Anything uPick (Endgame)

[GrandpaMo]

I doubt Visterene's PR is preventing them from playing the game.

But then again RC did include something more bastard than a super Janitor here, so Idk what to believe.

i wouldnt be suprised if loft is scum

[GrandpaMo]

this looks like such scum fence sitting

thats what i thought too lol

[GrandpaMo]

actually

VOTE: loft

i wanna see where this leads

[GrandpaMo]

this looks like such scum fence sitting

thats what i thought too lol

- m

can u actually stop now...


like it was all fun and joke shaha

but its rlly like getting frustrating...


can u play the game?

can u give us more than just 1 read..?

[GrandpaMo]

I doubt Visterene's PR is preventing them from playing the game.

But then again RC did include something more bastard than a super Janitor here, so Idk what to believe.

And, by playing the game, I don't mean helping others figure out their reason for why they can't. It seems like they are able to read and give read, but for some reason or other won't.

gosh

just please sstop


u sound like flailing scum

[GrandpaMo]

Personally I Think That The Proportionally Most Likely Combination Is Victorine Being: Loyal And GMo Being: A Traitor

I Do Not Have Much Experience With Either But GMo Feels More Like Trying To Reach Out To And Pocket A Loyal Subject Under Pressure Than Saving An Ally

what...? i lost u at combination

[GrandpaMo]

Honestly I thought SS was just really committed to replacing Queen and didn't think for a second it was actually a post restriction

What did you think of

GrandpaMo’s

post just before this one?

I think this is an exercise in theatre by scum!GrandpaMo to make scum!Victorine's post restriction more believable

I was so impressed by Mo cracking Victorine's roleplay that I did consider if it might be tmi (through scum PT)

i mean it was obvious lmfao...

like anyone that is playng that game that can deduce that

like who fucking puts

"-m" after each of the message not as a hydra...?

someone who is impersonating someone

[GrandpaMo]

also do u rlly think me and vic would be communicating that when i was on this thread 24/7 trolling just to be like to vic to post lol

when in the end just to change from pocketing to scumreading vic? as what S_S said?

[GrandpaMo]

I doubt Visterene's PR is preventing them from playing the game.

But then again RC did include something more bastard than a super Janitor here, so Idk what to believe.

And, by playing the game, I don't mean helping others figure out their reason for why they can't. It seems like they are able to read and give read, but for some reason or other won't.

gosh

just please sstop


u sound like flailing scum

There is more space in your message then there is in a Lays chip bag.

there is more filler content in your iso then there are reads

ohhhhhhhhh roasted

[GrandpaMo]

Okay, you figured it out. I am not mastina. I am pretending I am her.

???

can you just stop

omg im so tired of ppl this game

[GrandpaMo]

lol i could care less about vic.

lmfao

all that shit and that energy is fake to me. i just wanted to have fun while exectuing it

can we now vote or what

VOTE: victorine

I doubt Visterene's PR is preventing them from playing the game.

But then again RC did include something more bastard than a super Janitor here, so Idk what to believe.

i wouldnt be suprised if loft is scum

actually

VOTE: loft

i wanna see where this leads

yes @diemos

[GrandpaMo]

I doubt Visterene's PR is preventing them from playing the game.

But then again RC did include something more bastard than a super Janitor here, so Idk what to believe.

And, by playing the game, I don't mean helping others figure out their reason for why they can't. It seems like they are able to read and give read, but for some reason or other won't.

gosh

just please sstop


u sound like flailing scum

There is more space in your message then there is in a Lays chip bag.

there is more filler content in your iso then there are reads

ohhhhhhhhh roasted

Each time you post, the filler content of this game goes up.

??

bro are u good..?

this reactions is kinda weak.

can you give me your reads?

[GrandpaMo]

-Why did Yume suddenly start signing every post with M having done that on exactly one other post, along with also having signed as "Big bad wold" and "Red" previously, at a time when GrandpaMo decided to push the agenda that Yume's post restriction was to imitate Mastina?
-Why does GMo ignore Post 2161 while attempting to determine Yume's post restriction?
-This is exactly the kind of poorly thought out nonsense I would expect from scum!Yume to justify demonstrably false claims based on what has happened when Yume has been caught in a lie in the past
-GMo really pushed that agenda HARD there. Like damn, there were some serious leaps of logic to get to that conclusion and then he left it open with the obvious "Mastina" answer for me and/or Fire to answer for him so he doesn't seem completely batshit insane.

Conclusion- A pair of bad actors reading a bad script

1 yume had - m in there posts mostly all the time right after the long posts. its not that hard to follow right after deducing their iso?
2. yume says "I was supposed to be Janja, but RC misread my intentions, so this is me pretending to be him while upholding my restriction at the same time.
"

they WERE supposed to be janja that means they are someone else in the present tense -- therfore that concludes that my statement is still valid. yume only had to pretend like Janja, because the person thhey got (mastina) was the person they didnt want. common sense if u know grammar.

3. im scumreading yume.
4. again im scumreading yume. why does scum!me follow that line of logic just to get yume to out and pocket yume just to switch right back RIGHT before any of yall said anything, scumreading them.

[GrandpaMo]

Conclusion- A pair of bad actors reading a bad script

Big If True

Who Do You Think Wrote The Script Though

Inevitably it is a combination of Yume and GMo

also there is literally no possible for me or yume to do that from the time they were online.

this point can be easily debunked if u look at our posting times and instant replies (specifically me)

[GrandpaMo]

-Why did Yume suddenly start signing every post with M having done that on exactly one other post, along with also having signed as "Big bad wold" and "Red" previously, at a time when GrandpaMo decided to push the agenda that Yume's post restriction was to imitate Mastina?

I know this one!
Mastina was working on a comic a WHILE back about a character called “little red rider” iirc

oh yea also that ^

[GrandpaMo]

-Why did Yume suddenly start signing every post with M having done that on exactly one other post, along with also having signed as "Big bad wold" and "Red" previously, at a time when GrandpaMo decided to push the agenda that Yume's post restriction was to imitate Mastina?
-Why does GMo ignore Post 2161 while attempting to determine Yume's post restriction?
-This is exactly the kind of poorly thought out nonsense I would expect from scum!Yume to justify demonstrably false claims based on what has happened when Yume has been caught in a lie in the past
-GMo really pushed that agenda HARD there. Like damn, there were some serious leaps of logic to get to that conclusion and then he left it open with the obvious "Mastina" answer for me and/or Fire to answer for him so he doesn't seem completely batshit insane.

Conclusion- A pair of bad actors reading a bad script

Guys wanna wagon jjh after all

-Why did Yume suddenly start signing every post with M having done that on exactly one other post, along with also having signed as "Big bad wold" and "Red" previously, at a time when GrandpaMo decided to push the agenda that Yume's post restriction was to imitate Mastina?
-Why does GMo ignore Post 2161 while attempting to determine Yume's post restriction?
-This is exactly the kind of poorly thought out nonsense I would expect from scum!Yume to justify demonstrably false claims based on what has happened when Yume has been caught in a lie in the past
-GMo really pushed that agenda HARD there. Like damn, there were some serious leaps of logic to get to that conclusion and then he left it open with the obvious "Mastina" answer for me and/or Fire to answer for him so he doesn't seem completely batshit insane.

Conclusion- A pair of bad actors reading a bad script

Guys wanna wagon jjh after all

jjh might be town for this shitty push

i dont really see where he is going for this

all your points // reasonings are weak. It's just you happen to get me and vic at a good moment.

i just had fun in my times. i dont regret anything i did.

[GrandpaMo]

Also, what's the penalty if you don't meet the restriction?

Losing my night ability.

whats ur night ability

[GrandpaMo]

Lol, jjh is immortal.

do u have tmi that he is?

[GrandpaMo]

loftwing rlly looks bad here.

loftwing / vic / clem /

sakura is out of my poe

ratmans still in it

[GrandpaMo]

Or to put it this way: if I guess a player's flavor correctly, I get a reward. Just like in those old 'prize catching games' at carnivals.

Scum role
VOTE: victorine

That was the sweetest prod I've ever received I'm sorry RC.

Sakura Hana/Titus/Ircher/Galron/~

has a nice ring to it.

I lean on at least 2 scum being in this group.

take me out of that poe or I will dice your beak with a razor blade

why da fuck do all the lhf come back at the same time .

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: jjh

LMFAO

[GrandpaMo]

Taly why is Sakura in your poe.

Also is Gamma still the top wagon?

no u are

[GrandpaMo]

why is

sakura

not in people's PoE is the better question

they claimed

i changed my opinion of them

after someone pointout their claim

[GrandpaMo]

So my flavor is Sanae Kochiya.
I gather faith everytime a townie dies they can choose to pray for me, and at certain tresholds different things happen.
At 3 faith I become loved for the rest of the game except on XLo
At 5 faith I get a 1S parity cop
At 7 faith I get a Triple Unstoppable Role cop
At 10 faith I get a 2S disloyal vig shots
At 13 faith I can leave the game and the mod will tell me the full scum team and I can strongman vig one of them.

Now with this im pretty sure scum will kill me... specially before the 10 faith treshold, but it's better than having to figure out how to use this role and avoid the NK at the same time.

^

[GrandpaMo]

Blank Space
Is there a list of the roleclaims?

loft is supposedly miller

and vic is suppsoedly a guesse rewarder type shit

[GrandpaMo]

also i softed my flavor multiple times lol

[GrandpaMo]

i fucking love this game

you are so fucking town its crazy

LMFAO

u really remind me of rn

[GrandpaMo]

That sounds exactly like something I would do.
What's people's case on Taly btw?

Uh, there isn't one???

Then why is Taly's wagon second to mine

i love how i said u were the leading wagon and instantly believed it lol

[GrandpaMo]

doesnt mafia have way more liability to bus vic now?

fwiw -- its way better just to take the equity of bussing vic rn since vic is in a shitty spot and there is atleast one person in the mafia scum pt that has approached the idea of bussing/...

[GrandpaMo]

Or to put it this way: if I guess a player's flavor correctly, I get a reward. Just like in those old 'prize catching games' at carnivals.

Mo did in fact request this, but that doesn't really mean she was obligated to answer such a rolefishing question, yet she did so after all.

what..? what did i equest

[GrandpaMo]

You asked her what her night ability was. @Mo

ah i see

i actually didnt expect them to answer LOL

im suprised they did tho

i do kinda agree with t3 on it being on a sorta of a scumclaim

i kinda have confbias tho after our little stinky interaction earlier

[GrandpaMo]

i can feel the heat coming omg

this is gonna be insane

also does anyone see firebringer / ircher / jhhh as one possible scum between this?

[GrandpaMo]

ok time for rp to set the scene

gpamo, the surgeon puts firebringer on the operating table.

nurses ircher and jjh assist mo

i ask for a 2inch blade

ircher gives me the 3 inch suggesting its better (secretly they want to kill firebringer)
jjh suggest the 1 inch (because they think the 2 inch will kill them)

they start fighting... next thing u realize the patient dies...

Firebringer flips

1- shot town aligned compulsive triggered publishing role-cop

[GrandpaMo]

Back to the GMo-Vic attempt at solidifying Victorine's faked post restriction into something less obviously faked, I should probably go quote the post that really set me off

Okay we know you are there now Yume

Don't run away from us again

I haven't forgotten your me-catching skills, by the way.

Cool- are you willing to state any reads

JJ...

Vic is giving you a hint.

Vic is a player that knows you.

Think.

It is also a layer that knows Firebringer.

HOW do you make this link? How does anyone see 3429 and make the conclusion that Yume was giving me a hint with that post?

BECYAS ETHEY LITERALLY SAY "I havent forgotten your me catching skills" that IMPLIES THAT THEY WERE HINTING AT A PLAYER THAT KNOWS U DUH!

[GrandpaMo]

ew i sound cirnge. pls disregard my last post sorry.

[GrandpaMo]

omg is ircher's defense of vic actually real

[GrandpaMo]

I mean, I got there because GMo seemed to be interpreting things in a really leapy way

I'll clarify.

I do suppose the interaction was very slightly +equity for Mo being informed about Victorine's flavour, but I didn't buy your firm confidence in that associative, nor the reasoning behind it that Mo's intent would have been some intricate plan to get everyone to believe the post restriction.

Because (a) no one was ever gonna believe the post restriction anyway; that ship sailed 100 pages ago
And (b) what is the scum motivation exactly? If people magically did believe the post restriction how would that actually have justified Victorine's previous failure to try to work around the post restriction and try to any degree to participate in the game? What reason did scum have to think establishing the truth of a Victorine post restriction would result in Victorine tr's?

Let me know if I'm entirely misunderstanding your case

If you'd

only

said the "Mo seems to be interpreting things in a really leapy way, I don't get how they arrived at their inference of the flavour claim, it looks informed" bit, then I would've been like "yeah, ig I can kinda see the slight +equity for those two having a PT" (slight because it is also mitigated by Mo's decision shortly thereafter to bus Vic, what's the point)

Your reasoning was what was bizarre to me

But it's ok I came around you might be town for it regardless

scum!me would have hard defended vic just like in open 810

LOL and then used the wifom shit out of that defense after runniing the wagon on vic

u should really check out that game. i somehow won

[GrandpaMo]

lol i could care less about vic.

lmfao

all that shit and that energy is fake to me. i just wanted to have fun while exectuing it

can we now vote or what

VOTE: victorine

I doubt Visterene's PR is preventing them from playing the game.

But then again RC did include something more bastard than a super Janitor here, so Idk what to believe.

i wouldnt be suprised if loft is scum

actually

VOTE: loft

i wanna see where this leads

yes @diemos

Wait no I misunderstood this timeline Mo's vote on Vic was a million years ago
What was quoting these supposed to establish

u told me if i was scumreading vic i said yes

[GrandpaMo]

Victorine Are You Allowed To Explain Your Post Restriction In Detail Or Is That Part Of The Restriction

I am required to post 1000 or more words 5 times per game day.

Also, I'm going to point out that while I think Victorine has in fact by this point met this requirement (if quotes and spoilered stuff count), it doesn't appear to me that she has actually been actively trying to stay true to this. What I mean is that given her night ability depends on her meeting her post restriction, I would feel scum!her would be more incentivized to actually fulfill the requirement.

OK that one I was thinking too.
UNVOTE:
~C

there is a fallacy in this arguement tho...

we dont know what vic's real role is so we don't know if that post restriction is fully true meaning that she may have a different post restriion vs what she said.

[GrandpaMo]

ok rc

im ready to use my day vig shot


my kill phrase

my shrine, my lover, i call upon to shoot whomever i please to call

eenie meeni my name is mo, and im ready to shoot your ***!

shoot: Ircher

[GrandpaMo]

ircher is doing terrible at derailing. good correction deimos. gold star

Yeah I mean I'm really not convinced
I see this level of hard defense from scum all the time on their TMIs
Often the thought behind it is really not that deep
It's just "I could protect this townie and it could either pocket them or hopefully get big towncred" without much nuance

And in this case Ircher is very widely scumread they don't have good reason to think their word would have weight

anyway

or be like me where i hard defended my scum partner in open 810

kek and that player was being bussed

[GrandpaMo]

ircher what were u?

[GrandpaMo]

Coinci-not.

what were u

[GrandpaMo]

hm.

okay.

[GrandpaMo]

^

[GrandpaMo]

I highly doubt Mo would fake such a weird trigger sentence for their vig
If they were reaction testing they'd go for believable

deimos... u probably havent played with me...


im capable of everything and ANYTHING

[GrandpaMo]

waoh wait

[GrandpaMo]

why deimos and taly scum?>

[GrandpaMo]

why deimos and taly scum?>

Real good question there

I'd probably ask them one at a time so you've taken the efficient route too

omg stop disappearing @ircher

[GrandpaMo]

omg stop disappearing @ircher

Stop being impatient.

im sorry

its just i shot u

and rc could come back any time now

[GrandpaMo]

it was a reaction test.

hm -- giving deimos and taly as scum... would scum do that probably not?

but there is a possiblew theory where he had to choose deimos and taly as scum because all the other people are teammates and therefore making deimos and taly town

[GrandpaMo]

it was bold for sure... dk how to feel bout that

[GrandpaMo]

why does scum put themselves out in the open like that by casing deimos and taly (people who were townread by maj of ppl) and push unpushable ppl...

ig u can aruge that those were their last person choices since they were "dying"

and wanted to trick town

[GrandpaMo]

i kinda didnlt like it either. and i do agree with u deimos .

but them being gone rn is just making it worse and worse

[GrandpaMo]

i also didnt like their response to when i asked bout rring.

[GrandpaMo]

why does scum put themselves out in the open like that by casing deimos

I quite clearly didn't case Deimos.

in my deifntion, it means you had them as a scumread.

which you did.

[GrandpaMo]

anwyays, thats irrelevant to anything.

now is loftwing worse than ircher

[GrandpaMo]

anwyays, thats irrelevant to anything.

now is loftwing worse than ircher

Well is he? You tell me.

idk are you town.

lol

imagine thinking my shot is actually fake get rekt nub

[GrandpaMo]

I am town if and only if I am not town.

is this a scum claim..?

[GrandpaMo]

this is how i see it.

ircher = scum = vic being town becuase ircher has tmi for vic to be town
ircher = town = vic being town because ircher has tmi (pr) for vic to be town


if you flip vic
vic = scum = ircher being scum due to defense
vic = town = ircher being scum due to having tmi

in the case that vic is scum, its 1/4
in the case that ircher is scum, 3/4


i see more worlds where ircher is scum

[GrandpaMo]

If Ircher is town then I would lock in Vic assuming Irchers role is somewhat informed about Vics role.

I will be clear here: I do not have a mechanical reason to believe Victorine is town.

@Mo Did you try working out the logic?

yes i have. ur logic only works if what vic is claiming is to be true.

[GrandpaMo]

Conclusion- A pair of bad actors reading a bad script

this also feels like a good post

i want to say jjh is townie but i have no idea what his scumgame actually is like so i am a but paranoia there

jjh, you said esrlier you townread me, i think? why is that?

I mean, you're one of the players who is making the most effort to place others in this game. You're asking a lot of questions and responding to the answers. You are playing a very towny game, and this is all aside from the little back and forth between me, you, and gamma that was my primary means of placing you

what is this post??

[GrandpaMo]

i read the remaining 10 pages and i got nothing from them

why did i join a large

all u do is complain...

just read and find reads -- ur contribution helps a lot

[GrandpaMo]

i have reads. you pretending that i don't is a different matter.

then please feel free to discuss.

you're pretending like we have 18 days.

[GrandpaMo]

ok back .

im curiousa on what the vc is

so i hope rc can do his job later

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: gypyx
I’m not rlly confident about this but his post responding to me having him in my rando solve was just, bad. Definitely don’t like him trying to sow paranoia with me.

I am gaining confidence while approaching end of day reads

you're anticipating the end?

[GrandpaMo]

gmo if you were scum trying trying pocket me how would you do it

i would hard scumpush u for some petty shit then i would call u tstbs

then be like ok ur town then u would just agree with me LMAO

vs me just calling u town

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: ircher

fuck it . im anticipating the end. both players are equally as scummy. im not gonna go into a last ditch effort onto someone who hasn't played the game.

therfore gypyx should be thoroughly read some other time.

anyways

[GrandpaMo]

just trust me ive played with gypyx before and low inacitvty is nai

this mf always posts everywhere else but their actual games

[GrandpaMo]

-Why did Yume suddenly start signing every post with M having done that on exactly one other post, along with also having signed as "Big bad wold" and "Red" previously, at a time when GrandpaMo decided to push the agenda that Yume's post restriction was to imitate Mastina?

I know this one!
Mastina was working on a comic a WHILE back about a character called “little red rider” iirc

oh yea also that ^

was there a way for gmo to be aware of this? because i didn't know that. so the tmi idea might actually hold more weight than i first thought

i see gmo is ignoring this so i will requote it.

i didnt see this lol

and yea i did but that wasn't my initial reason ( i had forgotten about that till gamma brought it up). in fact, it was jjh who said "mastina" before me .. i was thinking it could have been mastina but i wasn't too sure... i just knew they were imitiating a player because of all the clues vic gave. it's really not that hard to get, even jjh aadmits that.

[GrandpaMo]

I think the obvious answer to 3464 was Mastina, yes. I think the fact you made post 3464 was an incredible leap and the only reason you wouldn't immediately suggest it was Mastina, probably in the same post as your bizarre conclusion in 3464, was because you wanted me or Fire to give the answer so you didn't seem quite so TMI

what ???

first -- there you go! this is proof to datisi that JJh had suggested it ws matina way before me.

second -- yes, i do admit, I was thinking about mastina at that time as a possible subject and that's only because I brought up mastina way before as a joke when i was reading their articles and wanted to make sum funny shit to firebringer.

third -- the only reason i pressured you with this line of reasoning was to see if i can see your possible scum equity with vic. why do you think i wanted to make it obvious -- but at the time, i wasn't really sure. but i still pushed the reasoning that it was whoever it is with the critera listed below

"

- Player that starts with the letter M
- Player that knows JJh
- Player that knows Firebringer
- Player that knows Yume

"

this is what i said!

this is all info that can be readily avaialbe to anyone. this person kept doing - m in the end of their posts depciting they had another persona of some sort just like someone of a hydra would. also it was confirmed after having those thoughts in post 3448. player that knows jjh >>> due to the fact of an assumption based on post 3439. player that knows firebringer >>> post 2478 also side interaction, but that post implies that vic had prior knowledge of firebringer's metaeither on yume or the mastina persona. player that knows yume >>> yume chose this player becuase yume knows this player. why does someone send a flavor to rc not knowing what the hell they are.

[GrandpaMo]

GMo

I got bored and decided to read some of mastina's games off the wiki then found a game firebringer was in...

then I decided to just fuck with firebringer till they realize lol

Why were you reading Mastina's games

i thought i answered this. if not, i was just searching on the forum , specifically looking at large theme games similar to this to see how it really works in long term retrospect (since i was getting bored)

>>> then one of the games, which i believe is still ongoing so i won't talk about it (you can probably guess which one is ), and i happen to see mastina's name and wanted to see what their wikipage looked like therefore clicked on there profile >> then clicked on the wikipage buttton . but i got sidetracked and started actually reading the wiki (which i never do) then i moved to the "played games" tab where i actually pointed out the defcon gaame where i found out the game, the defcon 4.0 and saw that ircher and firebringer was in it so i deicded to have fun by copying pasting mastina's quotes into this game

that's really it nun much to it

[GrandpaMo]

learned a lot tho lmfao

[GrandpaMo]

A lot of GMO feels like double-speak

no double speak.

just many people can't comprehend what i say sometimes due to the word semantics and syntax i do.

this is not just this game but mostly all my games so far (look at my meta for more info)

if you need sum to be explained feel free to ask

[GrandpaMo]

@Mo I understand the connection to everyone but FB. What in Vic’s posts references Fire?

Also @jjh if it is in fact tmi, if V were to flip town, what tmi could that possibly be then?

I think the obvious answer to 3464 was Mastina, yes. I think the fact you made post 3464 was an incredible leap and the only reason you wouldn't immediately suggest it was Mastina, probably in the same post as your bizarre conclusion in 3464, was because you wanted me or Fire to give the answer so you didn't seem quite so TMI

what ???

first -- there you go! this is proof to datisi that JJh had suggested it ws matina way before me.

second -- yes, i do admit, I was thinking about mastina at that time as a possible subject and that's only because I brought up mastina way before as a joke when i was reading their articles and wanted to make sum funny shit to firebringer.

third -- the only reason i pressured you with this line of reasoning was to see if i can see your possible scum equity with vic. why do you think i wanted to make it obvious -- but at the time, i wasn't really sure. but i still pushed the reasoning that it was whoever it is with the critera listed below

"

- Player that starts with the letter M
- Player that knows JJh
- Player that knows Firebringer
- Player that knows Yume

"

this is what i said!

this is all info that can be readily avaialbe to anyone. this person kept doing - m in the end of their posts depciting they had another persona of some sort just like someone of a hydra would. also it was confirmed after having those thoughts in post 3448. player that knows jjh >>> due to the fact of an assumption based on post 3439. player that knows firebringer >>>

post 2478 also side interaction, but that post implies that vic had prior knowledge of firebringer's metaeither on yume or the mastina persona.

player that knows yume >>> yume chose this player becuase yume knows this player. why does someone send a flavor to rc not knowing what the hell they are.

[GrandpaMo]

Does it even really matter? Who cares who Victorine is? How does that advance the game?

thats what i was thinking as well

jjh hanging on this is kinda annoying >> i already have made my conclusion about vic and i scumread them and willing to vote them.

>>> if they flip red, woohoo, go into day 2 nd decide if i had tmi or not
>>> if they flip town, woohoo go into day 2 not knowing what the fuck to do only to get ur ass fucked

[GrandpaMo]

Does it even really matter? Who cares who Victorine is? How does that advance the game?

Do You Mean Their Main Or Their Flavor

Both Seem Relevant To Understanding Their Play

imo, i mean it in the sense of the flavor.

it doesn't advance the game at all. galron is right here.

to understand vic's as a player, does and we advance with that information.

[GrandpaMo]

i think...


i have this theory

there is a fine line

between vic and ircher...

and the people around them

i feel like mafia is bussing one

or maybe both.


both of the mafia is ircher and vic


and mafia is in a shitty poisition tryna escape by trying to set up a lim on me

[GrandpaMo]

nvm disregard that theory anways rat why r u town

[GrandpaMo]

I think the obvious answer to 3464 was Mastina, yes. I think the fact you made post 3464 was an incredible leap and the only reason you wouldn't immediately suggest it was Mastina, probably in the same post as your bizarre conclusion in 3464, was because you wanted me or Fire to give the answer so you didn't seem quite so TMI

what ???

first -- there you go! this is proof to datisi that JJh had suggested it ws matina way before me.

second -- yes, i do admit, I was thinking about mastina at that time as a possible subject and that's only because I brought up mastina way before as a joke when i was reading their articles and wanted to make sum funny shit to firebringer.

third -- the only reason i pressured you with this line of reasoning was to see if i can see your possible scum equity with vic. why do you think i wanted to make it obvious -- but at the time, i wasn't really sure. but i still pushed the reasoning that it was whoever it is with the critera listed below

"

- Player that starts with the letter M
- Player that knows JJh
- Player that knows Firebringer
- Player that knows Yume

"

this is what i said!

this is all info that can be readily avaialbe to anyone. this person kept doing - m in the end of their posts depciting they had another persona of some sort just like someone of a hydra would. also it was confirmed after having those thoughts in post 3448. player that knows jjh >>> due to the fact of an assumption based on post 3439. player that knows firebringer >>> post 2478 also side interaction, but that post implies that vic had prior knowledge of firebringer's metaeither on yume or the mastina persona. player that knows yume >>> yume chose this player becuase yume knows this player. why does someone send a flavor to rc not knowing what the hell they are.

Why did you jump to the conclusion that Yume mentioning a player meant that they knew the player whose flavour she was?

who wouldn't...?

for example, if i be like

"hey radianctcowbells knows my meta"

that implies that RC knows me and that I know him because he had interactions with me in the past that makes him to KNOW my meta due to what i said.

as for what yume said

"I haven't forgotten your me-catching skills, by the way."

wouldn't you make the same assumption

yume states that she hasn't froggten about ur skills... that means she had prior knowledge of playing with you OR to the assumption i was making since I already had correlated yume with playing a persona, that "mastina" had prior knwoedlge of playing with you because she hasn't "frogotten" bout ur skills which is gathered thru prior expierence and meta.

is this not obvious... ?

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa seems to get defensive when his motives are in question. His biggest posts are those explaining his actions.
~C

thats my town meta !

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa seems to get defensive when his motives are in question. His biggest posts are those explaining his actions.
~C

thats my town meta !

and sorta false. i make other big posts that contain my reads etc.

i was gonna later explain my readlist.

also something to debunk that whole theory is the amount of space i use while writing LOL thats rlly the only reason its that big

[GrandpaMo]

Okay but that pretty obviously refers to me being able to catch Yume and isn't some cryptic clue

there you go .. you said it yourself.

i already had a confirmation bias knowing it had to be a player....

therefore LIKE I SAID PREVIOSULY i correalted that info with the that post and disregarded the persona of yume but the persona of another person

do u not understand.

[GrandpaMo]

Okay but that pretty obviously refers to me being able to catch Yume and isn't some cryptic clue

there you go .. you said it yourself.

i already had a confirmation bias knowing it had to be a player....

therefore LIKE I SAID PREVIOSULY i correalted that info with the that post and disregarded the persona of yume but the persona of another person

do u not understand.

that is a very IMPLICIT bias assumption to make only if you are under the influence of a town trying to figure out shit ...

also me being in an already state of concious mind of that previous data that i talked to u bout

[GrandpaMo]

also @cheeky,

i just realize my town meta rlly consists of me being only defensive when i get annoyed / frustrated with logic that is repetitive + easily to be debunked such as in jjh's case

i get defensive in my scum meta only if someone pushes me after holding a townread on me.

[GrandpaMo]

this is why you're town jjh.

ain't know scum is making obvious incomprehendible posts just to deliberaly go back and bewilder me.

makes no ssense for scum to keep nagging about the topic after being told to.

aint no way.

now listen, why weren't you so certain on vic?

did you see a possible reason of vic!town?

[GrandpaMo]

I've been in several moods today

And now it's like "well shit what do I do now"

same lmfao

[GrandpaMo]

3 days and 23 hours

[GrandpaMo]

I've been in several moods today

And now it's like "well shit what do I do now"

At this point I’m getting increasingly bored and frustrated with this game and almost want to say wake me up when something interesting happens, because unless some dramatic smoking gun were to happen, I think Ircher/Vic currently look like the best wagons but feel currently better about Vic today than Ircher, so I guess I’ll just keep rechecking to see if anything changes I guess.

How much time do we have left now?

same

i think ppl who feel this way are +town

[GrandpaMo]

I've been in several moods today

And now it's like "well shit what do I do now"

same lmfao

why are we so similar oof

why do u think im townreading u but also keeping u in that possible -- deep wolf spot just because if u have this same capability of me to being similar town then you echoing this could be ur possible strat to in fact to pocket me or use me

[GrandpaMo]

No because it would get ignored.

yea atp this is scum...

this is scum being self defeated

[GrandpaMo]

I've been in several moods today

And now it's like "well shit what do I do now"

At this point I’m getting increasingly bored and frustrated with this game and almost want to say wake me up when something interesting happens, because unless some dramatic smoking gun were to happen, I think Ircher/Vic currently look like the best wagons but feel currently better about Vic today than Ircher, so I guess I’ll just keep rechecking to see if anything changes I guess.

How much time do we have left now?

same

i think ppl who feel this way are +town

Say what. How so?

How in any way is that AI

town is way more likely to get agigateed at the game state when its getting "boring' due to the fact that said townsperson has been in an active state of trying to scumhunt but since there is no activity at this point -- said townperson wants the game to hurry up or something to happen.

scum is more likely to not cause this type of commotion that would get that specific attention... they would rather let stuff happen instead speaking about stuff not happening

[GrandpaMo]

Taly's intentionally fragment reads

Taly-CW-GLB
GMO-jjh-Gamma (deepwolf possible)
Rat-Titus-Deimos
Ydra-Sakura-Dats
SS-Clem-T3
Gypyx-Galron
Vic-Ircher-Loftwing

Sakura/SS/Galron can all easily switch spots but I don't want to lim them

Gamma deep wolf possbile?

More so the other 2 but I don't think I can dispel the doubt this phase

i see how we both label each other as possible deepwolfs lmfao

i actually find that hilarious...

[GrandpaMo]

More so the other 2 but I don't think I can dispel the doubt this phase

That's fine but what has he done or said to deserve that label?

what's the point of this question... u seem like u got offended when taly read someone like this >> specifically jjh

[GrandpaMo]

Vic + Mo is not impossible but if the main reason to vote Vic at this point is an associative with Mo and I otherwise tr Mo then that sounds very dumb

when did vic / me

ever come about

jjh's was just being a little slow because other ppl can def back me up nd say that they would have probably made the same conclusions

i dont think jjh was implying that

he was just saying i had tmi of vic's role either because I am scum because I am partners with vic or i am pr / scum pr that is informed that has info on vic's role

which many people just assumed jjh was thinking me / vic is alligned. lol

even tho i want vic dead instead of ircher

[GrandpaMo]

I think Dannflor is a deepwolf here.

stop exposing my alt

[GrandpaMo]

there is no hammer lol

[GrandpaMo]

OMG FINALLY holy shit this took a long ass time.

im really anticipating this flip.

this will give us a lot of info imo.

ircher not being here at hammer >> usually implies being scum (from my expierence)

-- now ircher can u rr

[GrandpaMo]

looks like it.

on one hand i feel like that's a shitty yeet, on the other i am kinda glad this hell of d1 is finally over.

no its not???

this gives us info regardless.

[GrandpaMo]

there is a reason why that question was aimed at gmo.

dw i have a different answer regardless

[GrandpaMo]

this gives us info regardless.

what info do we get if he flips green. what info do we get if he flips red.

he flips red >> vic is now a prime suspect >> people probably who have investiagte power roles during the night can now carefully plan their night choices on who to check by looking at interactions with ircher and the people he endorsed.

he flips green >> start looking at the initial wagon >> look at motives and reasons for each player's basis on who was voting >> people who started hopping on the wagon later on with no reason this includes people who were not talking for example t3's hammer, ydrasse, gypyx etc

he flips green >> prs start looking at info from vic's perspective >> vic's associates by scumhunting is investigated >> gives us more info for day 2

[GrandpaMo]

this gives us info regardless.

what info do we get if he flips green. what info do we get if he flips red.

If red, plenty no? If green, we can hopefully find answers in doing VCA.

vote counts won't really give us that much info.


since this is a upick and large game >>> we have to rely on power role info

this is role madness after all and everyone in this game probably has some type of utlity based role regardless of allignment and therefore creates a more admersive environment day 2 after night ends

[GrandpaMo]

i haven’t read this game seriously like at all idk what irchers posted his vibes were bad way back

it brings the question should those who didn't read the game should be punsihed vs those who did read the game but is scumread thru their given reads

[GrandpaMo]

also its interesting that ircher is voting ratmans hmmm .

i hope ur aint lurking ircher and can at least give us legacy reads

[GrandpaMo]

If green, we can hopefully find answers in doing VCA.

*Shudders*

Wagon analysis can be useful sometimes.

wagon analysis is difffernt than vc analysis tho

[GrandpaMo]

If green, we can hopefully find answers in doing VCA.

*Shudders*

Wagon analysis can be useful sometimes.

also its interesting that ircher is voting ratmans hmmm .

i hope ur aint lurking ircher and can at least give us legacy reads

He called him scum but never gave any reasons and he also never answered why he was willing to die > Vic.

lol but he gave good townreads for vic??

[GrandpaMo]

If green, we can hopefully find answers in doing VCA.

*Shudders*

Wagon analysis can be useful sometimes.

wagon analysis is difffernt than vc analysis tho

How?

wagon analysis is where you look at the specific wagon that happened and look at everyone's vote around that hammer >>

"i wanna do a wagon analysis on ircher' would mean that u will look at everyone's reasons and interactions around voting ircher.

vote count analysis is where you look at the whole votecount it self and see why is everyone voting the person they are and how that has in relation to the game

"i wanna do a votecount analysis" would mean that you will look at everyone's votes and see where everyone is placed where you would make assumptions and conclusions bout certain stuff >>> generating u associative reads etc

[GrandpaMo]

Ircher has gone up in likelihood of being town after the supersaint claim

hell nah

this is flipping scum...

i think i have a theory but ill save that day 2 if im alive.

[GrandpaMo]

because its not relevant till the flip happens.

no one said this thought and its interesting that someone is probably not thinking bout it..

but i hope someone is and its bout jjh

[GrandpaMo]

Oh boy I think we're ending day 1 with 4 dead town

I don't like reading this before flips :X

Ircher has gone up in likelihood of being town after the supersaint claim
and T3 is highly likely to be town

Can you reexplsin that Vic/Gmo S/s read and if you still feel it, why vote Gypyx?

go look at what i said ...

they never saw me s/s with vic

[GrandpaMo]

Vic + Mo is not impossible but if the main reason to vote Vic at this point is an associative with Mo and I otherwise tr Mo then that sounds very dumb

when did vic / me

ever come about

jjh's was just being a little slow because other ppl can def back me up nd say that they would have probably made the same conclusions

i dont think jjh was implying that

he was just saying i had tmi of vic's role either because I am scum because I am partners with vic or i am pr / scum pr that is informed that has info on vic's role

which many people just assumed jjh was thinking me / vic is alligned. lol

even tho i want vic dead instead of ircher

look at this quote

[GrandpaMo]

Oh boy I think we're ending day 1 with 4 dead town

uh how did u come up with this conclusion

if ircher claims to be what he is to be

then it would just be 2 people

ur confidence level that both t3 and ircher is town

is kinda weird.

[GrandpaMo]

and T3 is highly likely to be town

why

I agree with jjh, T3 was one of my most confident trs. I personally hate the SS role, I think venge is alot better. I was SS bomb in a previous RC uPick and it never got used. My flavour in that game was barrel of claustrophobic flying monkeys.

ss just needs to be played right.

a town person should have claimed this.

it was a negative utlity role that ccould have been used to its advantage

[GrandpaMo]

I don't know if I should pry more or shelve this.

look at 4626

[GrandpaMo]

But even if you want Vic dead that's not a reply to the assertion you TMI'd her role.

???

that has nothing to do wit that quote.

i already aexplained to jjh and jjh stood silent because he knew i was right at the end.

i already explained this and we already had a full on discussion go look at my iso

[GrandpaMo]

It does because I don't think you wanting Vic dead and knowing her role are mutually exclusive statements.

But you don't have to answer me.

n im saying what u quoted of me was answering a diff question! duh!

[GrandpaMo]

Actually I do still think GMo and Vic are aligned

I don't think it's worth me continuing to push the issue because nobody else seems to see what I do there

don't be scared because you're wrong.

you have continued to use this sentinment against you and i expect you to uphold it for later discussion.

there is no reason for you to continue this talk if i have literally debunked all of ur points lol

[GrandpaMo]

Oh boy I think we're ending day 1 with 4 dead town

uh how did u come up with this conclusion

if ircher claims to be what he is to be

then it would just be 2 people

ur confidence level that both t3 and ircher is town

is kinda weird.

There are already 2 town dead

If Ircher is what he claims to be then T3 is also dead, and I think T3 is town. You didn't question this in my reads before. I would ask why you are questioning it now, but I think it's because you want to paint this as TMI when in fact it's a perfectly reasonable conclusion for me that both are town

i forgot about the two ppl dead in the beginning.

and i did question it >>> u just happened to bring it up now and since ircher is dead u kept repeatring this subective matter on how oh ircher is town blah blah

that's why i didn't push it then and pushed it now because u kept bringing it up. and no i haven't said that. again ur just fucking assuming and its kinda getting eh to the point where like aye yo r u doing this on purpose? just throwing my shit out of context? you are being a fucking hypocrite.

[GrandpaMo]

Like, your "debunk" of how unnatural it was to assume that Yume was hinting that her flavour was a player that knew both me and Firebringer, for example

U LITERALY SAID "MASTINA" BEFORE I SAID HER NAME AND GUESSED IT

LOOK AT POST 3468

LOOK AT THE FULL INTERAACTION ON PAGE 139 - 140! if u want to anlyaze mroe

[GrandpaMo]

I don't think GMo would have information about Vic's role unless both are scum. I also think it's not just the information level but the fact that GMo was actively helping Yume to get her story straight in thread and made a lot of unnatural leaps in order to do it

OMG JUST BECAUSE I WAS ROLEPLAYING DOESN'T MEAN I WAS ACTIVELY HELPING YUME TO GET HER STORY STRAIGHT.


WHY DO THIS IN PUBLIC THREAD, IF I AS SCUM HAVE ACCESS TO SCUM PT!

i really didnt want to say this

but you're are just too dumb to have the same investigating skills as me to come to that conclusion

[GrandpaMo]

Here it is

Okay but that pretty obviously refers to me being able to catch Yume and isn't some cryptic clue

there you go .. you said it yourself.

i already had a confirmation bias knowing it had to be a player....

therefore LIKE I SAID PREVIOSULY i correalted that info with the that post and disregarded the persona of yume but the persona of another person

do u not understand.

There's no point in me engaging in circular arguments on this

Your explanation on your thought process is still an unnatural leap of logic
If we have this argument it's just going to be me telling you that you did not reach the conclusion naturally, and that if the conclusion was not reached naturally but was the 'correct' conclusion you must have been working backwards, while you tell me that you did reach it naturally. Since most players in the game don't care about this argument I wanted to focus elsewhere, particularly since at the time I wanted to elim Victorine before eliming you and abandon the line of reasoning if she were to flip scum. Now, I would go in the reverse order.

the only reason im aruging with you is because ur logic doesn tmake sense and its frustrating

u keep repeating the non based shit that you have no proof.

u arent proving this to me the only thing u are saying is just oh im jumping into conclusions.

post page numbers + post numbers+ discuss the specific interactions with me and vic discuss otehr interactions

u havent done any of that shit but just goes on assumptions.

its okay to make an assumpion once in a time but to make an assumption just to read someone especially two ppl is just bad play.

especailly CONSIDERING I WANTED TO KILL VIC!

[GrandpaMo]

Like, your "debunk" of how unnatural it was to assume that Yume was hinting that her flavour was a player that knew both me and Firebringer, for example

U LITERALY SAID "MASTINA" BEFORE I SAID HER NAME AND GUESSED IT

LOOK AT POST 3468

LOOK AT THE FULL INTERAACTION ON PAGE 139 - 140! if u want to anlyaze mroe

And you are proving my point for me.

When I said Mastina, I said it was likely the answer you were leading us to, and the reason you wanted me or Firebringer to say it before you was so you seemed less informed about it

thats an assumption. u based ur thought processon mine. WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESSES

[GrandpaMo]

hooly shit i havent been this heated since that one mafiauniverse knock off game

+ the nieghborhood game on here

[GrandpaMo]

I don't think GMo would have information about Vic's role unless both are scum. I also think it's not just the information level but the fact that GMo was actively helping Yume to get her story straight in thread and made a lot of unnatural leaps in order to do it

OMG JUST BECAUSE I WAS ROLEPLAYING DOESN'T MEAN I WAS ACTIVELY HELPING YUME TO GET HER STORY STRAIGHT.


WHY DO THIS IN PUBLIC THREAD, IF I AS SCUM HAVE ACCESS TO SCUM PT!

i really didnt want to say this

but you're are just too dumb to have the same investigating skills as me to come to that conclusion

Because Yume needed help in main thread in order to establish herself and get her story straight

that makes no sense.

u are now just making up shit to get your story right.

no scum does this??

especially me???

look at my meta?? i would never ever let my scumbuddy do that if i were scum especailly in a game of 5 scumpeople? did u forget there are 3 other people u have to account for

[GrandpaMo]

Here it is

Okay but that pretty obviously refers to me being able to catch Yume and isn't some cryptic clue

there you go .. you said it yourself.

i already had a confirmation bias knowing it had to be a player....

therefore LIKE I SAID PREVIOSULY i correalted that info with the that post and disregarded the persona of yume but the persona of another person

do u not understand.

There's no point in me engaging in circular arguments on this

Your explanation on your thought process is still an unnatural leap of logic
If we have this argument it's just going to be me telling you that you did not reach the conclusion naturally, and that if the conclusion was not reached naturally but was the 'correct' conclusion you must have been working backwards, while you tell me that you did reach it naturally. Since most players in the game don't care about this argument I wanted to focus elsewhere, particularly since at the time I wanted to elim Victorine before eliming you and abandon the line of reasoning if she were to flip scum. Now, I would go in the reverse order.

the only reason im aruging with you is because ur logic doesn tmake sense and its frustrating

u keep repeating the non based shit that you have no proof.

u arent proving this to me the only thing u are saying is just oh im jumping into conclusions.

post page numbers + post numbers+ discuss the specific interactions with me and vic discuss otehr interactions

u havent done any of that shit but just goes on assumptions.

its okay to make an assumpion once in a time but to make an assumption just to read someone especially two ppl is just bad play.

especailly CONSIDERING I WANTED TO KILL VIC!

You pivoted to wanting to kill Vic literally seconds after I stated you were aligned

that is completely false look at post 3483.

literally 1 minute after u posted that post on 3481.

it was in my pedit

[GrandpaMo]

gmo maybe drop the insults a tad? it reads as AtE

ikm startng to get ptsd..

im might just hop off to take a break for a sec

[GrandpaMo]

uh

jjh

why did you vote

gypyx

if you still believed

vic/gmo

were aligned

and um

gmo

maybe drop the insults a tad? it reads as AtE

We still had time. I wanted to place some more people before the end of the day phase. Also, I was of the opinion that Victorine should be elimed before GMo on this one, and didn't want to immediately elim Vic on the offchance that they actually play on day 2 when there are other viable elims

omg ik i said i was gonna take a break

but this literally contradicts ur own point

u said u wanted to lim vic before me but then say u want to save vic onto day 2 what??

then why even bringthat point of me being s/s with vic in the first place just nto to question till day 2?

[GrandpaMo]

You pivoted to wanting to kill Vic literally seconds after I stated you were aligned

that is completely false look at post 3483.

literally 1 minute after u posted that post on 3481.

it was in my pedit

Isn't that exactly what I just said? I stated it was scum theatre and you IMMEDIATELY aborted the mission and decided to bus for damage control

i was proving to u that i wasnt pivoting because u said so and i got scared.

i already explained why i didnt like vic and had my vote longer than u ever had urs

[GrandpaMo]

u know whats crazy...

@taly

i called jjh town for this btw

[GrandpaMo]

i scumread glb

*just in case*

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[GrandpaMo]

Two of your clues given that led to the answer of "Mastina" were not actual clues left by Yume. Specifically, Yume did not indicate that the player was known to me or that the player was known to Firebringer. The fact that you used these 'clues' indicates to me you must have been working backwards from the answer

175

it was a subjective matter.

a good and valid conclusion could be made from what yume said. how could no one make that assumption..

it was so obvious that yume was talking bout meta in that one post it was just in fact of either was it mastina or was it yume.

you say she was talking bout her self

i say she was talking about a player after me having an already confirmation bias that it had to be someone due to her playstyle before hand.

do u not understand this part? lord

[GrandpaMo]

You had your vote longer than I had mine? What? That's pretty verifiably false as I placed my vote on Vic a long time before you did. If you mean in times of how long in the game we were voting Vic, that's pretty arbitrary given I maintain you were trying to distance after I caught you engaging in theatre

me!scum doesn't bus.

my scum meta includes me defending vic out of the blue and hard pocketing my scum partner to make me look wifom. for example look at my games including open 810, and my 1 newbie scum game.

2nd

what does scum!me benefit from literally u saying that and immdediatly one minute after posting that message. it would make more sense for me to revise my message and go against ur theory. like i said as i finished typing my previous message, i was typing the next one saying how i didnt like vic, then u posted ur theory in which was in my pedit. i had the advantage of me changing the play regardless -- so i don't how i would benefit from me "bussing" vic

[GrandpaMo]

uh

jjh

why did you vote

gypyx

if you still believed

vic/gmo

were aligned

and um

gmo

maybe drop the insults a tad? it reads as AtE

We still had time. I wanted to place some more people before the end of the day phase. Also, I was of the opinion that Victorine should be elimed before GMo on this one, and didn't want to immediately elim Vic on the offchance that they actually play on day 2 when there are other viable elims

omg ik i said i was gonna take a break

but this literally contradicts ur own point

u said u wanted to lim vic before me but then say u want to save vic onto day 2 what??

then why even bringthat point of me being s/s with vic in the first place just nto to question till day 2?

This doesn't contradict anything. I'm a realistic player and I don't just assume I'm right on things. I can think you're both scum, but it's quite reasonable for me to think that someone else is individually more likely to be scum than both of you. If I determine that Yume is town then that obviously invalidates my thinking that you are both scum together. However, I am thinking you are more likely to be independently scum at this time simply because of your handling of this argument

you explained ur contradicition. it does contradict. you are explaining how we could be both scum but you are also thinking bout other stuff. that either means you aren't sure about us being s/s or that you are purposefully maniupulating the context just in case u get owned -- and can use this arugment to get ur self out. straw man fallacy.

[GrandpaMo]

u know whats crazy...

@taly

i called jjh town for this btw

Does this imply you think you're wrong now? Because I didn't reflexively townread you for it?

no i was just showing taly that i never had scumread jjh for this in fact ur a null - townlean rn.

177

[GrandpaMo]

@jjh Would you tr me if I say it?

ur so weird...

179

[GrandpaMo]

you're welcome GLB.

[GrandpaMo]

Anyways why is the vote on Gypyx?

[GrandpaMo]

r u the one feeding me?

i fed u tehe.

u should go see my softs yesterday lol

[GrandpaMo]

2.209 Good Luck Buddy Trial

In a furor over the accusations of witchcraft, the voting for lims has been suspended and a trial is immediately made.

Good Luck Buddy has been accused of witchcraft!

To vote in their favor, use HEAL: Good Luck Buddy. To support the charges, use HURT: Good Luck Buddy. Good Luck Buddy will be found innocent if they receive 8 heal votes before they receive 6 hurt votes.

Votes cannot be changed after being made.

Heal (0):
Hurt (0):

Not voting: Everyone

The day will end in (expired on 2021-12-05 21:00:00).

wtf is this

[GrandpaMo]

so who started the trial

[GrandpaMo]

HEAL: Good Luck Buddy

u shouldnt have voted -- u cant change ur vote now

[GrandpaMo]

so who started the trial

NK15

lol hm so a role that makes them disappear day 1 then reappear with a trial on day 2 interesting

[GrandpaMo]

Here's why:

i still don't understand ircher confidence on victorine and he has spent more time arguing about how he determines a confidence level than he has on explain why he is actually confident enough about victorine to justify the statement of "why not yeet ME first and then not victorine"

like u should be dead certain and ready to justify that read if ur willing to put ur own head in the guillotine. And here we just get "trust me"
I swear ircher is actually trying to get victorine yeeted with these bad level defense.

the reverse psychology game

This is shading of Ircher whilst going for victorine.

Nancy u can vote victorine.

going for victorine.

Almost 500 post in 19 hours

then vote victorine.
if u want a day to end. vote for biggest wagon.

continuing...

i think ircher willing to fall on the sword is weird too.
I think we can examine that tomorrow.

shading again, subtly, yet pushing for "tomorrow"

Can I exchange this townread for an extra rare yugioh card

Since we not going to end anytime soon
VOTE: Ircher
Might as well sheep Sakura on her questioning of ircher

Fishing for an excuse despite shading previously.

It is clear.

Spoiler: If you are still not convinced that they are a witch...

Do you think JJH is their minion or puppet?
~C

He is obviously John Procter and RC is Tituba. I’m a genius.

But seriously @nk15, how are you getting “witch” out of this specifically?

LMFAO i love the reference here.

ig nk15 is judge danforth

[GrandpaMo]

Votes cannot be changed after being made.

@taly what

[GrandpaMo]

Liming is suspended due to the furor over witchcraft, but another accusation can be made and another trial will be made. The same player can't be placed on trial twice in this day phase.

technically if we vote all heal on glb... nk15 has the right to access another lim on someone

[GrandpaMo]

glb.. what food did u get lol

[GrandpaMo]

Ydrasse was already redirected, what if that role that redirected her also created a new target for her action

that is so complicated for rc aint no way

[GrandpaMo]

glb.. what food did u get lol

"a hearty meal"

LOL

okay so my flavor is good lmfaooo

[GrandpaMo]

also nk15...

glb is probably gonna get let off loose.

u either start a trial for town's majority if ur town.

[GrandpaMo]

this weird deflect is actually interesting. many ppl scumread glb ind day 1 but actions speak louder than words

[GrandpaMo]

HURT: GrandpaMo

[GrandpaMo]

HURT: GrandpaMo

don't be a masochist and hurt urself. get others to do it for u

it would be funny if i hurt u

hurt me please <3

[GrandpaMo]

also nk15...

glb is probably gonna get let off loose.

u either start a trial for town's majority if ur town.

this weird deflect is actually interesting. many ppl scumread glb ind day 1 but actions speak louder than words

HURT: GrandpaMo

Dafuq?

You can’t hurt tag yourself rn. You can only heal or hurt GLB, so idk wtf you’re trying to do here.

lmfao it was a joke gosh

HURT: GLB

i will be the only one to hurt you unfort.

even tho i want to heal u and bring u upon the innocennce.

u are a witch and mary warren wouldn't be to happy about this.

im doing this for abigail. i shall now be free of the devil!

[GrandpaMo]

in the event you flip town

????

lmao

am i actually playing so bad

yes

[GrandpaMo]

this weird deflect is actually interesting. many ppl scumread glb ind day 1 but actions speak louder than words

You mean this?

as pooky said, we wanted gypx dead in game as well, which you probably didn't read, in fact we might have been loudest voice on gypx alternative wagon but it go zero traction (well tbf it was pooky who wanted it, i didn't care for it). And now ur arguing that gypyx is gonna defend a scum buddy here. Is there a reason u think gypyx is scum to begin with or u just subtle bussing here with this?

When people started to evaluate if a gypyx wagon would be viable you voted Ircher, not gypyx.
You did NOT vote gypyx. Another nail in your coffin if gypyx flips red.
And gypyx defended you at the start of the day with fake reasons.

no lol

[GrandpaMo]

Ydrasse was already redirected, what if that role that redirected her also created a new target for her action

I think at this point we should stop speculating until we get a clearer picture of the role distribution via flips and/or claims.

Why?

Not enough info. It isn't going to be productive, it will just clog up the thread. The post volume is high enough.

Unless you have an unlimited number of witch trials, how can that possibly hurt?

it isd more than one since it was implied in rc's post. im just waiting on the gypyx, vic, or loft trial

[GrandpaMo]

and grandpa vote which is a meme vote.

lol

[GrandpaMo]

HURT: glb

pls tell me this is a meme vote

[GrandpaMo]

Can we just talk about Clemency? Many people had him as null.

i had them in my scumsolve as well

[GrandpaMo]

HURT: GrandpaMo

What is this supposed to do?

raise awareness for sucicides

[GrandpaMo]

in games*

[GrandpaMo]

specifically in self hammer approaches*

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Ircher

LMFAO

[GrandpaMo]

galron has the best progression in this game by far!

[GrandpaMo]

galron has the best progression in this game by far!

DO YOU WANNA DIE?

i called him town way before u.. relax.

all u do is literally fanboy all over me just to scumread me

[GrandpaMo]

Galron

town omg I'm hardlocking it, no returns

galron has the best progression in this game by far!

What?

gmo

parroting me

that man gonna die by my hands this game i swear

jjh

aint got nothing on these nails

u literally sheep me half of this game:/

or have the same thought process as me in day 1... why let jjh ruin our beloved friendship??

[GrandpaMo]

HURT: GrandpaMo

do u know what u just did?

however, u do know i am a very forgiving person with much analysis to be caught up on.

therefore, i forgive u my love

HEAL: Taly

[GrandpaMo]

also nk15...

glb is probably gonna get let off loose.

u either start a trial for town's majority if ur town.

this weird deflect is actually interesting. many ppl scumread glb ind day 1 but actions speak louder than words

HURT: GrandpaMo

Dafuq?

You can’t hurt tag yourself rn. You can only heal or hurt GLB, so idk wtf you’re trying to do here.

lmfao it was a joke gosh

HURT: GLB

i will be the only one to hurt you unfort.

even tho i want to heal u and bring u upon the innocennce.

u are a witch and mary warren wouldn't be to happy about this.

im doing this for abigail. i shall now be free of the devil!

did i forget to say im griggs?

[GrandpaMo]

jjh

ew jjh's avi is ewwww

[GrandpaMo]

HURT: taly

[GrandpaMo]

Do you disagree or hard agree with any of my reads Jjh?

the fact that taly keeps referencing jjh in each of their post is very creepy

[GrandpaMo]

Do you think it's without purpose?

i didnt think of it to much until now --

maybe its related to ur activating role?

wait nvm i dont wanna say too much

or jjh might accuse me of tmi

[GrandpaMo]

What if I accused NK15? That’d be a hoot I think.

that would be the highlight of the game

[GrandpaMo]

no

I ACCUSE GYPYX OF WITCHCRAFT!!!

[GrandpaMo]

5 scum in Victorine, GMo, NK15, Loftwing, Ratman, SS, listed in order of likelihood.

okay i want to say soemthing.

stop this bs right now.

you literally fucking call 3 people scum that I am/was calling scum. I still have vic/ loft / rat / clem / + 1 more in my scumsolve.

do you rlly think im fucking bussing 3 people? holy shit. its starting to get annoying because u pair me up with these other people who haven't done shit while i have.

and you have nothing on me other than that you made an assumption with me to begin with.

i will clear everything up later on.

[GrandpaMo]

5 scum in Victorine, GMo, NK15, Loftwing, Ratman, SS, listed in order of likelihood.

okay i want to say soemthing.

stop this bs right now.

you literally fucking call 3 people scum that I am/was calling scum. I still have vic/ loft / rat / clem / + 1 more in my scumsolve.

do you rlly think im fucking bussing 3 people? holy shit. its starting to get annoying because u pair me up with these other people who haven't done shit while i have.

and you have nothing on me other than that you made an assumption with me to begin with.

i will clear everything up later on.

Yeah you've agreed with the consensus on a lot. That doesn't mean much.

Loftwing and Ratmans are more the people I have leftover when you factor in everyone who is town.

You should not have clemency in your solve if you have been paying attention.

I'm not gonna take you out of the scumpile because you're agreeing with me on some things, particularly given my viewpoint now that I am assuming that Gypyx is town when Gypyx is specifically the consensus scumread that you decided to accuse of witchcraft over someone like, say, Victorine. Why did you choose Gypyx there over Victorine? I don't remember you stating a scumread there. It looks like you're just going along with an easy consensus elimination, and now that I am looking from this new town!Gypyx perspective it does appear you picked the consensus elimination that wasn't scum over one that probably is

Listen up. I am the one who approached scumcases for most of those. I was the INITIAL one who said ratmans, clem, galron, loft were scum. I pushed that narrative. You decided to come up later and some people to and just include them in your reads because they were LHF. Did I mention Gypyx in my scumsolve? Here you go again, assuming shit. You say I shouldn't have clem in my solve -- that implies that I am not "going with the consensus" you're just a hypocritical liar. Me accusing gypyx of withccraft was the meme, since 3 people already like did it before me. I rather accuse Vic -- and I still stand by it? What is wrong with you? I already claimed vic is scum so what the fuck are you on about?

[GrandpaMo]

If you want to know why I don't engage with you on this very much, it's because you're very aggressive and often misrepresenting things in your favour.

You shouldn't have Clemency in your solve because Titus claimed an innocent result on Clemency. No, that doesn't imply you're not going with the consensus. Clemency WAS a consensus scumread before that.
You also don't get to imply that players are valid scumreads when you scumread them and LHF when I have them in a rather optimistically small pool for a solve. I don't particularly have any reason to believe ratmans or loftwing or SS are scum, just that I believe everyone else is town and need pressure there.

But yeah, your tone is extremely rude and reads as though you know I'm town. I'm being a massive thorn in your side and it's pretty clear by the way that you are attacking me and insulting my intelligence that you know my stance is genuine

First point -- is not true.. That is why I am aggressive is because you have misrepresented me all of this game.
Second point -- didn't they point a innocent result on someone else not clem?
Third point -- Clem wasn't a consensus scumread before this they were just LHF. I was the one who pointed out they could be possible scum.
Fourth point -- That makes no sense with your implicaition. If you don't have no reason to believe they are scum then that means you need to narrow your town pool and start pushing more. You are stick up with so many people being town that you had to result to LHF to being part of your scum solve. I actually have reasons -- you don't.

My tone isn't rude. I only called you a hypocrital liar which may come of as rude... but that's all it it; I am just stating the facts. I am not insulting your intelligence at all. You just keep making shit up that isn't true and anyone can see that.

Question... do you think I am scum doing this on purpose?

do you think I am town doing this? What is the point of me fighting with you when I could have ignored you as scum and let vic die or gpypyx earlier die?

I am pushing you because you need more pressure. I am still questioning your allignment... I am still questioning if you would continue to me me look bad as scum or town. This happene din my first newbie game but we both took a break from each other and started looking at other people... it was quite a good game after that.

[GrandpaMo]

I think I want to claim later on...

[GrandpaMo]

2.236 Gypyx Trial

Gypyx is currently on trial!

To vote in their favor, use HEAL: Gypyx. To support the charges, use HURT: Gypyx. Gypyx will be found innocent if they receive 7 heal votes before they receive 7 hurt votes.

Votes cannot be changed after being made.

Heal (4): Jjh927, Sakura Hana, Something_Smart, Galron
Hurt (2): Not Known 15, Titus

Not voting: Everyone

The day will end in (expired on 2021-12-05 21:00:00).

Also a note that you cannot vote on your own trial!

HEAL: Gypyx

[GrandpaMo]

Fairly certain Grandpa Mo is scum.

It's like he's just throwing down random words and hoping we'll just say "well that's GMO for you."

what the hell does this mean??

[GrandpaMo]

it's not random...

can u explain anything of what u are talking bout?

dont say random shit bout me that's not true?

[GrandpaMo]

it's not random...

can u explain anything of what u are talking bout?

dont say random shit bout me that's not true?

galron has the best progression in this game by far!

Listen up. I am the one who approached scumcases for most of those. I was the INITIAL one who said ratmans, clem, galron, loft were scum.

hows that random?? i said u have the best proression in the game after referencing taly's read on u. i was scumreading u in the beginning of day 1 then you started being more towny and contributing after our interaction -- that's why i said u had the best progression.

and hows the second one at all random? this was in response to jjh. i was making the point very clear because they kept saying i was sheeping and i was saying i wasnt.

[GrandpaMo]

wait nvm i dont wanna say too much

i will clear everything up later on.

Look a magic bag.

again... stop snippign and ruining context. this was all in regarding to jjh's intearction that had nothing to do with anyone else. first one was a joke reference to the tmi push that jjh made?
and 2nd one i did in response to jjh..


again what the hell point are u tryna make?

[GrandpaMo]

it's not random...

can u explain anything of what u are talking bout?

dont say random shit bout me that's not true?

galron has the best progression in this game by far!

Listen up. I am the one who approached scumcases for most of those. I was the INITIAL one who said ratmans, clem, galron, loft were scum.

@Mo, how do you explain these two contradictory statements?

And since one of those is confitown, another I strongly tr, another I tl and the other is just null, how do you think those reads are in your favour?

how is this contradictory?? i was obviously talking about the pushes in the game that i made. i made all those pushes in the game. does it mean i scumread? does it mean I townread? no . i wasnt stating my reads. i was responding to jjh

[GrandpaMo]

it's not random...

can u explain anything of what u are talking bout?

dont say random shit bout me that's not true?

galron has the best progression in this game by far!

Listen up. I am the one who approached scumcases for most of those. I was the INITIAL one who said ratmans, clem, galron, loft were scum.

@Mo, how do you explain these two contradictory statements?

And since one of those is confitown, another I strongly tr, another I tl and the other is just null, how do you think those reads are in your favour?

like i said in talking terms of reads. clem is obvconf town now. and galron is my townread. the one that stands true in that statement is ratmans and loft. i think ratmans and loft are scumlean. with loft being worse then ratman due to that interaction with deimos earlier on ratmans day 1

[GrandpaMo]

Why is clem conftown?

I copped him.

imagine they were godfather LOL that would be funny

or you were insane cop (which is reversed checks dk what its called in ms)

[GrandpaMo]

What interaction with Deimos?

page101,102, and 104

[GrandpaMo]

or you were insane cop (which is reversed checks dk what its called in ms)

this would only work in bastard uninformed lol

rc would be crazy

[GrandpaMo]

Why is clem conftown?

I copped him.

imagine they were godfather LOL that would be funny

or you were insane cop (which is reversed checks dk what its called in ms)

I kinda wanna kill this
discrediting confirms is not a towny thing to do

bro relax it was a joke

i believe titus. and never had intentions of discrediting my gosh yall dont know how to take a joke

[GrandpaMo]

Gmo be like

Haha wouldn't it be wacky if paranoia inducing scenario occurred lol

this is the first time i brought it up :/ and gf is a plausible informed scenario (since gf isn't mod lie)

[GrandpaMo]

I'm seconds away from tunneling GMO tbh

feel free to. everyone who tried to make up random shit about me including galron and questions from nancy (i think)... i have responded to them and im assuming i answered it aquedtly hearing nothing back..

its just starting to get wack because the only reason people are starting to scumread me is because of my "playstyle" which in fact is NAI and galron should know this the most since they played scum with me... my scum meta is obvious and dk why galron is acting in a predictiment that he knows my scum meta and its showing here? even tho if u compare the game ucan see the differences.

[GrandpaMo]

Gmo give reads please

i gave reads like a 1000 times omg


we literally have the same reads that u sheeped of me ;-;

except a little differences. just iso me my dude.

[GrandpaMo]

i accuse vic for witchcraft!!!

now let's get this over with please. i rlly want to do what i want to do without dying

[GrandpaMo]

@GMO You do realize you're making that comment in a room full of people who have been discredited their whole lives and been told it was a joke?

I don't feel your intent was to discredit me as my alignment but rather my result. So let me put this to rest...

The mod said that Clemency was town using his name. No redirect possible. He's just town.

my intent wasn't that...

i have seen many large theme games have a GF. This was when I was looking at this forum https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=69677

and interested in the ability of miller v GF

[GrandpaMo]

let's stop talking bout it since its irrelevant and causes unneeded paranoia if necessary.

[GrandpaMo]

I'm seconds away from tunneling GMO tbh

feel free to. everyone who tried to make up random shit about me including galron and questions from nancy (i think)... i have responded to them and im assuming i answered it aquedtly hearing nothing back..

its just starting to get wack because the only reason people are starting to scumread me is because of my "playstyle" which in fact is NAI and galron should know this the most since they played scum with me... my scum meta is obvious and dk why galron is acting in a predictiment that he knows my scum meta and its showing here? even tho if u compare the game ucan see the differences.

What pings me further is that you're OK with my push.

If I'm town, why not dissuade me?
If I'm scum, why not combat me?

It's hard to discern if this is a battle you don't think is necessary or you're admitting guilt.

??? BECAUSE I ALREAYD HAVE MANY TIMES!

And I am saying feel free to so I can dissuade you more!

I think you are town and still have nothing against me.

Do you not understand?

[GrandpaMo]

i have responded to them and im assuming i answered it aquedtly hearing nothing back..

This is responded by me saying this which implies I will respond to you ??

[GrandpaMo]

are my posts really that incomprehensible?

[GrandpaMo]

I don't agree with your perception that I'm sheeping you and if you actually believe that I don't know why you think that is towny behavior from me.

And I still don't like your tone to virtually any pushback you get.

are my posts really that incomprehensible?

I'm not actually offended, but this language is insulting my intelligence.

ok do u want me to provide u evidence?

and wdym this language is insulting u???? im not calling u stupid??? im just talking bout me and how i could be just phrasing my sentences that can be taken out of context. im talking bout me here not u.

u arent the first person to talk about this and that's why i get sad :/

[GrandpaMo]

i think my defeintion of sheeping is diff than urs.

i townread you because at certain times.. .you were like me ... u had the same mindset and i loved seeing that into this game because i was able to connect to your emotions and thoughts