Anything uPick (Endgame)

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I don't think GMo would have information about Vic's role unless both are scum. I also think it's not just the information level but the fact that GMo was actively helping Yume to get her story straight in thread and made a lot of unnatural leaps in order to do it

OMG JUST BECAUSE I WAS ROLEPLAYING DOESN'T MEAN I WAS ACTIVELY HELPING YUME TO GET HER STORY STRAIGHT.


WHY DO THIS IN PUBLIC THREAD, IF I AS SCUM HAVE ACCESS TO SCUM PT!

i really didnt want to say this

but you're are just too dumb to have the same investigating skills as me to come to that conclusion

Because Yume needed help in main thread in order to establish herself and get her story straight

[jjh927]

Here it is

Okay but that pretty obviously refers to me being able to catch Yume and isn't some cryptic clue

there you go .. you said it yourself.

i already had a confirmation bias knowing it had to be a player....

therefore LIKE I SAID PREVIOSULY i correalted that info with the that post and disregarded the persona of yume but the persona of another person

do u not understand.

There's no point in me engaging in circular arguments on this

Your explanation on your thought process is still an unnatural leap of logic
If we have this argument it's just going to be me telling you that you did not reach the conclusion naturally, and that if the conclusion was not reached naturally but was the 'correct' conclusion you must have been working backwards, while you tell me that you did reach it naturally. Since most players in the game don't care about this argument I wanted to focus elsewhere, particularly since at the time I wanted to elim Victorine before eliming you and abandon the line of reasoning if she were to flip scum. Now, I would go in the reverse order.

the only reason im aruging with you is because ur logic doesn tmake sense and its frustrating

u keep repeating the non based shit that you have no proof.

u arent proving this to me the only thing u are saying is just oh im jumping into conclusions.

post page numbers + post numbers+ discuss the specific interactions with me and vic discuss otehr interactions

u havent done any of that shit but just goes on assumptions.

its okay to make an assumpion once in a time but to make an assumption just to read someone especially two ppl is just bad play.

especailly CONSIDERING I WANTED TO KILL VIC!

You pivoted to wanting to kill Vic literally seconds after I stated you were aligned

[jjh927]

uh

jjh

why did you vote

gypyx

if you still believed

vic/gmo

were aligned

and um

gmo

maybe drop the insults a tad? it reads as AtE

We still had time. I wanted to place some more people before the end of the day phase. Also, I was of the opinion that Victorine should be elimed before GMo on this one, and didn't want to immediately elim Vic on the offchance that they actually play on day 2 when there are other viable elims

[jjh927]

You pivoted to wanting to kill Vic literally seconds after I stated you were aligned

that is completely false look at post 3483.

literally 1 minute after u posted that post on 3481.

it was in my pedit

Isn't that exactly what I just said? I stated it was scum theatre and you IMMEDIATELY aborted the mission and decided to bus for damage control

[jjh927]

Two of your clues given that led to the answer of "Mastina" were not actual clues left by Yume. Specifically, Yume did

not

indicate that the player was known to me or that the player was known to Firebringer. The fact that you used these 'clues' indicates to me you must have been working backwards from the answer

[jjh927]

You pivoted to wanting to kill Vic literally seconds after I stated you were aligned

that is completely false look at post 3483.

literally 1 minute after u posted that post on 3481.

it was in my pedit

Isn't that exactly what I just said? I stated it was scum theatre and you IMMEDIATELY aborted the mission and decided to bus for damage control

i was proving to u that i wasnt pivoting because u said so and i got scared.

i already explained why i didnt like vic and had my vote longer than u ever had urs

You had your vote longer than I had mine? What? That's pretty verifiably false as I placed my vote on Vic a long time before you did. If you mean in times of how long in the game we were voting Vic, that's pretty arbitrary given I maintain you were trying to distance after I caught you engaging in theatre

[jjh927]

uh

jjh

why did you vote

gypyx

if you still believed

vic/gmo

were aligned

and um

gmo

maybe drop the insults a tad? it reads as AtE

We still had time. I wanted to place some more people before the end of the day phase. Also, I was of the opinion that Victorine should be elimed before GMo on this one, and didn't want to immediately elim Vic on the offchance that they actually play on day 2 when there are other viable elims

omg ik i said i was gonna take a break

but this literally contradicts ur own point

u said u wanted to lim vic before me but then say u want to save vic onto day 2 what??

then why even bringthat point of me being s/s with vic in the first place just nto to question till day 2?

This doesn't contradict anything. I'm a realistic player and I don't just assume I'm right on things. I can think you're both scum, but it's quite reasonable for me to think that someone else is individually more likely to be scum than both of you. If I determine that Yume is town then that obviously invalidates my thinking that you are both scum together. However, I am thinking you are more likely to be independently scum at this time simply because of your handling of this argument

[jjh927]

u know whats crazy...

@taly

i called jjh town for this btw

Does this imply you think you're wrong now? Because I didn't reflexively townread you for it?

[jjh927]

No do the final VC again I forgot

[jjh927]

If you want to count we should do it when RC is asleep

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But yeah at any rate we need to spampost a bunch more to get longest day 1

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Isn't it like 20 pages?

I think RC made this challenge with a specific target in mind, honestly

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Consider editing your number in pedit if you see someone else posted a number you wanted to post

Also I didn't think you could post two numbers

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The gamestate is honestly pretty fucked

I am pretty confident we're down 4 townies

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This was a pretty anti-town way of using a supersaint, Ircher

What made you think it was mechanically optimal for you to get elimed here? You're pretty likely to just hit town

[jjh927]

Yeah you should probably do last reads and shit

Don't claim just in case it's not real though but it probably is

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This was a pretty anti-town way of using a supersaint, Ircher

What made you think it was mechanically optimal for you to get elimed here? You're pretty likely to just hit town

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I don't think we do get more info this way, honestly

[jjh927]

Taly are you capable of counting

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We are now a tenth of the way to the objective

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Is there anyone who hasn't said they scumread you at some point, Fire?

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Seriously we only need like 400 posts to get the biggest day 1

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Nice

[jjh927]

According to the wiki it's SaGa Frontier Mafia with 5086 posts

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So yeah we're so close it would be rude not to try to reach that number

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We can potentially talk reads while we do it as well

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I think it's worth me going through everyone's isos and confirming who has said they scumread glb as well

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Cheeky has
Clemency has not

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Datisi has
Deimos has
Galron has
Gamma Emerald arguably has not


Gamma, please state that you scumread Good Luck Buddy in your next post for mechanical reasons

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I don't think GrandpaMo has either

GMO should do the same

Obviously Clemency doing it would also be ideal but clemency is lurking and I'm not very optimistic we're gonna be able to get everyone to do it today. The plus side is that if GLB ends up dead we have a smaller pool of people to choose from

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Important new part of my nonexistent Gypyx case

we have a town role

GODZILLA

anyone who fears us can't kill us.

fear = scumread

so if you quote this post and say "I scumread this"

your nightkill on us would fail

that's why I'm trying to get everyone to scumread me

so I can be NIGHTKILL IMMUNE FROM EVERYONE

also we town af

ya okay buddy sure, like we're gonna belive that lol, can we get the scum?

also on a side note it's funny how we have both a towread-related claim and a scumread-related

If you look closely, Gypyx has quite clearly avoided stating he scumreads GLB in this post while trying to maintain the facade that he has interacted with the post in the manner requested

Gypyx did not do the thing

[jjh927]

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Loftwing did not say it either
Ratmans said it
Sakura Hana said it
Something_Smart didn't say it

Damn there's a lot of people who haven't said they scumread GLB; this is not great

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Taly is a questionable one given I don't actually know GLB's role and I'd be more comfortable if Taly outright said he scumread GLB
Titus definitely hasn't

Titus, please say you scumread GLB

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Victorine hasn't
Ydrasse has

And I didn't check me but I know I did

Ircher and T3 are expected to die and toog and koba are dead

I'll collate this information shortly

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Because it's a right faff and really it should have been GLB's responsibility, but now we're in twilight and I have nothing better to do so I might as well help someone I consider to be locktown to be immortal



Good Luck Buddy - Poggers

Victorine - No

Gamma Emerald - Yes
Datisi - Yes

Clemency - No

Galron - Yes

Gypyx - No, and also very sneaky

Titus - Yes
Jjh927 - Yes
Ydrasse - Yes

GrandpaMo - No

Deimos27 - Yes
Loftwing - No
Ratmans - Yes

Taly - Probably? Worth making sure

Cheeky Wings - Yes
Sakura Hana - Yes
Something_Smart - Yes

Not Known 15 - Not Known 15

Ircher - Dying
T3 - Presumed dying

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People with targeting actions should determine via asking the mod whether Not Known 15 is a legal target for their actions in this night phase, regardless of whether you ultimately would choose to target him or not, as this gives information as to whether he would probably be able to act at night

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I think it should be relatively trivial to get GMo and Taly to say they scumread GLB given their activity, though it's more important with the former

For Clemency and Victorine, just bully them a bit if they come online and post

For Gypyx, bully him a lot for trying to sneak that one past

[jjh927]

102 and a pagetop

(expired on 2021-11-18 17:00:00) is how much time we have if I've converted timezones right

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Just remember the 5 people who need to say they scumread GLB if any of them show up

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We probably should be rushing this hard actually if we want to do this without RC interrupting us, given it's like 3am in est

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I mean, I've been doing a mixture of straight spam and actual posts

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Just more spam than the normal mixture

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I could talk to you about this season's seasonal anime that I am watching

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I got 7 isekais and 2 non-isekais

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Cool, that didn't show up in pedit because we were 1 second apart

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Fuck where are my pedits

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Okay so if I start with the non-isekais

The Vampire Dies in No Time is honestly a hidden gem that me and some friends randomly decided to groupwatch (literally randomly- we randomised it out of all the seasonals airing this season)

I think it's pretty funny

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We're counting to 500 and aiming to take the record for longest day 1

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Also I spent a while totalling up everyone who had and had not said they scumread GLB so if any of the people on the hitlist show up then please bully them

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I think it should be relatively trivial to get GMo and Taly to say they scumread GLB given their activity, though it's more important with the former

For Clemency and Victorine, just bully them a bit if they come online and post

For Gypyx, bully him a lot for trying to sneak that one past

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This is probably also an important post

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Important new part of my nonexistent Gypyx case

we have a town role

GODZILLA

anyone who fears us can't kill us.

fear = scumread

so if you quote this post and say "I scumread this"

your nightkill on us would fail

that's why I'm trying to get everyone to scumread me

so I can be NIGHTKILL IMMUNE FROM EVERYONE

also we town af

ya okay buddy sure, like we're gonna belive that lol, can we get the scum?

also on a side note it's funny how we have both a towread-related claim and a scumread-related

If you look closely, Gypyx has quite clearly avoided stating he scumreads GLB in this post while trying to maintain the facade that he has interacted with the post in the manner requested

Gypyx did not do the thing

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I sleep when I choose to

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jjh, i saw you were posting for like the whole of my night, and then i remembered we're one away in timezones, and now i am slightly concerned

jjh do you ever sleep

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you scare me

also that one post where you were disappointed that nobody saw the gmo/vic thing, i saw it, i tried to get him to answer me

then i got lazy in figuring out the response but i seen it

What's your take on the argument between me and GMo in twilight then

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I'm playing anime music quiz on another tab so I won't be posting or listening to music

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I just got dunked on by the majiha sisters opening for standing on a million lives

[jjh927]

Ah, I'm talking about a cool site that generates quizzes based on your anime list on your preferred anime listing site

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So, all the songs are ones you can feasibly recognise because you've seen the animes

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Is your choice of the exact same word as I used coincidental

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Yume, please say you scumread GLB.

I know you probably don't have a read there yet. You need to say you scumread GLB for entirely mechanical reasons. They have a role that requires people to say they scumread them in thread. Doesn't matter if it's true

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While you're at it you should consider making sure you have fulfilled your post restriction with some wall posts if it's real

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Is your choice of the exact same word as I used coincidental

it was not on purpose, but possible i was subconsciously influenced

Always a possibility

It just left a reaaaaaaaal bad taste in my mouth when he was trying to line things up to push me when Ircher and T3 probably end up flipping town. Like, he found it so inconceivable that I could assume two of my stated townreads are town that I must be scum if I'm right.

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Yes, you should

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I think it's pretty clear I've gotten thoroughly engaged with this game at this point

My playstyle isn't that suited to larges since I need to place people individually and there isn't enough time to do that before people get bored of the game and start making avoidable mistakes, but I maintain that if I had been followed to the end we would have elimed scum day 1

Particularly given I have unearthed key evidence against gypyx in twilight

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Just putting this on this page in case Yume pops in again

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Yume, please say you scumread GLB.

I know you probably don't have a read there yet. You need to say you scumread GLB for entirely mechanical reasons. They have a role that requires people to say they scumread them in thread. Doesn't matter if it's true

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One of my picks is in this image

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Nah this is just my towngame

I think I'm at a point where my scumgame will see a sharp improvement from my established meta next time I roll it, but it won't take the form of mimicking my towngame

[jjh927]

Although I guess I do have two towngames nowadays

This is the one I can't fake, whereas there is also the lazy one where I don't engage with the game and just catch scum with minimal effort

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The main difference between my engaged and lazy playstyles is that when I am being lazy I stop placing people when I've found the first scum

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That's a good pop in

Now we just need 4 more

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Kinda annoyed Yume popped in for a number but didn't say she scumread GLB tbh

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Yume, I'll give you a hint to my flavour if you say you scumread GLB

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I might go for a bit but I'll probably be back in a couple of hours

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Nice

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Fuck I missed off loftwing from the hit list despite because I didn't bold his name

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So we're still waiting on 4 people

Victorine the evasive, Clemency the elusive, Gypyx the sneaky, and Loftwing the forgotten

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Anyway my loss of precision evident from my last two posts indicates I should probably sleep now

[jjh927]

We have all the choice in the world right now

Victorine scumposted at EOD and is highly likely to flip scum. Also, imagine trying to kill me as scum!Yume. That shit doesn't work no matter how many times you try.

I reckon GrandpaMo is highly likely to flip scum

And of course we have the infamously sneaky Gypyx who

[jjh927]

We have all the choice in the world right now

Victorine scumposted at EOD and is highly likely to flip scum. Also, imagine trying to kill me as scum!Yume. That shit doesn't work no matter how many times you try.

I reckon GrandpaMo is highly likely to flip scum

And of course we have the infamously sneaky Gypyx who

was sneaky and avoided posting that he scumread fire

[jjh927]

But yes this is an extremely rare circumstance where I am confident in three simultaneous scumreads

I don't think this has happened to me before. Usually I have a best pick

[jjh927]

If this is serious please go back and read day 1

[jjh927]

That's not a townslip

That's got to be a fake dumbtell

[jjh927]

The first implication is that Gypyx didn't read Ircher's flip

That is pretty much an impossibility, so it's faked

[jjh927]

I mean you're falling for it right now so there is clearly some benefit to it

[jjh927]

I am inclined to agree, but voting can wait for a bit because there are people I want to see and talk to

[jjh927]

Why did you claim that now

[jjh927]

You reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally should have waited for gypyx to respond

Pedit: Yeah I hoped you were gambitting I just felt like I should play it up

[jjh927]

If T3 and Gypyx were swapped by bus driver that is 100% a scum bus driver trying to screw with investigative results for scum!Gypyx

Redirection targeted at Ydrasse is less clear but would probably also be scum

Gypyx could also be a role that redirects stuff from himself to a target

[jjh927]

Gypyx vanishing there still stands as a pretty strong point

You gotta be really careful as scum with innocuous shit that you should or should not have received or you end up with funny moments like this

[jjh927]

Bus driver is probably the least likely possibility for redirected actions here fwiw

[jjh927]

Well, if someone tried to target t3 with something and hit gypyx instead that's another story

PEdit: Plausibly yes, but not more than GMo and Victorine

[jjh927]

This would mean we are at face value dealing with multiple redirects


It could be a single role if it was something like a bus driver that swaps 3 or more people round like a carousel

[jjh927]

Your action targeting Gypyx was redirected to T3
Taly's action targeting Taly was redirected to ???, but Taly seems to imply there is feedback of some kind from being targeted so this should be an easy mystery to solve

That's two distinct redirects

[jjh927]

2 or more different roles that redirect in a single setup is pretty much a promise that your game will include a discussion about how NAR works, and would invite extreme chaos and increase the likelihood of mod errors

It's more likely to be just the one that works in an unusual way

[jjh927]

So yeah, could be a weird three way bus driver that rotates people

This theoretical role would redirect anything targeting Taly to Gypyx, anything targeting Gypyx to T3, and anything targeting T3 to Taly


I will say this is unlikely to be accurate, but is a demonstration of how a single role feasibly could exist that could handle all the redirection we currently suspect

[jjh927]

You can be paranoid if you like, Taly, but it won't matter because I'm not gonna survive that many night phases

[jjh927]

Morning!
I dont get the clusterfuck of night actions that have been claimed.
T3 got "Encased in ice" which was done by Ydrasse's Jailkeep that was targeting Gypyx originally and Taly was redirected to somewhere?
Did i get that correct?

Yes

Also Datisi apparently got beets

[jjh927]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetroot

[jjh927]

Attacking me will not stop me from dying before you do

[jjh927]

In fact, your efforts would only cause my demise

[jjh927]

The lack of kill can be explained through ways more likely than the jailkeep

[jjh927]

First of all this is a theme game and some of the roles in the game are gonna be weird. I think a singular role - not necessarily the 3 way bus driver, because that is an example of a possible role that could work- that explains the multiple redirections is far more likely than multiple redirecting roles.

Second, yes but it's far more likely that Taly was redirected given that the only possible threat actors who would desire roleblock Taly are scum, and Taly claimed something entirely self-targeting and as such I think scum would be unlikely to roleblock there

[jjh927]

How Do You Use That Kind Of Role Strategically As Either Alignment

Town:
Taly self targets and thus it would be helpful to make anyone targeting Taly target someone else instead. Taly is also a very likely nightkill target, so the second target should be someone scummy who can get killed by nightkill instead if that happens.
So Gypyx is selected as target number 2. Gypyx is a plausible target of investigations and roleblocking kind of things so you probably don't want to mess that stuff up too much, which is why I can see T3 being picked as the third target.
Whoever you pick as target 3 needs to be someone who isn't going to get NKed. You probably also want to minimise the risk of them getting vigged too, because that's a strong possibility even after the suicidal dayvig from day 1 because this is a large game. But there's your T3 rotation.


Scum:
Maximise chaos.

[jjh927]

Still very hypothetical though

There are other possible singular roles that could explain multiple redirections, and we're still awaiting info that will allow for a better guess as to what went on

[jjh927]

The carousel is just an elegant solution

Don't rule out really dumb shit

Given what we know and do not know, it could be a lightning rod that redirects every role beginning with the letter J to a specific target

[jjh927]

The easiest test of the carousel hypothesis is to wait until Gypyx comes back and see if he can say the thing Taly does

[jjh927]

Mechanics aside, how are you feeling about reads today, Sakura?

[jjh927]

HEAL: Titus

What is this clownfest

[jjh927]

I just caught up so obviously I know exactly what this clowmfest is

But

NK15 you know that there's 5 scum alive, right? Is that why you tried to use your action to target a claimed bulletproof locktown figure? Because your scumteam only needed 1 extra vote?

[jjh927]

Mechanics talk-

I'm a bit thrown by T3 saying he wasn't attached to anything because I would assume that a role that attaches people together would be exactly how 2 people would be targeted by the same action

We're very much beyond the point of speculating at this time

[jjh927]

The first half is just a standard level of nonsense and the latter half is conceivably something you will refer back to later from which nothing can be immediately inferred

[jjh927]

Also cool one piece reference

How far are you

[jjh927]

Oh okay

I'm up to date on the manga

[jjh927]

My main anime recommendation at the moment is odd taxi

[jjh927]

My only anime pick in this game was Kanae Shinjou from Teekyuu and I didn't get that, probably because:
A- I randomly allocated that to second pick,
B- Teekyuu characters are absolute incomprehensible beings
C- RC presumably had to watch a let's play in order to even know what character my first pick was in the first place, and so would have wasted time on research if he didn't use it

[jjh927]

I gotta say this hurty healy witch hunt thing is really not good and I need to chat with NK15 about why he thought opening by using it on a massively townread player at the start of the day was a good idea

There's scum motivation there in that this has a really high chance of causing a mislim due to the lower bar of votes required, and by picking someone who is very likely to just get 8 heals immediately NK15 gets to pass on the suspicion from making the accusation etc onto someone else

[jjh927]

That being said I am 100% down to accuse victorine of witchcraft next time we get a chance

[jjh927]

Like, let's just acknowledge how Yume made a post interacting with posts I made in twilight and now claims to be so far behind that she didn't even know Ircher was the elim

[jjh927]

Oh okay

I'm up to date on the manga

Is the anime or manga better for OP

The manga is better

The anime pacing is awful, particularly exemplified by dressrosa.

However, this is offset if you watch the fan edited one pace. The anime does also have a couple of particularly good filler arcs (eg G8) which are well worth watching

[jjh927]

That's not an issue

That's a good thing because it means your scumreads are going to get elimed

[jjh927]

Right but running people up is how you get the pressure to become certain

[jjh927]

Do you disagree or hard agree with any of my reads Jjh?

I think everyone listed on your reads up until ratmans is locktown

[jjh927]

Well that's easily verifiable

[jjh927]

Okay I'm good assuming you are town from now on

[jjh927]

5 scum in Victorine, GMo, NK15, Loftwing, Ratman, SS, listed in order of likelihood.

[jjh927]

We have to kill all the scum in order to win

[jjh927]

You have to understand that my towngame is like a race to find as many of the scum as possible and get town to the best position before I get nightkilled

[jjh927]

We sure are waiting for RC because of this dumb voting gimmick thing

[jjh927]

HEAL: Gypyx

Let's get this out of the way

[jjh927]

The only possible situation in which the game doesn't reach elo or melo is a town stomp

[jjh927]

5 scum in Victorine, GMo, NK15, Loftwing, Ratman, SS, listed in order of likelihood.

okay i want to say soemthing.

stop this bs right now.

you literally fucking call 3 people scum that I am/was calling scum. I still have vic/ loft / rat / clem / + 1 more in my scumsolve.

do you rlly think im fucking bussing 3 people? holy shit. its starting to get annoying because u pair me up with these other people who haven't done shit while i have.

and you have nothing on me other than that you made an assumption with me to begin with.

i will clear everything up later on.

Yeah you've agreed with the consensus on a lot. That doesn't mean much.

Loftwing and Ratmans are more the people I have leftover when you factor in everyone who is town.

You should not have clemency in your solve if you have been paying attention.

I'm not gonna take you out of the scumpile because you're agreeing with me on some things, particularly given my viewpoint now that I am assuming that Gypyx is town when Gypyx is specifically the consensus scumread that you decided to accuse of witchcraft over someone like, say, Victorine. Why did you choose Gypyx there over Victorine? I don't remember you stating a scumread there. It looks like you're just going along with an easy consensus elimination, and now that I am looking from this new town!Gypyx perspective it does appear you picked the consensus elimination that wasn't scum over one that probably is

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I really don't want to touch a situational IC right now so how about people case

Gypyx

because I recall votes on him at daystart

I would suspect most of the pressure on Gypyx came from me and people following me, and my case was mainly that he avoided saying he scumread GLB (and still hasn't fixed that and really should)

You definitely should be touching the situational IC aspect because that is what means you can be lazy

[jjh927]

People might have had their own reasons but I really think we can wait and see if the IC claim is real and go find other scum

[jjh927]

I would also note we are probably going back to the normal elim for this day phase after this nonsense is all wrapped up and we have decided who we're burning

If not then this is just blatantly a mafia aligned role

[jjh927]

If you want to know why I don't engage with you on this very much, it's because you're very aggressive and often misrepresenting things in your favour.

You shouldn't have Clemency in your solve because Titus claimed an innocent result on Clemency. No, that doesn't imply you're not going with the consensus. Clemency WAS a consensus scumread before that.
You also don't get to imply that players are valid scumreads when you scumread them and LHF when I have them in a rather optimistically small pool for a solve. I don't particularly have any reason to believe ratmans or loftwing or SS are scum, just that I believe everyone else is town and need pressure there.

But yeah, your tone is extremely rude and reads as though you know I'm town. I'm being a massive thorn in your side and it's pretty clear by the way that you are attacking me and insulting my intelligence that you know my stance is genuine

[jjh927]

Well that's easily verifiable

No it's not, what?, so he literally comes and does nothing but claim IC and we wont know if he's a real IC or not until we're already getting rekt by scum?

Okay I'm good assuming you are town from now on

Okay, why arent you at least interrogating him instead of taking his IC claim at face value?

If we end up getting rekt by scum in the universe with scum!Gypyx it's an inevitable reality whether we elim Gypyx now or later

You don't reevaluate when a consensus scumread flips scum

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I would suspect most of the pressure on Gypyx came from me and people following me, and my case was mainly that he avoided saying he scumread GLB (and still hasn't fixed that and really should)

well, i don't scumread GLB so it's definetly gonna be hard for me to say so

You need to say it just once for mechanical reasons even though it's false

[jjh927]

Victorine has better odds of flipping scum regardless

[jjh927]

I really don't see any issue with looking elsewhere given a literal IC claim

It's not like we're out of leads

[jjh927]

We can't reaccuse him with this witch trial bullshit, sure

If you really want to consider it we can do it over the regular elim which we will presumably be back to after we get out of this witch trial bullshit

[jjh927]

This is effectively an extra elim that has weird voting mechanics

We can just decide we're gonna kill Victorine with it and do that

[jjh927]

RC said the lim was "suspended"

[jjh927]

I am pretty confident that normal service will resume once we have burnt a witch

If it replaced the normal elimination it would be blatantly pro-scum and NK15 would deserve to be elimed for using it

[jjh927]

Titus, why have you voted hurt given the IC claim

[jjh927]

kinda tempted to burn gypyx at the stake just to see how this witch trial shit works ngl

dude refusing to scumread us until he was literally tied up and about to get smoked is a p bad look

How it works is that the person you decide is guilty will die.
I wasn't putting down any pressure when I asked him to say he scumread you so I'd say it looked fine

[jjh927]

Gypyx claimed melo/lelo IC

Pedit: Yume isn't getting subbed out because she is posting at intervals to not get prodded

[jjh927]

It's very much not. If it's a lie then it is a lie that is guaranteed to be found out

[jjh927]

If you want to know why I don't engage with you on this very much, it's because you're very aggressive and often misrepresenting things in your favour.

You shouldn't have Clemency in your solve because Titus claimed an innocent result on Clemency. No, that doesn't imply you're not going with the consensus. Clemency WAS a consensus scumread before that.
You also don't get to imply that players are valid scumreads when you scumread them and LHF when I have them in a rather optimistically small pool for a solve. I don't particularly have any reason to believe ratmans or loftwing or SS are scum, just that I believe everyone else is town and need pressure there.

But yeah, your tone is extremely rude and reads as though you know I'm town. I'm being a massive thorn in your side and it's pretty clear by the way that you are attacking me and insulting my intelligence that you know my stance is genuine

First point -- is not true.. That is why I am aggressive is because you have misrepresented me all of this game.
Second point -- didn't they point a innocent result on someone else not clem?
Third point -- Clem wasn't a consensus scumread before this they were just LHF. I was the one who pointed out they could be possible scum.
Fourth point -- That makes no sense with your implicaition. If you don't have no reason to believe they are scum then that means you need to narrow your town pool and start pushing more. You are stick up with so many people being town that you had to result to LHF to being part of your scum solve. I actually have reasons -- you don't.

My tone isn't rude. I only called you a hypocrital liar which may come of as rude... but that's all it it; I am just stating the facts. I am not insulting your intelligence at all. You just keep making shit up that isn't true and anyone can see that.

Question... do you think I am scum doing this on purpose?

do you think I am town doing this? What is the point of me fighting with you when I could have ignored you as scum and let vic die or gpypyx earlier die?

I am pushing you because you need more pressure. I am still questioning your allignment... I am still questioning if you would continue to me me look bad as scum or town. This happene din my first newbie game but we both took a break from each other and started looking at other people... it was quite a good game after that.

First point- you start by saying it is not true, then state that it is true and your excuse is that I'm doing the thing you're accusing me of.
Second point- No?
Third point- Really? You did that? You invented the idea that low posters could be scum? I mean, you wound up voting Ircher when I wanted to push Gypyx and Clemency for more content in day 1. I don't think you had any influence whatsoever on anyone's reads on the low posters, and you do not get to own scumreads because you claim to have seen them first.
Fourth point: Possibly, but my reads are good. I am confident in my ability for good reason. I don't believe my reads are completely perfect but I do think that I am extremely likely to find most of the scum outside of my hard townreads.

Fifth: Yes, your tone is objectively rude. You did call me a hypocritical liar. You have insulted my intelligence quite brazenly on previous posts. You have continually insulted my credibility without basis, and you have done it again right there by saying I am making shit up. You are the one without basis, given that "and anyone can see it" is rhetoric absolutely coated in sleeze


For your question: Yes, I think you are scum doing this because I am the only person who is actively advocating for your elimination. This is why you absolutely must discredit me, and why you have fixated on me to such an extent.
You could have ignored me, but I think you quite rightly register that I am a significant threat to you and you need to do something about that.

[jjh927]

I was assuming that this trial would replace today's elim.

It does.

Okay then

Explain yourself

Why did you choose to make the elim into this nonsense? This clearly scumsides more than a regular elimination

[jjh927]

Your ability is obviously anti town and yet it was literally the first thing you did

[jjh927]

Confirmed no mod lies

[jjh927]

Gmo be like

Haha wouldn't it be wacky if paranoia inducing scenario occurred lol

[jjh927]

I've been thinking his play in day 2 has been better but this is pretty arbitrary and is possibly due to the bias associated with how I changed my thought process immediately after his claim, so I dunno how much I can help

[jjh927]

Yes, and also that he was not my priority elim ever. I mostly just wanted pressure to place him with before

[jjh927]

In terms of game impact it's better to kill a different scum in the scenario where Gypyx is scum, since scum! Gypyx would be confscum in melo whereas a different scum would not.
And obviously if he's telling the truth, which is the much more likely scenario than a scum fakeclaim, then you definitely want to elim elsewhere


Pedit: Victorine

[jjh927]

I could case Yume quite convincingly at this point. I think there are two things she has done which I've only seen out of her scumgame

[jjh927]

I still want to know why NK15 thought using his ability was a good idea

[jjh927]

He has also opened himself up to potential rolecop guilty

[jjh927]

You only get to pray when you die

[jjh927]

Oh sure, the ability you used in your first post that overrides the normal elim but wasn't in place at the start of the day is compulsive

[jjh927]

When you came up with that lie I'm guessing you didn't consider that the elimination could have happened before you posted

An action you target in the day can't be compulsive because it doesn't make any sense

[jjh927]

Please explain your read on Victorine.

[jjh927]

When you came up with that lie I'm guessing you didn't consider that the elimination could have happened before you posted

An action you target in the day can't be compulsive because it doesn't make any sense

RC made Vecna talk about nothing but toilet paper for 3 days before he became IC, so I’d believe pretty much anything but a loyal desperado (scum!Mastina’s role in my other RC uPick).

Also, this sounds like town!NK15. He didn’t post like this in Stumps.

He absolutely did? He's fixating on specific slots he claims to scumread and working on nonsensical team-finding logic

There's also the important detail that NK15 could not get elimed in day 1 in this game because he wasn't in the thread

[jjh927]

day 1 start:

Anything uPick Votecount 1.01:

Firebringer (0):
Victorine (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Datisi (0):
Clemency (0):
Galron (0):
T3 (0):
Gypyx (0):
Tamoras Angel (0):
Jjh927 (0):
DkKoba (0):
Ydrasse (0):
Grandpa (0):
Deimos27 (0):
Loftwing (0):
Ratmans (0):
Ircher (0):
Taly (0):
Togeloo (0):
Cheeky Wings (0):
Sakura Hana (0):
Queen (0):

Not Voting: Firebringer, Victorine, Gamma Emerald, Datisi, Clemency, Galron, T3, Gypyx, Tamoras Angel, Jjh927, DkKoba, Ydrasse, Grandpa, Deimos27, Loftwing, Ratmans, Ircher, Taly, Togeloo, Cheeky Wings, Sakura Hana, Queen

With 22 alive it's 12 to lim.

The day will end in (expired on 2021-11-20 21:00:00).

day two start:

Day 2 has begun!

That would be a point if it wasn't for the fact that RC is lazy and actually day 1 started with pretty much the exact same thing until he edited in the votecount 16 hours after daystart

[jjh927]

This was for you, NK15

Please explain your read on Victorine.

[jjh927]

This was for you, NK15

Please explain your read on Victorine.

Which read?

YOUR read

[jjh927]

The stance that you have on Victorine

I don't think that could have been more clear

[jjh927]

Okay so why is half of your GLB case based around how GLB was drumming up support for a Victorine elimination

[jjh927]

Firebringer working with townreads to drum up support for an elim is pretty transparently town!fire

[jjh927]

and if you think there's literally nothing there you're probably missing the multiple lies that Victorine has been caught in, which is classic scum!Yume

[jjh927]

It's always conceivable, especially when you start combining the probabilities and look at teams, but yeah I am pretty sure they're all scum

[jjh927]

It wasn't a lie

[jjh927]

It checks out that the day did indeed start out with the witch hunt being the inevitable outcome

[jjh927]

Oh sure, the ability you used in your first post that overrides the normal elim but wasn't in place at the start of the day is compulsive

When you came up with that lie I'm guessing you didn't consider that the elimination could have happened before you posted

An action you target in the day can't be compulsive because it doesn't make any sense

Where was the lie you caught?

I was calling him out on not being compulsive but it kinda checks out

I'd say it's more likely that he chose to do it in night phase or dawn but w/e

[jjh927]

Yeah I'm guessing you're a mafia dreaming god and you're N0 pick caused you to not be in the game over the course of day1/night1

[jjh927]

Yeah I'm guessing you're a mafia dreaming god and your N0 pick caused you to not be in the game over the course of day1/night1

unforgivable ebwop

[jjh927]

NK15 had literally the whole of day 1 not posting to come up with reads and he came up with that

There's been no progression since then

[jjh927]

The whole of day 1 translates to NK15 having 1 extremely questionable read and he has based any other reads he has off of that first one

I maintain that the key difference between NK15's scumgame here and NK15's scumgame elsewhere is that we couldn't elim him on day 1

[jjh927]

Okay I have double checked and I was incorrect. I said "he has based any other reads", when in fact the use of plural here is misleading. I should have referred to his singular other read.

[jjh927]

You were scum in stumps and you aren't able to mentally tune oout that you literally knew he was scum the whole time he was posting

[jjh927]

You think he was worse in that game because while you were playing it you knew he was scum the whole time

[jjh927]

Tempted to link townstumps mafia

[jjh927]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85398

There's a game

[jjh927]

I think the REALLY obvious thing that makes this current game scum!NK15 is that he doesn't care about looking for town

He looks for singular reasons that players can be scum
There is nothing beyond that.

[jjh927]

He doesn't need a developed case on why someone could be scum. He wants 1 reason so that he can say "GLB is scum because he was shading Ircher while voting Victorine" and stick to his line on that

He isn't interested in finding players who are town because he is aligned with the mafia

[jjh927]

Woooooow I criticise how NK15 has literally only 2 reads which he has linked together and neither of them are townreads
And then he adds in another scumread on another player who is not scum and a badly articulated townread which boils down to "this feels town"

This is absolutely an attempt to respond to my push

[jjh927]

Yes, absolutely

[jjh927]

Do you not?

[jjh927]

1. They cannot be elimed in day 1
2. I suspect that NK15's role is a dreaming god or something similar and his disappearance in day 1 is a result of that. Dreaming gods tend to have mixed utility

[jjh927]

Nk15 is scum by his play, at any rate

I have gone into detail and you should have read it