Anything uPick (Endgame)

[Deimos27]

haha cant relate

^oop this is me i accidentally was logged into my alt while looking at this game

[Deimos27]

So after 115 pages the best you can say is that you lean town on the

one

person who hasn't said

anything

.

I can't tell whether I am more confused or amused

[Deimos27]

I feel like I'd literally locktown Galron for this if their joindate were more like August 2021 or later. As it stands I am just mystified

[Deimos27]

What is the point of asking questions if you never look for the answers Galron

[Deimos27]

There are like 5 questions in your ISO whose answers you never engage with and it sounds like it's because you don't even bother to look for them

[Deimos27]

I could make cases up, but that hardly seems like a villager thing to do. I think it's better to keep quiet until something pops out at me.

is this a Villy claim??

What kind of question is this? If you're asking a rhetorical question, it's kinda dumb. But yes, I'm town.

Villager is sometimes associated with vanilla town, I assume that's the point

[Deimos27]

Well, NotKnown having not posted seems a bit odd. I would lean town there since I think scum would be putting some effort into this.

nk is always like that
he just doesn't play the game

yeah I mean not showing up on VCs is obv his townmeta

[Deimos27]

Hmhmhmhmhm

[Deimos27]

I'd rather not vote Galron for now

[Deimos27]

I might still change my mind but on first impressions Galron falls tstbs for me

[Deimos27]

Galron's ISO is only 19 posts, wanna argue about it

...is it?
I must have been hallucinating or mixing games up but I saw like 10x that in activity overview

That was in "other games"

why does this post feel towny to me??????

fuck it I'm going with it because I TRed Galron for random shit in Radio Buzz and that was correct so WHY NOT

Yeah no that's way too random what

[Deimos27]

I hate that post

[Deimos27]

I might still change my mind but on first impressions Galron falls tstbs for me

So what's scummy about me?

Asking questions whose answers you openly admit not to having read, generally refusing to keep up with the game, refusing to make reads, feeling tonally adversarial throughout, finally posting some superficial one sentence per player analysis

My first impression is that scum wouldn't play like this, though there is a chance you just have gargantuan balls

[Deimos27]

so when he picked Death for his role.

I'm sorry what the fuck?

He LITERALLY picked that in the one of these that

I

ran, and I gave him a gravedigger strongman role
DID HE SERIOUSLY PICK DEATH IN ANOTHER ONE?

Why are you taking this remotely seriously, how would GLB know his role

[Deimos27]

Thank you. So he's a pseudo-stump.

You too??

[Deimos27]

He always picks Death in Upicks

it is known

Oh wait what
Really

[Deimos27]

Shut up bro

[Deimos27]

Wtf why do you believe him

[Deimos27]

WHAT IS HAPPENING

[Deimos27]

ok i wasnt even trying to rolefish nk15

i was just like honestly wondering why rcb didnt prod the dude

its not my fault he was super drunk and just blabbed all about it

???????????????
???????????????

[Deimos27]

That was a reaction test and Gamma failed it
Surely

[Deimos27]

That's not the kind of bastard this game is there's a 0% chance

[Deimos27]

well me and firebringer and RCB got drunk yesterday night during our weekly civ5 game.

and RCB can't hold his liquor

and we asked him

yo what's up with that NK15 dude

and I kid you not this guy's face lights up like a pumpkin and he spews his drink all over his monitor

and he's telling us how he trolled NK15 with the trollest custom role ever

good times

I'm Assuming This Is A Joke Because If True You Should Have Been Replaced

Not A Good Joke It Is Nothing Like My Amazing Humor LMAO

A sane human praise the lord

[Deimos27]

On what planet do Galron and Gamma believe that story

[Deimos27]

Especially Gamma cause she's actually keeping up with the game

[Deimos27]

Galron's ISO is only 19 posts, wanna argue about it

...is it?
I must have been hallucinating or mixing games up but I saw like 10x that in activity overview

That was in "other games"

why does this post feel towny to me??????

fuck it I'm going with it because I TRed Galron for random shit in Radio Buzz and that was correct so WHY NOT

Yeah no that's way too random what

Also this looks
Legendarily contrived
To me

L e g e n d a r i l y
C o n t r i v e d

[Deimos27]

Especially Gamma cause she's actually keeping up with the game

she?

Her pronouns say "he or she" and given that I know nothing else I've just been using whichever I feel like

[Deimos27]

If you have a preference Gamma please let me know

[Deimos27]

Gamma Emerald Has A Hard Time Identifying Jokes Sometimes I Do Not Blame Him For Being: Intimidated (By My Power)

I Cannot Speak For: Galron

Is this a legit trend
Because I actually have multiple scumtells on Gamma this game based on her taking posts that I perceive to be jokes too seriously

[Deimos27]

Can others confirm

[Deimos27]

deimos wat is ur updated thoughts on galron

Spoiler:

I'd rather not vote Galron for now

I might still change my mind but on first impressions Galron falls tstbs for me

I might still change my mind but on first impressions Galron falls tstbs for me

So what's scummy about me?

Asking questions whose answers you openly admit not to having read, generally refusing to keep up with the game, refusing to make reads, feeling tonally adversarial throughout, finally posting some superficial one sentence per player analysis

My first impression is that scum wouldn't play like this, though there is a chance you just have gargantuan balls

My thoughts have not been updated beyond this and they likely will not be until I have another night of sleep under my belt

[Deimos27]

So I'm like nulltown on Galron now instead

[Deimos27]

And I was briefly back to being ultra sus of Gamma but then SS said it's actually their meta not to understand humour so now I'm less certain again

[Deimos27]

So I'm like nulltown on Galron now instead

stop copying me >:(

I said it first!
Tstbs
If anything you're copying me

[Deimos27]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

[Deimos27]

I'm gonna go to bed
This seems like a good time

[Deimos27]

Shut up bro

ok deimos i'll ask him about your role next week

Lmao Gamma, Pooky is trolling you.

that's a long way to go for a troll if so?

Good point
It's more likely that RC compromised the integrity of the game for all other 21 participants or however many, and didn't immediately force replace GLB
Checks out to me

[Deimos27]

Especially Gamma cause she's actually keeping up with the game

Gamma seriously believed that GiF was going to lock our hydra thread in FFIV so no he didn’t fail any reaction tests.

Welp

[Deimos27]

That was sarcasm if you could not tell

[Deimos27]

Maybe I should go back to voting GLB after all

[Deimos27]

I'm just thinking that if Pooky improvises posts like those with such ease maybe there's a world where 1073 still comes from scum!him
It's an impressive post nonetheless

[Deimos27]

On what basis do you trust my analysis?

well that nightless game gave me good impression of u as analytical player

I like to think of myself as analytical but surely you can't tell my read accuracy from a scumgame
It looks ultra-pockety to say that

true i have no idea what ur read accuracy is.
good analysis proving my point

Bc I'm still super sus about this

[Deimos27]

Didn't one of you hard scumread that slot earlier

[Deimos27]

I'm thinking Victorine has gone extinct or something so I want my vote elsewhere again. I still intend to re-evaluate Ircher maybe that's an option.

In any case it's work for tomorrow

[Deimos27]

Morning

Ni

Give me one reason why you should not die for being utterly useless

[Deimos27]

to add to the above though, some of his posts in context are... odd? like 20 minutes after he gets one vote he's already resigning himself to his death, and the two townreads (nk15? pan??) are just lmfao?

That first post (resigned to death) is his scummiest for sure
In a non-tstbs way
The rest is way too blatant, I do struggle to believe that scum would play like this

[Deimos27]

For Victorine, I'd honestly say town. Yes, it does seem like she's fake claiming a post restriction, but aside from that, she seems really interested in the game. By interested here, I don't mean interested in scumhunting but rather just excited about her role, etc.

Being excited about your role is town-ai?
Eh?

[Deimos27]

Fuck it.

UNVOTE:

In Nancy v Titus, Ircher was making bullshit reads, these actually sound believable.

Those aren't reads. Just very easy observations and an attempt to gaslight a galron push.
~C

I agree w/ Cheeky I don't think anything in that post was particularly impressive

[Deimos27]

Day 1 .... 3000 posts cmon ppl

Ikr
How am I supposed to analyse this amount of content
There's not nearly enough to form a coherent read

[Deimos27]

ya

I think i should just globally prod the game so that the game isn't moving at such a snails pace, only having 20 pages every time i do a VC is weirdchamp

+1

[Deimos27]

Still waiting for someone to get us out of RVS

[Deimos27]

Clemency you know that time I mentioned that I wanted to try to beat the Quick, Before the Mods Come record in Mish Mash

[Deimos27]

We should do it here

[Deimos27]

Spoiler:

[instagram][/instagram]

Fuck it.

UNVOTE:

In Nancy v Titus, Ircher was making bullshit reads, these actually sound believable.

Those aren't reads. Just very easy observations and an attempt to gaslight a galron push.
~C

You don’t understand. Read his ISO in me v Titus again, he was saying really sketchy things. Many of his takes were totally off to me. It was just different than here.

I’m also not convinced Galron is town or Clemency for that matter. His Gamma post still sucks but that’s really the only one I hated.

Like, if I'm gonna have to actually think about slots like Ircher, Galron, and GrandpaMo I need to engage brain more. Definitely seeing potential for scum Ircher but the easiest most obvious scum elim is Victorine

Oh right, that’s who you’re currently voting.


So you’ve obviously changed your mind on Ircher?

Not sure on V because of her post about shitposting on D1.

So maybe go back to this then?

VOTE: Ircher

Did you two come to a consensus?

[Deimos27]

I have no opinion on the meta case (again as I do not share the meta) but I am wondering how Cheeky convinced Nancy

[Deimos27]

Like, if I'm gonna have to actually think about slots like Ircher, Galron, and GrandpaMo I need to engage brain more. Definitely seeing potential for scum Ircher but the easiest most obvious scum elim is Victorine

You are expressing the scumread on Victorine with a bit too much certainty for my liking
Admittedly I no longer remember what exactly your reasons were for scumreading them

[Deimos27]

Like, if I'm gonna have to actually think about slots like Ircher, Galron, and GrandpaMo I need to engage brain more. Definitely seeing potential for scum Ircher but the easiest most obvious scum elim is Victorine

You are expressing the scumread on Victorine with a bit too much certainty for my liking
Admittedly I no longer remember what exactly your reasons were for scumreading them

Their play is clearly anti-town but it's not like this level of trollery has only ever been seen from scum
I wouldn't say their alignment is

obvious

.

[Deimos27]

Cheeky I think has been claiming to have some behavioural tell that they refuse to out
This is the best I personally have on Ircher and I'm not convinced it justifies a vote:

Spoiler:

Gamma, your statement that your voting history is fine is objectively wrong by the fact that many of your votes have in fact been called out. And no, your Queen vote was not townie and accomplished nothing other than looking busy.

Oh right there was this
Yeah it's pretty bad
Hmmm

"objectively wrong" is such misplaced certainty that it looks agenda-driven regardless of whether the agenda is to bus or to mislim

Ircher seems like a player who values rationality, I don't see how he just makes a blatant appeal to popularity about Gamma's voting instead of engaging it with either his own reasoning or asking Gamma to present

his

own.

[Deimos27]

Like, if I'm gonna have to actually think about slots like Ircher, Galron, and GrandpaMo I need to engage brain more. Definitely seeing potential for scum Ircher but the easiest most obvious scum elim is Victorine

You are expressing the scumread on Victorine with a bit too much certainty for my liking
Admittedly I no longer remember what exactly your reasons were for scumreading them

Their play is clearly anti-town but it's not like this level of trollery has only ever been seen from scum
I wouldn't say their alignment is

obvious

.

I'm down for a jjh wagon if you think that's better than Ircher?
~C

That's like the only thing I remember seeing from jjh that might be scum-ai
Similarly from Ircher I have the one quote atm
You are free to use further evidence to convince me to take a more decisive stance on either slot

[Deimos27]

I have a funny crazy idea Cheeky
You could out your behavioural tell on Ircher
I know it's a bit bonkers
Just a concept

[Deimos27]

On second thought I just remembered I probably won't bother to read if you start linking a bunch of meta
So maybe don't do that

[Deimos27]

deimos have u found any scum yet for me to sheep u on yet or what.

What happened to me using logic and reason to remind you that you have no knowledge of my read accuracy

[Deimos27]

Ok hold on Cheeky your ISO is huge if you link the scumgame I'll read it

[Deimos27]

Cool. I open up to a page about me. I guess that means I'm a wagon of some sort. I can't keep up with this pace, so if you're going to kill me go ahead. Just make it quick so I don't have to worry about a prod.

What am I supposed to be responding to anyway?

Like, this should probably be NAI, but wouldnt scum him have buddies to help him get out of whatever hole he was in instead of just going "oh ok, just kill me then idc"

If that post comes from scum mindset it comes from a scum mindset where they think defeatism looks townie
Whether or not scum!Galron types in his scum pt "buds pls come dig me out of this" doesn't affect that he will aim to react townie

[Deimos27]

Friends I did actual meta research on this Ircher business I hope you're proud of me

This is an Ircher towngame I found in CheekyWings ISO: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11103539

This is Ydra/CW thoughts on Ircher

my issue with ircher that i’ve been trying to think about is that he feels super... shade-throwy and aggressive and i’m not used to that flavor of ircher (that i can recall) when he’s town, and he tried to draw comparison to a game (yin and yang) when his play feels markedly different than that game to be, but i was scum in that game so idk if i’m not seeing it but meh.

there’s me content for the day. in other news going to drink decaf chesnut praline latte and i’m excited

Yes, that’s exactly what pinged me. He also didn’t do that in Pooky v FL either iirc.

These are some sample posts I'm using for comparison:

Spoiler:

Anyway
VOTE: Queen let’s bring someone new into the light, eh?
As for me, I should hopefully be obvtown by Day 3 if you chumps don’t elim me before then.

Ah yes, vote the low hanging fruit when you need a distractor. Seriously though, what do you expect that vote to accomplish?

, you also talked about your role almost as soon as you started posting which is statistically in role madness games +towns

Wow, so much sloppy reasoning!

Gamma, your statement that your voting history is fine is objectively wrong by the fact that many of your votes have in fact been called out. And no, your Queen vote was not townie and accomplished nothing other than looking busy.

Conclusion: Ircher indeed feels more shade-throwy and adversarial than normal towngame (on sample size of 1)

[Deimos27]

Yo Victorine wagon is actually picking up traction?
I must be dreaming

[Deimos27]

While we're at it though- Ircher-

Do you think there might be a reason why scum!Yume could get excited about a scum role PM? Perhaps in a upick where you can pick anything? Where she picked a character she likes?

That is, if you actually believe she is excited about her role PM because I really don't believe she's done anything to justify that stance of yours

I actually think faking a post restriction in order to avoid the thread is the opposite of being excited about the role PM you have received

mindmeld

[Deimos27]

Yo Victorine wagon is actually picking up traction?
I must be dreaming

Join the dream team

I've been on it since time immemorial

[Deimos27]

Conclusion: Ircher indeed feels more shade-throwy and adversarial than normal towngame (on sample size of 1)

not to immediately disprove u but i think thats just ircher personality dependent on environment. i don't know how much reading into the kinds of reactions he is giving is useful.

'Tis possible
In any case I feel he's scummier for me than he used to be at least
I'd have voted him if the Victorine wagon hadn't blown up
Am considering it even now

[Deimos27]

I've been on it since time immemorial

and i literally asked u for a scumread 2 pages ago smh

What kind of salesman ship u doing

Well I'm not actually confident in the Victorine scumcase I think this "fear" hypothesis is pretty speculative
This was a placeholder vote aiming at pressuring them into actually playing the game

[Deimos27]

Victorine is anti-town and I think limming them is +equity in a vacuum
But we do not play in a vacuum, if I have a strong enough sr elsewhere I want to go for them instead

[Deimos27]

a) why are you voting that way atp
b) weren’t you among the crowd of voices bitching at me for doing that to Queen?

Can't tell if these are addressed to me because of how inaccurate point (b) is

[Deimos27]

That said if I had been around I probably would have protested because Queen is not a +equity lim in a vacuum
They are a legitimately good player from what I saw in the one completed game we had together

[Deimos27]

Well I'd be impressed if

you

remembered because

I

don't

[Deimos27]

I explained why I was voting Victorine last page
The obvious conclusion is that I have not achieved sufficient confidence on any SR to outweigh the value I perceive on pressuring Victorine slot
I am very seriously weighing Ircher rn though
Might have another look-see at Gamma too right after I finish a few more econ exercises

[Deimos27]

Gamma, your statement that your voting history is fine is objectively wrong by the fact that many of your votes have in fact been called out. And no, your Queen vote was not townie and accomplished nothing other than looking busy.

Oh right there was this
Yeah it's pretty bad
Hmmm

This was what I found in your ISO with a ctrl-f of “Queen”
So you didn’t really say it in the moment but it sounds like you agreed with Ircher about it here
Idrt S_S is scum as of yet but if he is I think this might be a rlly bad look for Deimos

I can see why you might think that out of context
But to the contrary, this post was saying that Ircher's post was bad
"this"/"it" = Ircher's post

[Deimos27]

I explained why I was voting Victorine last page
The obvious conclusion is that I have not achieved sufficient confidence on any SR to outweigh the value I perceive on pressuring Victorine slot
I am very seriously weighing Ircher rn though
Might have another look-see at Gamma too right after I finish a few more econ exercises

okay.

i think you are scum

VOTE: Diemos27

Ok
But
At least spell my name right

[Deimos27]

I got 2 ppl to come out and say their thoughts on Deimos.

Oh
Well actually both of those people had already explicitly townread me
So apart from confirming that they hadn't changed their minds you achieved no new info by ending the reaction test so soon

[Deimos27]

In short, Titus is town because I can see her trying to wagon someone else when one of her townreads is being wagoned

Doesn't this only make sense if you think the person Titus is townreading can't be her scumpartner

[Deimos27]

thank god i rolled town in this game, townily

this game would be more fun as scum tho

imagine the stress levels i'd be under trying to keep up with 132 pages of info as scum

This is the sort of game that would make scum!me flake
Instead I am actually ~keeping up
And doing it ~happily
Because I am ~town

[Deimos27]

i scumread diemos27 but townread deimos27

And?

If Deimos27 owns the failsafe, I get nuked in response.

The whole fucking town celebrates in response.

The problem with this is...what, exactly?

r u like known for bad communication

At the very least they are known to me for that
Since approx. their first 10 posts

[Deimos27]

Wait I'm sorry that was actually mean

[Deimos27]

I did not think that post through
I do believe I have made it clear that I struggle with reading Mo's posts but I don't want to blame that on them having bad communication rather than me having poor reading comprehension

[Deimos27]

This game openly has a serial killer, and a serial killer would throw off my new technique

Excuse me what

[Deimos27]

Nah, there's info from an elim even if there's no resistance to it


There are, however, infoless flips, like the two we got today from a very ineffectively used suicide dayvig

based

[Deimos27]

here aren't many things which can be ruined by a serial killer in scumhunting, after all.

Since when is there a confirmed SK

[Deimos27]

Riddle me this

[Deimos27]

Believe in Pacman and Pacman believes in you.

I respect people I respect. None of you are them.

- m

I'm just saying I've like never policy limmed someone before in my entire career
And I really badly want to policy lim this

[Deimos27]

How about we have Victorine and Ircher as top 2 competing wagons
Bit of a compromise
See where life takes us from there

[Deimos27]

I thought GrandpaMo was talking about his play in another game where there was a serial killer

They said they were planning a new scumhunting technique for "this game"
But it was ruined by a mechanically confirmed serial killer

[Deimos27]

Mo explain yourself
Who confirmed an sk and when and how

[Deimos27]

GMO, it's 18:5. No SK unless you think kittybells lies this much.

How do You know it's 18:5?

Confirmed in RC's OP

[Deimos27]

3) The faction numbers are 18:5.

[Deimos27]

Whoops
I did not get a preview for that submit

[Deimos27]

I didn't even get pedited that time holyshit

SAME

[Deimos27]

Dude I saw 3371 and I thought it was wisdom

Sigh

i am not wisdom
but because i chose an L avatar when i made the account, with no prior knowledge of wisdom, i am resigned to forever living in his shadow

[Deimos27]

In short, Titus is town because I can see her trying to wagon someone else when one of her townreads is being wagoned

Doesn't this only make sense if you think the person Titus is townreading can't be her scumpartner

Reply to this

Jjh

No this is just archetypal town!Titus meta behaviour in that it's a thing she does

Not exactly a useful consideration unless you also think scum!Titus

doesn't

do this

[Deimos27]

Honestly I thought SS was just really committed to replacing Queen and didn't think for a second it was actually a post restriction

What did you think of

GrandpaMo’s

post just before this one?

I think this is an exercise in theatre by scum!GrandpaMo to make scum!Victorine's post restriction more believable

I was so impressed by Mo cracking Victorine's roleplay that I did consider if it might be tmi (through scum PT)

[Deimos27]

when in the end just to change from pocketing to scumreading vic? as what S_S said?

Oh you're sr'ing vic now?
I missed that

[Deimos27]

Well, I did use "consider" past tense
I think I have worn a tinfoil hat already a few too many times this game

[Deimos27]

diemos

:(

[Deimos27]

-Why did Yume suddenly start signing every post with M having done that on exactly one other post, along with also having signed as "Big bad wold" and "Red" previously, at a time when GrandpaMo decided to push the agenda that Yume's post restriction was to imitate Mastina?
-Why does GMo ignore Post 2161 while attempting to determine Yume's post restriction?
-This is exactly the kind of poorly thought out nonsense I would expect from scum!Yume to justify demonstrably false claims based on what has happened when Yume has been caught in a lie in the past
-GMo really pushed that agenda HARD there. Like damn, there were some serious leaps of logic to get to that conclusion and then he left it open with the obvious "Mastina" answer for me and/or Fire to answer for him so he doesn't seem completely batshit insane.

Conclusion- A pair of bad actors reading a bad script

Guys wanna wagon jjh after all

[Deimos27]

Also, what's the penalty if you don't meet the restriction?

Losing my night ability.

whats ur night ability

Shooting dem lazers.

You lost it already right cause you've obviously not posted even one 1000 word wall per day

[Deimos27]

You lost it already right cause you've obviously not posted even one 1000 word wall per day

Oh wait you probably mean per in-game day
I'm smart

[Deimos27]

-Why did Yume suddenly start signing every post with M having done that on exactly one other post, along with also having signed as "Big bad wold" and "Red" previously, at a time when GrandpaMo decided to push the agenda that Yume's post restriction was to imitate Mastina?
-Why does GMo ignore Post 2161 while attempting to determine Yume's post restriction?
-This is exactly the kind of poorly thought out nonsense I would expect from scum!Yume to justify demonstrably false claims based on what has happened when Yume has been caught in a lie in the past
-GMo really pushed that agenda HARD there. Like damn, there were some serious leaps of logic to get to that conclusion and then he left it open with the obvious "Mastina" answer for me and/or Fire to answer for him so he doesn't seem completely batshit insane.

Conclusion- A pair of bad actors reading a bad script

Guys wanna wagon jjh after all

I dont get this stance?

On reflection this may indeed be one of those weirdpushes that is not a scum-motivated weirdpush.
Mainly because I think an informed perspective may be slightly less likely to see intricate ghost

associatives

compared to ghost individual tells.

[Deimos27]

Fascinated at how polarised the reads of Fire/Pooky (sorry didn't pay attention to who it was) and Cheeky are wrt jjh

[Deimos27]

I mean, I got there because GMo seemed to be interpreting things in a really leapy way

I'll clarify.

I do suppose the interaction was very slightly +equity for Mo being informed about Victorine's flavour, but I didn't buy your firm confidence in that associative, nor the reasoning behind it that Mo's intent would have been some intricate plan to get everyone to believe the post restriction.

Because (a) no one was ever gonna believe the post restriction anyway; that ship sailed 100 pages ago
And (b) what is the scum motivation exactly? If people magically did believe the post restriction how would that actually have justified Victorine's previous failure to try to work around the post restriction and try to any degree to participate in the game? What reason did scum have to think establishing the truth of a Victorine post restriction would result in Victorine tr's?

Let me know if I'm entirely misunderstanding your case

[Deimos27]

I mean, I got there because GMo seemed to be interpreting things in a really leapy way

I'll clarify.

I do suppose the interaction was very slightly +equity for Mo being informed about Victorine's flavour, but I didn't buy your firm confidence in that associative, nor the reasoning behind it that Mo's intent would have been some intricate plan to get everyone to believe the post restriction.

Because (a) no one was ever gonna believe the post restriction anyway; that ship sailed 100 pages ago
And (b) what is the scum motivation exactly? If people magically did believe the post restriction how would that actually have justified Victorine's previous failure to try to work around the post restriction and try to any degree to participate in the game? What reason did scum have to think establishing the truth of a Victorine post restriction would result in Victorine tr's?

Let me know if I'm entirely misunderstanding your case

If you'd

only

said the "Mo seems to be interpreting things in a really leapy way, I don't get how they arrived at their inference of the flavour claim, it looks informed" bit, then I would've been like "yeah, ig I can kinda see the slight +equity for those two having a PT" (slight because it is also mitigated by Mo's decision shortly thereafter to bus Vic, what's the point)

Your reasoning was what was bizarre to me

But it's ok I came around you might be town for it regardless

[Deimos27]

lol i could care less about vic.

lmfao

all that shit and that energy is fake to me. i just wanted to have fun while exectuing it

can we now vote or what

VOTE: victorine

I doubt Visterene's PR is preventing them from playing the game.

But then again RC did include something more bastard than a super Janitor here, so Idk what to believe.

i wouldnt be suprised if loft is scum

actually

VOTE: loft

i wanna see where this leads

yes @diemos

Wait no I misunderstood this timeline Mo's vote on Vic was a million years ago
What was quoting these supposed to establish

[Deimos27]

Honestly I thought SS was just really committed to replacing Queen and didn't think for a second it was actually a post restriction

What did you think of

GrandpaMo’s

post just before this one?

I think this is an exercise in theatre by scum!GrandpaMo to make scum!Victorine's post restriction more believable

Oh no nvm this comes before that so yeah the timeline is correct

[Deimos27]

i wish to communicate something the mod has related to me and pooky:
this is mod confirmed and paraphrased so no mod kill

one of the low posting posters, is in fact low posting.

Galaxy brain stuff

[Deimos27]

If scum!Victorine wanted to coast in this game, she would have just kept up her minimal engagement with the game. That's not at all what happened. Over the course of today, she has offered significant amounts of information unrequested from her.

I will update this to say that the unrequested part is a stretch, but the overall point still stands that she was much more engaged than I would expect her to be if her goal is simply to survive.

The wagon grew very rapidly prior to her real engagement
In fact, her engagement appears to have paused the wagon, more or less
So I'd say the engagement could very well be seen to have been pressured out of her

[Deimos27]

I was thinking this defense could well be TMI

[Deimos27]

Yes it hinges on the claim being true, I just don't know why Ircher hard defends Yume as either alignment this way whilst being scum himself.

But I see the argument that it may be a bit too hard of a defense
i.e. one that appears to actually be derailing the wagon
i.e. one that would be sending the wagon, most likely, onto

him

as the next choice

[Deimos27]

Good shot

[Deimos27]

i.e. one that appears to actually be derailing the wagon

aiming to

, I should say

[Deimos27]

ircher is doing terrible at derailing. good correction deimos. gold star

Yeah I mean I'm really not convinced
I see this level of hard defense from scum all the time on their TMIs
Often the thought behind it is really not that deep
It's just "I could protect this townie and it could either pocket them or hopefully get big towncred" without much nuance

And in this case Ircher is very widely scumread they don't have good reason to think their word would have weight

anyway

[Deimos27]

Ircher just disappears the moment they get shot
Coincidence?

[Deimos27]

ircher is doing terrible at derailing. good correction deimos. gold star

Yeah I mean I'm really not convinced
I see this level of hard defense from scum all the time on their TMIs
Often the thought behind it is really not that deep
It's just "I could protect this townie and it could either pocket them or hopefully get big towncred" without much nuance

And in this case Ircher is very widely scumread they don't have good reason to think their word would have weight

anyway

Are you even voting Ircher yet?
~C

I was going to right after this explanation and then he got dayvigged

[Deimos27]

Will throw in a VOTE: Ircher for good measure

[Deimos27]

I doubt the shot was real. If it was, well you'll know what I am soon enough.

Final reads

pleeeease

Just in case

[Deimos27]

I highly doubt Mo would fake such a weird trigger sentence for their vig
If they were reaction testing they'd go for believable

[Deimos27]

Imagine getting shot and not giving reads

My belief in Ircher's scumminess only grows

[Deimos27]

I highly doubt Mo would fake such a weird trigger sentence for their vig
If they were reaction testing they'd go for believable

Sounds Like That's Exactly What He Did

Shhhhh

[Deimos27]

We're busy flipping scum!Ircher
Go back to lurking

[Deimos27]

We're busy flipping scum!Ircher
Go back to lurking

This was addressed to SS

[Deimos27]

Deep down I was wondering if the colorful parrot was scum but I keep flip flopping on them. So. Yeah. Idk, what do others think?
~C

I've been thinking town for the toucan

[Deimos27]

Why are you hypothesising scum!them

[Deimos27]

For Deimos, he strikes me as the most likely deepscum. Should I be making such reads rn? Probably not, but I am anyway.

I am taking this as a great compliment
I hope no one here ever actually looks at my past scumgames *cough cough*

[Deimos27]

Anyway, personally I do believe that this was a reaction test
I was just playing along
Now my vote on Ircher is real though

They were clearly present and I think they would've reacted faster if they were town
The subsequent slowposting also I think is more likely from scum trying to figure out how to look authentic (as well as decide on what readslist is strategically best) than town trying to consolidate their final thoughts

[Deimos27]

hm -- giving deimos and taly as scum... would scum do that probably not?

Y'reckon?
Why not?

[Deimos27]

hm -- giving deimos and taly as scum... would scum do that probably not?

Y'reckon?
Why not?

Seems like a good way to shuffle the wifom deck regardless of whether they believed the shot

[Deimos27]

it was a reaction test.

Oh ok
VOTE: Ircher
Rest of that post dont matter

You believed it?

[Deimos27]

Coinci-not.

I doubt the shot was real. If it was, well you'll know what I am soon enough.

ok rc

im ready to use my day vig shot


my kill phrase

my shrine, my lover, i call upon to shoot whomever i please to call

eenie meeni my name is mo, and im ready to shoot your ***!

shoot: Ircher

Interesting

[Deimos27]

Oops didn't mean to quote those just meant to respond to Sakura

[Deimos27]

Ircher just disappears the moment they get shot
Coincidence?

Coinci-not.

But yeah I hate this timing
He hadn't posted in the thread for like 15 minutes so if he were town and he'd just stepped away from the game he could say
"I stepped away from the game for a sec. Dayvig is obviously fake"
Instead the timing with him appearing right after 3852 makes me think he was there all along and we managed to lure him out by making it look like his absence was intrinsically scummy.

I also feel like his claiming disbelief of the shot is inconsistent with him thereafter still making a (not very, but somewhat) comprehensive readslist.
Wanting to still get the towncred for having given a readslist.

[Deimos27]

this is how i see it.

ircher = scum = vic being town becuase ircher has tmi for vic to be town
ircher = town = vic being town because ircher has tmi (pr) for vic to be town


if you flip vic
vic = scum = ircher being scum due to defense
vic = town = ircher being scum due to having tmi

in the case that vic is scum, its 1/4
in the case that ircher is scum, 3/4


i see more worlds where ircher is scum

I assume the conditional probabilities are meant to be more nuanced than this
But the way you've presented it would actually have Ircher scum 100% of the time
Because Vic is definitely either town or scum, and regardless of which they are you have Ircher as scum

[Deimos27]

It bothers me that it took Deimos this long to finally vote Ircher.
~C

Can you elaborate on when exactly you were expecting me to vote Ircher

[Deimos27]

ircher is doing terrible at derailing. good correction deimos. gold star

Yeah I mean I'm really not convinced
I see this level of hard defense from scum all the time on their TMIs
Often the thought behind it is really not that deep
It's just "I could protect this townie and it could either pocket them or hopefully get big towncred" without much nuance

And in this case Ircher is very widely scumread they don't have good reason to think their word would have weight

anyway

Are you even voting Ircher yet?
~C

I was going to right after this explanation and then he got dayvigged

This is 100% true
I'd already typed out the vote on Ircher when I saw the dayvig
At which point I actively thought to myself: "to better sell the reaction test I should look like I believe the vig, in which case I should look like it doesn't make a difference whether I vote or not, so I shouldn't vote now"

[Deimos27]

It was a reaction test

[Deimos27]

ratmans is the epitome of dumbtell
How many do I need to see before I believe it?
I am not sure. Perhaps I should already believe it

[Deimos27]

Should've finished reading.
Did Ircher pass?

Not that I'm aware of

[Deimos27]

Spoiler:

it was a reaction test.

Oh ok
VOTE: Ircher
Rest of that post dont matter

You believed it?

I did find something odd about it, but i didnt have any reason to disbelieve it.

Ok nevermind, at first I did, but later I realized that it seemed to operate entirely different from toog's suicide bomb, which made me think it was probably fake but I continued to play along.

This smells fishy to me

[Deimos27]

Imagine getting shot and not giving reads

This looked like it was completely playing along with the reaction test
Trying to provoke the reads
But then the following two posts look like she believed the dayvig
Before then again admitting that actually at that point she didn't anymore

[Deimos27]

UNVOTE:
Been too long since last VC I have no clue how far Ircher is from hammer

[Deimos27]

Imagine getting shot and not giving reads

This looked like it was completely playing along with the reaction test
Trying to provoke the reads
But then the following two posts look like she believed the dayvig
Before then again admitting that actually at that point she didn't anymore

Sorry not literally the following two, rather the two I quoted

Spoiler:

it was a reaction test.

Oh ok
VOTE: Ircher
Rest of that post dont matter

You believed it?

I did find something odd about it, but i didnt have any reason to disbelieve it.

Ok nevermind, at first I did, but later I realized that it seemed to operate entirely different from toog's suicide bomb, which made me think it was probably fake but I continued to play along.

This smells fishy to me

[Deimos27]

But does it matter

Yes because as much as some people are dying for flips I still feel like my reads are developing and I'd rather not facilitate lolhammers before

everyone

has chimed in

[Deimos27]

dying for flips

unintentionally funny

[Deimos27]

But then the following two posts look like she believed the dayvig

?
If you mean the post where i said "Oh ok" and voted Ircher, was because GMo had already admitted the reaction test so there was no need to continue to play along.

The way you said "oh ok" implied to me surprise
Which is why I asked whether you believed it
To which you responded explicitly that you did
Before correcting yourself

It's very strange to me

[Deimos27]

We're at 159 pages. That's plenty of content.

Why are you so insistent on dying, anyway

[Deimos27]

We're at 159 pages. That's plenty of content.

Why are you so insistent on dying, anyway

I want another round of content comprising people's reads on this reaction test and updated reads on you

[Deimos27]

It may be strange, but I explained my entire thought process to you, is there anything else you want to ask about it.

Ok 1 clarification
How would you describe the mental state you were articulating with "oh ok"?

[Deimos27]

Picture me like an ostrich
My head is deep in the sandy earth of analysis

[Deimos27]

We're at 159 pages. That's plenty of content.

Why are you so insistent on dying, anyway

Why shouldn't I be?

"Ask not what the game can do for you – ask what you can do for the game."

If you're town don't you think you could do more for the game by still trying to get someone else limmed instead?
Gamma is still a large wagon for example I believe

[Deimos27]

If you're asking what was going on in my mind it felt like "Oh i can drop the act now"

Ok that's what I was looking for actually
Cause I totally parsed it as surprise

[Deimos27]

Ok Sakura you live another day

[Deimos27]

Picture me like an ostrich
My head is deep in the sandy earth of analysis

I am making this my sig I don't care that it's peddling a myth

[Deimos27]

In fact it's probably best if I shorten it to just
"Picture me like an ostrich"
For maximum confusion

[Deimos27]

I am now waiting on the Ircher meta experts to give their analysis of whether scum!Ircher tends to fight hard or be more defeatist on death row

[Deimos27]

I the meanwhile I will sleep because this distracted me all the way till almost 5am again... g e e z

[Deimos27]

In*

[Deimos27]

Hello I haven't been around today because problem set essay essay stress stress
I skimmed through and it looks like Ircher is not a wagon currently for reasons that are [question mark]
VOTE: Ircher

[Deimos27]

Gypyx does not even exist on the face of the earth why are we voting there

[Deimos27]

Might even be getting replacement soon

[Deimos27]

Ok well I'm not reading gypyx iso rn I'm leaving straight away again to go to sleep because I need to wake up early for problem set essay essay stress stress

I'm anticipating a replacement but they could still reappear in which case it's good to have some pressure to dissuade sneaky prodging

[Deimos27]

Jjh and glb looking betterish.

Agreeing on jjh mayhaps
GLB still inconclusive

[Deimos27]

I still exist
I am still busy irl
Thank you for not hyperposting in my absence

If anyone is conveniently a political scientist let me know so I can interview you about state strength for my essay

If the only possible town motivation for Ircher wanting to die before Victorine is that they have a -ev role then all the more reason to lim him

Vic + Mo is not

impossible

but if the main reason to vote Vic at this point is an associative with Mo and I otherwise tr Mo then that sounds very dumb

[Deimos27]

Ok great prodge now to bed

[Deimos27]

an opportunity to re-evaluate GLB, v interesting
v interesting that no nk, v good for town
insert more prodging iioa here

I'm not remotely caught up and I don't know yet if I'll bother trying to get caught up. I intend to maybe potentially put effort into the game again after I've handed in my next two assignments tomorrow + Wednesday

[Deimos27]

hello i have no idea what's happened but nothing tells me i'm not allowed to post
i've been encased in ice whatever that means

v interesting

[Deimos27]

Actually yeah probably T3 does need to die

[Deimos27]

Actually idk I was thinking it makes more sense that Mo wanted T3 to help clear him and made the hood claim before T3 was on board with the plan and T3 backed out than that Mo was trying to take a townie down with him. But idk how confirming the hood claim would actually help Mo clear himself at all

[Deimos27]

Nonetheless the best Mo can hope for after fakeclaiming a hood is a 1 for 1 and I don't see scum accepting that in the gamestate so I have to assume it was a one-sided attempt at coordination between scumpartners, no matter how strange

[Deimos27]

VOTE: T3 E-3
If this is scum I renounce any lingering GLB suspicions
Agree that Galron likely town due to Mo associatives

[Deimos27]

i was scum with grandpamo once and he just kept posting and posting so many words my eyes glazed over

Based on this game, it checks out

[Deimos27]

Attach me to something and I’ll use my vig shot or neighborizer someone

If the person with the attach ability can safely claim it we could try to control this vig shot. Unclear if it could be executed in a pro-town way given that scum likely has the tools to interfere if they are targeted.

[Deimos27]

deimos

y u no read day 2?

I was busy and now it's too many pages to be assed with. I saw a little bit of the beginning such as Titus asking for Clem reads because she was claiming a result on him

VOTE: Loftwing

Dats’ NK I think proves at least one scum in WB because Titus was confirmed tpr in main thread but Dats was only confitowned by NK15 in ours.

I dont understand this logic?
Are you implying there's no scum in EB? Also didnt you guys say GMo flipped scum? He was in WB no?
All this split that happened on day 3 is confusing me.

No of course I’m not saying no scum in EB but NK15 contowned Dats in WB and he was the NK flip posted in that pt, so logic suggests that scum likely had some way to have found out about this, because he wasn’t confitowned anywhere else but in WB.

Why can't that scum be Mo

[Deimos27]

all i want for christmas is to spend more time with deimos

You're in luck

[Deimos27]

all i want for christmas is to spend more time with deimos

You're in luck

im excited.
whats ur solve look like right now

I have no idea

[Deimos27]

I have not received anything

[Deimos27]

all i want for christmas is to spend more time with deimos

You're in luck

im excited.
whats ur solve look like right now

I have no idea

Too many people in the game still
Not Taly not Galron not Clemency-slot probably not CW
I'm sure I had thoughts on many players that I've just forgotten by now as well

[Deimos27]

all i want for christmas is to spend more time with deimos

You're in luck

im excited.
whats ur solve look like right now

I have no idea

disappointing.
okay who would u FOS today if ur gonna FOS someone

I am voting T3, I think the case there makes sense

[Deimos27]

Was someone speculating that Ydra is the attacher role?

[Deimos27]

idk i don't really care about roles.
deimos i think T3 is easy one. u don't have one other u want to focus?
What happened to ur paranoia on me

I remain sus of you and it doesn't inspire confidence when you announce that you don't believe your vote on me and are just doing it to pay a sheeping debt

T3 is easy for good reason

[Deimos27]

I think I could clear you if T3 flips red

[Deimos27]

I could see myself voting you if T3 flips green

[Deimos27]

if NK15 flips red. Do i become confirmed town lol

Oh yeah possibly then too
Your big push on them was before the Mo flip though right
When the gamestate was slightly better for bussing

[Deimos27]

where do i fit in this equation?

I tr you
Where do you think you should be fitting in?

[Deimos27]

Too many people in the game still

Lol demios and I are sharing a brain. I'm looking at all these people and roles and wondering how I'm going to keep it straight.

If I ever try to join a large again, particularly role madness, I want someone to come and personally slap some sense into me

[Deimos27]

His case on why datisi was town was bs and datisi called him on it.

This sounds like you're calling him for TMI can you give me a summary and/or point out the relevant posts/pages in WB for me to read

[Deimos27]

Its so frustrating if NK15 is town. Yet i think that is most likely.

You gave a lot of reasons for thinking he could still be scum so what are the reasons you're applying to conclude he's still most likely to be town

[Deimos27]

Its so frustrating if NK15 is town. Yet i think that is most likely.

You gave a lot of reasons for thinking he could still be scum so what are the reasons you're applying to conclude he's still most likely to be town

did u read my assumptions. what is more likely my assumptions that its a conspiracy against me or that this moron just thinks im scum and can't stop tunneling.

Ok. I don't think all your assumptions need to be true for NK to be scum though. It doesn't need to be a conspiracy, chainsaw defending Vic would be independently scummy, as would TMI'ing Datisi, and if he "got gmo based on a role discrepancy only" that would completely mitigate that towncase on him.

[Deimos27]

+GMo says his neighbour spoke to him at a time when D3 had started. NK confirms with mod that all hoods are closed. Taly confirmed earlier in the day that his hood was also closed.

This does seem to point towards NK15 being town yeah.

Ok yeah that's not quite what I envisioned when GLB said he got Mo on role discrepancy only. I thought that meant Mo's contradiction was obviously gonna be found out regardless of whether NK15 said anything.

[Deimos27]

Just to be clear. GMO was called out by NK15 who revealed information to all of us that his role meant that all PTs were closed.
Something GMO was likely unaware of.

This Would Make The Remaining Members Of The Hood Town Wouldn't It

What Did GMo Claim

Good
Point

[Deimos27]

Just to be clear. GMO was called out by NK15 who revealed information to all of us that his role meant that all PTs were closed.
Something GMO was likely unaware of.

This Would Make The Remaining Members Of The Hood Town Wouldn't It

What Did GMo Claim

Good
Point

As a hood member I was also able to contradict him, and promptly did so

[Deimos27]

Just to be clear. GMO was called out by NK15 who revealed information to all of us that his role meant that all PTs were closed.
Something GMO was likely unaware of.

Does this imply scum PT wasnt closed then? coz otherwise he would've been aware of that.

So NK actually role slipped himself he thought NO pts were open but then confirmed later that pts that existed on one side of the wall I.e. weren't divided, would still be open. So when GMo claimed T3 was buddy NK hesitated but didn't say anything until after hammer, which is why I'm not sure T3 is scum because just why?
~C

I never saw this claim from NK.
I didn't really understand why it makes T3 more likely to be town though

[Deimos27]

That's a lie, when did you contradict GMO?
~C

835, 836, 838

[Deimos27]

In 835 I was still being covert about the exact nature of the contradiction as I wasn't sure whether it was pro-town to reveal it to scum yet. In 838 I found out that NK had already spelled it out so I revealed it too

[Deimos27]

VOTE: Deimos
Also Dats was calling all kinds of bs on Deimos.
~C

As far as I recall he admitted he thought I was being genuine. If you're referring to the 1v1 we had where we disagreed about whether my scumtell on him was reliable at all.

[Deimos27]

Because why the hell would GMo Claim scum with a buddy and since GMo was claiming with someone in our pt it was obvious comms were happening on just one side. Also why would T3 counterclaim. I initially thought it was distancing from a botched plan but I think GMo was just insanely desperate lol.

If he was desperate it's more likely he claimed with a buddy under the misled belief that his buddy's corroboration could help clear him than that he claimed with a townie where the contradiction guarantees his demise. Unless you mean desperate to die rather than desperate to survive