Anything uPick (Endgame)

[Cheeky Wings]

and if you REFUSE to scumread me

just implies you want to kill us later

and you don't want your nightkill to fail.

implies a GUILTY MINDSET

Love this catch-22. Sakura needs people to tr her and you need people to sr you for your roles to work, so I can tell the truth about my Sakura read but apparently am required to lie about my read on you. Is that correct?

What if I post the following:

I scumread GLB

but don’t actually believe it, does it still count?

[Cheeky Wings]

Also

I townread Sakura

which I actually do believe. This game is wild.

[Cheeky Wings]

we have a town role

GODZILLA

anyone who fears us can't kill us.

fear = scumread

so if you quote this post and say "I scumread this"

your nightkill on us would fail

that's why I'm trying to get everyone to scumread me

so I can be NIGHTKILL IMMUNE FROM EVERYONE

also we town af

How do you seriously expect anyone to sr this post?

I believe you’re town but not sure if you’re memeing or not.

[Cheeky Wings]

btw if you don't quote my post and scumread us, that's just like a scumclaim cuz you want to like shoot us at night or some bullshit fyi

Tell me which specific post I need to quote and claim to sr you and I’ll do it then.

[Cheeky Wings]

I have a special power that I can activate on people who "scumread" this post

it's called OMGUS CANNON

if you are not scared of it you should scumread this post

I scumread GLB

[Cheeky Wings]

i genuinely scumread the hydra of pookythemagicalbear and firebringer also known as good luck buddy

You need to quote 111 and say that or it doesn’t count.

I think they came up with a scummy sounding flavour in order to hopefully get a role like this but if Gamma flips scum, GLB will be locktown because Pooky doesn’t bus. That’s how you will know.

However, it wouldn’t shock me in the slightest if they were telling the truth about their flavour but the rest of it was made up for lulz. So I decided to humour it regardless.

If I thought Gamma was more likely to be flipping town, I probably wouldn’t have made that post.

[Cheeky Wings]

we have a town role

GODZILLA

anyone who fears us can't kill us.

fear = scumread

so if you quote this post and say "I scumread this"

your nightkill on us would fail

that's why I'm trying to get everyone to scumread me

so I can be NIGHTKILL IMMUNE FROM EVERYONE

also we town af

I scumread this post

[Cheeky Wings]

Is it only the last read that matters? Like, if someone were to express a different read after initially scumreading you, would you still be immune?

They have two posts which they claimed you need to quote. One has Godzilla in it, the other one has “omgus cannon”. I really hope someone creates that account post-game.

[Cheeky Wings]

we already got you to scumread us when I fake-scumread you earlier in the game lol

we already got you to scumread us when I fake-scumread you earlier in the game lol

Oh so I didn’t need to bother then. If you guys flip some kind of reverse jester, I wouldn’t be entirely shocked but don’t think if RC has ever created a setup with jesters in it.

[Cheeky Wings]

Yeah, I knew that either of you activity sr me had to be bs.

[Cheeky Wings]

I say that everyone in the playerlist needs to quote that GLB post and claim to sr it before we hammer Gamma, so it’s actually good Cheeky unvoted because we shouldn’t end the day before that happens.

[Cheeky Wings]

Gamma Emerald (9): Taly, Ydrasse, Deimos27, Good Luck Buddy, Ircher, Sakura Hana, T3, Cheeky Wings, Queen

Anyone want to take a guess at how many scum currently on wagon in both Gamma universes?
~C

Sure. If Gamma is town, maybe 2-3. If Gamma is scum, probably just Queen.

You don't think many would bus for cred after his anti-spew?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

our original plan was to get scumread by the entire game so we'd be fully nightkill immune but not reveal this part of our role so the scum would waste their nightkills on us and be like lolcrushed

but now that we're not getting scumread anymore I have decided to claim this so that we can just force everyone to give us nightkill immunity.

You already said much earlier in your iso that you couldn't be NK, but I appreciate your desperation to get town cred while claiming the contrary.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

our original plan was to get scumread by the entire game so we'd be fully nightkill immune but not reveal this part of our role so the scum would waste their nightkills on us and be like lolcrushed

but now that we're not getting scumread anymore I have decided to claim this so that we can just force everyone to give us nightkill immunity.

You already said much earlier in your iso that you couldn't be NK, but I appreciate your desperation to get town cred while claiming the contrary.
~C

Gamma and GLB are never SvS.

[Cheeky Wings]

I'm going to unvote because I'm not even close to ready for the day to end yet with Gamma at L-2.
~C

We really didn’t need to unvote because of E -2 but whatever.

I think it’s the right vote because I don’t buy Gamma’s claiming he posted gifs instead of making reads based off being “spiteful” since his posting att read anything but to me.

I kinda projected my current feels onto my past feelings a little there as well
but like, I definitely was feeling like my mood could use some cheering up

That’s probably what you should have said but you didn’t. You specifically said you were feeling “spiteful”. And even if you were claiming feeling dejected which would actually be more believable, it still doesn’t explain why you posted nothing but gifs.

If I knew I was toog’s intended target, I’d want my final reads to be made obvious but sorry I don’t believe you. Posting gifs reads blatant antispew to me and I know you know this because when we were buddies in a past game, you very cleverly did just that.

You miscalculated on Koba flipping out on toog and him switching his target.

[Cheeky Wings]

we have a town role

GODZILLA

anyone who fears us can't kill us.

fear = scumread

so if you quote this post and say "I scumread this"

your nightkill on us would fail

that's why I'm trying to get everyone to scumread me

so I can be NIGHTKILL IMMUNE FROM EVERYONE

also we town af

ya okay buddy sure, like we're gonna belive that lol, can we get the scum?

also on a side note it's funny how we have both a towread-related claim and a scumread-related

It’s only funny if you’ve never played in an RC uPick. Never anywhere else would you ever expect to see a post restricted delayed IC who isn’t allowed to talk about anything other than tp.

I would be entirely shocked if there isn’t at least one player in this list with some comperable crazy-ass type of role.

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

I'm going to unvote because I'm not even close to ready for the day to end yet with Gamma at L-2.
~C

We really didn’t need to unvote because of E -2 but whatever.

I think it’s the right vote because I don’t buy Gamma’s claiming he posted gifs instead of making reads based off being “spiteful” since his posting att read anything but to me.

I kinda projected my current feels onto my past feelings a little there as well
but like, I definitely was feeling like my mood could use some cheering up

That’s probably what you should have said but you didn’t. You specifically said you were feeling “spiteful”. And even if you were claiming feeling dejected which would actually be more believable, it still doesn’t explain why you posted nothing but gifs.

If I knew I was toog’s intended target, I’d want my final reads to be made obvious but sorry I don’t believe you. Posting gifs reads blatant antispew to me and I know you know this because when we were buddies in a past game, you very cleverly did just that.

You miscalculated on Koba flipping out on toog and him switching his target.

Eta: I specifically mean antispew not post gifs. Gamma was being hard questioned to give reads but he immediately saw the trap that town player had set for him and avoided it.

[Cheeky Wings]

Nancy

I'm giving off mad Starcraft 2 and mid-game Chiptune Mafia energy, how do I bring this to a SUPP 2019, Among Us, or Boonietoonz

Taly

?

I’m not familiar with Chiptune Mafia or Among Us. I don’t remember if I played in Boonietoonz or not. I don’t get the SUPP 2019 reference.

So the only thing I understand out of your post is SC 2 and how no one listened to me after I called Creature locktown and limmed him after Powderpuff girls got NK’d.

[Cheeky Wings]

when we were buddies in a past game, you very cleverly did just that

Which one, MD?

Krazy tried to trick you but you immediately saw through that.

Spoiler:

Please no non-game related posts about Krazy, thanks.

[Cheeky Wings]

Gamma what alignment is your soul

I'm not without hubris and I've been wrong on you before.

But I have detected tone from you that I thought was present when we were scum recently - I was Cupcake Butterfly.

OMB, I was really upset when you got stupidly miselimed in that. I almost didn’t want to continue playing but it all worked out in the end.

[Cheeky Wings]

Hey how about you give me homework

What are 3 slots you want a Taly report card on?

Ircher, Diemos, Queen I guess, maybe rat?

[Cheeky Wings]

Oh and good picks nancy

<3

Maybe we’re just birds of a feather?

Spoiler:

[Cheeky Wings]

when we were buddies in a past game, you very cleverly did just that

Which one, MD?

Krazy tried to trick you but you immediately saw through that.

Spoiler:

Please no non-game related posts about Krazy, thanks.

Okay but like, it’s not like I would have even had solid reads had I tried to actually provide since like half the game isn’t involved rn
In the nameless RC UPick I farted out a read list eod1 at someone’s request and like, 33% percent of it was me having to ISO slots and form an opinion based on what I could find
I could have done that here but my heart was absolutely not in it and I hate taking half-measures, though that’s probably gotten me in more trouble than I’d like to admit because it results in putting shit off near-indefinitely

But you already said you posted reads which you had, so why couldn’t you have just said, remember my reads after I’m dead?

Sorry, I’m just not buying this. Saying that would have taken 0 effort.

[Cheeky Wings]

Why do you townread me?

You kinda seem to be approaching me in a way that’s p weird if you’re scum, I feel like you’re kinda acting like I’m a weird kid in school who doesn’t fit it and you just don’t know what to do with me, if you were scum you could just SR me and be good but it’s that vibe of disappointment with me that makes you town

Had you done anything like this after you thought you were going to die, I very much doubt you’d be lead wagon rn.

Also, you’re tr pretty townie slots anyway, so you’re still really not providing us much info with this.

I’m way more interested in who you sr. I know you’re alreadyvoting Diemos. Any other srs?

[Cheeky Wings]

what a scummy reaction to getting nuked off the planet

aight this post right here is 100% anti-aligned with scum gamma

Looking back at that, I came across this post which confirms what I’ve already posted about Buddy.

[Cheeky Wings]

This really just feels like you’re bitching at me for not doing something how you would.

I just find some of your posts about that contradictory. Like claiming “spiteful” when you didn’t seem at all angry and jjh had to push you to vote Diemos instead of Queen who you weren’t even sr.

[Cheeky Wings]

Is Gamma really scum.
Those last few posts seem genuine idk.

I was in a game once where this player who was really sick, referenced that in an extremely genuine way, so people - myself included - was convinced they had to be town in that because everything they posted wrt ton they’re being sick was as genuine af but when they made any reads, they all sounded wooden.

I believe that Gamma is very sincerely upset about the position he finds himself in here. I don’t doubt any of that’s genuine.

He definitely sounds defeated, I’ll give you that but defeated scum or defeated town is the question and my spidy senses are leaning scum.

[Cheeky Wings]

I could give final reads but I’ve basically said everything I’ve felt aloud atp so reading my ISO would accomplish the same thing

Is this not in essence that exact thing?

That is a valid point but okay explain why you were hardpushing Datisi then pretty much suddenly dropped it once you thought you were done for because that made absolutely no sense to me.

[Cheeky Wings]

The spiteful thing yeah that was bad but also I was kinda dealing with some shit irl
But the Queen vote in an impeccable example of me getting pushed simply because I tried to do something that people felt like was the wrong way to go about the thing

The reason that Queen vote is suss is because you were pushing Diemos and also rat, so it made no sense to be voting Queen unless you literally had no scrs.

[Cheeky Wings]

I just looked over Loftwing’s ISO and it feels like, actively bad

Can you explain why because considering who his main is, that’s Loft in pretty much every damned game.

[Cheeky Wings]

The spiteful thing yeah that was bad but also I was kinda dealing with some shit irl
But the Queen vote in an impeccable example of me getting pushed simply because I tried to do something that people felt like was the wrong way to go about the thing

The reason that Queen vote is suss is because you were pushing Diemos and also rat, so it made no sense to be voting Queen unless you literally had no scrs.

That is literally how I try to to apply my vote as town though, is to apply pressure. And just because I’m voting somewhere doesn’t mean I have a confident SR there, especially on D1. You should honestly be intimately familiar with this stuff about me.

Why should I be familiar with this? I’m obviously not, so provide some examples from some past towngames then I guess but I just don’t see the town fire from you that I saw in both CoD and me v Titus here when I wrongly pushed you. You didn’t sound defeated there, you sounded like you wanted my head and I’ve seen you do that as town in plenty of games. You just don’t sound genuinely outraged like you did in both of those games.

Now I can understand dejection post toog threat but why now? I mean you’re doing stiff but I’m not getting any outrage. I feel really bad for you because I believe you’re genuinely sad but that in itself isn’t enough for me to change my read on you.

[Cheeky Wings]

In previous games it’s felt like he was trying to contribute and just falling flat
Here he’s done absolutely nothing and played jestery on top of that

Unfortunately I’ve seen him do that as town. Loft very frequently plays antitown irrespective of alignment.

Can you provide examples of this, both as town and scum?

[Cheeky Wings]

I kinda just lost my job because I got snippy so excuse me for being muted as a result

Oh well sorry to hear that then.

[Cheeky Wings]

The spiteful thing yeah that was bad but also I was kinda dealing with some shit irl
But the Queen vote in an impeccable example of me getting pushed simply because I tried to do something that people felt like was the wrong way to go about the thing

The reason that Queen vote is suss is because you were pushing Diemos and also rat, so it made no sense to be voting Queen unless you literally had no scrs.

That is literally how I try to to apply my vote as town though, is to apply pressure. And just because I’m voting somewhere doesn’t mean I have a confident SR there, especially on D1. You should honestly be intimately familiar with this stuff about me.

Why should I be familiar with this? I’m obviously not, so provide some examples from some past towngames then I guess but I just don’t see the town fire from you that I saw in both CoD and me v Titus here when I wrongly pushed you. You didn’t sound defeated there, you sounded like you wanted my head and I’ve seen you do that as town in plenty of games. You just don’t sound genuinely outraged like you did in both of those games.

Now I can understand dejection post toog threat but why now? I mean you’re doing stiff but I’m not getting any outrage. I feel really bad for you because I believe you’re genuinely sad but that in itself isn’t enough for me to change my read on you.

i hard disagree with you and hard agree with gamma.

even though it can be used for WIFOM purposes ; usually the person that is ouyt there pushing and making pressure on a slot that hasn't been told off yet -- comes from a town mindset. as scum, you will be more confiding, you will be scared to come out and push. as town, you are more likely to keep a thought process of "who's scum... how are they going to react if i push them..." this goes from expierence, surely specifically my expierence. i've played with gamma before personally, this stuff that you are reading gamma off is nai. find another branch m8

I was basing that off of a couple of games when I hard tunnelled him as town, which is why I’m asking him for examples of this. I’m very happy to be wrong here if that’s the case.

[Cheeky Wings]

I kinda just lost my job because I got snippy so excuse me for being muted as a result

Oh well sorry to hear that then.

hello?

Hello what?

I don’t doubt for a minute that he’s upset about that.

[Cheeky Wings]

The spiteful thing yeah that was bad but also I was kinda dealing with some shit irl
But the Queen vote in an impeccable example of me getting pushed simply because I tried to do something that people felt like was the wrong way to go about the thing

The reason that Queen vote is suss is because you were pushing Diemos and also rat, so it made no sense to be voting Queen unless you literally had no scrs.

That is literally how I try to to apply my vote as town though, is to apply pressure. And just because I’m voting somewhere doesn’t mean I have a confident SR there, especially on D1. You should honestly be intimately familiar with this stuff about me.

Why should I be familiar with this? I’m obviously not, so provide some examples from some past towngames then I guess but I just don’t see the town fire from you that I saw in both CoD and me v Titus here when I wrongly pushed you. You didn’t sound defeated there, you sounded like you wanted my head and I’ve seen you do that as town in plenty of games. You just don’t sound genuinely outraged like you did in both of those games.

Now I can understand dejection post toog threat but why now? I mean you’re doing stiff but I’m not getting any outrage. I feel really bad for you because I believe you’re genuinely sad but that in itself isn’t enough for me to change my read on you.

i hard disagree with you and hard agree with gamma.

even though it can be used for WIFOM purposes ; usually the person that is ouyt there pushing and making pressure on a slot that hasn't been told off yet -- comes from a town mindset. as scum, you will be more confiding, you will be scared to come out and push. as town, you are more likely to keep a thought process of "who's scum... how are they going to react if i push them..." this goes from expierence, surely specifically my expierence. i've played with gamma before personally, this stuff that you are reading gamma off is nai. find another branch m8

I was basing that off of a couple of games when I hard tunnelled him as town, which is why I’m asking him for examples of this. I’m very happy to be wrong here if that’s the case.

huh? u said u sus gamma because of them pressuring someone. when was this bout u?

He was hardpushing Datisi and suddenly dropped it, once toog said he was going to bomb him. What about me? He was pushing Dats not me.

[Cheeky Wings]

I kinda just lost my job because I got snippy so excuse me for being muted as a result

Oh well sorry to hear that then.

hello?

Hello what?

I don’t doubt for a minute that he’s upset about that.

no i was talking to u . u were taking a long time to respond LOL sorry

but yea im sorry for u gamma<3 hope all goes well

I know you were addressing that to me. I’m asking him if he has any examples of when he reacted this way as town because that obviously would be extremely helpful, don’t you agree?

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

and have you considered that i'm peeved because i'm being shitpushed for no reason?

I wouldn’t say it’s “for no reason” and you swiping at me for using that wording out of turn just to use it yourself shows a stunning lack of self-awareness. And what about the push on you is bad here? I and others think Ydrasse is town, you seem to have a problem with that, and on some level it feels scum-motivated.

pooky started shitpushing me because i wrote one post then ghosted the thread, and then he started pushing me for not scumreading him back, because apparently that means i am terrified scum who's afraid of getting into a small shitfight. i don't think it's too unrealistic to say that those reasons are obviously nonsense.

i pretty much explained why i didn't like your push on me. your accusations of me being annoyed and of me questioning others's reads of ydrasse seem to be automatically assuming the worst case scenario without actually considering what is more likely to be happening. and your claim of me being threatened by ydrasse being townread also makes no sense, because how is that a threat to me?

tbh the Ydrasse being a threat thing feels like you’re running with something I said like once and acting like it’s a key point for me, I really just feel like you were bothered by Ydrasse getting townread easily for reasons other than that you SR her

I hard townread datisi
Datisi who do townread. I want to create a town block ignoring this noise

try to convince me this is a genuine attempt at building a townblock and not a pocketing of the local village idiot?

I really cant rn but i think you're a valuable fulcrum player who helps keep town stable as ive seen it b4 and i want to wave off the pressure you're getting unjustly so you're able to shine.
At the very minimum in a scum me world im playing very subtoptomally doing so

interesting
What makes you call the pressure on Datisi unjust?

@dats I feel like you were actively avoiding giving a real opinion on what you thought of me+Ircher as a unit to keep stances open, think I’ve made that clear
I might ISO you to figure out why you SR Ydrasse but I’m not really driven to do so rn so you condensing it a bit would help even if it’s just highlighting the focal points for when I

do

ISO you for it

i'm scumreading her bc her intro read about me ghosting therefore me scum was very weird and obviously false, the backtrack she tried to do when i called her out on it was somewhat awkward, i feel like she's townreading me to placate me, and on the overall scale, she's done... nothing? like, you haven't responded to me asking where is she re-evaluating anything.

@gamms

The only thing that really stick out as really worth much is the bit about the backtrack, also don’t like you bringing in the idea that she hasn’t done anything because I feel like she’s done

some things

but not a lot

Why is it between us two
I’m not feeling tooo great about my Datisi SR and Deimos pushing me/Datisi as a dichotomy feels kinda yucky as a result

Gamma can you explain why you did that 180 on Dats?

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

and have you considered that i'm peeved because i'm being shitpushed for no reason?

I wouldn’t say it’s “for no reason” and you swiping at me for using that wording out of turn just to use it yourself shows a stunning lack of self-awareness. And what about the push on you is bad here? I and others think Ydrasse is town, you seem to have a problem with that, and on some level it feels scum-motivated.

pooky started shitpushing me because i wrote one post then ghosted the thread, and then he started pushing me for not scumreading him back, because apparently that means i am terrified scum who's afraid of getting into a small shitfight. i don't think it's too unrealistic to say that those reasons are obviously nonsense.

i pretty much explained why i didn't like your push on me. your accusations of me being annoyed and of me questioning others's reads of ydrasse seem to be automatically assuming the worst case scenario without actually considering what is more likely to be happening. and your claim of me being threatened by ydrasse being townread also makes no sense, because how is that a threat to me?

tbh the Ydrasse being a threat thing feels like you’re running with something I said like once and acting like it’s a key point for me, I really just feel like you were bothered by Ydrasse getting townread easily for reasons other than that you SR her

I hard townread datisi
Datisi who do townread. I want to create a town block ignoring this noise

try to convince me this is a genuine attempt at building a townblock and not a pocketing of the local village idiot?

I really cant rn but i think you're a valuable fulcrum player who helps keep town stable as ive seen it b4 and i want to wave off the pressure you're getting unjustly so you're able to shine.
At the very minimum in a scum me world im playing very subtoptomally doing so

interesting
What makes you call the pressure on Datisi unjust?

@dats I feel like you were actively avoiding giving a real opinion on what you thought of me+Ircher as a unit to keep stances open, think I’ve made that clear
I might ISO you to figure out why you SR Ydrasse but I’m not really driven to do so rn so you condensing it a bit would help even if it’s just highlighting the focal points for when I

do

ISO you for it

i'm scumreading her bc her intro read about me ghosting therefore me scum was very weird and obviously false, the backtrack she tried to do when i called her out on it was somewhat awkward, i feel like she's townreading me to placate me, and on the overall scale, she's done... nothing? like, you haven't responded to me asking where is she re-evaluating anything.

@gamms

The only thing that really stick out as really worth much is the bit about the backtrack, also don’t like you bringing in the idea that she hasn’t done anything because I feel like she’s done

some things

but not a lot

Why is it between us two
I’m not feeling tooo great about my Datisi SR and Deimos pushing me/Datisi as a dichotomy feels kinda yucky as a result

Gamma can you explain why you did that 180 on Dats?

@Mo

Ftr, I’m still extremely torn here. I’m not extremely confident one way or the other and I still lean scum but it’s like I’m feeling an internal battle and don’t want to be wrong either way.

That’s why I keep pushing him for reactions so I can feel really confident one way the another.

[Cheeky Wings]

He was hardpushing Datisi and suddenly dropped it, once toog said he was going to bomb him.

I’ve already demonstrated this timeline is wrong.

Now

I’m fed up with this push, because you’re not absorbing the evidence that plainly contradicts the narrative you’ve cooked up for why I’m scum.

I’m not, I’m still trying to understand this. Be mad at me all you want but this is extremely unfair. You know that’s not what I’m doing.

[Cheeky Wings]

I don’t have to ask you anything. There are what like 8 people voting you and I’m trying to correctly sort you. If you want me to stop doing that, just say the word.

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

and have you considered that i'm peeved because i'm being shitpushed for no reason?

I wouldn’t say it’s “for no reason” and you swiping at me for using that wording out of turn just to use it yourself shows a stunning lack of self-awareness. And what about the push on you is bad here? I and others think Ydrasse is town, you seem to have a problem with that, and on some level it feels scum-motivated.

pooky started shitpushing me because i wrote one post then ghosted the thread, and then he started pushing me for not scumreading him back, because apparently that means i am terrified scum who's afraid of getting into a small shitfight. i don't think it's too unrealistic to say that those reasons are obviously nonsense.

i pretty much explained why i didn't like your push on me. your accusations of me being annoyed and of me questioning others's reads of ydrasse seem to be automatically assuming the worst case scenario without actually considering what is more likely to be happening. and your claim of me being threatened by ydrasse being townread also makes no sense, because how is that a threat to me?

tbh the Ydrasse being a threat thing feels like you’re running with something I said like once and acting like it’s a key point for me, I really just feel like you were bothered by Ydrasse getting townread easily for reasons other than that you SR her

I hard townread datisi
Datisi who do townread. I want to create a town block ignoring this noise

try to convince me this is a genuine attempt at building a townblock and not a pocketing of the local village idiot?

I really cant rn but i think you're a valuable fulcrum player who helps keep town stable as ive seen it b4 and i want to wave off the pressure you're getting unjustly so you're able to shine.
At the very minimum in a scum me world im playing very subtoptomally doing so

interesting
What makes you call the pressure on Datisi unjust?

@dats I feel like you were actively avoiding giving a real opinion on what you thought of me+Ircher as a unit to keep stances open, think I’ve made that clear
I might ISO you to figure out why you SR Ydrasse but I’m not really driven to do so rn so you condensing it a bit would help even if it’s just highlighting the focal points for when I

do

ISO you for it

i'm scumreading her bc her intro read about me ghosting therefore me scum was very weird and obviously false, the backtrack she tried to do when i called her out on it was somewhat awkward, i feel like she's townreading me to placate me, and on the overall scale, she's done... nothing? like, you haven't responded to me asking where is she re-evaluating anything.

@gamms

The only thing that really stick out as really worth much is the bit about the backtrack, also don’t like you bringing in the idea that she hasn’t done anything because I feel like she’s done

some things

but not a lot

Why is it between us two
I’m not feeling tooo great about my Datisi SR and Deimos pushing me/Datisi as a dichotomy feels kinda yucky as a result

Gamma can you explain why you did that 180 on Dats?

It was a combo of the AtE hitting a certain chord for me, it not feeling like how he was acting in mini 2246, and the fact that Deimos asking about voting between me and Datisi felt very much like a false dichotomy.

Can you link/quote that game for me please?

[Cheeky Wings]

You know what, sure, just fucking vote me. You were talking about how I wasn’t getting upset like I had in the past but you had a problem with it when I did. You’re clearly not thinking straight here.

Well then, please help me to fucking do that then.

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

and have you considered that i'm peeved because i'm being shitpushed for no reason?

I wouldn’t say it’s “for no reason” and you swiping at me for using that wording out of turn just to use it yourself shows a stunning lack of self-awareness. And what about the push on you is bad here? I and others think Ydrasse is town, you seem to have a problem with that, and on some level it feels scum-motivated.

pooky started shitpushing me because i wrote one post then ghosted the thread, and then he started pushing me for not scumreading him back, because apparently that means i am terrified scum who's afraid of getting into a small shitfight. i don't think it's too unrealistic to say that those reasons are obviously nonsense.

i pretty much explained why i didn't like your push on me. your accusations of me being annoyed and of me questioning others's reads of ydrasse seem to be automatically assuming the worst case scenario without actually considering what is more likely to be happening. and your claim of me being threatened by ydrasse being townread also makes no sense, because how is that a threat to me?

tbh the Ydrasse being a threat thing feels like you’re running with something I said like once and acting like it’s a key point for me, I really just feel like you were bothered by Ydrasse getting townread easily for reasons other than that you SR her

I hard townread datisi
Datisi who do townread. I want to create a town block ignoring this noise

try to convince me this is a genuine attempt at building a townblock and not a pocketing of the local village idiot?

I really cant rn but i think you're a valuable fulcrum player who helps keep town stable as ive seen it b4 and i want to wave off the pressure you're getting unjustly so you're able to shine.
At the very minimum in a scum me world im playing very subtoptomally doing so

interesting
What makes you call the pressure on Datisi unjust?

@dats I feel like you were actively avoiding giving a real opinion on what you thought of me+Ircher as a unit to keep stances open, think I’ve made that clear
I might ISO you to figure out why you SR Ydrasse but I’m not really driven to do so rn so you condensing it a bit would help even if it’s just highlighting the focal points for when I

do

ISO you for it

i'm scumreading her bc her intro read about me ghosting therefore me scum was very weird and obviously false, the backtrack she tried to do when i called her out on it was somewhat awkward, i feel like she's townreading me to placate me, and on the overall scale, she's done... nothing? like, you haven't responded to me asking where is she re-evaluating anything.

@gamms

The only thing that really stick out as really worth much is the bit about the backtrack, also don’t like you bringing in the idea that she hasn’t done anything because I feel like she’s done

some things

but not a lot

Why is it between us two
I’m not feeling tooo great about my Datisi SR and Deimos pushing me/Datisi as a dichotomy feels kinda yucky as a result

Gamma can you explain why you did that 180 on Dats?

It was a combo of the AtE hitting a certain chord for me, it not feeling like how he was acting in mini 2246, and the fact that Deimos asking about voting between me and Datisi felt very much like a false dichotomy.

Can you link/quote that game for me please?

Like this, I don’t know what 2246 refers to, so a link or a quote would obviously help me know what you’re referring to.

[Cheeky Wings]

I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.

[Cheeky Wings]

I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.

i understand the defense -- i don't understand the aggressive nature of gamma tho.

i already explaiuned for the defense part -- and im willing to help u consoliadte that .

but im assuming gamma will post more regarding their aggresive nature later

Please do because I already quoted those posts, so I don’t still understand why Gamma thinks my timeline is “broken”? I still don’t understand the reads progression on Dats.

I don’t really understand why it was directed against me in particular since I don’t think anyone has put as much effort as me into trying to sort him.

[Cheeky Wings]

I am still not a fan of Ircher, besides that I’m not really that confident in anything
I acknowledge that Victorine is like, doing basically jack dick, but I replaced her in a game kinda like this one where she was town (big four mafia iirc). I also think the stuff about allusions to w/e are definitely things she’d do as town. She also just “finished” a scumgame where I feel like she actually played a fairly active early game?

I’m starting to doubt the Gamma wagon. Really the scummiest thing is the gif posting.

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

and have you considered that i'm peeved because i'm being shitpushed for no reason?

I wouldn’t say it’s “for no reason” and you swiping at me for using that wording out of turn just to use it yourself shows a stunning lack of self-awareness. And what about the push on you is bad here? I and others think Ydrasse is town, you seem to have a problem with that, and on some level it feels scum-motivated.

pooky started shitpushing me because i wrote one post then ghosted the thread, and then he started pushing me for not scumreading him back, because apparently that means i am terrified scum who's afraid of getting into a small shitfight. i don't think it's too unrealistic to say that those reasons are obviously nonsense.

i pretty much explained why i didn't like your push on me. your accusations of me being annoyed and of me questioning others's reads of ydrasse seem to be automatically assuming the worst case scenario without actually considering what is more likely to be happening. and your claim of me being threatened by ydrasse being townread also makes no sense, because how is that a threat to me?

tbh the Ydrasse being a threat thing feels like you’re running with something I said like once and acting like it’s a key point for me, I really just feel like you were bothered by Ydrasse getting townread easily for reasons other than that you SR her

I hard townread datisi
Datisi who do townread. I want to create a town block ignoring this noise

try to convince me this is a genuine attempt at building a townblock and not a pocketing of the local village idiot?

I really cant rn but i think you're a valuable fulcrum player who helps keep town stable as ive seen it b4 and i want to wave off the pressure you're getting unjustly so you're able to shine.
At the very minimum in a scum me world im playing very subtoptomally doing so

interesting
What makes you call the pressure on Datisi unjust?

@dats I feel like you were actively avoiding giving a real opinion on what you thought of me+Ircher as a unit to keep stances open, think I’ve made that clear
I might ISO you to figure out why you SR Ydrasse but I’m not really driven to do so rn so you condensing it a bit would help even if it’s just highlighting the focal points for when I

do

ISO you for it

i'm scumreading her bc her intro read about me ghosting therefore me scum was very weird and obviously false, the backtrack she tried to do when i called her out on it was somewhat awkward, i feel like she's townreading me to placate me, and on the overall scale, she's done... nothing? like, you haven't responded to me asking where is she re-evaluating anything.

@gamms

The only thing that really stick out as really worth much is the bit about the backtrack, also don’t like you bringing in the idea that she hasn’t done anything because I feel like she’s done

some things

but not a lot

Why is it between us two
I’m not feeling tooo great about my Datisi SR and Deimos pushing me/Datisi as a dichotomy feels kinda yucky as a result

Gamma can you explain why you did that 180 on Dats?

It was a combo of the AtE hitting a certain chord for me, it not feeling like how he was acting in mini 2246, and the fact that Deimos asking about voting between me and Datisi felt very much like a false dichotomy.

I’m not convinced Gamma is scum.

And then there’s the whole Gamma could have tried to change toog’s mind but instead he buries himself with that? I just don’t know.

I think that makes more sense after a hammer in twilight. His thought progression here is definitely better than in either FFIV or Stumps.

[Cheeky Wings]

Why strikes me the most interesting is how fast this wagon built up and how no one but Mo, Sakura myself has really questioned it.

Unless, people want to argue that everyone who jumped on me yesterday were scum trying to derail it and that was 1 flipped town, Dats, rat, Gypyx and jjh, none of whom are particularly worrying me rn, so that likely means it was most likely town trying to derail it, so that then begs the question, if Gamma is actually scum here, then wtf are his buddies doing while he gets run up?

[Cheeky Wings]

But I’m asking if the wagon on me was most likely town, then Gamma if scum, has buddies decided to completely desert him because scum clearly did not try to derail that wagon. So if Gamma’s scum, he’s either being bussed or his buddies aren’t doing anything to stop it, so I just find that strange. I have actually seen that happen so that in itself doesn’t mean he’s town but generally pretty much a complete lack of resistance has a > rand chance of flipping town.

CoD was a blatantly obvious exception to that because that slot (Danerys and dragons) was flaming obvscum, so scum obviously wouldn’t try to derail that.

[Cheeky Wings]

hi everyone taking a break from work.
hows it goin?

I don't like this gamestate but I don't know if unvoting someone I've scumread with confidence earlier this game will change it. Plus I can't think of a better vote at the moment.

So can you explain the reason you feel so confident on Gamma!scum? I still am undecided and who do you think could be scum on that wagon? That could possibly be important because we can see if any of those players seem to have any associatives with Gamma or not.

I don’t have a strong read on Gamma either way but am definitely not confident either way.

[Cheeky Wings]

Tbh part of me is waiting to get counterwagoned.

I really don’t see that happening but I don’t think I’m wrong about scum really not trying to hard to derail Gamma wagon, whatever that means.

[Cheeky Wings]

Fire why are you ignoring I exist in this game?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Taly 3 scummiest slots?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Titus when you get back can I get 3 scummiest from you too?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Titus when you get back can I get 3 scummiest from you too?
~C

Ircher Clemency and Victorine are where I'd shoot.

Didn't Victorine have a post restriction? Does that give you pause at all?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Loftwing
This is like how he was in The Neighborhood but he’s not even contrite about his lack of content/engagement or trying to actually remedy that problem. So he’s probably actually scum this time.

Aren't they the miller or am I misremembering
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Titus when you get back can I get 3 scummiest from you too?
~C

Ircher Clemency and Victorine are where I'd shoot.

Didn't Victorine have a post restriction? Does that give you pause at all?
~C

No. Not sure I buy it.

Post restrictions in RC games are nia, as is prodging for her. However, what is her post restriction exactly if it’s even real?

It’s not repeating phrases like Vecna, it’s not a specific tupe of font like Nom/duckling had. It’s not based off of gifs or economy of words. She posted something in a foreign language. Could it be that?

[Cheeky Wings]

I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.

what is the "that" here that you read?

2246 that game he referenced. I only briefly skimmed it the first time when you linked it but you sounded very different there.

[Cheeky Wings]

But I’m asking if the wagon on me was most likely town, then Gamma if scum, has buddies decided to completely desert him because scum clearly did not try to derail that wagon.

is this really something that can be concluded? what i mean is, a lot of the game is barely playing. scum didn't try to derail the wagon sure, but how many people did even post around that time? like, how many potential scum were even around to do anything?

That’s very true and I didn’t take that into account, so we really don’t know then.

[Cheeky Wings]

oh yeah, i am also not sure if i buy jjh's argument for deimos being town. i'm not sure he appeared to actually truly believe what he was saying, considering he didn't even vote there. jjh, if you can elaborate on why you think deimos seemed so certain about the Weak Argument, that'd be cool, because i did not get that impression at all

Did I say Deimos was certain about it? The point is that the bizarre argument was found, believed in, and presented as though it wasn't tinfoil nonsense. Why would scum look for the argument there in the first place? That's the biggest thing, although all three of those things are hurdles for a scum player to replicate for basically no gain since I don't think people other than me tend to acknowledge this as a towntell

Jjh do you have other reads apart from Deimos town?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I am not going to read 80 pages after coming in late. Likely will just vote the biggest wagon.

Would you mind ISOing everyone that isn't GLB/us, just skim to give your thoughts since the hydra probably take up more than half the posts?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Jjh do you have other reads apart from Deimos town?
~C

I think I've been vocal enough about my reads for you to not need to ask this so I'll throw a few more in

GLB, Cheeky Wings, Deimos, Taly, Datisi, Sakura, Titus, Ratmans, Ydrasse, Ircher are all town

Gamma is probably scum

My reads would benefit from being online at the same time as anyone I haven't mentioned

Could you please expand on you ydrasse and ratmans reads?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Mhmm.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

What's wrong with my Playstyle?!? I thought people liked riding my roller coaster with me :/
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I mean sure I let you fall out at the pinnacle of a loop de loop, but I catch you at the bottom so... it's all love. Right.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Deimos are you willing to CFD Firebear?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

Gamma I just think killing loft who is a claimed miller and low content slot, just doesn't help us much at this stage. If they keep it up in coming phases sure. Toog could've sorted them for us but c'est la vie.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Deimos are you willing to CFD Firebear?
~C

No I said I'd rather not lim them today.
I tr them behaviourally apart from the potential scumslip and I consider Fire at least, when town, to be a great asset.
They are on igmeoy probation subject to daily re-evaluation.

Fire's never town though. But fine. I'll bury my dreams of an open wolf elim today.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Deimos are you willing to CFD Firebear?
~C

No I said I'd rather not lim them today.
I tr them behaviourally apart from the potential scumslip and I consider Fire at least, when town, to be a great asset.
They are on igmeoy probation subject to daily re-evaluation.

Fire's never town though. But fine. I'll bury my dreams of an open wolf elim today.
~C

Convince me they're open wolf?

I mean they've claimed it themselves 50 times. A quick look at their ISO is all the evidence you need. Y'all can keep thinking it's a joke but I can see through the smoke and mirrors (this is a fantastic pun BTW, go me)
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Pooky is the one open wolfing not fire kekw

Fire is ignoring me because he knows I always scumread him. Therefore Fire is a spicy scumbutt.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I mean they've claimed it themselves 50 times. A quick look at their ISO is all the evidence you need. Y'all can keep thinking it's a joke but I can see through the smoke and mirrors (this is a fantastic pun BTW, go me)
~C

If you're being serious I'm gonna need you to elaborate.
If you're just committing to the sr roleplay to give them their ostensible nk immunity, wink twice.

Which faction benefits the most from spamming the thread until most players have lost their WIM? Isn't pooky some kind of scumhunting God? Why would Pooky made this game unreadable for themselves? It's not rocket science that they're successfully playing tstbs.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I’m still not understanding Gamma’s case at all but reading that made me like Dats alot more.

what is the "that" here that you read?

2246 that game he referenced. I only briefly skimmed it the first time when you linked it but you sounded very different there.

i was confused on how you started to scumread me shortly after you saw it the first time, but now you're saying that reading that game made you townred me more

Yes because I was really tunnelled into my Gamma/you theory, plus I really hated the post where you claimed to almost be tr me, so I autoassumed you were likely scum trying to manipulate me but I’ve liked your posting since then and I began to doubt that theory because you were making reads I agreed with like on Gypyx for example and I had only briefly skimmed that game, so really didn’t put too much stock into what I’ve read but because I put way more effort into trying to sort Gamma because he was the lead wagon, I read it and based on Gamma’s reasoning for changing his mind on you, I saw that too on the reread. That’s just how my mind works ftr. I can have totally convinced myself one minute that a player is lockscum and either they do something or I have an epiphany that completely flips that and also vice-versa. That’s also a really obvious towntell for me. Idk how much attention you paid to the title fairy thread but Shiki wanted my title to actually be “reconsider it” for that exact same reason.

[Cheeky Wings]

YOLO

What exactly is your post restriction?

[Cheeky Wings]

I’m on
Beginning to feel a mixture of outrage and depression because it feels like the only people who are bothering to take my side are doing so with ulterior motives in mind. So like, it’s probably best to just get rid of me now but I also don’t want to leave yet.

I really don’t understand this. Who do you think is taking your side that has “ulterior motives”? And if you’re town, what specifically do you think those ulterior motives would even be? This just really doesn’t make a lot of sense to me because the last thing that would ever in a billion years occur to me as town being run up, is that scum would have some kind of investment in saving me.

[Cheeky Wings]

The main thing feeding that fear is Loftwing’s behavior, he is taking the 2 highly suspected slots and himself and trying to band us together. Meanwhile, I feel good about neither of the 2 not-me people in his supposed townblock. There’s also Titus saying she’s standing with me but not actually voting with me on Loftwing and instead voting Ircher.

Why do you think miller is incompatible with the flavour?

[Cheeky Wings]

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

Wow, Loft actually did something in a game. I’m beyond shocked

[Cheeky Wings]

Deimos are you willing to CFD Firebear?
~C

No I said I'd rather not lim them today.
I tr them behaviourally apart from the potential scumslip and I consider Fire at least, when town, to be a great asset.
They are on igmeoy probation subject to daily re-evaluation.

Fire's never town though. But fine. I'll bury my dreams of an open wolf elim today.
~C

My read is based on Pooky. If Fire was playing solo, I’d probably agree with you but I really like Pooky.

[Cheeky Wings]

https://beastars.fandom.com/wiki/Collot
I don’t see how this ends up as a Miller

But this is a uPick?

[Cheeky Wings]

TBH I've just been interpreting "WIM" as synonymous with "motivation" so just to make sure I'm not miscommunicating can someone elaborate briefly on what "want it more" exactly is supposed to be mean cause I've seen this acronym thrown around a lot in the last few games I've played

It pertains to motivation in a game. High wim=high motivation and low, the converse.

[Cheeky Wings]

https://beastars.fandom.com/wiki/Collot
I don’t see how this ends up as a Miller

But this is a uPick?

Wait was this his flavour claim? I must have missed it.

[Cheeky Wings]

blep

Victorine, I've seen you speak actual words so what's going on here, does your post restriction intensify over time or something

I am blue, I am blue

As in sad?

[Cheeky Wings]

I don't know why you'd be scunreading me based on my claims.
Also, you can just point to games where I was town and say that I was more active there, but what about scum games?

I've said this before and I'll say it again:

The purpose of Meta isn't to justify an execution on a player. The purpose of Meta isn't to get others to execute a player.
Meta is most useful to determine where you should be looking for scum.
Meta is not a Compass, which points at scum, Meta is a Map, which shows where scum might be.

Didn’t RC say somewhere that flavour and role weren’t necessarily connected?

[Cheeky Wings]

Anyone else who came in late, would like to hear your thoughts.

Looking at the activity overview, read Clemency's ISO, there's less there than from anyone who started on time.

What's up Clemency?

What if we alternately limmed one lurker slot and one high poster slot

What if we try to determine who has the highest scum equity and base it on that?

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

Let me force you to read my stupid fanfic for a while...

"Wake up, sleepy head." Jasiri shook her mate with her paw "The ceremony won't wait!"

"Can't it wait for a little longer?" Janja groaned in response, turning around with intent to continue sleeping

"I suppose it can be postponed for a little while longer." Jasiri smiles "But no longer than a half an hour. After all, it's not every day that someone becomes royalty. Or rather, two someones."

Janja smiles as well. At least until the true meaning of her words reaches his brain. Then he sits bolt upright, eyes going wide.

"Wait, are you saying what I think you're saying?!" he asks

"If you think I am saying you're gonna be the King of the Outlands, then yes." Jasiri giggles

"B..but...I..." Janja stutters "I nominated you as the Queen partially because I knew I would do a lousy job at ruling. You saw how me and my clan failed each time I tried to lead them. Now I will fail on a much bigger scale, and I don't want that."

He starts to wheeze, and Jasiri frowns once she realizes he is having a nervous breakdown.

"Janja...calm down." she says "The fact you're so worried about this in the first place is precisely why you'd make a good king."

"I have to agree with her." another familiar voice rings out

Janja and Jasiri look at the former King of the Pridelands. Simba is older now, and it shows. His movements are slower and his breath is more labored. His eyes, however, are filled with affection. Both Jasiri and Janja can see it.

"Simba." Jasiri curtsies respectfully "What brings you here?"

"I happened to overhear Janja's worries, so I decided to give him some advice, from a former King to a future one." Simba smiles gently "Do not let self-doubt hold you back. I did, and that turned out to be a mistake."

"And why were you in the Outlands?" Jasiri asks

"To tell the truth, I wanted to visit my son." Simba admits "Well, adoptive son. We spent so little time together before I had to give him away."

"Why didn't you visit him before?" Jasiri prompts

"I was sidetracked with my royal duties and raising my own children." Simba says "And then when Kion grew up, he had a lot of encounters with my adoptive son. And he told me all about those per my request. That way, I was able to keep tabs on him."

"And who is this adopted son of yours?" Jasiri tilted her head curiously

"Well, as you know, two of my children became royalty. Kiara is Queen of the Pridelands and Kion is the King of the Tree of Life." Simba says "So then, what if I said that my adopted child is about to become royalty as well?"

Jasiri looks at Janja, and their eyes widen simultaneosly. Then Jasiri giggles.

"Oh, yes." she chortles "A lion adopting a hyena! Now I've seen everything!"

"You will bring the hyenas back to the Pridelands." Simba continues "Just as your parents would have wanted."

Janja turns away at that declaration, looking sad.

"I never knew my parents." he whispers "I never even met them. You know them better than I ever will. Why do you get to know them better than me?!"

Then he bolts off before either Jasiri or Simba could stop him.

"Janja..." Jasiri whispers

She's about to follow, but a lion's paw blocks her path.

"He needs some time to himself." Simba says "I suggest you postpone the coronation ceremony until tomorrow. In the meantime, I'll talk to him."

Janja is lying on cold, hard stone. Tears are flowing down his face without reservation as he gnaws on a bone.

Then a zebra carcass is placed down in front of him, and a warm body lies down next to him.

"Let it all out, son." Simba says "It's been twenty years since I last called you that, you know..."

Janja doesn't look up, but he does start munching on the zebra carcass instead.

"You were quite the troublemaker back then." Simba says "And according to Kion, you still were well into your teenage years."

"And yet, you were quick to disbelieve I had changed." Janja says

"Yes, that was an unfortunate development." Simba admits with a sigh "To be honest, you brought back Scar and I...I thought he had corrupted you fully. That, and twenty years of causing trouble...I thought that the little pip I knew back then was gone forever. Fortunately, you were able to prove me wrong. And that is why I'll make one final decree as King. Kiara and Kovu already agreed as well, as did Kion. From now on, the hyenas are welcome in the Pridelands and at the Tree of Life alike as long as they don't cause too much mayhem. I do this for you and for your mate's joint clan."

"Thank you." Janja manages to say

"Now you should rest for today." Simba begins to leave "I convinced Jasiri to postpone the ceremony for your sake. Me and my family will attend. All of us will attend the coronation. It's a family affair, after all."

"So me and Kion have been brothers this whole time?" Janja smirks

"Adoptive brothers." Simba corrects "But yes. And you fought, as brothers should."

"And I held my adoptive sister and mother hostage." Janja adds

"Yes, you did." Simba remarks off-handedly "It was Ushari's idea, to be fair."

"Maybe." Janja grins "Still, that's one weird family tree. But...I was told my real parents died. How did they die?"

"They were killed." is all Simba says "I need to get going now, and you need to rest."

When Janja and Jasiri wake up the next day, the sun is high up in the sky. They stand up slowly and drink a little from the pond, before they are interrupted by Madoa, who runs up to them.

"The royal family are coming...all of them." she says "And so is the Lion Guard."

"Which one, Kion's or Vitani's?" Jasiri asks

"Both of them." Madoa replies

"Well, then, this will be interesting..." Janja says

"Very interesting." another voice says

"Ah, Vitani is here." Madoa says

"Indeed." Vitani stops to look at Janja "You look like Shenzi...and Banzai as well. You must be their biological offspring."

"I can't be. They died in a fire long before I was born. Every hyena knows the story. And my parents were killed, so that can't be true." Janja denies

"That's not what happened." Vitani smiles sadly "Your parents were killed by my mother."

"That's not entirely true." Simba says "Your mother died giving birth to you and your father was killed by my officers."

Janja looks between Vitani and Simba, unsure which version to believe. Nala, Kiara, Kovu and Vitani's guard are there as well.

Then Jasiri clears her throat.

"I hate to interrupt, but the ceremony is about to start."

Janja has a sneaking suspicion she did so for his sake.

That is when Kion, his mate and his guard appear.

"I believe we've come to an acceptable alternative for your ceremony." Jasiri tells Simba

Wema and Tunu walk up, each one carrying what appears to be a makeshift crown made of twigs and leaves in their mouth

"Indeed." Simba agrees

"Then let the coronation ceremony begin!" Jasiri announces

Wema and Tunu approach Janja and Jasiri and put the crowns onto their heads as everyone is watching.

"Presenting the new Queen and King of the Outlands." Madoa announces "Good luck, you guys."

"Thanks, sis." Jasiri says "We'll need it...both of us will need it."

Janja tunes out most of what happens next. Instead he thinks about his parents and tries to figure out which story is true.

After the ceremony is finished, he is approached by Kion and Rani.

"Thinking about your parents?" Rani asks softly "Mine were killed too, so I understand how you feel."

"If what Simba says is true, then I killed my mother." Janja says morosely

"You didn't." Rani says comfortingly "It's just one of those things that happen."

Janja doesn't answer. Instead, he wanders off.

"He needs to be alone now." Rani advises "Except you, Jasiri. He needs you, I think."

"Got it." Jasiri says and takes off after him.


So have you figured out my alignment from this yet?

So, are you supposed to be Jasiri here or one of the other characters?

[Cheeky Wings]

Like, what satanic post restriction did RadiantCowbells give Vic that prevents them from at least trying to play the game?

I don't think that they have a post restriction based upon this, or at least if they do have one then RC is probably just satan.

Both of those are equally possible.

Yeah, I don’t have a clue what Victorine is doing but unless the post restriction is specific to that story she posted, I have no clue what else it could be but I also don’t understand why she claims a post restriction and isn’t even trying to sound post restricted.

Gamma, I’m not getting scum vibes from Loft.

[Cheeky Wings]

i have a post restriction where i can't copy paste my role pm into the thread

Me too, I think it’s commonly referred to as a “Varsoon”.

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

Let me force you to read my stupid fanfic for a while...

"Wake up, sleepy head." Jasiri shook her mate with her paw "The ceremony won't wait!"

"Can't it wait for a little longer?" Janja groaned in response, turning around with intent to continue sleeping

"I suppose it can be postponed for a little while longer." Jasiri smiles "But no longer than a half an hour. After all, it's not every day that someone becomes royalty. Or rather, two someones."

Janja smiles as well. At least until the true meaning of her words reaches his brain. Then he sits bolt upright, eyes going wide.

"Wait, are you saying what I think you're saying?!" he asks

"If you think I am saying you're gonna be the King of the Outlands, then yes." Jasiri giggles

"B..but...I..." Janja stutters "I nominated you as the Queen partially because I knew I would do a lousy job at ruling. You saw how me and my clan failed each time I tried to lead them. Now I will fail on a much bigger scale, and I don't want that."

He starts to wheeze, and Jasiri frowns once she realizes he is having a nervous breakdown.

"Janja...calm down." she says "The fact you're so worried about this in the first place is precisely why you'd make a good king."

"I have to agree with her." another familiar voice rings out

Janja and Jasiri look at the former King of the Pridelands. Simba is older now, and it shows. His movements are slower and his breath is more labored. His eyes, however, are filled with affection. Both Jasiri and Janja can see it.

"Simba." Jasiri curtsies respectfully "What brings you here?"

"I happened to overhear Janja's worries, so I decided to give him some advice, from a former King to a future one." Simba smiles gently "Do not let self-doubt hold you back. I did, and that turned out to be a mistake."

"And why were you in the Outlands?" Jasiri asks

"To tell the truth, I wanted to visit my son." Simba admits "Well, adoptive son. We spent so little time together before I had to give him away."

"Why didn't you visit him before?" Jasiri prompts

"I was sidetracked with my royal duties and raising my own children." Simba says "And then when Kion grew up, he had a lot of encounters with my adoptive son. And he told me all about those per my request. That way, I was able to keep tabs on him."

"And who is this adopted son of yours?" Jasiri tilted her head curiously

"Well, as you know, two of my children became royalty. Kiara is Queen of the Pridelands and Kion is the King of the Tree of Life." Simba says "So then, what if I said that my adopted child is about to become royalty as well?"

Jasiri looks at Janja, and their eyes widen simultaneosly. Then Jasiri giggles.

"Oh, yes." she chortles "A lion adopting a hyena! Now I've seen everything!"

"You will bring the hyenas back to the Pridelands." Simba continues "Just as your parents would have wanted."

Janja turns away at that declaration, looking sad.

"I never knew my parents." he whispers "I never even met them. You know them better than I ever will. Why do you get to know them better than me?!"

Then he bolts off before either Jasiri or Simba could stop him.

"Janja..." Jasiri whispers

She's about to follow, but a lion's paw blocks her path.

"He needs some time to himself." Simba says "I suggest you postpone the coronation ceremony until tomorrow. In the meantime, I'll talk to him."

Janja is lying on cold, hard stone. Tears are flowing down his face without reservation as he gnaws on a bone.

Then a zebra carcass is placed down in front of him, and a warm body lies down next to him.

"Let it all out, son." Simba says "It's been twenty years since I last called you that, you know..."

Janja doesn't look up, but he does start munching on the zebra carcass instead.

"You were quite the troublemaker back then." Simba says "And according to Kion, you still were well into your teenage years."

"And yet, you were quick to disbelieve I had changed." Janja says

"Yes, that was an unfortunate development." Simba admits with a sigh "To be honest, you brought back Scar and I...I thought he had corrupted you fully. That, and twenty years of causing trouble...I thought that the little pip I knew back then was gone forever. Fortunately, you were able to prove me wrong. And that is why I'll make one final decree as King. Kiara and Kovu already agreed as well, as did Kion. From now on, the hyenas are welcome in the Pridelands and at the Tree of Life alike as long as they don't cause too much mayhem. I do this for you and for your mate's joint clan."

"Thank you." Janja manages to say

"Now you should rest for today." Simba begins to leave "I convinced Jasiri to postpone the ceremony for your sake. Me and my family will attend. All of us will attend the coronation. It's a family affair, after all."

"So me and Kion have been brothers this whole time?" Janja smirks

"Adoptive brothers." Simba corrects "But yes. And you fought, as brothers should."

"And I held my adoptive sister and mother hostage." Janja adds

"Yes, you did." Simba remarks off-handedly "It was Ushari's idea, to be fair."

"Maybe." Janja grins "Still, that's one weird family tree. But...I was told my real parents died. How did they die?"

"They were killed." is all Simba says "I need to get going now, and you need to rest."

When Janja and Jasiri wake up the next day, the sun is high up in the sky. They stand up slowly and drink a little from the pond, before they are interrupted by Madoa, who runs up to them.

"The royal family are coming...all of them." she says "And so is the Lion Guard."

"Which one, Kion's or Vitani's?" Jasiri asks

"Both of them." Madoa replies

"Well, then, this will be interesting..." Janja says

"Very interesting." another voice says

"Ah, Vitani is here." Madoa says

"Indeed." Vitani stops to look at Janja "You look like Shenzi...and Banzai as well. You must be their biological offspring."

"I can't be. They died in a fire long before I was born. Every hyena knows the story. And my parents were killed, so that can't be true." Janja denies

"That's not what happened." Vitani smiles sadly "Your parents were killed by my mother."

"That's not entirely true." Simba says "Your mother died giving birth to you and your father was killed by my officers."

Janja looks between Vitani and Simba, unsure which version to believe. Nala, Kiara, Kovu and Vitani's guard are there as well.

Then Jasiri clears her throat.

"I hate to interrupt, but the ceremony is about to start."

Janja has a sneaking suspicion she did so for his sake.

That is when Kion, his mate and his guard appear.

"I believe we've come to an acceptable alternative for your ceremony." Jasiri tells Simba

Wema and Tunu walk up, each one carrying what appears to be a makeshift crown made of twigs and leaves in their mouth

"Indeed." Simba agrees

"Then let the coronation ceremony begin!" Jasiri announces

Wema and Tunu approach Janja and Jasiri and put the crowns onto their heads as everyone is watching.

"Presenting the new Queen and King of the Outlands." Madoa announces "Good luck, you guys."

"Thanks, sis." Jasiri says "We'll need it...both of us will need it."

Janja tunes out most of what happens next. Instead he thinks about his parents and tries to figure out which story is true.

After the ceremony is finished, he is approached by Kion and Rani.

"Thinking about your parents?" Rani asks softly "Mine were killed too, so I understand how you feel."

"If what Simba says is true, then I killed my mother." Janja says morosely

"You didn't." Rani says comfortingly "It's just one of those things that happen."

Janja doesn't answer. Instead, he wanders off.

"He needs to be alone now." Rani advises "Except you, Jasiri. He needs you, I think."

"Got it." Jasiri says and takes off after him.


So have you figured out my alignment from this yet?

So, are you supposed to be Jasiri here or one of the other characters?

I was supposed to be Janja, but RC misread my intentions, so this is me pretending to be him while upholding my restriction at the same time.

Will your post restriction be lifted at some point because if it’s real, I might lean slight town based on this but it’s really not enough to town bin you for the entire game based off of this because we have no way of knowing if it’s true or fake at this point.

What is your specific flavour since you claim it’s non Janja?

[Cheeky Wings]

Pooky can you post more because my hydra partner really hates your hydra partner.

Titus, Gypyx, why do you sr Ircher?

[Cheeky Wings]

Like, what satanic post restriction did RadiantCowbells give Vic that prevents them from at least trying to play the game?

I don't think that they have a post restriction based upon this, or at least if they do have one then RC is probably just satan.

It seems you seem to believe or know that Vic is town because you've implicitly ruled out here the possibility that Vic is scum.
Hmm.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

Let me force you to read my stupid fanfic for a while...

"Wake up, sleepy head." Jasiri shook her mate with her paw "The ceremony won't wait!"

"Can't it wait for a little longer?" Janja groaned in response, turning around with intent to continue sleeping

"I suppose it can be postponed for a little while longer." Jasiri smiles "But no longer than a half an hour. After all, it's not every day that someone becomes royalty. Or rather, two someones."

Janja smiles as well. At least until the true meaning of her words reaches his brain. Then he sits bolt upright, eyes going wide.

"Wait, are you saying what I think you're saying?!" he asks

"If you think I am saying you're gonna be the King of the Outlands, then yes." Jasiri giggles

"B..but...I..." Janja stutters "I nominated you as the Queen partially because I knew I would do a lousy job at ruling. You saw how me and my clan failed each time I tried to lead them. Now I will fail on a much bigger scale, and I don't want that."

He starts to wheeze, and Jasiri frowns once she realizes he is having a nervous breakdown.

"Janja...calm down." she says "The fact you're so worried about this in the first place is precisely why you'd make a good king."

"I have to agree with her." another familiar voice rings out

Janja and Jasiri look at the former King of the Pridelands. Simba is older now, and it shows. His movements are slower and his breath is more labored. His eyes, however, are filled with affection. Both Jasiri and Janja can see it.

"Simba." Jasiri curtsies respectfully "What brings you here?"

"I happened to overhear Janja's worries, so I decided to give him some advice, from a former King to a future one." Simba smiles gently "Do not let self-doubt hold you back. I did, and that turned out to be a mistake."

"And why were you in the Outlands?" Jasiri asks

"To tell the truth, I wanted to visit my son." Simba admits "Well, adoptive son. We spent so little time together before I had to give him away."

"Why didn't you visit him before?" Jasiri prompts

"I was sidetracked with my royal duties and raising my own children." Simba says "And then when Kion grew up, he had a lot of encounters with my adoptive son. And he told me all about those per my request. That way, I was able to keep tabs on him."

"And who is this adopted son of yours?" Jasiri tilted her head curiously

"Well, as you know, two of my children became royalty. Kiara is Queen of the Pridelands and Kion is the King of the Tree of Life." Simba says "So then, what if I said that my adopted child is about to become royalty as well?"

Jasiri looks at Janja, and their eyes widen simultaneosly. Then Jasiri giggles.

"Oh, yes." she chortles "A lion adopting a hyena! Now I've seen everything!"

"You will bring the hyenas back to the Pridelands." Simba continues "Just as your parents would have wanted."

Janja turns away at that declaration, looking sad.

"I never knew my parents." he whispers "I never even met them. You know them better than I ever will. Why do you get to know them better than me?!"

Then he bolts off before either Jasiri or Simba could stop him.

"Janja..." Jasiri whispers

She's about to follow, but a lion's paw blocks her path.

"He needs some time to himself." Simba says "I suggest you postpone the coronation ceremony until tomorrow. In the meantime, I'll talk to him."

Janja is lying on cold, hard stone. Tears are flowing down his face without reservation as he gnaws on a bone.

Then a zebra carcass is placed down in front of him, and a warm body lies down next to him.

"Let it all out, son." Simba says "It's been twenty years since I last called you that, you know..."

Janja doesn't look up, but he does start munching on the zebra carcass instead.

"You were quite the troublemaker back then." Simba says "And according to Kion, you still were well into your teenage years."

"And yet, you were quick to disbelieve I had changed." Janja says

"Yes, that was an unfortunate development." Simba admits with a sigh "To be honest, you brought back Scar and I...I thought he had corrupted you fully. That, and twenty years of causing trouble...I thought that the little pip I knew back then was gone forever. Fortunately, you were able to prove me wrong. And that is why I'll make one final decree as King. Kiara and Kovu already agreed as well, as did Kion. From now on, the hyenas are welcome in the Pridelands and at the Tree of Life alike as long as they don't cause too much mayhem. I do this for you and for your mate's joint clan."

"Thank you." Janja manages to say

"Now you should rest for today." Simba begins to leave "I convinced Jasiri to postpone the ceremony for your sake. Me and my family will attend. All of us will attend the coronation. It's a family affair, after all."

"So me and Kion have been brothers this whole time?" Janja smirks

"Adoptive brothers." Simba corrects "But yes. And you fought, as brothers should."

"And I held my adoptive sister and mother hostage." Janja adds

"Yes, you did." Simba remarks off-handedly "It was Ushari's idea, to be fair."

"Maybe." Janja grins "Still, that's one weird family tree. But...I was told my real parents died. How did they die?"

"They were killed." is all Simba says "I need to get going now, and you need to rest."

When Janja and Jasiri wake up the next day, the sun is high up in the sky. They stand up slowly and drink a little from the pond, before they are interrupted by Madoa, who runs up to them.

"The royal family are coming...all of them." she says "And so is the Lion Guard."

"Which one, Kion's or Vitani's?" Jasiri asks

"Both of them." Madoa replies

"Well, then, this will be interesting..." Janja says

"Very interesting." another voice says

"Ah, Vitani is here." Madoa says

"Indeed." Vitani stops to look at Janja "You look like Shenzi...and Banzai as well. You must be their biological offspring."

"I can't be. They died in a fire long before I was born. Every hyena knows the story. And my parents were killed, so that can't be true." Janja denies

"That's not what happened." Vitani smiles sadly "Your parents were killed by my mother."

"That's not entirely true." Simba says "Your mother died giving birth to you and your father was killed by my officers."

Janja looks between Vitani and Simba, unsure which version to believe. Nala, Kiara, Kovu and Vitani's guard are there as well.

Then Jasiri clears her throat.

"I hate to interrupt, but the ceremony is about to start."

Janja has a sneaking suspicion she did so for his sake.

That is when Kion, his mate and his guard appear.

"I believe we've come to an acceptable alternative for your ceremony." Jasiri tells Simba

Wema and Tunu walk up, each one carrying what appears to be a makeshift crown made of twigs and leaves in their mouth

"Indeed." Simba agrees

"Then let the coronation ceremony begin!" Jasiri announces

Wema and Tunu approach Janja and Jasiri and put the crowns onto their heads as everyone is watching.

"Presenting the new Queen and King of the Outlands." Madoa announces "Good luck, you guys."

"Thanks, sis." Jasiri says "We'll need it...both of us will need it."

Janja tunes out most of what happens next. Instead he thinks about his parents and tries to figure out which story is true.

After the ceremony is finished, he is approached by Kion and Rani.

"Thinking about your parents?" Rani asks softly "Mine were killed too, so I understand how you feel."

"If what Simba says is true, then I killed my mother." Janja says morosely

"You didn't." Rani says comfortingly "It's just one of those things that happen."

Janja doesn't answer. Instead, he wanders off.

"He needs to be alone now." Rani advises "Except you, Jasiri. He needs you, I think."

"Got it." Jasiri says and takes off after him.


So have you figured out my alignment from this yet?

So, are you supposed to be Jasiri here or one of the other characters?

I was supposed to be Janja, but RC misread my intentions, so this is me pretending to be him while upholding my restriction at the same time.

:O it speaks!
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Pooky can you post more because my hydra partner really hates your hydra partner.

Titus, Gypyx, why do you sr Ircher?

I love Fire really. Not his fault he's scum, I get it. It's hard trying to play scum under RCs watch huh.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

so uh how sure r u that gamma is town

I’m not at all, I honestly have no clue now but his pushes have been all over the place recently but I do know that Loft tryharding as town in one game doesn’t mean much because I’ve also seen him do pretty much nothing as town as well and I don’t really know how useful flavour is in determining anything.

I feel way more confident on Dats now. I really feel he’s been honestly sorting.

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

Let me force you to read my stupid fanfic for a while...

"Wake up, sleepy head." Jasiri shook her mate with her paw "The ceremony won't wait!"

"Can't it wait for a little longer?" Janja groaned in response, turning around with intent to continue sleeping

"I suppose it can be postponed for a little while longer." Jasiri smiles "But no longer than a half an hour. After all, it's not every day that someone becomes royalty. Or rather, two someones."

Janja smiles as well. At least until the true meaning of her words reaches his brain. Then he sits bolt upright, eyes going wide.

"Wait, are you saying what I think you're saying?!" he asks

"If you think I am saying you're gonna be the King of the Outlands, then yes." Jasiri giggles

"B..but...I..." Janja stutters "I nominated you as the Queen partially because I knew I would do a lousy job at ruling. You saw how me and my clan failed each time I tried to lead them. Now I will fail on a much bigger scale, and I don't want that."

He starts to wheeze, and Jasiri frowns once she realizes he is having a nervous breakdown.

"Janja...calm down." she says "The fact you're so worried about this in the first place is precisely why you'd make a good king."

"I have to agree with her." another familiar voice rings out

Janja and Jasiri look at the former King of the Pridelands. Simba is older now, and it shows. His movements are slower and his breath is more labored. His eyes, however, are filled with affection. Both Jasiri and Janja can see it.

"Simba." Jasiri curtsies respectfully "What brings you here?"

"I happened to overhear Janja's worries, so I decided to give him some advice, from a former King to a future one." Simba smiles gently "Do not let self-doubt hold you back. I did, and that turned out to be a mistake."

"And why were you in the Outlands?" Jasiri asks

"To tell the truth, I wanted to visit my son." Simba admits "Well, adoptive son. We spent so little time together before I had to give him away."

"Why didn't you visit him before?" Jasiri prompts

"I was sidetracked with my royal duties and raising my own children." Simba says "And then when Kion grew up, he had a lot of encounters with my adoptive son. And he told me all about those per my request. That way, I was able to keep tabs on him."

"And who is this adopted son of yours?" Jasiri tilted her head curiously

"Well, as you know, two of my children became royalty. Kiara is Queen of the Pridelands and Kion is the King of the Tree of Life." Simba says "So then, what if I said that my adopted child is about to become royalty as well?"

Jasiri looks at Janja, and their eyes widen simultaneosly. Then Jasiri giggles.

"Oh, yes." she chortles "A lion adopting a hyena! Now I've seen everything!"

"You will bring the hyenas back to the Pridelands." Simba continues "Just as your parents would have wanted."

Janja turns away at that declaration, looking sad.

"I never knew my parents." he whispers "I never even met them. You know them better than I ever will. Why do you get to know them better than me?!"

Then he bolts off before either Jasiri or Simba could stop him.

"Janja..." Jasiri whispers

She's about to follow, but a lion's paw blocks her path.

"He needs some time to himself." Simba says "I suggest you postpone the coronation ceremony until tomorrow. In the meantime, I'll talk to him."

Janja is lying on cold, hard stone. Tears are flowing down his face without reservation as he gnaws on a bone.

Then a zebra carcass is placed down in front of him, and a warm body lies down next to him.

"Let it all out, son." Simba says "It's been twenty years since I last called you that, you know..."

Janja doesn't look up, but he does start munching on the zebra carcass instead.

"You were quite the troublemaker back then." Simba says "And according to Kion, you still were well into your teenage years."

"And yet, you were quick to disbelieve I had changed." Janja says

"Yes, that was an unfortunate development." Simba admits with a sigh "To be honest, you brought back Scar and I...I thought he had corrupted you fully. That, and twenty years of causing trouble...I thought that the little pip I knew back then was gone forever. Fortunately, you were able to prove me wrong. And that is why I'll make one final decree as King. Kiara and Kovu already agreed as well, as did Kion. From now on, the hyenas are welcome in the Pridelands and at the Tree of Life alike as long as they don't cause too much mayhem. I do this for you and for your mate's joint clan."

"Thank you." Janja manages to say

"Now you should rest for today." Simba begins to leave "I convinced Jasiri to postpone the ceremony for your sake. Me and my family will attend. All of us will attend the coronation. It's a family affair, after all."

"So me and Kion have been brothers this whole time?" Janja smirks

"Adoptive brothers." Simba corrects "But yes. And you fought, as brothers should."

"And I held my adoptive sister and mother hostage." Janja adds

"Yes, you did." Simba remarks off-handedly "It was Ushari's idea, to be fair."

"Maybe." Janja grins "Still, that's one weird family tree. But...I was told my real parents died. How did they die?"

"They were killed." is all Simba says "I need to get going now, and you need to rest."

When Janja and Jasiri wake up the next day, the sun is high up in the sky. They stand up slowly and drink a little from the pond, before they are interrupted by Madoa, who runs up to them.

"The royal family are coming...all of them." she says "And so is the Lion Guard."

"Which one, Kion's or Vitani's?" Jasiri asks

"Both of them." Madoa replies

"Well, then, this will be interesting..." Janja says

"Very interesting." another voice says

"Ah, Vitani is here." Madoa says

"Indeed." Vitani stops to look at Janja "You look like Shenzi...and Banzai as well. You must be their biological offspring."

"I can't be. They died in a fire long before I was born. Every hyena knows the story. And my parents were killed, so that can't be true." Janja denies

"That's not what happened." Vitani smiles sadly "Your parents were killed by my mother."

"That's not entirely true." Simba says "Your mother died giving birth to you and your father was killed by my officers."

Janja looks between Vitani and Simba, unsure which version to believe. Nala, Kiara, Kovu and Vitani's guard are there as well.

Then Jasiri clears her throat.

"I hate to interrupt, but the ceremony is about to start."

Janja has a sneaking suspicion she did so for his sake.

That is when Kion, his mate and his guard appear.

"I believe we've come to an acceptable alternative for your ceremony." Jasiri tells Simba

Wema and Tunu walk up, each one carrying what appears to be a makeshift crown made of twigs and leaves in their mouth

"Indeed." Simba agrees

"Then let the coronation ceremony begin!" Jasiri announces

Wema and Tunu approach Janja and Jasiri and put the crowns onto their heads as everyone is watching.

"Presenting the new Queen and King of the Outlands." Madoa announces "Good luck, you guys."

"Thanks, sis." Jasiri says "We'll need it...both of us will need it."

Janja tunes out most of what happens next. Instead he thinks about his parents and tries to figure out which story is true.

After the ceremony is finished, he is approached by Kion and Rani.

"Thinking about your parents?" Rani asks softly "Mine were killed too, so I understand how you feel."

"If what Simba says is true, then I killed my mother." Janja says morosely

"You didn't." Rani says comfortingly "It's just one of those things that happen."

Janja doesn't answer. Instead, he wanders off.

"He needs to be alone now." Rani advises "Except you, Jasiri. He needs you, I think."

"Got it." Jasiri says and takes off after him.


So have you figured out my alignment from this yet?

So, are you supposed to be Jasiri here or one of the other characters?

I was supposed to be Janja, but RC misread my intentions, so this is me pretending to be him while upholding my restriction at the same time.

Will your post restriction be lifted at some point because if it’s real, I might lean slight town based on this but it’s really not enough to town bin you for the entire game based off of this because we have no way of knowing if it’s true or fake at this point.

What is your specific flavour since you claim it’s non Janja?

No, it will not be lifted unless I die. As for my flavor, you'll find out sooner or later.

How are we expected to honestly sort you then?

[Cheeky Wings]

I am unfamiliar with Galron but not terribly impressed with his ISO. He’s definitely a better vote than Loft anyway, since I’m picking up more town vibes from him than Galron, so not opposed.

[Cheeky Wings]

I'll make the concession that Datisi has engaged me here in what has felt like far better faith than I can really remember ever engaging with scum.
And so I'll bite on this to show my willingness to reconsider:

I feel way more confident on Dats now. I really feel he’s been honestly sorting.

Any posts in particular?

I already mentioned his Gypyx read and I’m sure I can find more. He sounds nothing here like 2246 where most of reads read really fake to me, so I really don’t get why you sr him?

[Cheeky Wings]

I'm not looking forward to this. I just got the game start PM this morning.

Why aren’t you looking forward to this?

[Cheeky Wings]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88015
I have to watch a movie soon so don’t expect posting for like 2-3 hours

Which movie?

I am not going to read 80 pages after coming in late. Likely will just vote the biggest wagon.

Anyone else who came in late, would like to hear your thoughts.

Looking at the activity overview, read Clemency's ISO, there's less there than from anyone who started on time.

What's up Clemency?

this is scummy af.

This is scummy af.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

Gamma I just think killing loft who is a claimed miller and low content slot, just doesn't help us much at this stage. If they keep it up in coming phases sure. Toog could've sorted them for us but c'est la vie.
~C

This is scummy af.
~C
eh not rlly -- there is 17 ppl .


i rather get rid of the low content ppl and ppl who just troll around rather than get distracted with possible openwolf and warlocking

[Cheeky Wings]

hey guys... funny thing is i never got a game start pm so i never knew the game started lol

there is a lot of aggressive ppl on this thread LOL

this is probably due to the nature of the roles everyone has

Yeah this can go. I caught my first obv scum.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Grandpamo
Flash wagon gooooo.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I countered Grandpamo's counterwagon on galron.
Count those chickens yo.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Deimos come cross the road.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

I don't think you can ISO me and say with intellectual honesty that my play has been characterised by handwaving everyone's content except two early tells from you + Gamma.

good thing that's not what i'm saying. your play has been characterized by handwaving all of the content i and gamma have produced that happened after your pings. as in, it feels like you're not taking anything else we're saying into consideration. i wasn't saying that about literally everyone's content.

Ok well then I doubly don't understand how you can consistently say that you think it's fine for me not to focus on you two.
I guess you're saying I need to focus a little more than I have so far but I don't need to focus much more?

Lest people forget I'm gonna remind everyone of all the other reasons I cited for my reads on Gamma and Dat:

1. Gamma's Datisi read
2. Datisi's Ydra read
3. Gamma talking about a "good townblock forming"
4. Gamma's 1182

No one asked for elaboration on these they went straight to an "omg you're actually still using those

old

tells how bad is that" type mentality.
Guess what, I think those tells are important, so I'm gonna continue to cite them.

Do you think I'm being disingenuous when I say that I think my tells on you are good enough to focus on sorting other players? Because that's what matters. Disagreeing with my scumhunting philosophy of focusing on players from whom I've not gotten a tell I consider reliable is one thing, thinking I'm scum faking the belief that you and Gamma fall into this category is another.

I understand why you think this but even if Gamma’s scum here, which I think is possible, Gamma’s pushing Dats here reads more to me like a possible tmi on Ydra if anything and I’m not even sure on that but why hypothetically would Gamma!scum going down redact their sr on Dats if he’s a buddy?

I know that’s the conclusion I initially jumped too but I think based off of meta, if Gamma’s scum here, this reads more like a push on town!Dats than SvS to me.

I think if Gamma’s actually scum with Dats, he’d scumread him for something that actually sounds scummy, not “he’s threatened by Ydra townreads”. Iow, scum!Gamma pushing a buddy would find something clearly scum indicative about their buddy. So if Gamma’s scum, then I think it’s SvT because this isn’t the way scum!Gamma pushes a buddy. If scum (and I’m still on the fence about that), this is the way he pushes town. So I think Gamma/Dats are unaligned.

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hey guys... funny thing is i never got a game start pm so i never knew the game started lol

there is a lot of aggressive ppl on this thread LOL

this is probably due to the nature of the roles everyone has

Yeah this can go. I caught my first obv scum.
~C

Mo is a slot that gets miselimed alot. I was lock convinced he was scum in two games I played with him. I want to see more before I rush to judgment on him.

Also, he’s the first one to claim delayed role pm, so that looks better than anyone claiming it later.

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VOTE: grandpmamo
his response to my frustration really just sucks, it feels like he’s trying to call my feelings fake which is both scummy and kinda shitty personally

I get wrongly accused of that all the time and yeah it definitely sucks but I don’t see why that makes him scum?

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Spoiler:

Spoiler:

I don't think you can ISO me and say with intellectual honesty that my play has been characterised by handwaving everyone's content except two early tells from you + Gamma.

good thing that's not what i'm saying. your play has been characterized by handwaving all of the content i and gamma have produced that happened after your pings. as in, it feels like you're not taking anything else we're saying into consideration. i wasn't saying that about literally everyone's content.

Ok well then I doubly don't understand how you can consistently say that you think it's fine for me not to focus on you two.
I guess you're saying I need to focus a little more than I have so far but I don't need to focus much more?

Lest people forget I'm gonna remind everyone of all the other reasons I cited for my reads on Gamma and Dat:

1. Gamma's Datisi read
2. Datisi's Ydra read
3. Gamma talking about a "good townblock forming"
4. Gamma's 1182

No one asked for elaboration on these they went straight to an "omg you're actually still using those

old

tells how bad is that" type mentality.
Guess what, I think those tells are important, so I'm gonna continue to cite them.

Do you think I'm being disingenuous when I say that I think my tells on you are good enough to focus on sorting other players? Because that's what matters. Disagreeing with my scumhunting philosophy of focusing on players from whom I've not gotten a tell I consider reliable is one thing, thinking I'm scum faking the belief that you and Gamma fall into this category is another.

I understand why you think this but even if Gamma’s scum here, which I think is possible, Gamma’s pushing Dats here reads more to me like a possible tmi on Ydra if anything and I’m not even sure on that but why hypothetically would Gamma!scum going down redact their sr on Dats if he’s a buddy?

I know that’s the conclusion I initially jumped too but I think based off of meta, if Gamma’s scum here, this reads more like a push on town!Dats than SvS to me.

I think if Gamma’s actually scum with Dats, he’d scumread him for something that actually sounds scummy, not “he’s threatened by Ydra townreads”. Iow, scum!Gamma pushing a buddy would find something clearly scum indicative about their buddy. So if Gamma’s scum, then I think it’s SvT because this isn’t the way scum!Gamma pushes a buddy. If scum (and I’m still on the fence about that), this is the way he pushes town. So I think Gamma/Dats are unaligned.

I didn't mean to argue that they're teamed. I was hoping they'd be but I wasn't really expecting to be right about both.

In my experience scum's information advantage can make them see all sorts of ghost scumreads on their buddies that to the rest of town don't look "clearly scum indicative" but to the scum looks so clearly scum indicative that they feel strongly inclined to bus for it. Whether Gamma is the kind of player who'd make that kind of novice mistake is another matter, and the answer I guess is probably not, so in that sense I agree. And yeah instead of redacting his sr of Dat on death's row I do suspect he would've doubled down or at least kept things as they were for distancing if they were buddies.

So all in all I guess I see this as a good bit of reasoning? And even if I wasn't really expecting to be correct about both of them the fact that I'm likely to be wrong about at least one does now make me doubt my competence on the other a little more.

There’s also the fact that both Dats and I got fooled by scum!Ydra in a past game but I think Ydra is really obvtown here and Dats probably just isn’t very good at reading her. I also think that probably wouldn’t have happened to me in a more traditional game, so I chalk Dats’ Ydra sr to understandable paranoia which I obviously very much disagree with.

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Nancy

, what is your readrate on

Pooky

?

Pretty good and if Gamma flips scum, GLB is locktown. I think Pooky’s posting has been really townie and he should probably muzzle Fire who keeps making me paranoid.

[Cheeky Wings]

I was kinda leaning town on GrandpaMo tbh
And I'm not really understanding what the case against them is exactly

Me + Cheeky=Yume + House in FFIV.

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VOTE: grandpmamo
his response to my frustration really just sucks, it feels like he’s trying to call my feelings fake which is both scummy and kinda shitty personally

I get wrongly accused of that all the time and yeah it definitely sucks but I don’t see why that makes him scum?

I brought up how he faced me bearing down on him as town before and I think he’s incentivized to call my feelings into question early so if I do push him with that same bulldozer-level force he can have an established reason why I shouldn’t be listened to on him
Also, his way of saying it bothers me, it’s like, “why are you so mad, there’s nothing to be mad about, you’re crazy dude”

Alright but why did he rebuke me for what he thought was a bad reason to push you then, only to then do a doubletake and he’s not even pushing you and if you did actually claim to have faked your emotions in a past game with him as scum, why isn’t that reaction from him valid?

Maybe you’re town? I very much dislike the reasoning for your pushes but I get from this that your emotional reactions are genuine here.

However, I don’t understand his trajectory on you coming from a scum perspective. It reads like he’s genuinely trying to sort you.

Again, if saying silly things was scum indicative, I’d 100% be voting rat. Saying “dumb” or “insensitive” things isn’t scum indicative.

But mostly we’re talking about Mo here, who’s posting has often been the epitome of scummy town and I don’t even find him particularly scummy in this game.

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hey guys... funny thing is i never got a game start pm so i never knew the game started lol

there is a lot of aggressive ppl on this thread LOL

this is probably due to the nature of the roles everyone has

Yeah this can go. I caught my first obv scum.
~C

Mo is a slot that gets miselimed alot. I was lock convinced he was scum in two games I played with him. I want to see more before I rush to judgment on him.

Also, he’s the first one to claim delayed role pm, so that looks better than anyone claiming it later.

You also have a very similar thought process as mine.


You showed this earlier -- and i townpinged you for it believe. unless it was cheeky to say that

That post was mine and Cheeky will probably disown me for this but . . .

UNVOTE:

Don’t be mad at me Cheeky but I don’t like this wagon. :/

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VOTE: grandpmamo
his response to my frustration really just sucks, it feels like he’s trying to call my feelings fake which is both scummy and kinda shitty personally

I get wrongly accused of that all the time and yeah it definitely sucks but I don’t see why that makes him scum?

that was my same thinking as well --

im like it's so out of the blue. they went on like 5 different wagons -- and just sees me for pushing them? when i was in fact defending them earlier?

it doesn't make sense to me.

and supposedly im making them mad lol

I don’t want to vote you and I’m torn on Gamma and not feeling great about Galron. I still don’t know what to make of Victorine yet.

So rn, I’d probably vote one of Gamma/Galron. No one else is pinging me rn. Yeah, they’re all over the place and I don’t really like their reasoning for their votes.

Gamma what is your read on Galron? I’m just concerned if Galron could be lhf but if Gamma towntells, that’s what I’ll probably do but I still don’t like Gamma’s posting enough not to vote him.

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Ewww I have oog reasons to want want throw up at a Gamma/Galron 1v1 gamestate.

Without breaking any rules, can you elaborate on this?

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Also what’s this about “if Gamma towntells” because there was a point where you seemed pretty okay with me post-Toog’s going boom? Did I misread your intention?

Your posting continues to ping me hard but every now and then you post something that makes me unsure. So rn, I’m leaning to voting you but if I see you towntell, I think I’ll know it.

What I think it is is I’m torn between not sr your tone and hating your reasons for your votes. And that would also include Dats. I’ve seen you have really horrible reasoning for your votes as town but I don’t like any of them so far. And you having bad reasons for pretty much every single vote makes me have real trouble believing you’re town. As town, your reasoning is usually much better and none of your votes have been anyone on your wagon so far, except for Diemos and you only voted him under pressure from jjh.

Why are you vote hopping all over the place? It reads to me like an anyone but me type of vote. I don’t necessarily sr you for that but it reads survivalistic af irrespective of alignment.

Yes true you didn’t vote Ircher or Galron but then you sr people defending you but not sheeping you on Loft? If I’m in a game with let’s say town!Noraa and hard defend her but don’t necessarily sheep her, why would that make me scum?

I don’t understand your reasoning for pretty much anything in this game.

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Gamma I feel guilty for voteparking on you but I genuinely don't follow your thought process when you thought you were gonna die from Toog and didn't spew. My mind comes back to this the most snd I get this has been beat to death but yeah..

Clem/T3/Jjh/Galron/Victorine/Datisi/Ircher

- talk to me.

What if I refuse? What would you like for me to talk about?

Anything and I wouldn't hold It against you but would wonder why you would refuse a convo with me.

Ewww I have oog reasons to want want throw up at a Gamma/Galron 1v1 gamestate.

Without breaking any rules, can you elaborate on this?

Probably can't much.

Feels like two very lim baity slots even if the reasons to sus are solid.

Do you tr Gamma now?

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I think my voting might be the biggest thing to read me on, I’ve kinda been playing like I used to way back when I started where I make wild and frequent votes trying to throw my weight around.

Another thing I wish you wouldn’t do unless you can find quotes to back it up is continue to respond to my questions with self-meta. Ftr, I don’t have any problem with self-meta obviously or I’d be a hypocrite but you’re invoking self-meta in lieu of actually answer my question here.

See, the main problem with this is, why couldn’t scum!you be replicating old town meta? If it’s recent town meta, it’s possibly valuable but my meta has drastically changed since I first started playing in 2017 and my very earliest townplay probably more closely resembles some of my scumgames because when I first started playing, I was either constantly being wagoned or miselimbait and after one game where I made an extremely unpopular hardtunnel and got miselimed and couldn’t convince anyone I was town, I became mainly focused with surviving rather than solving, so obviously that’s changed considerably but I can still sometimes fall into those old patterns which I did in my only newbie game on this sire but it’s still extremely rare though.

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Also what’s this about “if Gamma towntells” because there was a point where you seemed pretty okay with me post-Toog’s going boom? Did I misread your intention?

Your posting continues to ping me hard but every now and then you post something that makes me unsure. So rn, I’m leaning to voting you but if I see you towntell, I think I’ll know it.

What I think it is is I’m torn between not sr your tone and hating your reasons for your votes. And that would also include Dats. I’ve seen you have really horrible reasoning for your votes as town but I don’t like any of them so far. And you having bad reasons for pretty much every single vote makes me have real trouble believing you’re town. As town, your reasoning is usually much better and none of your votes have been anyone on your wagon so far, except for Diemos and you only voted him under pressure from jjh.

Why are you vote hopping all over the place? It reads to me like an anyone but me type of vote. I don’t necessarily sr you for that but it reads survivalistic af irrespective of alignment.

Yes true you didn’t vote Ircher or Galron but then you sr people defending you but not sheeping you on Loft? If I’m in a game with let’s say town!Noraa and hard defend her but don’t necessarily sheep her, why would that make me scum?

I don’t understand your reasoning for pretty much anything in this game.

LMFAO SEE NORA IS FUCKING THE SAME PERSON AS ME

we need to be hydras for the one time

Sure do you have discord? I really prefer my hydra partners to have discord.

I know you’re trolling me because I’ve hydra’d with Noraa twice now.

[Cheeky Wings]

Someone said Gamma reads as either defeated scum or defeated town and yeah I think that's just defeat I'm picking up

I think that was me.

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Yes true you didn’t vote Ircher or Galron but then you sr people defending you but not sheeping you on Loft? If I’m in a game with let’s say town!Noraa and hard defend her but don’t necessarily sheep her, why would that make me scum?

I think the real problem I have with what Titus did was it was trying to assign my name to the Ircher vote when that wasn’t what felt was deserving of pressure atm. It’s a weird play and I think potentially aims to shift blame onto me on an Ircher townflip.

Yeah okay, she did say she “stand(s) with [you]”, so that is a good point. I don’t know if that’s ai though. She didn’t seem to know about Koba/toog though, so possible townslip?

Titus tends to scumtell by really questionable pushes. Idk if she necessarily does the whole juxtaposition thing as scum though as in you!town, Ircher!scum thing.

[Cheeky Wings]

well ur scum because lost birds are scum.
i am openning scum taly doors.

fite me

Spoiler:

[Cheeky Wings]

well ur scum because lost birds are scum.
i am openning scum taly doors.

fite me

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her voice is annoying lol

But it was a great fit for that post though.

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Spoiler:

Let me force you to read my stupid fanfic for a while...

"Wake up, sleepy head." Jasiri shook her mate with her paw "The ceremony won't wait!"

"Can't it wait for a little longer?" Janja groaned in response, turning around with intent to continue sleeping

"I suppose it can be postponed for a little while longer." Jasiri smiles "But no longer than a half an hour. After all, it's not every day that someone becomes royalty. Or rather, two someones."

Janja smiles as well. At least until the true meaning of her words reaches his brain. Then he sits bolt upright, eyes going wide.

"Wait, are you saying what I think you're saying?!" he asks

"If you think I am saying you're gonna be the King of the Outlands, then yes." Jasiri giggles

"B..but...I..." Janja stutters "I nominated you as the Queen partially because I knew I would do a lousy job at ruling. You saw how me and my clan failed each time I tried to lead them. Now I will fail on a much bigger scale, and I don't want that."

He starts to wheeze, and Jasiri frowns once she realizes he is having a nervous breakdown.

"Janja...calm down." she says "The fact you're so worried about this in the first place is precisely why you'd make a good king."

"I have to agree with her." another familiar voice rings out

Janja and Jasiri look at the former King of the Pridelands. Simba is older now, and it shows. His movements are slower and his breath is more labored. His eyes, however, are filled with affection. Both Jasiri and Janja can see it.

"Simba." Jasiri curtsies respectfully "What brings you here?"

"I happened to overhear Janja's worries, so I decided to give him some advice, from a former King to a future one." Simba smiles gently "Do not let self-doubt hold you back. I did, and that turned out to be a mistake."

"And why were you in the Outlands?" Jasiri asks

"To tell the truth, I wanted to visit my son." Simba admits "Well, adoptive son. We spent so little time together before I had to give him away."

"Why didn't you visit him before?" Jasiri prompts

"I was sidetracked with my royal duties and raising my own children." Simba says "And then when Kion grew up, he had a lot of encounters with my adoptive son. And he told me all about those per my request. That way, I was able to keep tabs on him."

"And who is this adopted son of yours?" Jasiri tilted her head curiously

"Well, as you know, two of my children became royalty. Kiara is Queen of the Pridelands and Kion is the King of the Tree of Life." Simba says "So then, what if I said that my adopted child is about to become royalty as well?"

Jasiri looks at Janja, and their eyes widen simultaneosly. Then Jasiri giggles.

"Oh, yes." she chortles "A lion adopting a hyena! Now I've seen everything!"

"You will bring the hyenas back to the Pridelands." Simba continues "Just as your parents would have wanted."

Janja turns away at that declaration, looking sad.

"I never knew my parents." he whispers "I never even met them. You know them better than I ever will. Why do you get to know them better than me?!"

Then he bolts off before either Jasiri or Simba could stop him.

"Janja..." Jasiri whispers

She's about to follow, but a lion's paw blocks her path.

"He needs some time to himself." Simba says "I suggest you postpone the coronation ceremony until tomorrow. In the meantime, I'll talk to him."

Janja is lying on cold, hard stone. Tears are flowing down his face without reservation as he gnaws on a bone.

Then a zebra carcass is placed down in front of him, and a warm body lies down next to him.

"Let it all out, son." Simba says "It's been twenty years since I last called you that, you know..."

Janja doesn't look up, but he does start munching on the zebra carcass instead.

"You were quite the troublemaker back then." Simba says "And according to Kion, you still were well into your teenage years."

"And yet, you were quick to disbelieve I had changed." Janja says

"Yes, that was an unfortunate development." Simba admits with a sigh "To be honest, you brought back Scar and I...I thought he had corrupted you fully. That, and twenty years of causing trouble...I thought that the little pip I knew back then was gone forever. Fortunately, you were able to prove me wrong. And that is why I'll make one final decree as King. Kiara and Kovu already agreed as well, as did Kion. From now on, the hyenas are welcome in the Pridelands and at the Tree of Life alike as long as they don't cause too much mayhem. I do this for you and for your mate's joint clan."

"Thank you." Janja manages to say

"Now you should rest for today." Simba begins to leave "I convinced Jasiri to postpone the ceremony for your sake. Me and my family will attend. All of us will attend the coronation. It's a family affair, after all."

"So me and Kion have been brothers this whole time?" Janja smirks

"Adoptive brothers." Simba corrects "But yes. And you fought, as brothers should."

"And I held my adoptive sister and mother hostage." Janja adds

"Yes, you did." Simba remarks off-handedly "It was Ushari's idea, to be fair."

"Maybe." Janja grins "Still, that's one weird family tree. But...I was told my real parents died. How did they die?"

"They were killed." is all Simba says "I need to get going now, and you need to rest."

When Janja and Jasiri wake up the next day, the sun is high up in the sky. They stand up slowly and drink a little from the pond, before they are interrupted by Madoa, who runs up to them.

"The royal family are coming...all of them." she says "And so is the Lion Guard."

"Which one, Kion's or Vitani's?" Jasiri asks

"Both of them." Madoa replies

"Well, then, this will be interesting..." Janja says

"Very interesting." another voice says

"Ah, Vitani is here." Madoa says

"Indeed." Vitani stops to look at Janja "You look like Shenzi...and Banzai as well. You must be their biological offspring."

"I can't be. They died in a fire long before I was born. Every hyena knows the story. And my parents were killed, so that can't be true." Janja denies

"That's not what happened." Vitani smiles sadly "Your parents were killed by my mother."

"That's not entirely true." Simba says "Your mother died giving birth to you and your father was killed by my officers."

Janja looks between Vitani and Simba, unsure which version to believe. Nala, Kiara, Kovu and Vitani's guard are there as well.

Then Jasiri clears her throat.

"I hate to interrupt, but the ceremony is about to start."

Janja has a sneaking suspicion she did so for his sake.

That is when Kion, his mate and his guard appear.

"I believe we've come to an acceptable alternative for your ceremony." Jasiri tells Simba

Wema and Tunu walk up, each one carrying what appears to be a makeshift crown made of twigs and leaves in their mouth

"Indeed." Simba agrees

"Then let the coronation ceremony begin!" Jasiri announces

Wema and Tunu approach Janja and Jasiri and put the crowns onto their heads as everyone is watching.

"Presenting the new Queen and King of the Outlands." Madoa announces "Good luck, you guys."

"Thanks, sis." Jasiri says "We'll need it...both of us will need it."

Janja tunes out most of what happens next. Instead he thinks about his parents and tries to figure out which story is true.

After the ceremony is finished, he is approached by Kion and Rani.

"Thinking about your parents?" Rani asks softly "Mine were killed too, so I understand how you feel."

"If what Simba says is true, then I killed my mother." Janja says morosely

"You didn't." Rani says comfortingly "It's just one of those things that happen."

Janja doesn't answer. Instead, he wanders off.

"He needs to be alone now." Rani advises "Except you, Jasiri. He needs you, I think."

"Got it." Jasiri says and takes off after him.


So have you figured out my alignment from this yet?

So, are you supposed to be Jasiri here or one of the other characters?

I was supposed to be Janja, but RC misread my intentions, so this is me pretending to be him while upholding my restriction at the same time.

Will your post restriction be lifted at some point because if it’s real, I might lean slight town based on this but it’s really not enough to town bin you for the entire game based off of this because we have no way of knowing if it’s true or fake at this point.

What is your specific flavour since you claim it’s non Janja?

No, it will not be lifted unless I die. As for my flavor, you'll find out sooner or later.

How are we expected to honestly sort you then?

Use mah meta?

Gamma, tell them who my main is

I know who you are. Haven’t you been reading any of my posts? That’s precisely why I’m sceptical because your opening posts reminded me of TBoNTB and Overkill 1.

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Then why is she asking me on how to read me, kknowing I am biased, instead of forming her opinions? It looks to me like an excuse.

Because she’s struggling because of the post restriction

What do you think of this post Gamma? How tf can anyone expect me to have any kind of opinion on a completely unreadable and apparently will remain unreadable until they flip according to her?

That she’s accusing me of making an “excuse” for fucking what exactly?

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Idk how often Yume has done it before but she did this “y’all should be able to read me right” thing as scum in a recently “finished” game, AI UPick 2

Interesting. Well I know that Vecna’s restriction was temporary and I believe even nom/tw’s was as well, so I have real trouble buying that RC gives a player a perminent post restriction until they flip in any game ever. I just don’t buy it and shading me for not having an opinion there is utter nonsense.

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One day, dogs will rule the Earth. Dogs ruling the Earth is my dream.

One day, dogs will rule the Earth. Dogs ruling the Earth is my dream.

Global warming due to an overproduction of tennis balls ^.^
~C

The rain in Spain falls mostly on the plain.

@Diiemos, she made comparible posts like these as scum in TBoNtB and in Overkill 1.

I’ve already quoted them. I think it’s greater > rand chance this is an excuse for not playing because she likes to be unreadable as scum.

If she had said, my alignment will be obvious at some point or the post restriction will end, I’d be feeling a whole lot better about this. All she really promised is her flavour will become obvious and since RC told us that flavour won’t be ai, how is that useful?

And she also naked voted Sakura without any explanation and I recall she also voted town!RR in Overkill 1 but there for a completely nonsensical reason.

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-I have almost no respect for Yume's play even when she isn't doing literally nothing, so even if she's town we don't lose much

Okay don’t, she was actually alright in FFXIV as part of the hydra with House, she helped pull him from pushing several mislims

She was obtown in that game. I don’t want her hammered yet or even close but if she’s going to take the attitude that I don’t have to be readable the entire game and shades anyone who dares question her about that, I don’t think that’s acceptable.

And that’s yet another reason I think Titus is town, because she was fooled by scum!Joan in TBoNtB and I trust her scepticism on that.

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I have no idea what either of you are saying.

From me, I was seeing GMO’s way of saying “I wonder what X will have to say when they see this” and I had to think back to when I myself had done that before, and the first thing that came to mind made it clear it wasn’t a scumtell

I’m starting to think you could be town because I can’t see any clear agenda from anything you’ve done so far because you’ve been completely all over the place and I don’t actually recall you ever doing that as scum.

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I have no idea what either of you are saying.

omg

look at jj post they are reading some what vic as not contributing to the game right and they see that as scum ok?

you got on me about pushing a low posting person vs someone who is scummy now and high content.

so what do u feel about jj's push on vic regarding the stance thatthey earlier regarding them not posting as lot and regardles of allignment they aren't helpful to town sum like that

Galron never indicated that they refuse to become more readable, do you not see the difference? Victorine’s alignment is unreadable due to what she claims is a post restriction, which she claims is permanent.

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-I have almost no respect for Yume's play even when she isn't doing literally nothing, so even if she's town we don't lose much

Okay don’t, she was actually alright in FFXIV as part of the hydra with House, she helped pull him from pushing several mislims

She was obtown in that game. I don’t want her hammered yet or even close but if she’s going to take the attitude that I don’t have to be readable the entire game and shades anyone who dares question her about that, I don’t think that’s acceptable.

And that’s yet another reason I think Titus is town, because she was fooled by scum!Joan in TBoNtB and I trust her scepticism on that.

I haven't played with her in aaaaaaaages but I think if she's going after people who scumread her then she's more likely to be scum

From what I remember her scumgame relies on people saying "No this is what she's like as town" when she coasts by doing fuck all as scum

I wasn’t even sr her. All I did is ask how she can resonably expect anyone to sort her but almost the same thing.

Her naked vote on Sakura is another thing that bothers me because as I said she also voteparked RR in Overkill 1 apparently because they fooled her as scum in a previous game and she has made absolutely no attempt to even sort Sakura or anyone else for that matter.

So I think hypothetically even post-restricted her can show obvious scumhunting with her votes if nothing else. I’ve seen it done with memeing slots, so real or fake, a post restriction is no excuse not to try to scumhunt by whatever means possible.

[Cheeky Wings]

I have no idea what either of you are saying.

omg

look at jj post they are reading some what vic as not contributing to the game right and they see that as scum ok?

you got on me about pushing a low posting person vs someone who is scummy now and high content.

so what do u feel about jj's push on vic regarding the stance thatthey earlier regarding them not posting as lot and regardles of allignment they aren't helpful to town sum like that

The main difference is that it seemed like you wanted to indiscriminately kill lowposters rather than scummy players, while they are scumreading a lowposter.

do you have tmi?

Why do you think he has tmi?

[Cheeky Wings]

I have no idea what either of you are saying.

omg

look at jj post they are reading some what vic as not contributing to the game right and they see that as scum ok?

you got on me about pushing a low posting person vs someone who is scummy now and high content.

so what do u feel about jj's push on vic regarding the stance thatthey earlier regarding them not posting as lot and regardles of allignment they aren't helpful to town sum like that

Galron never indicated that they refuse to become more readable, do you not see the difference? Victorine’s alignment is unreadable due to what she claims is a post restriction, which she claims is permanent.

i dont beleieve i was talking bout galron past there... nd nah i dont because loft was having the same, literally the same argument

Who were you talking about then?

[Cheeky Wings]

I’ve seen someone show real solving effort while basically trying to replicate what would be a non verbal game in irl mafia
Avoiding specifying who because the game I’m recalling for this I think a touchy subject for someone else and I don’t wish to reopen old wounds

Well even if her post restriction is real, which I doubt now, she clearly is not restricted from voting yet she has remained voteparked on Sakura and considering the obvious fact that Sakura’s pretty obvious town now, Victorine hasn’t moved her vote on her.

If in the worst case scenario she really did have some kind of post restriction she is clearly able to quote posts discuss her alleged flavour and isn’t capped by words and vote but she is making no attempt to scumhunt or even townhunt for that matter and has given no indication that anything will change other than her flavour becoming obvious, which tells us absolutely nothing because unlike in FFIV, flavour in this game isn’t ai.

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

I have no idea what either of you are saying.

omg

look at jj post they are reading some what vic as not contributing to the game right and they see that as scum ok?

you got on me about pushing a low posting person vs someone who is scummy now and high content.

so what do u feel about jj's push on vic regarding the stance thatthey earlier regarding them not posting as lot and regardles of allignment they aren't helpful to town sum like that

Galron never indicated that they refuse to become more readable, do you not see the difference? Victorine’s alignment is unreadable due to what she claims is a post restriction, which she claims is permanent.

i dont beleieve i was talking bout galron past there... nd nah i dont because loft was having the same, literally the same argument

Who were you talking about then?

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

Gamma I just think killing loft who is a claimed miller and low content slot, just doesn't help us much at this stage. If they keep it up in coming phases sure. Toog could've sorted them for us but c'est la vie.
~C

eh not rlly -- there is 17 ppl .


i rather get rid of the low content ppl and ppl who just troll around rather than get distracted with possible openwolf and warlocking

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

no

i just disagree with what cheeky said lol


im not saying we shouldnt ignore those scummy players but we also shouldnt ignore thsoe ppl i pointed out

this was the original interaction.

this argument this obviously be a fallacy because they already assumed that those players are scummy. scumminess is a subjectivness matter, that is why im askingloft if they have tmi lol because this is the 2nd time they have pointed it out like if they knew that player was scum

i already talked bout it. look -- i was talking in general terms

Idk if I read that as tmi though but more that the more someone posts, the more readable they become. I have no idea who he could be referring to with this. It’s possibly a valid question though.

However, I also don’t see anything particularly scummy about Loft’s posts.

[Cheeky Wings]

Idk how often Yume has done it before but she did this “y’all should be able to read me right” thing as scum in a recently “finished” game, AI UPick 2

Especially Titus. You know my main and you know I shitpost as town. You have one chance before I start scumreading you.

She was more agressive in that game but rather passive in TBoNtB and Overkill 1, so the aggression aspect is probably nia but her being enigmatic kind’ve makes sense with both Gamma and Titus being in this playerlist.

Then why is she asking me on how to read me, kknowing I am biased, instead of forming her opinions? It looks to me like an excuse.

I guess that could be similar.

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

Even if it’s a joke it (as in, the post) still deserves death I think
Compare how he’s acting here to how he acted in this game, then try and tell me don’t understand why I’m being very critical of what Loft is doing.

Gamma I just think killing loft who is a claimed miller and low content slot, just doesn't help us much at this stage. If they keep it up in coming phases sure. Toog could've sorted them for us but c'est la vie.
~C

eh not rlly -- there is 17 ppl .


i rather get rid of the low content ppl and ppl who just troll around rather than get distracted with possible openwolf and warlocking

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

So you're saying that we should kill players who we aren't sure either way are town or scum because of their low content output, rather than extremely scummy players who output a lot of content?

no

i just disagree with what cheeky said lol


im not saying we shouldnt ignore those scummy players but we also shouldnt ignore thsoe ppl i pointed out

this was the original interaction.

this argument this obviously be a fallacy because they already assumed that those players are scummy. scumminess is a subjectivness matter, that is why im askingloft if they have tmi lol because this is the 2nd time they have pointed it out like if they knew that player was scum

@cheeky i explain it here

No I get your point but I don’t see why either post is tmi.

[Cheeky Wings]

Faking post restrictions is NAI, but using them as an excuse to not do anything is AI

Meh. I'd agree except for given who is in the slot, my expectations for content aren't very high.

What is it about those alts that makes Victorine an even better elim?

You've read the context wrong. It is precisely due to her history on the site that makes her a poor Day 1 lim on this site.

Ircher, I don’t see any credible evidence of a post restriction. She claims this hypothetical post restriction to be permanent, only flavour which is nai for this game to be made evident.

How do you propose she is ever going to become more readable? She’s naked voteparked on Sakura and has made no attempt to solve.

Even if the post restriction looked legit, I have real trouble believing that RC would give any player a permanent post restriction.

In two RC games I was in: one involving a town post restricted player, Vecna and a second, involving a post restricted scum player: Nom/the worst, neither were permanent.

[Cheeky Wings]

If we're going by your voting alone, you would have been dead days ago.

Suck shit. You’re just butthurt that I voted you, my other votes are all fine and I don’t feel like my vote on you was as bad as people say either. But for despite all the shit I got for it, my Queen vote was probably the towniest thing I’ve done all game.

What evidence are you basing that on and when did you vote him?

I only recall you voting Queen, Loft, Mo and now Victorine?

[Cheeky Wings]

If we're going by your voting alone, you would have been dead days ago.

Suck shit. You’re just butthurt that I voted you, my other votes are all fine and I don’t feel like my vote on you was as bad as people say either. But for despite all the shit I got for it, my Queen vote was probably the towniest thing I’ve done all game.

What evidence are you basing that on and when did you vote him?

I only recall you voting Queen, Loft, Mo and now Victorine?

And of course Dats.

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Ircher
This is a fine vote.

Also I don’t know what your question is asking about

Oh guess I missed it then. That he was “butthurt” over you voting him? I don’t really recall Ircher being someone who gets upset over that sort of thing?

Unless I missed some post of his taking issue with it?

[Cheeky Wings]

@Ircher, thoughts on Dats?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Also, my post restriction is real, and you'll understand why.

- m

When and you haven’t even made clear what the post restriction even is. You aren’t doing anything since that naked votepark on Sakura. You’re not trying to parse her or anyone else for that matter.

[Cheeky Wings]

I am a mango.

- Big Bad Wolf

Is this a scumclaim because it certainly looks like one?

VOTE: Victorine

[Cheeky Wings]

I thought it would be pretty obvious what my flavor is by now, and if you know my flavor, you know my restriction.

- Red

First you sign “wolf” now “red” and we’re supposed to tr you for that?

RC told us that flavour is nai. None of that makes you town.

Do townie things and I’ll unvote you. I want to see you try to solve. Why are you still voting Sakura?

[Cheeky Wings]

I am a mango.

- Big Bad Wolf

Is this a scumclaim because it certainly looks like one?

VOTE: Victorine

No, it's a flavor crumb.

I don’t care about your flavour, I only care about your alignment. You naked voteparked on Sakura and have done nothing game related since and you’re clearly not reacessing that slot if you did ever have a valid reason to vote there.

[Cheeky Wings]

I am a mango.

- Big Bad Wolf

Is this a scumclaim because it certainly looks like one?

VOTE: Victorine

No, it's a flavor crumb.

Are you claiming to be little Red Riding Hood? And again, flavour is nai so no flavour tells us jack about alignment in this game.

[Cheeky Wings]

Besides, when Firebringer shitposts, everyone gives him instant townie pass. Yet when I do it, I am instantly scum.

Sounds like you're scumplaining
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

there are just so many players to talk about
gut says ircher is scum but my gut has a <rand accuracy rate

Ircher is in fact scum. Your gut is accurate!
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

there are just so many players to talk about
gut says ircher is scum but my gut has a <rand accuracy rate

Ircher is in fact scum. Your gut is accurate!
~C

did i miss something

We have an N0 red on Ircher.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I thought it would be pretty obvious what my flavor is by now, and if you know my flavor, you know my restriction.

- Red

First you sign “wolf” now “red” and we’re supposed to tr you for that?

RC told us that flavour is nai. None of that makes you town.

Do townie things and I’ll unvote you. I want to see you try to solve. Why are you still voting Sakura?

Shutposting is my way of doing townie things. If you really studied my meta as Gamma claims, you would know this. You do you.

Besides, when Firebringer shitposts, everyone gives him instant townie pass. Yet when I do it, I am instantly scum.

You claimed that exact same thing as scum in AI uPick Part 2 plus in case you hadn’t noticed, Gamma is voting you.

GLB are doing actual solving in addition to the shitposts, you aren’t.

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Ircher
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Ircher, I don’t see any credible evidence of a post restriction. She claims this hypothetical post restriction to be permanent, only flavour which is nai for this game to be made evident.

How do you propose she is ever going to become more readable? She’s naked voteparked on Sakura and has made no attempt to solve.

Even if the post restriction looked legit, I have real trouble believing that RC would give any player a permanent post restriction.

In two RC games I was in: one involving a town post restricted player, Vecna and a second, involving a post restricted scum player: Nom/the worst, neither were permanent.

My point is that this slot has a history of doing nothing. Yes, I think the posting restriction is fake, but that doesn't really mean anything because it's doubtful Victorine would've done much regardless. I do not know of a way to read her, but when approaching slots like this, it is always better to give them time. Also, I will point out that she is the kind of slot scum like to push as early mislims. That is all the more reason to wait.

Time to do what exactly? All she’s promised is her flavour and hypothetical post restriction be revealed not her role or alignment. And she’s still naked voteparked on Sakura and she refuses to either unvote her or comment on her, much less anyone else.

[Cheeky Wings]

I can’t go along with faking a guilty, unless it’s just a reaction test. If that is fine but otherwise I’m really not okay with that.

[Cheeky Wings]

T3 can you pretty please meta dive Queen and give your verdict.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I can’t go along with faking a guilty, unless it’s just a reaction test. If that is fine but otherwise I’m really not okay with that.

Lmao. I think everyone knows it was a reaction test Nancy.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Time to do what exactly? All she’s promised is her flavour and hypothetical post restriction be revealed not her role or alignment. And she’s still naked voteparked on Sakura and she refuses to either unvote her or comment on her, much less anyone else.

Time to get bored of the game. It will almost certainly happen if she is scum.

She never got bored in TBoNtB though, so that isn’t true or in the other RC uPick I was in. She did flake out in Overkill 1 and in SC 2 but she was extremely upset about receiving a red role pm in that game because she signed up to replace in, so she might have avoided that red role pm.

[Cheeky Wings]

Gamma, your statement that your voting history is fine is objectively wrong by the fact that many of your votes have in fact been called out. And no, your Queen vote was not townie and accomplished nothing other than looking busy.

Players calling out Gamma's voting history doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it. They could, for instance, be lying.

There’s nothing to “lie” about?

But Ircher is expressing an opinion like it’s fact. So, not sure that’s sitting well with me.

[Cheeky Wings]

3 slots have hardpushed Gamma in this game: Taly, GLB and Ircher. Taly’s and GLB’s I hard tr but Ircher’s for some reason, is giving me the willies.

Since Gamma never seriously voted him, I’m questioning the possibility of scum theatre here or scum trying to possibly miselim a townie? Sure Ircher/Gamma TvS is also a possibility but there has to be a reason I tr Taly’s/GLB’s push but not Ircher’s.

[Cheeky Wings]

Why strikes me the most interesting is how fast this wagon built up and how no one but Mo, Sakura myself has really questioned it.

Unless, people want to argue that everyone who jumped on me yesterday were scum trying to derail it and that was 1 flipped town, Dats, rat, Gypyx and jjh, none of whom are particularly worrying me rn, so that likely means it was most likely town trying to derail it, so that then begs the question, if Gamma is actually scum here, then wtf are his buddies doing while he gets run up?

well, maybe there's scum in that group yeah, such a large one seem quite unlikely to be pure off of a certain action after all, but i doubt they stacked really, after all

- scum, by virtue of knowing who's scum, are more inclined to pull the guillotina on a buddy they view as busted, while uninformed town would be more resitant
- lurker lol

Well more significantly, me and Cheeky are finally mindmelding on a sr. The way Ircher is pushing Gamma just reads all kinds of wrong to me partiallybecause it sounds nothing like his play in Pooky v FL but especially to take an opinion no matter how valid and present it like some kind of objective fact which it’s obviously not, is seriously scummy. And even worse saying someone’s votes are bad aren’t the same thing as calling them not town.

[Cheeky Wings]

hey, anyone interested in that wagon?

VOTE: Ircher

dunno how ircher plays usually, but he's got a really passive stance there, not motivated to piece the puzzle

That’s also what Cheeky said in our PT. She compared Ircher’s posting in this game with his posting in a past towngame where he was alot more active.

[Cheeky Wings]

The fact I usually shitpost as town prior to D2/D3 still gets ignored.

Can you give an opinion that is neither about your meta or how people read it? Thanks.

[Cheeky Wings]

Gamma, your statement that your voting history is fine is objectively wrong

by the fact that many of your votes have in fact been called out. And no,

your Queen vote was not townie

and accomplished nothing other than looking busy.

And Victorine, I am no longer voting you and you are no longer my preferred wagon, this is. The bolded just reads all kinds of wrong to me.

[Cheeky Wings]

hey, anyone interested in that wagon?

VOTE: Ircher

dunno how ircher plays usually, but he's got a really passive stance there, not motivated to piece the puzzle

That’s also what Cheeky said in our PT. She compared Ircher’s posting in this game with his posting in a past towngame where he was alot more active.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11103539

[Cheeky Wings]

The fact I usually shitpost as town prior to D2/D3 still gets ignored.

Well if she is saying, she intends to pick it up D2 and if she does, idk. I just felt #2447 seemed a bit over the top. That’s why it pinged me, based on the bolded.

I’m actually pretty decent at reading duckling now.

[Cheeky Wings]

T3 can you pretty please meta dive Queen and give your verdict.
~C

queen is an alt with 1 completed game

Dammit.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

That's two bad votes from ratmans now. Gamma come vote Ircher.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

FTR ratmans scumreads are
"The hydra talk too much, one must be scum"
"I suss CWs read of gamma" and votes there when gamma happens to be the biggest wagon, after pushing grandpamo...
*3d chess helmet breaks*
Dammit.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Ircher
I don’t get how bad ratmans vote is meant to transition into voting Ircher but okay. And yeah if ratmans is sus of y’all’s read on me that should make me town? And makes GLB’s vote good there? I don’t rlly see scum agenda in it but there’s so many questions that need to be answered there

Can you show me glb vote there?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

That's a lot of posts and not a lot of things happening

i'm trying to use my brain for long enough to catch up on what i missed, and this is pretty close to my thoughts so far

i now remember why i don't play in large games

No brain cells required. Vote Ircher 2021.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Ircher
I don’t get how bad ratmans vote is meant to transition into voting Ircher but okay. And yeah if ratmans is sus of y’all’s read on me that should make me town? And what makes GLB’s vote good there? I don’t rlly see scum agenda in it but there’s so many questions that need to be answered there

EBWOP

If you break down your questions for me I will faithfully answer them all. I don't really understand what you're asking.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

No brain cells required. Vote Ircher 2021.

please explain this in the simplest way possible pls

There is a vote button, you put your cursor in the middle of the quote brackets a type "Ircher"
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Sorry I messed it up.
*middle of vote brackets (they're square brackets).
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

i need explanation on why i should do that, i'm digging my current vote

also i still feel like ydrasse needs a nice amount of votes but i'm not even gonna pretend to try to push that

Oh because Ircher is scum. I have done a thorough analysis of his meta in 3 games and have picked up a behavioural tell I will not reveal. Nancy linked one of the games so feel free to make your own comparison.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

By thorough I mean skimmed his ISOs and felt it in my heart to be true.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

We could kill ratman instead you know. If we don't want to kill Gamma that is.

Or you could talk about your reads on dats and pooky.
Bonus points for thoughts on Taly, jjh, Titus.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

The fact I usually shitpost as town prior to D2/D3 still gets ignored.

There is no post restriction.

[Cheeky Wings]

actually i'm going to edit and take away the link to the shellyc site since i think it's actually against the rules to link to it and i'll link this picture of one of the games instead

ok nvm this is being awful here

Don’t click this, it will give you nightmares.

[Cheeky Wings]

I feel like I am repeating everything I have said -- I already this like two times. You may just have not understood it, which would make sense.

I'm sus of CW's opinion of Gamma and like that GLB is on there
VOTE: gamma
That's 8/11

Please tell me exactly what that opinion even is? I would really love to know.

[Cheeky Wings]

Ircher’s vibes are off

+1

[Cheeky Wings]

I don't know what to do.

I make a post about leaning town with

Ircher

and the thread populates with suspecting them without interacting with my viewpoint.

Your post wasn't about town Ircher as much as it was about you not being able to read him which doesn't do anything for me.

You mention that you two have had TvT before, what do you make of Ircher not engaging with anyone's votes on him.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Could imply guilt but jury is still out. I don't see resistance on the wagon. He does feel different than in previous games, but does that mean scum?

Only one way to find out
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Speaking of resistance Taly, there was no resistance really to a Gamma flip today. Why does resistance matter for Ircher but not Gamma?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I don't see a real need to address the votes. Anything I would say is liable to be used against me.

What do you make of Taly's soft defense of you?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I don't see a real need to address the votes. Anything I would say is liable to be used against me.

I'm not saying you need to argue against them, it would just be helpful to see you sort people's approaches to your wagon so if I'm wrong I can see it. This kind of philosophy doesn't help.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Says she stands with me to vote Ircher when I hadn’t really said much on Ircher since the beginning of the game and I was voting Loftwing. Reads as she’s trying to push an agenda with a forged signature.

Shouldn't that make you question voting Ircher? You can't complain about Titus both being apathetic to and against your wagon, that seems like you're not really processing the thoughts you're presenting beyond a surface level.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

these feel like individual reads together mashed up -- not accounting for a good solve thru interactions etc

I don't see what's wrong with someone being engaged enough to provide a rough guess on the scumteam based on individual reads. Criticising them for not being perfect is just pointless and doesn't give much incentive for people to be engaged and solve in thread.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Says she stands with me to vote Ircher when I hadn’t really said much on Ircher since the beginning of the game and I was voting Loftwing. Reads as she’s trying to push an agenda with a forged signature.

Shouldn't that make you question voting Ircher? You can't complain about Titus both being apathetic to and against your wagon, that seems like you're not really processing the thoughts you're presenting beyond a surface level.
~C

shrug
I’m not of the belief Titus’ Ircher vote isn’t a bus as of yet

I guess timing matters there, was the wagon on you dissolving then?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

GMO

feels like a nice flip.

Why does Grandpa bring attention to a "bad" solve as scum?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

i am pretty annoyed at ircher saying he skips over my posts, but i am still not seeing what the scumcase there is

nancy, how is this ircher different than yin and yang? i'm not saying you're wrong, but i genuinely just have no idea where his wagon came from (other than the mystery metacase which i will be ignoring as i have no way of actually seeing it for myself)

I didn’t like that post he made. It was Cheeky who did the metacase. I also linked for her Pooky v FL, me v Titus and even the fairy game just for the hell of it to see if how that affected her read.

That post I referenced was much stronger than anything he posted in that game.

[Cheeky Wings]

Something like Ircher/Vic/Gypyx/Titus/NK15
I’m serious about that last one btw.

Has NK15 even posted yet?

I think you’re probably wrong on Gypyx. Not really understanding your Titus read unless you think she faked not knowing about Koba/toog?

[Cheeky Wings]

yes i don’t care if you’re scum i could never vote you out

???

[Cheeky Wings]

my issue with ircher that i’ve been trying to think about is that he feels super... shade-throwy and aggressive and i’m not used to that flavor of ircher (that i can recall) when he’s town, and he tried to draw comparison to a game (yin and yang) when his play feels markedly different than that game to be, but i was scum in that game so idk if i’m not seeing it but meh.

there’s me content for the day. in other news going to drink decaf chesnut praline latte and i’m excited

Yes, that’s exactly what pinged me. He also didn’t do that in Pooky v FL either iirc.

[Cheeky Wings]

Says she stands with me to vote Ircher when I hadn’t really said much on Ircher since the beginning of the game and I was voting Loftwing. Reads as she’s trying to push an agenda with a forged signature.

Shouldn't that make you question voting Ircher? You can't complain about Titus both being apathetic to and against your wagon, that seems like you're not really processing the thoughts you're presenting beyond a surface level.
~C

shrug
I’m not of the belief Titus’ Ircher vote isn’t a bus as of yet

You really think Titus would bus Ircher on D1?

[Cheeky Wings]

I feel like I am repeating everything I have said -- I already this like two times. You may just have not understood it, which would make sense.

I'm sus of CW's opinion of Gamma and like that GLB is on there
VOTE: gamma
That's 8/11

Is my suspicion of

GMO

justified and why vote

Gamma

over suspecting another player's opinion of them?

Isn't that more indicative of

CW's

alignment than

Gamma's

?

You’re asking this to the guy who wants to kill players based off of post count?

[Cheeky Wings]

the note that her scumplay oftentimes is doing nothing and waiting for town to say it's her townmeta (i'm kinda taking it at face value that jjh wouldn't lie about it), but mostly that in some posts it seems like she has a post restriction while in others it doesn't, and that she hasn't attempted to show any scumhunting through the pr at all.

She already made it beyond obvious, she lied about having a post restriction.

[Cheeky Wings]

Victorine

give a read that is not

Sakura

or I'll give a vote.

That’s what I’ve been already saying. Why is she still voteparked on her?

[Cheeky Wings]

OK, I just rose a level of consciousness in this game.

Like town doesn't just casually say "why aren't you scum" on a player with very little thread presence.

I would

This seems like archaic trivial shit but I want to know where you stand with

Rat

and why you thought their entrance was town in any degree.

Idr explicitly townreading rat early but I think rat is kinda sus

It’s possible?

[Cheeky Wings]

hello jury, I am

Taly, the Toucan

what do you think of this one?



might tunnel if you say

"lUl already said so"

Hello Taly Toucan, why aren’t we much much higher or is this unordered?

[Cheeky Wings]

hello jury, I am

Taly, the Toucan

what do you think of this one?



might tunnel if you say

"lUl already said so"

He’s felt a little better since we first started interacting but I’m not certain he’s town

If this list is ordered then I honestly don’t know what to make of this, because no way should I be lower than 6th, so if that’s actually the case, I probably won’t be sheeping Taly on anything.

[Cheeky Wings]

hello jury, I am

Taly, the Toucan

what do you think of this one?



might tunnel if you say

"lUl already said so"

ok

gamma

can sit next with

me/ydra/CW

at the table.

might siteflake if im wrong in townhunting atp but its a start.

Please explain this because it looks like you went straight from townblocking us to having us in your PoE?

So what happened in 13 posts to suddenly change that?

[Cheeky Wings]

Something_Smart replaces Queen.

If that slot is scum, I will eventually catch them. I do in every game.