Anything uPick (Endgame)

[Cheeky Wings]

Nancy

ily but I have absolutely no clue how you concluded that my call for jury was a readslist.

To clarify, I townread your slot very strongly. And no, my call for jury was not a readslist. It was just a prod to lots of slots I wanted to hear from about the

GMO

And my reads on the jury vary. Some I called to sort, others for a new perspective, etc.

Oh sorry then I obviously misunderstood. So what is your case on Mo? I’ve played two games with town!him where he got miselimed, so I’m extremely wary of that.

[Cheeky Wings]

Something_Smart replaces Queen.

I DEMAND YOU READ PAGE 107 BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE.

dont be so mean taly

How is that mean?

Ftr because we have everything set to descending, I don’t know how I would even find that pqge without links or quotes.

[Cheeky Wings]

Says she stands with me to vote Ircher when I hadn’t really said much on Ircher since the beginning of the game and I was voting Loftwing. Reads as she’s trying to push an agenda with a forged signature.

Shouldn't that make you question voting Ircher? You can't complain about Titus both being apathetic to and against your wagon, that seems like you're not really processing the thoughts you're presenting beyond a surface level.
~C

shrug
I’m not of the belief Titus’ Ircher vote isn’t a bus as of yet

You really think Titus would bus Ircher on D1?

It’s possible, her MO in Situation Room was “ineffectual busser” but it never worked out

Oh interesting. I do recall that she did buss our illustrious mod once, so I guess that’s possible.

[Cheeky Wings]

i'm only starting my read through now but i saw the vc and if there's one thing that's certain its that you should always VOTE: gamma

What is certain? This is a scummy af vote.

[Cheeky Wings]

Illustrious.

typo obviously

[Cheeky Wings]

No you spelt it right I'm just amused

Oh okay then.

[Cheeky Wings]

i'm only starting my read through now but i saw the vc and if there's one thing that's certain its that you should always VOTE: gamma

What is certain? This is a scummy af vote.

that you should vote gamma
you can see it in the post you quoted (:

Well what are your reasons though? Which post? The one he made after he thought toog shot him?

[Cheeky Wings]

Fwiw, Not Known 15 is probably not allowed to post. It's not really fair to call him a lurker.

Where are you getting this from? I have never ever even heard of such a thing.

[Cheeky Wings]

SS how much of the game are you planning to read/have you read?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

What's The Deal With: Not Known 15.0

Has He Been Deleted From The Program

[Cheeky Wings]

But NK15 stays, because my gamestate vibe is that scum aren’t doing much in a way that isn’t explained by them just being in the lurkers

I Find This Kind Of Gamestate Read Highly Questionable

Nobody Not Even Me Is That Powerful With No Flips

I have caught scum with no flips before, so that is just untrue.

[Cheeky Wings]

Anything uPick Votecount 1.01:

Firebringer (0):
Victorine (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Datisi (0):
Clemency (0):
Galron (0):
T3 (0):
Gypyx (0):
Tamoras Angel (0):
Jjh927 (0):
DkKoba (0):
Ydrasse (0):
Grandpa (0):
Deimos27 (0):
Loftwing (0):
Ratmans (0):
Ircher (0):
Taly (0):
Togeloo (0):
Cheeky Wings (0):
Sakura Hana (0):
Queen (0):

Not Voting: Firebringer, Victorine, Gamma Emerald, Datisi, Clemency, Galron, T3, Gypyx, Tamoras Angel, Jjh927, DkKoba, Ydrasse, Grandpa, Deimos27, Loftwing, Ratmans, Ircher, Taly, Togeloo, Cheeky Wings, Sakura Hana, Queen

With 22 alive it's 12 to lim.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-11-20 21:00:00).

NK15’s name isn’t even mentioned here.

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler: Playerlist:
1) Good Luck Buddy
2) Victorine
3) Gamma Emerald
4) Datisi
5) Clemency
6) Galron
7) T3
8) Gypyx
9) Tamoras Angel
10) Jjh927
11) DkKoba
12) Ydrasse
13) Grandpa
14) Deimos27
15) Loftwing
16) Ratmans
17) Ircher
18) Taly
19) Togeloo
20) Cheeky Wings
21) Sakura Hana
22)

Not Known 15

23) Queen

but it is here, weird. Actually RC has actually done something like that before with Shoshin and I know he’s on top of his prodges, so maybe Ircher and SS are right about this?

[Cheeky Wings]

@Mo, I think NK15 definitely has some kind of post restriction unless RC goofed with that but he would have been prodded doin by now if it was fake, I think.

So yeah. NK15 would have at least posted something irrespective of alignment if he could.

[Cheeky Wings]

why do I pick fights only to lose them

What fight? I don’t think Mo is scum here, he is clearly solving.

[Cheeky Wings]

UNVOTE:

Not completely sure I trust Titus.

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Titus

This could be her scum meta here.

[Cheeky Wings]

UNVOTE:

[Cheeky Wings]

what's this button do?

VOTE: Clemency

If Ircher wagon falls apart, I will.

Can you explain your read on Ircher?

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Ircher

[Cheeky Wings]

Sup jjh. How you doin
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Ratmans can get eliminated next.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

what's this button do?

VOTE: Clemency

oh shit im down VOTE: Clemency

What in the actual fuck?

[Cheeky Wings]

why do I pick fights only to lose them

What fight? I don’t think Mo is scum here, he is clearly solving.

do u think scum is in the back?

because thats what im thinking too atm

maj of the scum team.. .since its 5 ppl ... ima say like at least 3 ppl of the scum team is someone with 100 posts and less

“In the back”? as in back of Gamma wagon or . . . ?

[Cheeky Wings]

also i think everyone with 100 posts or more or likely town rn (this is my draft readlist)

with the exception of ydrasse and dk because i have not heard anything about them either.

Koba is flipped town and I hard tr Ydrasse.

Idk what Clem is yet but if Ircher flips scum, Galron doesn’t look like a buddy.

[Cheeky Wings]

with the exception of ydrasse and dk because i have not heard anything about them either.

just a personal hunch of mine, but i think dk is town.

with the exception of ydrasse and dk because i have not heard anything about them either.

just a personal hunch of mine, but i think dk is town.

can u give me a reason?

lmfaooo

Mo are you trolling or something?

[Cheeky Wings]

In an explosion of cosmic proportions, Toogeloo obliterates DkKoba!

DkKoba was

XrCyclone

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, DkKoba. You are XrCyclone, Obvious Cheater. You are a Helper-Requesting Cheater.

I claim random informed role that I have no way of knowing about!

Thought (Helper-Requesting): Each night you may target a player not in the game, inviting them to be able to discuss the game with you.
Cheater! (Cheater): You may discuss the game during days and nights with every player who accepted your invitation until the end of the game.

You win when the Mafia have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Toogeloo was

Gamma Ray Burst

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome, Toogeloo. You are Gamma Ray Burst, Strongman Exploder

If you've seen one gamma-ray burst, you've seen one gamma-ray burst!

Supernova (Strongman Exploder): Once per game during the day you may target a player and explode both of you, targeting both of you with a strongman kill.

You win when the Mafia have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Ordinarily protocol is to reset the votecount, but I will not bother since no one is close to any lim thresholds.

@Mo

[Cheeky Wings]

with the exception of ydrasse and dk because i have not heard anything about them either.

just a personal hunch of mine, but i think dk is town.

can u give me a reason?

1291 is pretty townie.

Dats is killing me here.

[Cheeky Wings]

so how is everyone doing on this fine evening

Fine, what colour is your role pm?

[Cheeky Wings]

Shut up bro

ok deimos i'll ask him about your role next week

Lmao Gamma, Pooky is trolling you.

[Cheeky Wings]

well me and firebringer and RCB got drunk yesterday night during our weekly civ5 game.

and RCB can't hold his liquor

and we asked him

yo what's up with that NK15 dude

and I kid you not this guy's face lights up like a pumpkin and he spews his drink all over his monitor

and he's telling us how he trolled NK15 with the trollest custom role ever

good times

I'm Assuming This Is A Joke Because If True You Should Have Been Replaced

Not A Good Joke It Is Nothing Like My Amazing Humor LMAO

Why is anyone falling for Pooky’s beyond obvious trolling?

[Cheeky Wings]

Especially Gamma cause she's actually keeping up with the game

Gamma seriously believed that GiF was going to lock our hydra thread in FFIV so no he didn’t fail any reaction tests.

[Cheeky Wings]

Gamma Emerald Has A Hard Time Identifying Jokes Sometimes I Do Not Blame Him For Being: Intimidated (By My Power)

I Cannot Speak For: Galron

Is this a legit trend
Because I actually have multiple scumtells on Gamma this game based on her taking posts that I perceive to be jokes too seriously

That isn’t a reliable tell for Gamma. As SS said, he sometimes can’t tell when people are trolling.

[Cheeky Wings]

And I was briefly back to being ultra sus of Gamma but then SS said it's actually their meta not to understand humour so now I'm less certain again

That happens to me sometimes as well tbh.

[Cheeky Wings]

Shut up bro

ok deimos i'll ask him about your role next week

Lmao Gamma, Pooky is trolling you.

that's a long way to go for a troll if so?

Not for Pooky, he’s probably not even really even got started yet.

[Cheeky Wings]

Shut up bro

ok deimos i'll ask him about your role next week

Lmao Gamma, Pooky is trolling you.

that's a long way to go for a troll if so?

Good point
It's more likely that RC compromised the integrity of the game for all other 21 participants or however many, and didn't immediately force replace GLB
Checks out to me

Lmmfao Pooky is TROLLING, my God it’s so freaking obvious.

[Cheeky Wings]

That was sarcasm if you could not tell

No sometimes sarcasm goes over my head.

[Cheeky Wings]

Maybe I should go back to voting GLB after all

Nah, this is actually a strong town tell for Pooky. As scum he’d be putting alot more effort into wifomming the game.

[Cheeky Wings]

I'm just thinking that if Pooky improvises posts like those with such ease maybe there's a world where 1073 still comes from scum!him
It's an impressive post nonetheless

Pooky!scum usually either has an agenda or isn’t doing anything to advance the game. He doesn’t joke/troll like this as scum.

[Cheeky Wings]

Didn't one of you hard scumread that slot earlier

Yes briefly because he was posting to his scum meta but then he stopped doing that.

[Cheeky Wings]

I'm fairly sure I have joked/trolled as scum what

In a way that involves turning us all into pretzels involving the game.

[Cheeky Wings]

I'm funny regardless of alignment

unless I'm serious.

but I can only be serious in one game at a time.

and I'm not using my one serious game on a large theme upick lolol

I haven’t found you funny in any game I can recall you being scum in.

[Cheeky Wings]

It seems like SS has a particular PR

Not only does every word they say have to be capitalized, but also something something computer

And I was briefly back to being ultra sus of Gamma but then SS said it's actually their meta not to understand humour so now I'm less certain again

More Than Meta It's Just His Personality He Does It All The Time

Glad I Can Enlighten You Here Who Knows Where You Would Be Without My Help

Yep.

[Cheeky Wings]

You Have Strange Searches On Your Computer Datisi

I Have Successfully Rebooted

Bet You're Feeling The Intense Pressure Of My Hellish Reign

Good catch @Loft, @Gamma.

[Cheeky Wings]

so what the hell is Victorine's PR? can only post less than 10 words or over 10000?

I don’t believe she’s post restricted at all, especially since it’s obvious SS and NK15 are, plus she’s already admitted to shitposting.

[Cheeky Wings]

Fuck it.

UNVOTE:

In Nancy v Titus, Ircher was making bullshit reads, these actually sound believable.

[Cheeky Wings]

Fuck it.

UNVOTE:

In Nancy v Titus, Ircher was making bullshit reads, these actually sound believable.

Those aren't reads. Just very easy observations and an attempt to gaslight a galron push.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

[instagram][/instagram]

Fuck it.

UNVOTE:

In Nancy v Titus, Ircher was making bullshit reads, these actually sound believable.

Those aren't reads. Just very easy observations and an attempt to gaslight a galron push.
~C

You don’t understand. Read his ISO in me v Titus again, he was saying really sketchy things. Many of his takes were totally off to me. It was just different than here.

I’m also not convinced Galron is town or Clemency for that matter. His Gamma post still sucks but that’s really the only one I hated.

[Cheeky Wings]

speak to me with loads of flavor but in a way i can still tell what your alignment is

Well I Still Haven't Read Much

I Read Page 107 But It Didn't Make Sense Without Context Why Did You Ask Me To Read It

because in the 5+ games i remember you replacing in, you usually slap an almost-immediate townread on me when i show some level of frustration.

ive seen it both as town and as scum of you, but i still wanted to see how you'd react to a tonal outburst i gave in a game you otherwise have little to no impression of.

the only time you have actually not given me a townread upon replacing in AND was incorrect + mislimmed me, was when i was on an alt -

Cupcake Butterfly

in a recent game.

honestly forgot your alignment there and dont feel pressed to research atm.

but yeah im just sussing you out haha

OMB where he was scum but so far, I’m picking up town vibes from him.

[Cheeky Wings]

I think I'm approaching the higher standard for reads which I usually reserve for day 2 and we still haven't got any real interest in eliming the easiest scum to elim

So, I’m assuming you think that’s still Gamma?

[Cheeky Wings]

Like, if I'm gonna have to actually think about slots like Ircher, Galron, and GrandpaMo I need to engage brain more. Definitely seeing potential for scum Ircher but the easiest most obvious scum elim is Victorine

Oh right, that’s who you’re currently voting.


So you’ve obviously changed your mind on Ircher?

Not sure on V because of her post about shitposting on D1.

So maybe go back to this then?

VOTE: Ircher

[Cheeky Wings]

Alright, I'm ready for a flip, don't think the quality of posts are going to improve from this point. All votes on either Gamma or Ircher plz.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Hey Now There's Only One Ruler Here Who Gets To Tell People What To Do And It Isn't You

Excuse you Queen.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Do you need another 6 days SS?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Like, if I'm gonna have to actually think about slots like Ircher, Galron, and GrandpaMo I need to engage brain more. Definitely seeing potential for scum Ircher but the easiest most obvious scum elim is Victorine

You are expressing the scumread on Victorine with a bit too much certainty for my liking
Admittedly I no longer remember what exactly your reasons were for scumreading them

Their play is clearly anti-town but it's not like this level of trollery has only ever been seen from scum
I wouldn't say their alignment is

obvious

.

I'm down for a jjh wagon if you think that's better than Ircher?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Looking at the VC prior to that I can see Gamma and Ircher were competing wagons and then seems like Ircher wagon has collapsed?
Doesnt that indicate Gamma is a miselim?
UNVOTE:

Yes likely, there's been significant resistance to Ircher in the form of hand waving "Ircher could be scum but no brain cells working atm"
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Oh good, you're here, why do you SR jjh?

I just expect more from jjh than what he has been doing, which is close to nothing.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Looking at the VC prior to that I can see Gamma and Ircher were competing wagons and then seems like Ircher wagon has collapsed?
Doesnt that indicate Gamma is a miselim?
UNVOTE:

Yes likely, there's been significant resistance to Ircher in the form of hand waving "Ircher could be scum but no brain cells working atm"
~C

lmfao i feel like this is pointed at me

Not just you, iirc deimos, dats, ydrasse have all had similar stances,
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Oh and jjh.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

From what I remember, I think I read at some point that there was no resistance to Gamma wagon.
So I'm assuming the Ircher wagon popped up and scum disintegrated it? (references needed).

Gamma's more than likely town.

The wagon wasn't disintegrated as much as it was built by team spirit which didn't spread very far. People were more speculative about an Ircher wagon than a Gamma wagon. It's hard to dissect the intention that formed the Gamma wagon because the majority of it formed after the "antispew" incident.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Tagepop pepOhype I want to thank the academy

Fuck you cheeky
Fuck you too jjh

I will treasure this post, just as I treasure every post where RC mentions me.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Oh good, you're here, why do you SR jjh?

I just expect more from jjh than what he has been doing, which is close to nothing.
~C

Not sure how you're unaware of how my playstyle has shifted

When was the last time we played in the same game?

One full moon ago.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Did you know I have 6 people on my friends list and you're one of them Cheeky

There is 1 more in the game as well

Lmao. Did you know you're my only friend in my friend list!
I keep forgetting that's a thing on this site.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Did you know I have 6 people on my friends list and you're one of them Cheeky

There is 1 more in the game as well

who be that person so i can fite them

It's you FB duh lol.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Like, if I'm gonna have to actually think about slots like Ircher, Galron, and GrandpaMo I need to engage brain more. Definitely seeing potential for scum Ircher but the easiest most obvious scum elim is Victorine

You are expressing the scumread on Victorine with a bit too much certainty for my liking
Admittedly I no longer remember what exactly your reasons were for scumreading them

Their play is clearly anti-town but it's not like this level of trollery has only ever been seen from scum
I wouldn't say their alignment is

obvious

.

I'm down for a jjh wagon if you think that's better than Ircher?
~C

That's like the only thing I remember seeing from jjh that might be scum-ai
Similarly from Ircher I have the one quote atm
You are free to use further evidence to convince me to take a more decisive stance on either slot

Look deimos I'll level with you. You're my strongest tr and I need some help so please help me flip scum D1 or my ego will implode.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I think now is a good time to give SS the "I told you so" look.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I have a funny crazy idea Cheeky
You could out your behavioural tell on Ircher
I know it's a bit bonkers
Just a concept

I'm a freak but there is a line. Sheesh Deimos.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

i am intrigued, can you give me a hint about what you see in

ircher

,

cheeky

?

It's a tonal thing from towngames vs a scumgame.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Galron doesnt look like scum to me.

Same. OK I'm out for a bit glgl.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

townbloc:

GMO/Gamma/Ydrasse/Taly/CheekyWings

Talk to me about ydrasse.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

@Taly what happened to your townread on Titus from early game?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Okay Yume, what's your read on the Nancy hydra

I hope that this is just to sort yume because you yourself should have a lock read on us by now.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

if yume is supposed to be impersonating mastina this is the worst impression i have ever seen.
where is the 4000 word walls

Lmao.
Next upick choice 100%
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

-Why did Yume suddenly start signing every post with M having done that on exactly one other post, along with also having signed as "Big bad wold" and "Red" previously, at a time when GrandpaMo decided to push the agenda that Yume's post restriction was to imitate Mastina?
-Why does GMo ignore Post 2161 while attempting to determine Yume's post restriction?
-This is exactly the kind of poorly thought out nonsense I would expect from scum!Yume to justify demonstrably false claims based on what has happened when Yume has been caught in a lie in the past
-GMo really pushed that agenda HARD there. Like damn, there were some serious leaps of logic to get to that conclusion and then he left it open with the obvious "Mastina" answer for me and/or Fire to answer for him so he doesn't seem completely batshit insane.

Conclusion- A pair of bad actors reading a bad script

Guys wanna wagon jjh after all

Yes please.
~C

There's always one ^.^
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Or to put it this way: if I guess a player's flavor correctly, I get a reward. Just like in those old 'prize catching games' at carnivals.

Scum role
VOTE: victorine

So what reward did you get for guessing Taly is Taly?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Ircher why is Victorine town?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

You should maybe stop using quantitative measures to describe your confidence if it is qualitative

I'm not sure what you're doing if not to discredit Ircher's defense of Vic.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Fascinated at how polarised the reads of Fire/Pooky (sorry didn't pay attention to who it was) and Cheeky are wrt jjh

You should see how polarized Nancy and my reads are on Firebear.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

If scum!Victorine wanted to coast in this game, she would have just kept up her minimal engagement with the game. That's not at all what happened. Over the course of today, she has offered significant amounts of information unrequested from her.

Can I get an example of this unrequested information? It boggles me that out or all the wagons so far you feel so confident (confident enough to be eliminated instead of them) on Vic who happens to be the hardest to parse imo.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Fascinated at how polarised the reads of Fire/Pooky (sorry didn't pay attention to who it was) and Cheeky are wrt jjh

cheeky being wrong is a not a new thing

I love how you always hold my town game in such high regard.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Fascinated at how polarised the reads of Fire/Pooky (sorry didn't pay attention to who it was) and Cheeky are wrt jjh

cheeky being wrong is a not a new thing

I love how you always hold my town game in such high regard.
~C

im sorry i just see u as someone who can easily be fooled

I've caught you as scum, so I don't know where you're getting that impression. I don't really want to go down this path so I'll let you be king of your own reality.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Or to put it this way: if I guess a player's flavor correctly, I get a reward. Just like in those old 'prize catching games' at carnivals.

Mo did in fact request this, but that doesn't really mean she was obligated to answer such a rolefishing question, yet she did so after all.

I'll counter this with the fact Taly claimed his flavour in the first few posts and Vic hasn't picked that up, which, if the role did work as they say it does, would've stood out to Vic like a sore thumb.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

if u want to argue about something we can argue about how the fuck does ur hydra partner think we are town. Fucking clearly wrong.

Are you saying I'm wrong to doubt my hydra partner's read on your slot?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Victorine Are You Allowed To Explain Your Post Restriction In Detail Or Is That Part Of The Restriction

I am required to post 1000 or more words 5 times per game day.

Also, I'm going to point out that while I think Victorine has in fact by this point met this requirement (if quotes and spoilered stuff count), it doesn't appear to me that she has actually been actively trying to stay true to this. What I mean is that given her night ability depends on her meeting her post restriction, I would feel scum!her would be more incentivized to actually fulfill the requirement.

OK that one I was thinking too.
UNVOTE:
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Victorine Are You Allowed To Explain Your Post Restriction In Detail Or Is That Part Of The Restriction

I am required to post 1000 or more words 5 times per game day.

Also, I'm going to point out that while I think Victorine has in fact by this point met this requirement (if quotes and spoilered stuff count), it doesn't appear to me that she has actually been actively trying to stay true to this. What I mean is that given her night ability depends on her meeting her post restriction, I would feel scum!her would be more incentivized to actually fulfill the requirement.

OK that one I was thinking too.
UNVOTE:
~C

there is a fallacy in this arguement tho...

we dont know what vic's real role is so we don't know if that post restriction is fully true meaning that she may have a different post restriion vs what she said.

Yes it hinges on the claim being true, I just don't know why Ircher hard defends Yume as either alignment this way whilst being scum himself.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

ircher is doing terrible at derailing. good correction deimos. gold star

Yeah I mean I'm really not convinced
I see this level of hard defense from scum all the time on their TMIs
Often the thought behind it is really not that deep
It's just "I could protect this townie and it could either pocket them or hopefully get big towncred" without much nuance

And in this case Ircher is very widely scumread they don't have good reason to think their word would have weight

anyway

Are you even voting Ircher yet?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Ircher just disappears the moment they get shot
Coincidence?

He's busy Googling anime gifs.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Deep down I was wondering if the colorful parrot was scum but I keep flip flopping on them. So. Yeah. Idk, what do others think?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Deep down I was wondering if the colorful parrot was scum but I keep flip flopping on them. So. Yeah. Idk, what do others think?
~C

I have a tendency to scumread ppl that scumread me, because generally that tends to give me higher chance of finding scum.
I do think that Taly forgetting my claim probably means he's town tho, that's like... something scum would keep a record of?

Likely but there's also the chance they know but forget for convenience since you're not around to defend yourself and the game is so loaded others probably forgot.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

The only thing that makes sense to me is if both Ircher and Vic are scum from what's happened or both town. It's not WKing because that's too obvious and he's doing it wrong.

If Ircher is town then I would lock in Vic assuming Irchers role is somewhat informed about Vics role.

It bothers me that it took Deimos this long to finally vote Ircher.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

If Ircher is town then I would lock in Vic assuming Irchers role is somewhat informed about Vics role.

I will be clear here: I do not have a mechanical reason to believe Victorine is town.

@Mo Did you try working out the logic?

OK.. but say you're limmed, do you still want Vic as lock town?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I need to stop repeating the same word multiple times in my texts.

Presumably.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

But yeah if Firebringer remembers I'm sure he'll find me saying "Get off rat" to be hilarious

i reread that game and jogging my memory didn't help me.
but i will laugh with u regardless

Funny repeated line telling my hydra to stop voting admiral ratbar, who was scum

This sounds familiar.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Get off Rat.

- Uzi

The good old days. I think that was one of my fav games ever.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Maybe we should go back to wagoning Gamma.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Anything uPick Votecount 1.75:

Gamma Emerald (9): Taly, Ydrasse, Deimos27, Good Luck Buddy, Ircher, Sakura Hana, T3, Cheeky Wings, Queen
Deimos27 (2): Datisi, Gamma Emerald
Cheeky Wings (1): Ratmans
Victorine (1): Titus
Sakura Hana (1): Victorine
Ircher (1): Gypyx
Queen (0):
Good Luck Buddy (0):
Datisi (0):
Loftwing (0):
Jjh927 (0):
Ydrasse (0):
Clemency (0):
Galron (0):
T3 (0):
Gypyx (0):
Titus (0):
Grandpa (0):
Ratmans (0):
Taly (0):

Not Voting: Clemency, Galron, Grandpa, Loftwing, Jjh927

With 20 alive it's 11 to lim.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-11-20 21:00:00).

Anything uPick Votecount 1.123:

Gamma Emerald (6): Ydrasse, Good Luck Buddy, Ircher, Something_Smart, Sakura Hana, Ratmans
Ircher (4): Gypyx, Titus, Galron, T3
Victorine (3): Jjh927, Deimos27, Datisi
Galron (2): GrandpaMo, Clemency
Clemency (2): Taly, Gamma Emerald
Sakura Hana (1): Victorine
Cheeky Wings (0):
Deimos27 (0):
Loftwing (0):
Something_Smart (0):
Good Luck Buddy (0):
Datisi (0):
Jjh927 (0):
Ydrasse (0):
T3 (0):
Gypyx (0):
Titus (0):
GrandpaMo (0):
Ratmans (0):
Taly (0):

Not Voting: Loftwing, Cheeky Wings

With 20 alive it's 11 to lim.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-11-20 21:00:00).

Gamma what do you make of the people who haven't moved from voting you and the people who have moved?
Scummiest slots?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

So finally getting through the last 25+ pages or so, I think one of the following is likely true:

A) Ircher is town with an extremely good read on town!Victorine.
B) Ircher is scum with a tmi town read on her.
C) Ircher is traitor who is willing to die for his non-traitor buddy.

Ircher’s Taly read is whack. Yes it’s true, Cheeky and myself have been spending alot of time debating Taly’s alignment. For me particularly, I didn’t understand why Taly has so many posts talking about himself specifically but I now have come to the conclusion that it’s more likely than not role related.

I agree with jjh that it really makes 0 sense for Taly scum or scum in general to do complete read reversals like that, because what exactly does scum!Taly have to gain by doing this? Especially his Gamma read for example. Why does scum!Taly acheive by almost running Gamma up only to townblock him? Unless someone has a valid reason to think they’re buddies or something and I really don’t see that all. I also think Deimos is really town as well, so I think B or C is more likely than A for Ircher.

Whomever said that he might possibly be trying to get Victorine limled over him could also possibly mean that I have the roles reversed if C but B could equally be as likely if he’s scum. The fact is that Ircher town very effectively reversed his lim by being okay with dying in Yin/Yang so he could possibly be replicating that as scum? Idk know anymore but can’t confidently rule out A) either. Outside chance as well of town!Ircher possibly being wrong on scum!Victorine but I like that possibility the least followed by A.

I think the only reason as town that you should ever be willing to sacrifice yourself for another player is A) your role is negative utility B) you’re vt and they’re tpr C) you think they will be more effective in endgame. Ircher has not given us any indication so far of A. B is unknown but extremely unlikely in an RC uPick and C clearly makes 0 sense, so that makes me lean towards Ircher more likely than not being scum, irrespective of whatever V flips.

Thoughts?

@Ircher maybe you should claim?

[Cheeky Wings]

Kind of weird that the thread consensus is either "taly is towny but odd takes" or "taly be deepwolfing and has big brain plans"

i feel misrepresented.
my take is taly might be town and has BAD takes

Which are? I mean other than Sakura who I think has been really townie. Besides that?

[Cheeky Wings]

townbloc:

GMO/Gamma/Ydrasse/Taly/CheekyWings

this only has one good person for a town block.

Do you sr any of these or just don’t confidently tr them?

[Cheeky Wings]

townbloc:

GMO/Gamma/Ydrasse/Taly/CheekyWings

this only has one good person for a town block.

Do you sr any of these or just don’t confidently tr them?

@GLB

Also where is Pooky? What does he think? No offence FB but I don’t put all that much stock into your reads unless Pooky signs off on them.

[Cheeky Wings]

Fire

wtf is this

You're actually being somewhat serious and investigating people on a layered level while showing some trepidation in pursuing suspicion.

And I'm intentionally relying on gut and moonlogic while being vague on what that means for me and others.

Who are we anymore

Spoiler:

[Cheeky Wings]

Why does

kittybell

games end in identity crises

The lack of ? is deliberate.

It’s multiball and RC is obviously a cult leader.

[Cheeky Wings]

So I get your vex, but that just makes me more curious who you think is the good pick from my block?

CheekyNancy

But even that i don't think i can work with those two this game. so if u take a townblock to mean people working together and u townread all of them very hard. then none of them

Why don’t you think you can work with either Cheeky or me?

[Cheeky Wings]

Why don’t you think you can work with either Cheeky or me?

Why do u think u can work with me

You’re the one who said that you don’t think either of us could work with you, which - considering the fact that Cheeky and me are mindmelding on very little - I would think you should based on that alone be able to work with at least one of us?

True, I obviously work much better with Pooky, which is why I’m sad he’s not taking the game seriously.

Fyi, I’m not opposed to Victorine, I just want to understand why Ircher isn’t better.

[Cheeky Wings]

Nancy u can vote victorine.

Can you answer my question first?

[Cheeky Wings]

Why don’t you think you can work with either Cheeky or me?

Why do u think u can work with me

You’re the one who said that you don’t think either of us could work with you, which - considering the fact that Cheeky and me are mindmelding on very little - I would think you should based on that alone be able to work with at least one of us?

True, I obviously work much better with Pooky, which is why I’m sad he’s not taking the game seriously.

Fyi, I’m not opposed to Victorine, I just want to understand why Ircher isn’t better.

cheeky doesn't trust me.
u don't take any stock in my reads.

why the fuck am i having this argument with u. u self admitted all these things.
I have nothing to work with u.

You’re the one being difficult? I want to know why V is better than Ircher and you still haven’t answered that.

[Cheeky Wings]

I didn’t phrase it right, I would take stock in them if either I mindmeld with you or you manage to convince me.

@Fire

[Cheeky Wings]

I think it's funny how there are full games with fewer posts than the cheeky hydra in this incomplete day 1

I usually post alot less but this is currently the only mafia game I’m in so I’m bored.

[Cheeky Wings]

You’re the one being difficult?

i never claimed im easy to work with
im actually a bit hostile to both of u

and i hope me answering this doesn't add on another couple hundred pages.
we don't need to work together here. i think ur town. if u think im not then w/e
i don't wish to continue engaging in convo on things that i don't think are helping u or me solve and aren't even fun/funny

pedit. I am not going to convince or attempt to convince u of anything nancy

Why are you “hostile” to me? And why won’t you explain why you think V > Ircher? It’s a fucking simple question ffs!

[Cheeky Wings]

I didn’t phrase it right, I would take stock in them if either I mindmeld with you or you manage to convince me.

@Fire

Look, sorry if I offended you but I sincerely would like an answer to my question, please?

[Cheeky Wings]

just scumread us.
im done with this convo.
ur so fucking frustrating.

Me: I don't want to continue talking to u about pointless shit
You: Well why don't u want to continue talking about pointless shit?

I am supposed to be having fun.

I wouldn’t be if you just made some good faith attempt to answer my question. I’m trying to decide between Ircher and V and you’re not helping.

[Cheeky Wings]

im not offended nancy. I am just annoyed that u pressing on things i say i don't see the point in engaging in, because
A) its not going to convince u of anything
B) ur just gonna ask more follow up questions
C) i am pretty explicitly telling u. I don't wish to continue this convo, and u don't respect that. (and frankly im not respecting it either because i should literally stop responding because now im just encouraging it)

Asking you why you think I should vote Victorine > Ircher isn’t pointless anything, so why are you being such a drama queen about that?

I sincerely want to know why you think this?

[Cheeky Wings]

Victorine is closer to lim, so if you want to end the day Victorine is the best vote
the disconnect is potentially that fire assumes you want to end the day rn

I just think Ircher being willing to fall on his sword here for V is weird and all FB’s doing is telling people to vote V without explaining why and I’m not going to have my voted decided based on whether or not someone is irritated with me or not, for whatever reasons.

[Cheeky Wings]

Morning Fire xx. Just thought I'd say ilu even if you're scum <3
Pooky probs right about going for low posters in this environment but it would probably take another 500 pages to get everyone to agree on a new wagon.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Victorine is closer to lim, so if you want to end the day Victorine is the best vote
the disconnect is potentially that fire assumes you want to end the day rn

If most people are onboard with that I’ll vote her but I hear several posts saying that they sr Ircher, so I want to understand the reasoning for why V is better.

Ircher seems to care way more about her survival than she does.

[Cheeky Wings]

Morning Fire xx. Just thought I'd say ilu even if you're scum <3

if ur scum i consider this post to be pure evil emotional manipulation.
but sure i love u 2.
but i don't want to work with u 2 this game either lol

I’m not and your hydra partner knows that so why even make this post? If you’re trying to get me to doubt you, then, congrats - mission fucking accomplished.

I just think you’re being extremely silly wrt to me but that’s on you. I’m very clearly trying and you’re being impossible.

[Cheeky Wings]

I don't understand the votes on

Vic

from people who also scumread

Ircher

.

If anything

Ircher

is the likelier scum if they are T/S and I don't think T/T is out of the question.

This. Would rather vote Ircher, rather than succumb to an apathy wagon on Vic.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I don't understand the votes on

Vic

from people who also scumread

Ircher

.

If anything

Ircher

is the likelier scum if they are T/S and I don't think T/T is out of the question.

That’s precisely what I’ve been saying. Hallelujah I’m actually not losing my mind afterall.

[Cheeky Wings]

So finally getting through the last 25+ pages or so, I think one of the following is likely true:

A) Ircher is town with an extremely good read on town!Victorine.
B) Ircher is scum with a tmi town read on her.
C) Ircher is traitor who is willing to die for his non-traitor buddy.

Ircher’s Taly read is whack. Yes it’s true, Cheeky and myself have been spending alot of time debating Taly’s alignment. For me particularly, I didn’t understand why Taly has so many posts talking about himself specifically but I now have come to the conclusion that it’s more likely than not role related.

I agree with jjh that it really makes 0 sense for Taly scum or scum in general to do complete read reversals like that, because what exactly does scum!Taly have to gain by doing this? Especially his Gamma read for example. Why does scum!Taly acheive by almost running Gamma up only to townblock him? Unless someone has a valid reason to think they’re buddies or something and I really don’t see that all. I also think Deimos is really town as well, so I think B or C is more likely than A for Ircher.

Whomever said that he might possibly be trying to get Victorine limled over him could also possibly mean that I have the roles reversed if C but B could equally be as likely if he’s scum. The fact is that Ircher town very effectively reversed his lim by being okay with dying in Yin/Yang so he could possibly be replicating that as scum? Idk know anymore but can’t confidently rule out A) either. Outside chance as well of town!Ircher possibly being wrong on scum!Victorine but I like that possibility the least followed by A.

I think the only reason as town that you should ever be willing to sacrifice yourself for another player is A) your role is negative utility B) you’re vt and they’re tpr C) you think they will be more effective in endgame. Ircher has not given us any indication so far of A. B is unknown but extremely unlikely in an RC uPick and C clearly makes 0 sense, so that makes me lean towards Ircher more likely than not being scum, irrespective of whatever V flips.

Thoughts?

@Ircher maybe you should claim?

@Taly

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

The overall impression I am getting from Taly is he is struggling to get actually in the game. This is evidenced by each of his constant backtracking on reads. To be clear, one or two read reversals are fine, but it seems he tries to start a wagon, it gains some momentum, and then suddenly he is no longer interested in it. This just seems really strange. This combined with the higher level of aggression equates a scum read.

Do you not think that is Taly readjusting reads in light of new content brought about by wagon pressure? Because that's what I think that is

For Deimos, he strikes me as the most likely deepscum. Should I be making such reads rn? Probably not, but I am anyway.

I don't particularly understand this argument. Is Deimos too towny for your liking? Is he bringing the game in a direction you dislike but in a relatively towny way? Is he someone you scumread for other reasons while you feel lots of people townread him?

You're gonna have to elaborate on why you actually think Deimos is scum besides just calling him deepscum

Do you not think that is Taly readjusting reads in light of new content brought about by wagon pressure? Because that's what I think that is

It's possible sure. But the other aspect is he keeps going from super confident someone is going to flip scum to a complete read reversal of being committed they are town. It's unusual behavior, and I am associating that with scum-indicative.

pedit: To be clear, I'm not actively townreading Deimos, but I would also be lying if I said there were any specific posts I actively scum read.

That's how I play too. Making apparently super confident pushes are how you make pressure. You have to embellish a bit and then ultimately make the decision based on the push of whether you're gonna elim there or not. If you're not gonna elim there after all it's because you have decided they are probably town

I am town if and only if I am not town.

Liar

Can you go back to discussing Taly with me, Ircher

Jjh what was your read on Ircher after this?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

this is an interesting turnaround from how CW was treating firebear before, where they were calling them obvtown but specifically predicating that w me being scum, imo firebear has been towny w/out needing that consideration which made the insistence on reading them thru me kinda distressing for how I viewed CW
but ig what reads as interesting also completely checks out when I put it that way?

that was when pooky was main poster.
when i became main poster it was different

I’m pretty decent at reading Pooky and for that reason, I still think you’re town but if you had been playing solo, I would probably be null on you.

However your defence of Sakura read townie to me but outside from my Pooky read, that’s all I’ve got.

[Cheeky Wings]

this is an interesting turnaround from how CW was treating firebear before, where they were calling them obvtown but specifically predicating that w me being scum, imo firebear has been towny w/out needing that consideration which made the insistence on reading them thru me kinda distressing for how I viewed CW
but ig what reads as interesting also completely checks out when I put it that way?

My read on Pooky had 0 connection to my read on you. I don’t understand why you would even think otherwise?

[Cheeky Wings]

mission fucking accomplished.

we did it reddit

If I post a pic of a large jar of honey, would it get Pooky to post? Because I’ll do whatever it takes, no lie.

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Ircher

[Cheeky Wings]

I am town if and only if I am not town.

Wtf does this even mean?

[Cheeky Wings]

mission fucking accomplished.

we did it reddit

If I post a pic of a large jar of honey, would it get Pooky to post? Because I’ll do whatever it takes, no lie.

@Fire, please use you powers of persuasion or whatever. Thanks because you are being extremely unhelpful and unnecessarily antagonistic towards me.

[Cheeky Wings]

this is an interesting turnaround from how CW was treating firebear before, where they were calling them obvtown but specifically predicating that w me being scum, imo firebear has been towny w/out needing that consideration which made the insistence on reading them thru me kinda distressing for how I viewed CW
but ig what reads as interesting also completely checks out when I put it that way?

My read on Pooky had 0 connection to my read on you. I don’t understand why you would even think otherwise?

because you (or cheeky, one of you) brought it up a lot how my scumflip would "spew GLB as town"

OIC but that has nothing to do with you specifically, rather because your hypothetical scumflip would spew him town due to Pooky having a no bussing meta. So it could be pretty much any slot that would have caused me to reach that particular conclusion.

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE:

???

[Cheeky Wings]

I am town if and only if I am not town.

Wtf does this even mean?

@Ircher why did you make this post?

[Cheeky Wings]

Here's the main question tho, why a presumably "town" player who presumably has no info would want to sacrifice themselves for a player whose alignment presumably they dont know.

@Ircher

If you dont have a mech clear on Vic then why is eliminating you first the mechanically correct option?

+1

My concern is that if V flips town, no one worries about Ircher where as if V does nothing D2, I’m totally fine yeeting her off the planet.
.

[Cheeky Wings]

Something that's been bugging me is why Ircher is so insistent that we lim Victorine and then him. I don't know maybe I missed a claim or something but why is Ircher so invested in that? As much as I'd like to stay on Victorine and end the day, I think the better vote right now is probably Ircher. This is hardly an independent thought -- Taly & Cheeky's last few posts got me to thinking about it.

VOTE: Ircher

No, it’s the exact converse. He’s insisting that he be limmed before her.

[Cheeky Wings]

Something that's been bugging me is why Ircher is so insistent that we lim Victorine and then him. I don't know maybe I missed a claim or something but why is Ircher so invested in that? As much as I'd like to stay on Victorine and end the day, I think the better vote right now is probably Ircher. This is hardly an independent thought -- Taly & Cheeky's last few posts got me to thinking about it.

VOTE: Ircher

Ircher is saying to lim himself before Vic but that we ideally never lim Vic. Not sure how you got the inverse from reading.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Spoiler:

The overall impression I am getting from Taly is he is struggling to get actually in the game. This is evidenced by each of his constant backtracking on reads. To be clear, one or two read reversals are fine, but it seems he tries to start a wagon, it gains some momentum, and then suddenly he is no longer interested in it. This just seems really strange. This combined with the higher level of aggression equates a scum read.

Do you not think that is Taly readjusting reads in light of new content brought about by wagon pressure? Because that's what I think that is

For Deimos, he strikes me as the most likely deepscum. Should I be making such reads rn? Probably not, but I am anyway.

I don't particularly understand this argument. Is Deimos too towny for your liking? Is he bringing the game in a direction you dislike but in a relatively towny way? Is he someone you scumread for other reasons while you feel lots of people townread him?

You're gonna have to elaborate on why you actually think Deimos is scum besides just calling him deepscum

Do you not think that is Taly readjusting reads in light of new content brought about by wagon pressure? Because that's what I think that is

It's possible sure. But the other aspect is he keeps going from super confident someone is going to flip scum to a complete read reversal of being committed they are town. It's unusual behavior, and I am associating that with scum-indicative.

pedit: To be clear, I'm not actively townreading Deimos, but I would also be lying if I said there were any specific posts I actively scum read.

That's how I play too. Making apparently super confident pushes are how you make pressure. You have to embellish a bit and then ultimately make the decision based on the push of whether you're gonna elim there or not. If you're not gonna elim there after all it's because you have decided they are probably town

I am town if and only if I am not town.

Liar

Can you go back to discussing Taly with me, Ircher

Jjh what was your read on Ircher after this?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Is it sad that the first thing that came to mind with Talys story was, "I hope he doesn't get covid."
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I am willing to vote someone other than Victorine on the grounds that Yume is incapable of killing me

Like who?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Glad you got better Taly. It's only just now spreading around NZ so I'm a little more than paranoid about people not wearing masks and being too close.
Interesting new wagon, not sure we'll join just yet. Initially got town pings from gypx but they haven't been around much since so not opposed.
Jjh and glb looking betterish.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Is sleeping in way too late with no clear cause a sign of depression? I feel like that’s been happening to me

It can be. Don't beat yourself up about though, take care of and be kind to yourself.
See a doc if you have other symptoms that don't get better in a couple of weeks.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

This is where I am right now

Locktown: Good Luck Buddy, Cheeky Wings, Taly, Deimos27, Datisi
Hard town: Sakura Hana, Titus, T3, Loftwing, Ratmans, Gamma Emerald
Day 1 "Town": Ircher, Something_Smart, Galron, Ydrasse, GrandpaMo
Scumlean: Clemency, Victorine
Scum: Gypyx

Not Known 15: Not Known 15

Datisi as locktown, is it a meta read? I know they're busy with other things but the wim is all over the place from that slot. I had them as lock which dropped a bit since.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Jjh and glb looking betterish.

Agreeing on jjh mayhaps
GLB still inconclusive

Actually yeah, but I'm trying to give fire the reasonable side of me until I feel like not being reasonable anymore.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

A part of me is low-key worried that jjh, taly, glb all on the same team. But I've repressed that, bottled it up real tight which shouldn't lead to any problems down the track >.>

Pedit you're right my lock town is like strong town. My reads change like the wind.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Lmao I love it when people surmise realities of me being scum with players I openly question if they pocket me

Happens most games at this point. Can't blame em tbh

Do you largely agree with jjh's realistic?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Reads list*

[Cheeky Wings]

And I am ever the answerer
VOTE: Gypyx

VOTE: gypyx
I’m not rlly confident about this but his post responding to me having him in my rando solve was just, bad. Definitely don’t like him trying to sow paranoia with me.

He’s not even ellitelling last time I checked.

[Cheeky Wings]

I remember someone else earlier also wanted Gypyx but i cant remember who

Pooky did

Oh and firekitty gets a townread

Can I exchange this townread for an extra rare yugioh card

Since we not going to end anytime soon
VOTE: Ircher
Might as well sheep Sakura on her questioning of ircher

It was mine initially. I questioned Ircher before she did.

[Cheeky Wings]

And I am ever the answerer
VOTE: Gypyx

VOTE: gypyx
I’m not rlly confident about this but his post responding to me having him in my rando solve was just, bad. Definitely don’t like him trying to sow paranoia with me.

He’s not even ellitelling last time I checked.

What games is he even in, is the question

As a player? Couldn’t find any.

[Cheeky Wings]

@mod please prod gypyx, thanks.

[Cheeky Wings]

As a player? Couldn’t find any.

Okay so why does this matter? It’s like when you said AA9 was ellitelling while she was moderating a game. Not saying you bringing it up makes you suspicious, but you need to fact-check whether ellitell even rlly should be brought up.

And your point is? I’m saying he isn’t as a player because that might actually be fucking relevant.

[Cheeky Wings]

Anyone else interesting in trolling me in this game?

[Cheeky Wings]

Anyone else interesting in trolling me in this game?

Sorry, I was pissed at FB, shouldn’t be taking that out on you.

[Cheeky Wings]

Jjh I would like u to convince me of town Taly at some point

Did you read my disagreement with Ircher

if i did i don't remember it. ill go back and read it in a bit.

@nancy i don't remember u raising it but okay.
also to cheeky u don't need to call me town for u to to be "reasonable to me" like...thats like weird. u could just take what im saying at face value and u can still call me scum.

What have you said that I'm not taking at face value tho? I mean, you'll always be scum in my heart. I just don't know why you're so irritated with us when we have barely spoken to you this game.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Jjh I would like u to convince me of town Taly at some point

Did you read my disagreement with Ircher

if i did i don't remember it. ill go back and read it in a bit.

@nancy i don't remember u raising it but okay.
also to cheeky u don't need to call me town for u to to be "reasonable to me" like...thats like weird. u could just take what im saying at face value and u can still call me scum.

Look I’m truly sorry if you felt I was being disrespectful to you earlier. I’m bummed Pooky isn’t posting more which isn’t your doing and perhaps I was being unfair to you about that. It’s just that he and I mindleld together extremely well.

I do think you’re town ftr. I sometimes don’t really realize that I can come across as dismissive. It’s something I’m trying hard to change.

[Cheeky Wings]

My point is you brought up something that basically doesn’t matter because he’s not playing other games. I don’t think anything of it but by bringing it up out-of-turn you make yourself an easier target for anyone looking to bring you down.

How?

[Cheeky Wings]

And they lived happily ever after. *happy tear*
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

nancy i am not hurt by ur statements on what u think of me as a player or that u would prefer to work with pooky. i am a big boy and understand that i am an average at best player. u do not need to apologize for those comments.

i was specifically annoyed by how u question dump me on stuff i didn't think was important/and or useful which annoys me far more than anyone calling me bad at mafia

I did that because you wanted me to vote Victorine and I wanted to understand your reasoning for why V was a better wagon than Ircher.

[Cheeky Wings]

and then killed each other the following week most likely.
look its a complicated relationship

Lmfao. It's funny because it's true
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Anyway FB, I just want us to try and get along better, because needless sniping on either of our ends. is something I’d just rather not have to be dealing with. It makes me not want to be in this game. :/

[Cheeky Wings]

And this is kind of new territory of play for me regardless of my precious meta.

In what way?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

And this is kind of new territory of play for me regardless of my precious meta.

What do you think of this Nancy?

I’m really not sure what to think since I’m really not clear on exactly what you mean?

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My inertia broke when Toog misfired

Didn't want to backtrack on Gamma

Felt other wagons and convos Didn't give me much to grasp.

It is strange though, yes. I typically have a stronger internal compass.

I combatted this inner state by actively going against the thread woth read progression. That wasn't my intention to resist, but it was the most authentic way to express my POV and get my head in the game.

Basically I'm not saying that my reads are a way to grab the gamestate or a concrete solve. They're really what I think in the moment.

It reads like Queen the android wrote it tbh.
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Anyway FB, I just want us to try and get along better, because needless sniping on either of our ends. is something I’d just rather not have to be dealing with. It makes me not want to be in this game. :/

i mean if u got any good zingers to throw at me. i want to hear them

I’ll let you know, promise.

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I only have one really messy game where taly was scum and town to off of, so I wouldn't be against reading some old games if Taly would oblige a most recent scum and town game.
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And this is kind of new territory of play for me regardless of my precious meta.

In what way?
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Details yet to be seen but

I'm more apt to arrest thread control or try to.

Not afraid to admit gut reads or literally anything that can come off as anti-transparent or incriminating from me.

Would like to be less serious.

Well I guess when you alter your playstyle, people tend to ask questions until they get used to it. So now, you, Deimos, Sakura, Fire and myself seem to be mindmelding on Ircher, so I like that and that’s probably the best answer I can give to you at this time.

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My point is you brought up something that basically doesn’t matter because he’s not playing other games. I don’t think anything of it but by bringing it up out-of-turn you make yourself an easier target for anyone looking to bring you down.

How?

It might be painted as you shading Gypyx, iunno
I’ve said what feel I need to say on this matter and pressing me further I think will just make me uncomfortable. I’m pretty sure you’re town because my one seed of doubt kinda shriveled and died

How? I see it as the complete inverse of that. I don’t want to make anyone uncomfortable but I will question and comment on anything I view as relevant. Anyway, I’m fine not pursuing this any further.

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Not even a full page waiting for me. Pick up the pace slackers!
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@Mo I understand the connection to everyone but FB. What in Vic’s posts references Fire?

Also @jjh if it is in fact tmi, if V were to flip town, what tmi could that possibly be then?

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Grandpa seems to get defensive when his motives are in question. His biggest posts are those explaining his actions.
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What is boggling my mind is so many people are suss on Ircher but don’t want to vote him and I really don’t understand this at all.

If those people thought there really wasn’t a good reason to suss on Ircher, fine because that obviously makes sense but I just don’t understand this dichotomy.

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Gypyx does not even exist on the face of the earth why are we voting there

Gypyx not existing is how he had escaped my notice until now but I did not like his iso when I went through it

i'd be real interested in you developping there

+1

I would as well.

@jjh have you completely lost your Ircher suspicions now?

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@jjh have you completely lost your Ircher suspicions now?

No but mostly

I think he's like 65-70% town, which is to say he has above rand chances of being scum but is still probably not scum

If he’s 65-70% likely town, then how does he have “above rand chances of being scum”?

And if he does in fact have “above rand chances of being scum”, then why is he then “still probably not scum”?

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Jjh can you explain your locktown on Taly? What did you make of his solve?
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I've been in several moods today

And now it's like "well shit what do I do now"

At this point I’m getting increasingly bored and frustrated with this game and almost want to say wake me up when something interesting happens, because unless some dramatic smoking gun were to happen, I think Ircher/Vic currently look like the best wagons but feel currently better about Vic today than Ircher, so I guess I’ll just keep rechecking to see if anything changes I guess.

How much time do we have left now?

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It's because Ircher is scum
I'm voting Ircher

Yes, I'm aware you're scum.

Can you make a case then?

I’d like this day not to drag on forever.

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Nancy’s plea

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No because it would get ignored.

Try me?

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VOTE: Victorine

@RC, Ydra’s current vote in on Victorine not Gamma.

Spoiler:

Wow, I should have been your co-mod

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The fact I usually shitpost as town prior to D2/D3 still gets ignored.

So if Vic doesn’t pick it up D2, I’m happy yeeting her off the planet.

I don’t know what to make of Ircher not answering questions like insisting rat is scum but refusing to give any reasons for this.

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Here's the main question tho, why a presumably "town" player who presumably has no info would want to sacrifice themselves for a player whose alignment presumably they dont know.

I'm going to keep quoting this seems people keep ignoring it.

echo this person

What would you like on your nachos, Titus?

hopefully cheese and jalapenos

I agree with both of these statements, the second one slightly more.

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Ircher or Vic

My vote will probably be determined most by how I read the wagon

Didn't you townread Ircher? How did he get to the bottom of your list?
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If anyone is conveniently a political scientist let me know so I can interview you about state strength for my essay

I'm a lawyer in the US. Don't know if that helps.

Nice!
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Am I wrong for townreading galron and T3, or by being woo'd by jjh's readlist :/
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Claiming Dawn Voyeur; I only detect actions performed during Dawn phases. I may or may not have additional abilities. Gl town; you're going to need it.

dawn meaning daystart or end of night?

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So... why do you sacrifice yourself for Vic again?

Here's the main question tho, why a presumably "town" player who presumably has no info would want to sacrifice themselves for a player whose alignment presumably they dont know.

+1

@Ircher

Also, what is your reasons for sr rat?

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It's because Ircher is scum
I'm voting Ircher

Yes, I'm aware you're scum.

It's because Ircher is scum
I'm voting Ircher

Yes, I'm aware you're scum.

Can you make a case then?

I’d like this day not to drag on forever.

No because it would get ignored.

No because it would get ignored.

Try me?

Here's the main question tho, why a presumably "town" player who presumably has no info would want to sacrifice themselves for a player whose alignment presumably they dont know.

I'm going to keep quoting this seems people keep ignoring it.

echo this person

@Ircher

Why are you not responding to any of this?

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i hope ircher can kill everyone on his wagon

That would also include you, why do you make statements like this?

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i hope ircher can kill everyone on his wagon

That would also include you, why do you make statements like this?

Karma for this day one being like this

And why karma for players on his wagon specifically?

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The game has entered Twilight phase which will last until noon EST tomorrow.

Does this mean the thread will remain unlocked?

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yes

game will be unlocked during twilight but locked during dawn phase

When is the “dawn” phase exactly?

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looks like it.

on one hand i feel like that's a shitty yeet, on the other i am kinda glad this hell of d1 is finally over.

Well Ircher claimed his role worked during the dawn phase specifically, so I’m starting to wonder about that but we don’t know if Vic would have been better and Ircher never answered people’s questions.

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this gives us info regardless.

what info do we get if he flips green. what info do we get if he flips red.

If red, plenty no? If green, we can hopefully find answers in doing VCA.

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Ircher’s vibes are off

my issue with ircher that i’ve been trying to think about is that he feels super... shade-throwy and aggressive and i’m not used to that flavor of ircher (that i can recall) when he’s town, and he tried to draw comparison to a game (yin and yang) when his play feels markedly different than that game to be, but i was scum in that game so idk if i’m not seeing it but meh.

there’s me content for the day. in other news going to drink decaf chesnut praline latte and i’m excited

Ydrasse, you made these statements, Have you since had a change of heart?

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there is a reason why that question was aimed at gmo.

Oh sorry then, I thought it was also general.

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If green, we can hopefully find answers in doing VCA.

*Shudders*

Wagon analysis can be useful sometimes.

also its interesting that ircher is voting ratmans hmmm .

i hope ur aint lurking ircher and can at least give us legacy reads

He called him scum but never gave any reasons and he also never answered why he was willing to die > Vic.

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If green, we can hopefully find answers in doing VCA.

*Shudders*

Wagon analysis can be useful sometimes.

wagon analysis is difffernt than vc analysis tho

How?

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so like why did ircher just lay down and die.

Well if he didn’t answer this pre-hammer, I won’t be holding my breath on that post-hammer.

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If green, we can hopefully find answers in doing VCA.

*Shudders*

Wagon analysis can be useful sometimes.

wagon analysis is difffernt than vc analysis tho

How?

wagon analysis is where you look at the specific wagon that happened and look at everyone's vote around that hammer >>

"i wanna do a wagon analysis on ircher' would mean that u will look at everyone's reasons and interactions around voting ircher.

vote count analysis is where you look at the whole votecount it self and see why is everyone voting the person they are and how that has in relation to the game

"i wanna do a votecount analysis" would mean that you will look at everyone's votes and see where everyone is placed where you would make assumptions and conclusions bout certain stuff >>> generating u associative reads etc

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Anyway, I am also a supersaint, so bye bye T3.

Why didn’t you claim that ffs?

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Anyway, I am also a supersaint, so bye bye T3.

Why didn’t you claim that ffs?

Because then no one would be willing to hammer.

That’s antitown af and T3 is one of my strongest townreads, so I really hope you’re actually scum and not just scumsiding.

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My solve is currently something like Taly/Deimos27/ratmans/Gypyx/T3.

For townreads: Cheeky, Sakura, Good Luck, Victorine, jjh927, Smart

pedit: Supersaint kills the hammerer. Otherwise, I would have just self-hammered.

You probably would never have been wagoned in the first place had you made this post. What if one of your strong trs had hammered you?

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Supersaint kills the hammerer. Otherwise, I would have just self-hammered.

My interpretation is they pick.

You’re confusing that with vengeful.

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for not hammering someone like 3k posts ago

That prolly would’ve been me so uhhhh, pass on that?

If I had known Ircher was SS, I probably wouldn’t have fought Vic wagon so if Ircher’s town, we’ve now probably lost two towns, so that would be like 4 fucking town dead in that case and we have yet to have a single NK.