Anything uPick (Endgame)

[Cheeky Wings]

Supersaint kills the hammerer. Otherwise, I would have just self-hammered.

My interpretation is they pick.

You’re confusing that with vengeful.

Thanks.

Can I get your active nullreads? I want to ISO at least one person during the night phase to get back into the game.

Probably most of the game rn.

Clem maybe?

[Cheeky Wings]

If scum doesn't nk one of the highcount posters I'll never forgive them

Same for you GLB and GE.

Hell anyone can chime in.

“Active nullreads” is kinda a hard thing to come up with because I feel like I can actually provide feelings on a good number of slots atp
Maybe someone like ratmans or Clemency might be good to look into tho?

+1

Check rat.

[Cheeky Wings]

I'm going to lose my shit if CW dies before I do this game

Well hopefully someone or maybe something might possibly protect us?

[Cheeky Wings]

Where'd T3 go?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

T3 is dead and we killed him.

You mean Ircher because he didn’t out his being SS but he can still post in twilight. No one but toog/Koba is actually dead yet.

[Cheeky Wings]

T3 final reads bruv.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

My solve is currently something like Taly/Deimos27/ratmans/Gypyx/T3.

For townreads: Cheeky, Sakura, Good Luck, Victorine, jjh927, Smart

pedit: Supersaint kills the hammerer. Otherwise, I would have just self-hammered.

lmao this solve sucks

What's your solve?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

It's only words, but words are all I have.
~forum mafia anthem.

[Cheeky Wings]

and T3 is highly likely to be town

why

I agree with jjh, T3 was one of my most confident trs. I personally hate the SS role, I think venge is alot better. I was SS bomb in a previous RC uPick and it never got used. My flavour in that game was barrel of claustrophobic flying monkeys.

[Cheeky Wings]

Shh stop spewing yourselves town it's not fair to my scumteam during twilight.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

i had an out of body experience while the beginning effects of the covid booster was coming on

and no, those event aren't connected ive just been very intense tonight

so bye

Taly is down unfortunately

[Cheeky Wings]

11

you're supposed to be counting

I tried for 7 but Titus swooped in and beat me.

[Cheeky Wings]

Me and Cheeky are currently lost in our PT, trying to figure the gamestate.

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This was a pretty anti-town way of using a supersaint, Ircher

What made you think it was mechanically optimal for you to get elimed here? You're pretty likely to just hit town

+1

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[Cheeky Wings]

Yeah you should probably do last reads and shit

Don't claim just in case it's not real though but it probably is

Yeah obviously no reason to claim but yeah this.

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Wake me up when something interesting

less depressing

happens.

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[Cheeky Wings]

Are you introducing the manipulated genes into germ cells? Sounds like crispr.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I'm debating whether or not to Google this fly gene.
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~C

[Cheeky Wings]

So in terms of anti spew which is scummier? Posting anime or counting to 500.or being T3 rn.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

My current analysis of the gamestate.

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I think it should be relatively trivial to get GMo and Taly to say they scumread GLB given their activity, though it's more important with the former

For Clemency and Victorine, just bully them a bit if they come online and post

For Gypyx, bully him a lot for trying to sneak that one past

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[Cheeky Wings]

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So we're still waiting on 4 people

Victorine the evasive, Clemency the elusive, Gypyx the sneaky, and Loftwing the forgotten

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Not fully awake yet

[Cheeky Wings]

@jjh Would you tr me if I say it?

Why don’t you just say it then?

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[Cheeky Wings]

Don’t know what Ircher was thinking but I’m glad that T3 is still alive and the SS thing was bogus. Happy there’s no deaths anyway.

[Cheeky Wings]

Hi NK how much have you paid attention to while on mute?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

We have all the choice in the world right now

Victorine scumposted at EOD and is highly likely to flip scum. Also, imagine trying to kill me as scum!Yume. That shit doesn't work no matter how many times you try.

I reckon GrandpaMo is highly likely to flip scum

And of course we have the infamously sneaky Gypyx who

Citation needed.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

What's the post record for D2?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Here's why:

i still don't understand ircher confidence on victorine and he has spent more time arguing about how he determines a confidence level than he has on explain why he is actually confident enough about victorine to justify the statement of "why not yeet ME first and then not victorine"

like u should be dead certain and ready to justify that read if ur willing to put ur own head in the guillotine. And here we just get "trust me"
I swear ircher is actually trying to get victorine yeeted with these bad level defense.

the reverse psychology game

This is shading of Ircher whilst going for victorine.

Nancy u can vote victorine.

going for victorine.

Almost 500 post in 19 hours

then vote victorine.
if u want a day to end. vote for biggest wagon.

continuing...

i think ircher willing to fall on the sword is weird too.
I think we can examine that tomorrow.

shading again, subtly, yet pushing for "tomorrow"

Can I exchange this townread for an extra rare yugioh card

Since we not going to end anytime soon
VOTE: Ircher
Might as well sheep Sakura on her questioning of ircher

Fishing for an excuse despite shading previously.

It is clear.

Spoiler: If you are still not convinced that they are a witch...

Do you think JJH is their minion or puppet?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

We let Victorine live today as per Irchers request. Fine with gypyx, not GMo yet.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

We let Victorine live today as per Irchers request. Fine with gypyx, not GMo yet.
~C

uh, why should we do something that scum asked for? Like, don't get me wrong, we don't have to vote victorine, but pushing the exact opposite...

Oh who's scum that asked for your elimination?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

But Ircher was Town...

Sweet you're both town. Gypyx townslipped and NK wouldn't be pushing glb against the grain as scum.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

That's not a townslip

That's got to be a fake dumbtell

It's too lame. Noone plans to pretend the flip is the opposite to what it is in order to be town read.

Also if Gypyx is scum they wouldn't need to read the flip so there are no reasonable options left aside from them assuming Ircher was scum because the flip wasn't coloured. I have a friend that can relate >.>
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Sigh. Good night.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I accuse Good Luck Buddy of being a WITCH! WE NEED TO BURN THEM AT THE STAKE, NOW!!!!

Whoa. @GLB, you can tell me, is your flavour by any chance Abigail Williams?

[Cheeky Wings]

Here's why:

i still don't understand ircher confidence on victorine and he has spent more time arguing about how he determines a confidence level than he has on explain why he is actually confident enough about victorine to justify the statement of "why not yeet ME first and then not victorine"

like u should be dead certain and ready to justify that read if ur willing to put ur own head in the guillotine. And here we just get "trust me"
I swear ircher is actually trying to get victorine yeeted with these bad level defense.

the reverse psychology game

This is shading of Ircher whilst going for victorine.

Nancy u can vote victorine.

going for victorine.

Almost 500 post in 19 hours

then vote victorine.
if u want a day to end. vote for biggest wagon.

continuing...

i think ircher willing to fall on the sword is weird too.
I think we can examine that tomorrow.

shading again, subtly, yet pushing for "tomorrow"

Can I exchange this townread for an extra rare yugioh card

Since we not going to end anytime soon
VOTE: Ircher
Might as well sheep Sakura on her questioning of ircher

Fishing for an excuse despite shading previously.

It is clear.

Spoiler: If you are still not convinced that they are a witch...

Do you think JJH is their minion or puppet?
~C

He is obviously John Procter and RC is Tituba. I’m a genius.

But seriously @nk15, how are you getting “witch” out of this specifically?

[Cheeky Wings]

We let Victorine live today as per Irchers request. Fine with gypyx, not GMo yet.
~C

We wait to see her make good or not on her claim to do townie things today and then determine that. Ircher also had T3 as scum, so his read won’t determine much for me but I want to see what V does before I make a determination either way on that slot.

[Cheeky Wings]

We let Victorine live today as per Irchers request. Fine with gypyx, not GMo yet.
~C

uh, why should we do something that scum asked for? Like, don't get me wrong, we don't have to vote victorine, but pushing the exact opposite...

Ircher flipped town. Wut

[Cheeky Wings]

That's not a townslip

That's got to be a fake dumbtell

The first implication is that Gypyx didn't read Ircher's flip

That is pretty much an impossibility, so it's faked

Wouldn’t that be seriously dumb though? I mean as dumbtells go, this one probably takes the cake if fake.

[Cheeky Wings]

But Ircher was Town...

Sweet you're both town. Gypyx townslipped and NK wouldn't be pushing glb against the grain as scum.
~C

Sorry, but that townslip is probably fabricated. Town not remembering that the last day elimination was a miselim is extremely unlikely.
It fits with their strange defense of GLB... that they are trying to protect the deepwolf from being dragged out into the light.

Maybe, idk. I’m still not convinced GLB is a deepwolf yet but you’ve got me thinking. I do agree with Cheeky that this looks like your townplay here though.

[Cheeky Wings]

That's not a townslip

That's got to be a fake dumbtell

It's too lame. Noone plans to pretend the flip is the opposite to what it is in order to be town read.

Also if Gypyx is scum they wouldn't need to read the flip so there are no reasonable options left aside from them assuming Ircher was scum because the flip wasn't coloured. I have a friend that can relate >.>
~C

They could but that would be seriously wild. I lean nia on that for the time being. That’s a decent point however, it wasn’t made extremely obvious.

[Cheeky Wings]

Why did you claim that now

so i thought i could get gypyx in a lie or see if he would make up something but t3 got my ability instead

So that must mean you were likely redirected then or something like it? Or scum might have a bus driver possibly?

Hmmm . . . that’s really interesting and doesn’t look great for gypyx then.

[Cheeky Wings]

there’s a redirected/bus driver

so, did taly get redirected? if not, they're probably scum? (the redirector, not taly.)

I think probably yes since T3 is pretty obvtown.

[Cheeky Wings]

Well, if someone tried to target t3 with something and hit gypyx instead that's another story

PEdit: Plausibly yes, but not more than GMo and Victorine

But bus drive/redirect happened on gypyx not Mo or Vic, so why though?

T3 spewed town by this, not that’s a real shock to anyone.

[Cheeky Wings]

I haven't received any notification.

Someone redirected me.

Could there be two of them then or a redirector + bus driver maybe?

[Cheeky Wings]

also i should be clear since we had a nk

i’m a jailkeeper

Ah okay, that makes more sense but it looks like scum didn’t want gypyx targeted. Actually don’t know what this means, unless T3 was the intended nk?

[Cheeky Wings]

2.209 Good Luck Buddy Trial

In a furor over the accusations of witchcraft, the voting for lims has been suspended and a trial is immediately made.

Good Luck Buddy has been accused of witchcraft!

To vote in their favor, use HEAL: Good Luck Buddy. To support the charges, use HURT: Good Luck Buddy. Good Luck Buddy will be found innocent if they receive 8 heal votes before they receive 6 hurt votes.

Votes cannot be changed after being made.

Heal (0):
Hurt (0):

Not voting: Everyone

The day will end in (expired on 2021-12-05 21:00:00).

Wow, this is actually real. Wtf did I sign up for?

[Cheeky Wings]

Nancy what the fuck r u doing

catching up obviously.

[Cheeky Wings]

its actually true

if you read nk15s games

its literally just him throwing over and over again

hes probly town here because if a scum team had nk15 they wouldve shot his ass at night to keep him from throwing

Yeah I agree he’s probably town. I want to vote gypyx but we probably can’t now due to the witch thing. :/

[Cheeky Wings]

nk15 doesnt think

when he is scum, he intentionally tries to game throw by bussing all his teammates

when he is town he intentionally tries to game throw by killing the most obvious town

Town!NK15 deathtunnelled town!me in a game with bad reasoning so yeah.

[Cheeky Wings]

these are not insults

this is my opinion of his play

i dont think he is an idiot

i think he is doing this on purpose

No, I think he probably believes his reasoning is good, so disagree.

[Cheeky Wings]

this is the last game i played with nk15

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86932

you can read the scum pt to see peta screaming at him for being a degenerate game throwing clown

that is not an insult.

he is doing game throwing on purpose

People should read the Stumps’ game scum PT, he was supposed to claim commuter enabler not commuter, which led to him being immediately hammered. Gamma especially was livid.

[Cheeky Wings]

Liming is suspended due to the furor over witchcraft, but another accusation can be made and another trial will be made. The same player can't be placed on trial twice in this day phase.

@nk15, who would you target 2nd and if you want your case to stick, I suggest you let a majority consensus determine that.

[Cheeky Wings]

I think Ydra jk on T3 makes me think that he was the intended nk and scum was responsible for the switch.

@mod is there a limit to the number of witch trials per day?

[Cheeky Wings]

hello i have no idea what's happened but nothing tells me i'm not allowed to post
i've been encased in ice whatever that means

Wow, you too? How is that even possible? @Ydra do you have a double jk? I’ve actually been in a game which had one of those.

[Cheeky Wings]

yes that’s my flavor but i didn’t target you and someone else claimed it already and i targeted neither of the people who claimed it!!!

Well I really can’t see Clemency being the intended nk in any world unless he claimed important tpr but I don’t know what to make of this other than RC is evil.

[Cheeky Wings]

so should i assume given NK15 arguments that Gypyx is town if NK15 is town. Or should I just be ignoring anything NK15 says

i only targeted gypyx last night

I don’t really put too much stock in nk15’s case but gypyx not being jk’d by Ydrasse points to scum being involved in that. Whether or not gypyx is scum or it’s something else I have no clue.

Could gypyx possibly be some kind of role copier?

@Clemency, did you TRY to do anything last night?

[Cheeky Wings]

also nk15...

glb is probably gonna get let off loose.

u either start a trial for town's majority if ur town.

this weird deflect is actually interesting. many ppl scumread glb ind day 1 but actions speak louder than words

HURT: GrandpaMo

Dafuq?

You can’t hurt tag yourself rn. You can only heal or hurt GLB, so idk wtf you’re trying to do here.

[Cheeky Wings]

HURT: GrandpaMo

don't be a masochist and hurt urself. get others to do it for u

it would be funny if i hurt u

hurt me please <3

[Cheeky Wings]

HEAL: GLB

Not convinced by nk15’s reasoning here.

[Cheeky Wings]

Ydrasse was already redirected, what if that role that redirected her also created a new target for her action

I think at this point we should stop speculating until we get a clearer picture of the role distribution via flips and/or claims.

Why?

Not enough info. It isn't going to be productive, it will just clog up the thread. The post volume is high enough.

Unless you have an unlimited number of witch trials, how can that possibly hurt?

[Cheeky Wings]

also uh, i guess if we had a bus drive, T3 is the main suspect in the event i flip town

in the event you flip town

????

@gypyx dafuq?

Clemency also claimed the ice thing, so your reasoning makes no sense here.

[Cheeky Wings]

Ydrasse was already redirected, what if that role that redirected her also created a new target for her action

I think at this point we should stop speculating until we get a clearer picture of the role distribution via flips and/or claims.

Why?

Not enough info. It isn't going to be productive, it will just clog up the thread. The post volume is high enough.

Unless you have an unlimited number of witch trials, how can that possibly hurt?

it isd more than one since it was implied in rc's post. im just waiting on the gypyx, vic, or loft trial

Why Loft?

[Cheeky Wings]

6 heals on GLB, most without solid reasons.
2 hurts on GLB.
No more heals please:(

My reasoning is your case didn’t convince me.

We should decided this by majority consensus anyway.

[Cheeky Wings]

[Cheeky Wings]

Gypyx does it make sense to you that something you were targeted with ricocheted onto two others?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Might be a bit late to point this out but on NK vs GLB:
NK has a point about there being a link between Gypyx and GLB.
GLB claims they pushed for Gypyx's elim but when the wagon started on Gypyx via JJH (who GLB was supposedly sheeping) GLB avoided it and "sheeped sakura" onto Ircher.
That was something that bothered me yesterday as well, so if Gypyx does flip red at some point I think the theory deserves more than an instant dismissal.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Clemency voters need to explain how Clemency is currently scummier than a dude who was targeted by 3 players and had the NKs redirected to others.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Clemency

I'll join you, Titus. I expect GMO will too, right GMO?

Just wanted to point out, Titus was wrong on Ircher and Clemency is still a nullread for me atp.

[Cheeky Wings]

NA's* not NKs sorry.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Gypyx does it make sense to you that something you were targeted with ricocheted onto two others?
~C

nope, but tbf three peoples claim to have done stuff to me without me being made aware of anything so there comes a point where i'll just wait for everyone to figure it out y'know

Ydrasse tried to jk you but somehow wound up jking T3 and Clemency instead, so there obviously has to be some connection between you being targeted and them getting NAs meant for you onto them.

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Clemency

I'll join you, Titus. I expect GMO will too, right GMO?

Just wanted to point out, Titus was wrong on Ircher and Clemency is still a nullread for me atp.

Also why tf does scum!Clemency ever claim to be jk’d here when there was a a no kill? I mean seriously, think people.

[Cheeky Wings]

If Clemency is scum then what does that mean for Gypyx/Clemency considering Gypyx was targeted by ydrasse and Clemency was frozen.
T3 has been written off as likely town for the NA to rebound onto him but not Clemency which implies that Titus believes there is the possibility that Gypyx is scum with Clemency.
For that to be true, scum Gypyx goes to Clemency "dude T3 just got townread for being frozen, you should claim you were also frozen so we aren't associated and you get town read" which is just eh. Along with the "fake dumbtell" I think you all aren't using very much reason when there's plenty to work with today.

Did anyone else Target Gypyx aside from ydrasse, taly that all this could make sense to?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

NK witch hunt either Gypyx or Titus today imo.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I think Clemency’s claim points to him being likely town like T3, because it’s like the stupidest scum strategy ever to claim jk’d after a no kill.

[Cheeky Wings]

NK witch hunt either Gypyx or Titus today imo.
~C

@Taly you have a clear on Titus, right?

[Cheeky Wings]

I think gypyx should probably claim because something is weird that both T3 and Clemency claim to be jk’d when he was the intended target but why T3 and especially why Clem?

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Clemency

I'll join you, Titus. I expect GMO will too, right GMO?

Just wanted to point out, Titus was wrong on Ircher and Clemency is still a nullread for me atp.

Also why tf does scum!Clemency ever claim to be jk’d here when there was a a no kill? I mean seriously, think people.

i mean, it's only relevant in a worle where clemency performed the NK, right?

Well it would be stupid to claim that after a no kill, especially for Clemency if scum, so he’s likely telling the truth and town.

[Cheeky Wings]

I accuse Titus of Witchcraft!!!

~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I guess keychain
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I accuse Titus of Witchcraft!!!

~C

and u wanted us to not fight in this game.
But u keep doing stuff that makes me want to fight u.
I swear ur doing it on purpose.

It will be interesting to see if you AtE works for Titus as well as it worked for you. Come at me with how bad I am. Lets go.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Well it would be stupid to claim that after a no kill, especially for Clemency if scum, so he’s likely telling the truth and town.

yeah it's true that there's a bit of this, but i think you're understating how likely scum are to simply say the truth

pedit : lol

Nah, I don’t believe that. You’re saying that Clem’s buddies told him to make himself a target with that? He volunteered this, he wasn’t confronted, so what scum reason would he do this?

[Cheeky Wings]

It will be interesting to see if you AtE works for Titus as well as it worked for you. Come at me with how bad I am. Lets go.
~C

how about we just call me bad and call it a day for this. i am sure i will get annoyed again later.

We have plenty of time for more of this

Why are you even annoyed at me putting Titus on the trial?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I accuse gypyx of witchcraft

[Cheeky Wings]

im not even sure of Titus alignment.
Also can other people actually accuse or did RC just confuse us all

Reminder that there is no voting. If you wish to accuse a player of witchcraft, accuse them in bold text.

[Cheeky Wings]

Gypyx will be on trial eventually, but I think there is something to be said for Titus trying to push an elim onto Clemency during the midst of the Gypyx mystery and you VS NK. So its time for peeps to take a stance.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

2.217 Titus Trial

Titus has been accused of witchcraft!

To vote in their favor, use HEAL: Titus. To support the charges, use HURT: Titus. Titus will be found innocent if they receive 7 heal votes before they receive 7 hurt votes.

Votes cannot be changed after being made.

Heal (0):
Hurt (0):

Not voting: Everyone

The day will end in (expired on 2021-12-05 21:00:00).

Why not gypyx? I thought NK15 wanted to do gypyx.

[Cheeky Wings]

Cheeky, what's your Clemancy read?

I think town because it’s the epitome of stupidity for scum!Clemency to claim jk here.

[Cheeky Wings]

Why not gypyx? I thought NK15 wanted to do gypyx.

HEY NANCY. TALK TO UR HYDRA PARTNER BECAUSE SHE DID THIS SHIT.
U NOT EVEN REALIZING THIS IS RIDICULOUS

How did she do that with one accusation when I changed it and you also accused gypyx.

What am I not realizing?

[Cheeky Wings]

idk i think if he was scum he wouldn't have just outed immediately he was roleblocked without reading jackshit. especially with no kill

Why do you think he didn't read jackshit?

i thought u read his posts.
what leads u to believe he read anything.

I suppose everyone does unless they explicitly say otherwise.

He knew enough to claim Iced.

He probably received a mod message informing him of that. That’s got nothing to do with reading the thread.

[Cheeky Wings]

I suppose everyone does unless they explicitly say otherwise.

He knew enough to claim Iced.

ummm im pretty sure he came in today with literally "i haven't read anything"
and him knowing he got iced is literally feedback, not reading game.

Titus what is going on with u. This is strange even for u

Anyway, GLB still town.

[Cheeky Wings]

How did she do that with one accusation when I changed it and you also accused gypyx.

What am I not realizing?

since when have u been able to change a in game thread action that is public....what

It’s like an unvote isn’t it? I don’t understand what you’re asking? Did RC say it takes one accusation, if so what about NK15’s role then?

I am not good at mech so I don’t understand why you think I should understand any of this.

[Cheeky Wings]

I had a plan coming into this day and it seems to have gone sideways.

since ur plan has failed want to illuminate us instead of asking for people reads on someone who has done very little in game except just claimed.

u clearly either have feedback or have reasons to think clemency is scum.

Yes

And those are?

[Cheeky Wings]

idk i think if he was scum he wouldn't have just outed immediately he was roleblocked without reading jackshit. especially with no kill

Why do you think he didn't read jackshit?

i thought u read his posts.
what leads u to believe he read anything.

I suppose everyone does unless they explicitly say otherwise.

He knew enough to claim Iced.

My point is he’s likely telling the truth because it makes no sense for scum!him to claim this after a no kill.

I mean seriously, can you really imagine this convo:

Clem: guess what guys, Ydra claimed a jk on gypyx but somehow T3 got jk’d and with the correct flavour to boot.
How should I play this?

Clem buddies: I know how, just volunteer to also be jk’d since no would ever believe you were the nk target, so it’s obviously a brilliant strategy to put a ginormous target on your back.

Clem: thanks guys for steering me in the right direction, I’d be completely lost without your sage advice.

[Cheeky Wings]

HEAL: Titus

[Cheeky Wings]

Nah, I don’t believe that. You’re saying that Clem’s buddies told him to make himself a target with that? He volunteered this, he wasn’t confronted, so what scum reason would he do this?

or, just that this actually happened, and Clem wanted to tell the truth, i meant that, like yeah scum *can* lie, but by default, there's no incentive to

He VOLUNTEERED this, he wasn’t confronted. No one asked him to claim anything. So your entire “lie” thing makes absolutely no sense.

[Cheeky Wings]

cool

Your reads would be helpful.

im town
several other people are also town
your claim is probably real
i'd be brave enough to say all but one in our hood are town

Say which one in the hood?

well the only one i cant read is the one that doesnt talk

Fair.

Can one of you out Marcel Marceau please?

[Cheeky Wings]

Can one of you out Marcel Marceau please?

#confused

Pagetop?

He’s a mime. Clemency said the only one in your hood who he doesn’t tr is the one who isn’t talking.

[Cheeky Wings]

Nah, I don’t believe that. You’re saying that Clem’s buddies told him to make himself a target with that? He volunteered this, he wasn’t confronted, so what scum reason would he do this?

or, just that this actually happened, and Clem wanted to tell the truth, i meant that, like yeah scum *can* lie, but by default, there's no incentive to

He VOLUNTEERED this, he wasn’t confronted. No one asked him to claim anything. So your entire “lie” thing makes absolutely no sense.

i don't see how clem volunteering is related to my point?

i'm just saying that scum can claim the truth too, that's it

You’re argument is that scum can tell the truth, not that they go out of their way to volunteer a huge target on their back. I’m having real trouble believing you seriously believe this.

[Cheeky Wings]

VOTE: Ircher

[Cheeky Wings]

The fact I usually shitpost as town prior to D2/D3 still gets ignored.

It’s D2 now, so we’re waiting.

[Cheeky Wings]

Hmm maybe we should put everyone on trial, this is cool. Just a note that Taly, GLB healed Titus pre-claim. I don't think I buy a 1s in this role madness game, nor do I think Titus cop checks Clem over Vic. But the day's still young and fresh.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

huh?

no, i'm just saying that like,

yes the freezing stuff did indeed happen to clem

, but that it's basically not indicative of being town

like my point is that clem just claimed a night result, why is it so hard for me to explain it correctly >.<

Wait? Did you just tmi with this? How do you know this?

[Cheeky Wings]

More people heal Titus so we can continue the witch hunt. May as well leave Gypyx for last in case it ends the day if we all hurt them.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Hmm maybe we should put everyone on trial, this is cool. Just a note that Taly, GLB healed Titus pre-claim. I don't think I buy a 1s in this role madness game, nor do I think Titus cop checks Clem over Vic. But the day's still young and fresh.
~C

Why?

Error: not enough specifity.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Hmm maybe we should put everyone on trial, this is cool. Just a note that Taly, GLB healed Titus pre-claim. I don't think I buy a 1s in this role madness game, nor do I think Titus cop checks Clem over Vic. But the day's still young and fresh.
~C

Why not? She specifically asked us for “nullreads”, so I’m assuming her role requires that.

[Cheeky Wings]

Supersaint kills the hammerer. Otherwise, I would have just self-hammered.

My interpretation is they pick.

You’re confusing that with vengeful.

Thanks.

Can I get your active nullreads? I want to ISO at least one person during the night phase to get back into the game.

[Cheeky Wings]

huh?

no, i'm just saying that like,

yes the freezing stuff did indeed happen to clem

, but that it's basically not indicative of being town

like my point is that clem just claimed a night result, why is it so hard for me to explain it correctly >.<

Wait? Did you just tmi with this? How do you know this?

cuz she claimed it and Ydra confirmed it, so unless you think 2 scums coordinated a fakeclaim for basically no reason, i don't see any way in which this is fake right?

I don’t believe it’s fake either. I also don’t see why scum!Clem volunteers this information without being asked.

[Cheeky Wings]

Do people think Clemency is scum with Gypyx?

VOTE: Gypyx

I don't know. I want discussion Clemency becaused I ISOed them and I feel like that is going to get lost in the weeds, hindering my ability to get involved

VOTE: Clemency

Can we just talk about Clemency? Many people had him as null.

I guess this kinda lines up with an over excited cop result. It would've been better to wait until the NK, GLB, T3, Gypyx, Ydrasse situations had finished so that you actually had responses to your odd scum hunting tactics. Idk.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

WAIT A MINUTE. TITUS YOU SCUMBUTT.

you can't have a result on Clemency if he was JK'd lmfao.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I’m pretty sure you’ve had to be taught what JK actually does before >:(
It only prevents KILLS on the target while stopping ANY ACTION the target tries to take

You ruined it Gamma.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I’m pretty sure you’ve had to be taught what JK actually does before >:(
It only prevents KILLS on the target while stopping ANY ACTION the target tries to take

+1

I’m really glad we didn’t kill Gamma.

Vic isn’t towning it up like she promised so I’m up for either gypyx ot Vic kill att.

[Cheeky Wings]

I’m really glad we didn’t kill Gamma.

since when can u kill

Are you intentionally being dense?

[Cheeky Wings]

I’m really glad we didn’t kill Gamma.

since when can u kill

Are you intentionally being dense?

why can't i just naturally be dense.

Valid point.

Not that I’m happy about Ircher but I feel much better about Gamma today.

Have we got enough heals on Titus yet, so we can either accuse gypyx or Vic?

[Cheeky Wings]

ydra's

actually doing things today and idk how to feel about that

I think she’s obviously town here, why?

[Cheeky Wings]

nancy

pick my brain i will spew

Well do you agree that gypyx sounds sketchy and Vic pings me because I don’t believe she didn’t know Ircher got flipped. There were 3 days where thread was locked, so I call bs on that dumbtell.

[Cheeky Wings]

nancy

pick my brain i will spew

look at this bird showing favoritism.

fine. ill find a better bird. A bird who both bolds and underlines peoples names

Leave Taly alone, he’s bae. <3

[Cheeky Wings]

So obviously she is aligned with the null town not to be confused with town or the people aligned with null

sometimes i post jokes and they just don't land even after i write them down. ill try harder next time team.

I thought that was one of the better ones imo. I smiled.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Sakura how many prayers did you receive?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

does that make u protoss? (sc2)

No idek what that is

Google Star Craft, it's a game reference.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

it had such dad level energy to it.

I do love my Dad jokes and boomer humour.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Vic claimed to receive a bonus if they guessed flavour + post restriction. Gamma attempted to counter claim the flavour guess mechanism iirc.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

T3 needs to be attached to people lol.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Didn't

Datisi

also say something about receiving food?

Beets from Galron.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

i think everybody has their own solve going but it doesnt quite fit together?

im kind of just riding the wave to see if i wash up on a shore of gold

Taly's Claim List
Loftwing - Miller
Taly - Himself (Flavor), Compulsive Self-Target Every Night
Sakura Hana - Dead players pray for her to give her abilities
Ydrasse - Jailkeeper
Gypyx - ???
Clem - ???
Titus - ???
NK15 - Witch Trial?

??? means I am unsure what all to make of their role and please correct me so I can add more

u need to add in things here like ydra trying to freeze gypyx, and clemency and (who was other person) both getting frozen.

Also i received food from grandpa. grandpa confirmed sending that and i received.

I think theres a few more details missing especially Titus/Clem thing here and apparently hood status.

You forgot about T3.

[Cheeky Wings]

Vic claimed to receive a bonus if they guessed flavour + post restriction. Gamma attempted to counter claim the flavour guess mechanism iirc.
~C

Gamma’s actually doing townie things and not obviously fake dumbtelling.

[Cheeky Wings]

I guess the weird thing with the No Kill last night was that the two claimed JK'd peeps are unlikely to be scum and were unlikely to be targeted, so what stopped the NK? There are a couple of implied roles.
A multi target deflector/rebounder/redirector.
A protective or blocking role that hit either the NK doer or target.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I guess the weird thing with the No Kill last night was that the two claimed JK'd peeps are unlikely to be scum and were unlikely to be targeted, so what stopped the NK? There are a couple of implied roles.
A multi target deflector/rebounder/redirector.
A protective or blocking role that hit either the NK doer or target.
~C

T3 could have been possibly. But your theory could also explain it.

[Cheeky Wings]

Fact Check me on Ydra please

Might help to put in that Ydra targeted Gypyx.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Taly's Claim List
Loftwing - Miller
Taly - Himself (Flavor), Compulsive Self-Target Every Night - Redirected Night 2
Sakura Hana - Dead players pray for her to give her abilities
Ydrasse - Jailkeeper - Froze Gypyx and Clem Night 2
Gypyx - ???
Clem - ???
Titus - Cop - Checked Clem Night 2
NK15 - Witch Trial? Day 2
Galron - Beet Vendor, claimed by Datisi Day 2
Grandpa - Foot Vendor, claimed by GLB Day 2
Vic - Positing Restriction

Hood 1:

Taly/Titus/Clem...

Fact Check me on

Ydra

please

Ydra target gypyx and gypyx only but both T3 and Clem claimed frozen.

[Cheeky Wings]

Grandpa - Foot Vendor

A shoe come with that?

lolwut? Mo vends feet? Wut?

[Cheeky Wings]

Taly's Claim List
Loftwing - Miller
Taly - Himself (Flavor), Compulsive Self-Target Every Night - Redirected Night 2
Sakura Hana - Dead players pray for her to give her abilities
Ydrasse - Freezing Jailkeeper - targeted Gypyx but Froze T3 and Clem Night 2
Gypyx - ???
Clem - ???
Titus - 1s Cop - Checked Clem Night 1.
NK15 - Witch Trial? Day 2 start
Galron - Beet Vendor, claimed by Datisi Day 2
Grandpa - Food Vendor, claimed by GLB Day 2
Vic - Positing Restriction, flavour guess
GLB - scumread godzilla/troll

Hood 1:

Taly/Titus/Clem...

Fact Check me on

Ydra

please

Fixed.

[Cheeky Wings]

Taly's Claim List
Loftwing - Miller
Taly - Himself (Flavor), Compulsive Self-Target Every Night - Redirected Night 2
Sakura Hana - Dead players pray for her to give her abilities
Ydrasse - Freezing Jailkeeper - targeted Gypyx but Froze T3 and Clem Night 2
Gypyx - ???
Clem - ???
Titus - 1s Cop - Checked Clem Night 1.
NK15 - Witch Trial? Day 2 start
Galron - Beet Vendor, claimed by Datisi Day 2
Grandpa - Food Vendor, claimed by GLB Day 2
Vic - Positing Restriction, flavour guess
GLB - scumread godzilla/troll
T3 - has to be attached to people.
Gamma - something to do with flavour.

Hood 1:

Taly/Titus/Clem...

Fact Check me on

Ydra

please

Fixed.

Fixed again.

[Cheeky Wings]

Taly's Claim List
Loftwing - Miller
Taly - Himself (Flavor), Compulsive Self-Target Every Night - Redirected Night 2
Sakura Hana - Dead players pray for her to give her abilities
Ydrasse - Freezing Jailkeeper - targeted Gypyx but Froze T3 and Clem Night 2
Gypyx - ???
Clem - ???
Titus - 1s Cop - Checked Clem Night 1.
NK15 - Witch Trial? Day 2 start
Galron - Beet Vendor, claimed by Datisi Day 2
Grandpa - Food Vendor, claimed by GLB Day 2
Vic - Positing Restriction, flavour guess
GLB - scumread godzilla/troll
T3 - has to be attached to people.
Gamma - something to do with flavour.

Hood 1:

Taly/Titus/Clem...

Fact Check me on

Ydra

please

Fixed.

Fixed again.

Vic claimed to be able to shoot lazers or something if she met her alleged posting restriction.

[Cheeky Wings]

Taly's Claim List
Loftwing - Miller
Taly - Himself (Flavor), Compulsive Self-Target Every Night - Did Not Self-Target Night 2
Sakura Hana - Dead players pray for her to give her abilities
Ydrasse - Freezing Jailkeeper - targeted Gypyx but Froze T3 and Clem Night 2
Gypyx - ???
Clem - ???
Titus - 1s Cop - Checked Clem Night 1.
NK15 - Witch Trial? Day 2 start
Galron - Beet Vendor, claimed by Datisi Day 2
Grandpa - Food Vendor, claimed by GLB Day 2
Vic - Positing Restriction, flavour guess, lasers shooter if met
GLB - scumread godzilla/troll
T3 - has to be attached to people.
Gamma - something to do with flavour.

Hood 1:

Taly/Titus/Clem...

Fact Check me on

Ydra

please

Fixed.

Fixed again.

Vic claimed to be able to shoot lazers or something if she met her alleged posting restriction.

Want to iterate I don't actually know if I was Frozen too, just that I didn't self-target Night 2.

Did you try submit a target?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

you would know if you were frozen :<

[Cheeky Wings]

Don't answer if it gives away too much, but how do you know you didn't self-target?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

No, my understanding of compulsive is that it happens without me actively controlling it

Please try to submit a target N2 to see what happens. I think this could be useful to understand things down the track.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Jjh did mention that it's unlikely there are two redirection roles but I think with Taly and Ydrasse both claiming their separate actions didn't pan out as intended points to more than 1. T3 needing to be attached to people also suggests some type of redirection role at play.
Looking through the Wiki I couldn't spot any obvious role that would have all of these effects.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Titus, want to play mechanics?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Titus, want to play mechanics?
~C

No. I have a terrible headache. I tried to nap it off but no go.

Aw feel better <3.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Titus, want to play mechanics?
~C

ooh! pick me!

Haha your input is more than welcome.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Jjh did mention that it's unlikely there are two redirection roles but I think with Taly and Ydrasse both claiming their separate actions didn't pan out as intended points to more than 1. T3 needing to be attached to people also suggests some type of redirection role at play.
Looking through the Wiki I couldn't spot any obvious role that would have all of these effects.
~C

My role has nothing to do with redirection.

How are you attached then?
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

You know, i feel like if we have to wait for the mod every time to finish a trial and start a new one this ability is gonna get annoying so lemme try this

I accuse Gypyx of witchcraft

You need three exclamation marks.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

If we all hurt Gypyx and the day ends I'll be sad the Witch hunts are over. That is a cool mechanic.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

That being said I am 100% down to accuse victorine of witchcraft next time we get a chance

Like, let's just acknowledge how Yume made a post interacting with posts I made in twilight and now claims to be so far behind that she didn't even know Ircher was the elim

+1

I’m onboard with that.

[Cheeky Wings]

Cheeky

, what do you think about my rradslist last page?

Taly-CW-GLB-Titus-Clem
Gamma-Ydrasse-T3-Galron
Jjh-Deimos-Datisi-Ratman
SS-Gypyx-Sakura-GMO
Victorine-Loftwing-NK15

My problem is that my scumreads are too popular :/

I don’t agree on Loft, think NK15 is wrong town. I don’t understand why you sr Sakura and Victorine would be my preferred yeet but gypyx is both suss due to mech and sr on Clem. I would prefer to yeet V > gypyx but not opposed, just more confident on V scum. Ircher vote reads like open wolfing to me.

[Cheeky Wings]

no

I ACCUSE GYPYX OF WITCHCRAFT!!!

No what? No to Victorine?

[Cheeky Wings]

I accuse Victorine of witchcraft!!!

[Cheeky Wings]

I'll make a proper post later but GLB has been acquitted of witchcraft, and the masses clamor for the real witch to be brought to trial.

Is there a post missing here? Where are is the heal/hurt record? It would be helpful to see if there’s a pattern to them with both Titus and gypyx.

[Cheeky Wings]

2.232 Titus Trial

Heal (7): Good Luck Buddy, Taly, Cheeky Wings, Galron, Gamma Emerald, Sakura Hana, Not Known 15
Hurt (1): Clemency

Not voting: Others

The day will end in (expired on 2021-12-05 21:00:00).

Tiitus has been acquitted of witchcraft, and the masses clamor for the real witch to be brought to trial.

Maybe I should quote this and if it somehow gets deleted from my post, that will tell us something because clearly the identical post on GLB has been removed.

[Cheeky Wings]

Killing Gypyx Here Makes No Sense Especially When Victorine Is Still Alive And Still Useless

HEAL: Gypyx

Interesting.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

5 heals 2 hurts if I've counted correctly.
2 hurts from Titus and NK.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

I would suspect most of the pressure on Gypyx came from me and people following me, and my case was mainly that he avoided saying he scumread GLB (and still hasn't fixed that and really should)

well, i don't scumread GLB so it's definetly gonna be hard for me to say so

No, but you need to quote some post of theirs and claim you sr them to protect them from the NK. It’s role related.

[Cheeky Wings]

If Vic is eliminated then that feels like a waste of an Ircher town flip and if Vic flips town, then doubly so. I'm fine sitting back today.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

O_O <--- you know who you are, I'm watching.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Victorine has better odds of flipping scum regardless

+1

Because she was clearly lying about shitposting only to on D1 and I also think her role/post restriction claim is also bs or she would be trying harder to meet it. That and what is probably the most unbelievable fake dumbtell ever in the history of mafia - her Ircher vots and unlike gypyx - she did understand the reasons why you’re asking people to call them scum but she intentionally ignored it.

[Cheeky Wings]

If Vic is eliminated then that feels like a waste of an Ircher town flip and if Vic flips town, then doubly so.

What Is This Supposed To Mean

It means if Vic flips town, scum be pushing Vic wagon and we're passively on Ircher wagon while pushing Vic D1. Ircher pretty much lay down and died over Vic to defend themselves for some reason and he was Town.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

If Vic is eliminated then that feels like a waste of an Ircher town flip and if Vic flips town, then doubly so. I'm fine sitting back today.
~C

Why should we let her skate by a second day phase when she is doing absolutely nothing to advance the game?

She clearly lied about the Ircher thing and likely the post restriction as well.

[Cheeky Wings]

If Vic is eliminated then that feels like a waste of an Ircher town flip and if Vic flips town, then doubly so. I'm fine sitting back today.
~C

Why should we let her skate by a second day phase when she is doing absolutely nothing to advance the game?

She clearly lied about the Ircher thing and likely the post restriction as well.

That's why I'm not going to interfere and sit back to see what happens.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

Just a reminder that there are 5 scum in this game in case people forgot. Look to your left and to your right, chances are 0.6 of those people are scum.
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

If Vic is eliminated then that feels like a waste of an Ircher town flip and if Vic flips town, then doubly so.

What Is This Supposed To Mean

It means if Vic flips town, scum be pushing Vic wagon and we're passively on Ircher wagon while pushing Vic D1. Ircher pretty much lay down and died over Vic to defend themselves for some reason and he was Town.
~C

If scum is pushing Vic wagon, it probably is far more likely they’re bussing then pushing a miselim, so not a great reason not to push her. She apparently doesn’t even bother to do anything at all unless she thinks she’s in actual danger.

[Cheeky Wings]

Alright so, gonna be quite busy today, so i'll throw a claim while i can, i'm an Elo / Melo Innocent Child with a little cherry on top that i don't feel like disclosing

i still think something’s wonky wrt the whole Ydra/T3/Clem/you thing but i just think this claim is just too out there to be fake and I think Victorine is very likely to be scum and is practically open wolfing here and taunting us to lim them.

[Cheeky Wings]

I think it's plausible that

Gypyx

could've been a scum that was going to NK but was blocked.

I'm just wondering how

Ydra

knew when I had

Gypyx

as null largely throughout D1.

Well that’s why I haven’t hurt or healed yet. I have actually never seen an elo IC before. Usually they’re day specfic. What I do think is that scum likely switched gypyx with either/both T3 and Clem or gypyx has a copy aspect to his role but he claims that not to be the case.

I don’t see why town would do this since T3 is really townie and Clem is (or could presumably have been super obvious mislimbait without Titus’ inno).

So why was gypyx not iced? It’s important to never just dismiss suspicious mech things because of a prior read on that slot. Not to ignore everything else in favour of mech obviously but it would probably be foolish to rush this until we have a better explanation.

I’m still not thrilled with gypyx’s Clem read post his volunteering that he got iced but meh.

I still want to kill Vic more anyway.

[Cheeky Wings]

If Vic is eliminated then that feels like a waste of an Ircher town flip and if Vic flips town, then doubly so. I'm fine sitting back today.
~C

Why should we let her skate by a second day phase when she is doing absolutely nothing to advance the game?

She clearly lied about the Ircher thing and likely the post restriction as well.

Why is a hydra with one another discussing strategy in-thread?

Why not? And how is this even “strategy”?

[Cheeky Wings]

it's not random...

can u explain anything of what u are talking bout?

dont say random shit bout me that's not true?

galron has the best progression in this game by far!

Listen up. I am the one who approached scumcases for most of those. I was the INITIAL one who said ratmans, clem, galron, loft were scum.

@Mo, how do you explain these two contradictory statements?

And since one of those is confitown, another I strongly tr, another I tl and the other is just null, how do you think those reads are in your favour?

[Cheeky Wings]

What interaction with Deimos?

[Cheeky Wings]

Can we aquit him yet so we can move on to Victorine

HEAL: gypx

[Cheeky Wings]

How many prayers do you need for that rn?

11 more

It would be extremely helpful if you kept a running taly of which players you need the prayers from.

[Cheeky Wings]

How many prayers do you need for that rn?

11 more

It would be extremely helpful if you kept a running taly of which players you need the prayers from.

Why are we making Taly run for this?

Bahaha!
~C

[Cheeky Wings]

How many prayers do you need for that rn?

11 more

It would be extremely helpful if you kept a running taly of which players you need the prayers from.

Why are we making Taly run for this?

[Cheeky Wings]

When you came up with that lie I'm guessing you didn't consider that the elimination could have happened before you posted

An action you target in the day can't be compulsive because it doesn't make any sense

RC made Vecna talk about nothing but toilet paper for 3 days before he became IC, so I’d believe pretty much anything but a loyal desperado (scum!Mastina’s role in my other RC uPick).

Also, this sounds like town!NK15. He didn’t post like this in Stumps.

[Cheeky Wings]

When you came up with that lie I'm guessing you didn't consider that the elimination could have happened before you posted

An action you target in the day can't be compulsive because it doesn't make any sense

RC made Vecna talk about nothing but toilet paper for 3 days before he became IC, so I’d believe pretty much anything but a loyal desperado (scum!Mastina’s role in my other RC uPick).

Also, this sounds like town!NK15. He didn’t post like this in Stumps.

He absolutely did? He's fixating on specific slots he claims to scumread and working on nonsensical team-finding logic

There's also the important detail that NK15 could not get elimed in day 1 in this game because he wasn't in the thread

Reread him in Stumps, he sounds here like he did in a game I played with him as town.

[Cheeky Wings]

ok, proposal for the day

we accuse vic of being a witch
we yeet her
we return to a normal game tomorrow

+1

[Cheeky Wings]

and ALSO he didn't post "day 1 start", he posted a "VC here".

jjh, i am not happy about these witch trials. but i don't think nk15 is lying here.

+1

[Cheeky Wings]

Okay so why is half of your GLB case based around how GLB was drumming up support for a Victorine elimination

It is not? It is how he was subtly shading Ircher, and , much more important, fishing for excuses to vote Ircher, whilst voting Victorine. It is a scum move. Either he wants to protect a scum mate, or doesn't actually mind obvious elim bait hanging around(which Ircher might not have been next day), which she definitely is if town.

I am not exactly versed in the meta of Victorine, but they could have a post restriction that includes lying about what their post restriction is either way. It fits with what they posted.

@jjh, you and Taly are confusing bad reads with being scum. What makes him town is I think he really does believe what he’s saying. I can quote you his reads from Stumps which were not only wrong but most significantly devoid of logic or any real thought progression. Compare his GLB read to his read in Stumps where he posted that nonsense about either me or Moon were scum which was clearly not a read because there was 0 thought progression behind it.

[Cheeky Wings]

Then what is a reliable way to read

NK15

if not his reads?

The thought progression or lack there of, nuance or lack there of, conviction or lack there of. If I limmed ever player in every game I’ve been in with wrong reads, scum would win every single game. The question you need to be asking yourself is: does the player have conviction in those reads and can he express those reads in a logical and nuanced way with clear thought progression?

Only the best scumplayers are capable of faking that and NK15 isn’t anywhere near that level of scumplay. That’s why he’s town here.

ISO him in Stumps. I think the difference between his play in this game vs Stumps is very obvious.

[Cheeky Wings]

The whole of day 1 translates to NK15 having 1 extremely questionable read and he has based any other reads he has off of that first one

I maintain that the key difference between NK15's scumgame here and NK15's scumgame elsewhere is that we couldn't elim him on day 1

If I thought he sounded anything here like he did in Stumps, I would be pushing him > Victorine. He doesn’t sound fake here and he absolutely did in Stumps.

I obviously disagree with his read on GLB but I think it’s believable. You’re not getting what I’m saying I think.

[Cheeky Wings]

i feel like any even half assed scum player can replicate Nk15 play here without any trouble. To say it takes a master scum player to fake this is really underselling good scum play

Do you honestly think NK15 suddenly became a decent scumplayer? Can you find any scumgames of his where he was able to do this?

Or was he just that terrible in Stumps only and that was somehow an anomaly?

[Cheeky Wings]

You were scum in stumps and you aren't able to mentally tune oout that you literally knew he was scum the whole time he was posting

I don’t get your point?

[Cheeky Wings]

You think he was worse in that game because while you were playing it you knew he was scum the whole time

No because in FFIV I probably would have null to tl scum!Noraa had I actually been town in that but I’d already be accusing NK15 if he sounded anything like he did in Stumps.

So prove me wrong then, find me some NK15 scumgames where he sounds similar to here and I’ll reconsider.

[Cheeky Wings]

i feel like any even half assed scum player can replicate Nk15 play here without any trouble. To say it takes a master scum player to fake this is really underselling good scum play

Do you honestly think NK15 suddenly became a decent scumplayer? Can you find any scumgames of his where he was able to do this?

Or was he just that terrible in Stumps only and that was somehow an anomaly?

i never said he became decent. I don't even know if he is scum. I just know he isn't arguing in good faith and it shows to me.

u telling me he is talking with conviction is bullshit and u should know better tbh.

What makes you think he isn’t though? Because his read on you is bad? What makes you so certain he’s scum instead of wrong town?

[Cheeky Wings]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85398

There's a game

Okay he obviously played alot better here than in Stumps but pretty much most of his reads as in Stumps look febcesitty or hedgey. I think that’s the difference. We’ll see. If you’re right, you’ll get a huge mea culpa from me and if I’m right I expect the same.

I am less certain after reading that so I won’t fight you or GLB on that. However, I still think I’m probably right.

[Cheeky Wings]

: does the player have conviction in those reads and can he express those reads in a logical and nuanced way with clear thought progression?

like no. The answer to this is just hell no.

Look, I try my best when someone scumreads me to figure out the genuineness of that to best of my ability and that is like one of the things i think im better at when it comes to scumhunting. I think i can figure out when town is just worng on me and when its bs. I smell all sort of bs. If when i am wrong on this its usually because i gave too much leeway to a scum player, rather than being wrong on a town player who was misguided on me.

Evertyhing from nk15 tells me. This person made a conclusion, now is retroactively justifying it. Maybe he is scum and decides that pushing me will get townreads for hot takes. i have no idea.

The reason for why i said it was town is because given Nk15 history. He sabotages his team every game. So how do i go from that, to saying him pushing me is somehow sabotaging his team? Well unless he was doing so to protect victorine (which si ????) then i don't see it. So i go with, he is town sabotaging us. Is that compelling? Probably not.

Yeah, I actually can believe this. Town lost a game because he basically handed scum a victory on a silver platter. It was a trust fall game and he made trust offers to three players after one scum had already escaped and one of the three was the final scum.

[Cheeky Wings]

coffee is not only gross but should have been banned by the geneva convention

this game should have been banned by the geneva convention

Idk, I’m kind’ve enjoying it. I’m excitedly waiting for the next phase where we get to vampire hunt. lololol

[Cheeky Wings]

coffee is not only gross but should have been banned by the geneva convention

wha the fuck is wrong with you

i see big coffee got to datisi.

I tried it when i was like 14 and i vomitted. Everyone is under some crazy illusion that its good because they use it as a crutch for waking and being alert in the morning. Ever tried cold showers in morning instead? That shit will wake u up

Ginseng > coffee imo

[Cheeky Wings]

its a weird game when im the one trying to solicit others to be more involved. It usually goes other way.

We literally switched roles this game

I think Ylat may possibly be on to something.

~Taly Wings

[Cheeky Wings]

Gmo be like

Haha wouldn't it be wacky if paranoia inducing scenario occurred lol

this is the first time i brought it up :/ and gf is a plausible informed scenario (since gf isn't mod lie)

Except that Clemency’s play here makes absolutely no sense as scum. Cop inno + townie play, I think I’m good.

[Cheeky Wings]

@GMO You do realize you're making that comment in a room full of people who have been discredited their whole lives and been told it was a joke?

I don't feel your intent was to discredit me as my alignment but rather my result. So let me put this to rest...

The mod said that Clemency was town using his name. No redirect possible. He's just town.

my intent wasn't that...

i have seen many large theme games have a GF. This was when I was looking at this forum https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=69677

and interested in the ability of miller v GF

Miller which Loftwing claimed and there’s very rarely both of those in the same setup. Can you stop trying to cause doubt on Titus’ result? There’s absolutely no good reason to doubt it. Clemency is town, let’s move on.

[Cheeky Wings]

let's stop talking bout it since its irrelevant and causes unneeded paranoia if necessary.

Yeah, so please stop talking about gf unless something happens in this game to make that seem like a valid possibility.

[Cheeky Wings]

@Mo, if you want people to stop coming at you, stop saying things like gf when there’s no valid reason to question Titus’ result. If Titus ever gets an inno on a player that’s flaming obvscum, I could understand this but a cop inno on a townie acting player, why even bother to question that?

[Cheeky Wings]

let's stop talking bout it since its irrelevant and causes unneeded paranoia if necessary.

Yeah, so please stop talking about gf unless something happens in this game to make that seem like a valid possibility.

??? i literally just that like 10 posts ago.

it's your fault that you started talking bout it again.

now lets stop.

Are you serious? *brain starts to hurt*

[Cheeky Wings]

let's stop talking bout it since its irrelevant and causes unneeded paranoia if necessary.

Yeah, so please stop talking about gf unless something happens in this game to make that seem like a valid possibility.

??? i literally just that like 10 posts ago.

it's your fault that you started talking bout it again.

now lets stop.

Are you serious? *brain starts to hurt*

my brain is literally hurting because u literally bring it up again gosh

like i say to shutup bout it

then u come and talk bout it again then say to shutup bout it???

Okay fine, ignore my advice then, just don’t get upset when you get pushed for those kind of posts.

[Cheeky Wings]

@Mo, if you want people to stop coming at you, stop saying things like gf when there’s no valid reason to question Titus’ result. If Titus ever gets an inno on a player that’s flaming obvscum, I could understand this but a cop inno on a townie acting player, why even bother to question that?

here u go again still talking bout it again.

ur a hypocrite.

No, I’m trying to get you to understand cause and effect wrt to those posts of yours that are causing you negative reactions from other players because it keeps happening and I honestly wouldn’t care but you seem to get upset everytime it happens, so it’s just painful to watch.

[Cheeky Wings]

let's stop talking bout it since its irrelevant and causes unneeded paranoia if necessary.

Yeah, so please stop talking about gf unless something happens in this game to make that seem like a valid possibility.

??? i literally just that like 10 posts ago.

it's your fault that you started talking bout it again.

now lets stop.

Are you serious? *brain starts to hurt*

my brain is literally hurting because u literally bring it up again gosh

like i say to shutup bout it

then u come and talk bout it again then say to shutup bout it???

Okay fine, ignore my advice then, just don’t get upset when you get pushed for those kind of posts.

nancy.

there was no advice given, it was just you restating what i said to diminish/ degrade me.

did you skip over me and taly's interaction me and them were actually talking bout me and those "posts"

so just please if you're gonna k

atp nvm

I’m seriously hurt that that’s what you think of me, I’m very clearly trying to help you here whether you realize it or not.

[Cheeky Wings]

@Mo, if you want people to stop coming at you, stop saying things like gf when there’s no valid reason to question Titus’ result. If Titus ever gets an inno on a player that’s flaming obvscum, I could understand this but a cop inno on a townie acting player, why even bother to question that?

here u go again still talking bout it again.

ur a hypocrite.

No, I’m trying to get you to understand cause and effect wrt to those posts of yours that are causing you negative reactions from other players because it keeps happening and I honestly wouldn’t care but you seem to get upset everytime it happens, so it’s just painful to watch.

before i go real quick. i thought clem was SCUM. you thinking "a townie acting player" that is subjective!

clem wasnt cofnrimed town before the check. i just rose that possibility becuase i scumread clem and kept having them in my solve and then ppl would say "oh clem is confirmed" etcetc.. im like damn that goes my solve...

its not a stupid possibility -- its a VERY viable possibility especially in a rolemadness game. i just happen to propose my thoughts.

why as scum do i do this to get all the attention to me?? it makes no sense to stir up this viable paranoia right literally when i said to shutup bout it.

now im munching the snickers

I didn’t call you scum but you don’t seem to understand why this is getting you negative reactions. Fine then, I give up.

[Cheeky Wings]

let's stop talking bout it since its irrelevant and causes unneeded paranoia if necessary.

Yeah, so please stop talking about gf unless something happens in this game to make that seem like a valid possibility.

??? i literally just that like 10 posts ago.

it's your fault that you started talking bout it again.

now lets stop.

Are you serious? *brain starts to hurt*

my brain is literally hurting because u literally bring it up again gosh

like i say to shutup bout it

then u come and talk bout it again then say to shutup bout it???

Okay fine, ignore my advice then, just don’t get upset when you get pushed for those kind of posts.

nancy.

there was no advice given, it was just you restating what i said to diminish/ degrade me.

did you skip over me and taly's interaction me and them were actually talking bout me and those "posts"

so just please if you're gonna k

atp nvm

I’m seriously hurt that that’s what you think of me, I’m very clearly trying to help you here whether you realize it or not.

im sorry ...

im really really sorry :/

im just ...

lost.

im very confused. and dk wtf to do anymore.

it just feels like no one believes me anymore.

and it feels like i tried my absolute best and no one is trying their absolute best to read me correctly :/

Because you’re arguing for the possible over the probable. Do we know with 100% certainty that there isn’t a gf in this setup? Of course not but to assume one exists with no evidence to support it doesn’t help town. You should assume Titus’ result is valid unless something in the game happens to give you good reason to question it. The odds of Titus’ result not being valid is extremely unlikely, so it’s extremely frustrating that you’re questioning that. And considering we also have a miller claim is even further reason to not doubt it. I do think that volunteering you were jk’d during a no kill is highly town indicative behaviour even if there was no cop inno but it confirms my Clemency read I already had as a result of his claim.

[Cheeky Wings]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... %27s_Razor

Ockham's Razor
(Redirected from Occam's Razor)
"Never increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything" -- William of Ockham (1285-1349)
Also called Occam's Razor, this is the philosophical idea of "going with" the explanation which requires the least assumptions. It is sometimes paraphrased as "the simplest answer is best", but that is probably overly simplistic!

Occam's Razor is a double-edged weapon in Mafia games, however, as it can be used by Scum to cloak their actions.

"Why didn't you tell us you were a Doctor before you were bandwagonned?"
"Simple; if I'd told you, the Mafia would have killed me last night."
This explanation seems simple, but by itself cannot be taken as proof. Maybe the player didn't roleclaim before, not because they were the Doctor, but because they were Mafia who wanted an 'out' in case they killed the Doctor at Night (see also Wine In Front Of Me).

@Mo