mean

What are you presenting? 42

[Ircher]

44

[Ircher]

Ooh fun stuff.

49

[Ircher]

53 embarrassing indeed.

[Ircher]

55

pretty good for the most part. I have a major presentation tomorrow which is really the only thing that worries me.

[Ircher]

五十九

[Ircher]

Ah, the pedit messed me up :/

[Ircher]

六十一

[Ircher]

六十三

[Ircher]

六十五

[Ircher]

七十三

[Ircher]

一百七十五

[Ircher]

178 jjh is probably asleep

[Ircher]

But I'm sure he would be willing to give you an extra day at least if you so say it.

[Ircher]

181

[Ircher]

188

[Ircher]

191

[Ircher]

What was Sakura's role?

[Ircher]

Thanks for modding RC. Gg everyone.