Yeah no. I'm not cool with you saying you're trying to help Gamma and yet repeatedly hedge on his alignment twhen you've shown no intention of reading him conclusively the last few pages.
why are you misrepressenting the context..?
this all started because of gamma's unwillingness to explain to me or cheeky what their confusion was. i became more confused and more frustrated with gamma because they just had a difficult stance. i want to help gamma in getting their thoughts together because it helps ME to solve their allignment, they haven't been able to so -- so no reason to dwell on a slot that will eventually get solved later. galron looks worse atm.
In post 2374, Taly wrote:Your framing of the situation and how you respond to Gamma's posts don't seem seem align to me.
If I wanted to figure out someone's confusions by unwillingness to explain, my thought process wouldn't be "I'm trying to help you" it would be more "what am I figuring out here.."
Like the focus that you're posting is in good faith doesn't align or seem congruent with "you're either very depressed townie or AtE ing scum" because you imply very clearly that Gamma has a scum motive and yet you leave it for interpretation.
Are you trying to read Gamma through other players? I don't follow you here.
GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 2362, Deimos27 wrote:Yeah no I'm reading Mo's posts as town tbh
I have to go through the chains of reasoning really slowly to even barely comprehend them but the main point is that they're blurted out at such a fast pace and consistent convoluted density that I couldn't imagine being able to fake it as scum.
Can someone walk me through why the hedging on gamma is scum-ai
am i rlly that uncomprehendable? lol
and no one is saying that lol
Did I say you were incomprehensible?
And why does everybody's input have to way in on how I perceive you?
I don't like the way you're talking to me.
1st -The only reason you don't follow me here is because I was talking to gamma from a stance of meta. They know I usually act like this and I know that they act like this so I had to approach them in a way where they would understand. This isn't anything new.
2nd - Gamma does have a scum motive. And gamma also have a town motive. They explained it. They literally admitted to my post saying that I was doing those both things however I am just town in both scenerios but in my mind -- I don't have that potrayed as both town mindsets but one town and one scum mindset.
That's why I am always potraying Gamma here as null. I pressured them to give me their explanation. I explained this already. And sorta I am tryna read them through other players -- cheeky was helping me with that but the main thing was me pressuring them until they give something. I don't know how to feel about the reaction or post discussion but all I can say right there that I still don't have a defeintie answer so instead of fighting with them to get a solid answer, I want to move onto another slot that I pinged out possible scum earlier, galron. My main idea was that I wasn't approaching Gamma as a scumpush rather defending gamma from cheeky's confusion -- helping cheeky to understand gamma's defense then proceed to understand Gamma's aggression. Then proceed to understand gamma's vote on me in which spakred this whole thing because they were "frustrated" I becamew frustrated with gamma because they have done half ass explanations to everything beforehand tlaking to me hence why I was confused on what the utter motive for voting me was. They had no motive. They admitted it was just a random hop of train in a post or whatever its called. I relate to a meta game with gamma which further explains my thought process on why they could be town but ultimaly they STILL had a scum motive. do u not understand this?
3rd - That post wasn't to you?
do uremember this interaction? this made me realize u were more townier
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 5885, Taly wrote:Because I can't tell if you're coming from a place that is
"how can I inform
taly
better about my intentions"
or
"why is this so hard for
taly
to understand what I'm posting is simple"
I'm not intending to vilify you, my intention is to tell you why people may have an issue with that.
And based on your definition, I'd say you mindmelded with me, not that I sheeped you.
Sheeping implies a lack of depth in thought.
What exactly did I say that's towny or is it hard to pinpoint it?
Remember when you were like "I don't want to push a fight I am going to lose" and you felt self defeated after responding to you and you expected me to respond bad but I responded to your posts as shown above and then you said I was probably town or something. That what I put as town because I don't believe scum does that in public just to be self defeated... I was relating it to Gamma as well in how they were playing like you where I was the one who initiated a push against Gamma and Gamma then resulted in a self defeated motive. Gamma flipped town that game IIRC.
And it's both. I am coming from a place of like why is it hard for my posting to be understood by the rest of my townmates + what I can do to show my intentions with more clarity as town. Many people in the past; in past games scumread me based on that. Based on how I posted and playstyle (for example neighborhood game I was in)... and that's why I started really getting frustrated. All I can be like is like oh go read my games or "refer to my meta" but it starts getting annoying to do that because Mafia isn't a game about meta... I made a pledge to do better this year with creating a new way of I played and it was good actually for some new games. But now I am back to square one where I am acting just like how I was in Newbie 2069. My first newbie game. It's weird. Def weird.
And it was sorta sheeping at times. We did mindmeld which was the +1 townier stuff.
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 5892, Cheeky Wings wrote:@Mo, if you want people to stop coming at you, stop saying things like gf when there’s no valid reason to question Titus’ result. If Titus ever gets an inno on a player that’s flaming obvscum, I could understand this but a cop inno on a townie acting player, why even bother to question that?
here u go again still talking bout it again.
ur a hypocrite.
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 5892, Cheeky Wings wrote:@Mo, if you want people to stop coming at you, stop saying things like gf when there’s no valid reason to question Titus’ result. If Titus ever gets an inno on a player that’s flaming obvscum, I could understand this but a cop inno on a townie acting player, why even bother to question that?
here u go again still talking bout it again.
ur a hypocrite.
No, I’m trying to get you to understand cause and effect wrt to those posts of yours that are causing you negative reactions from other players because it keeps happening and I honestly wouldn’t care but you seem to get upset everytime it happens, so it’s just painful to watch.
before i go real quick. i thought clem was SCUM. you thinking "a townie acting player" that is subjective!
clem wasnt cofnrimed town before the check. i just rose that possibility becuase i scumread clem and kept having them in my solve and then ppl would say "oh clem is confirmed" etcetc.. im like damn that goes my solve...
its not a stupid possibility -- its a VERY viable possibility especially in a rolemadness game. i just happen to propose my thoughts.
why as scum do i do this to get all the attention to me?? it makes no sense to stir up this viable paranoia right literally when i said to shutup bout it.
now im munching the snickers
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 5892, Cheeky Wings wrote:@Mo, if you want people to stop coming at you, stop saying things like gf when there’s no valid reason to question Titus’ result. If Titus ever gets an inno on a player that’s flaming obvscum, I could understand this but a cop inno on a townie acting player, why even bother to question that?
here u go again still talking bout it again.
ur a hypocrite.
No, I’m trying to get you to understand cause and effect wrt to those posts of yours that are causing you negative reactions from other players because it keeps happening and I honestly wouldn’t care but you seem to get upset everytime it happens, so it’s just painful to watch.
before i go real quick. i thought clem was SCUM. you thinking "a townie acting player" that is subjective!
clem wasnt cofnrimed town before the check. i just rose that possibility becuase i scumread clem and kept having them in my solve and then ppl would say "oh clem is confirmed" etcetc.. im like damn that goes my solve...
its not a stupid possibility -- its a VERY viable possibility especially in a rolemadness game. i just happen to propose my thoughts.
why as scum do i do this to get all the attention to me?? it makes no sense to stir up this viable paranoia right literally when i said to shutup bout it.
now im munching the snickers
I didn’t call you scum but you don’t seem to understand why this is getting you negative reactions. Fine then, I give up.
no i understand ig..
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 5875, GrandpaMo wrote:let's stop talking bout it since its irrelevant and causes unneeded paranoia if necessary.
Yeah, so please stop talking about gf unless something happens in this game to make that seem like a valid possibility.
??? i literally just that like 10 posts ago.
it's your fault that you started talking bout it again.
now lets stop.
Are you serious? *brain starts to hurt*
my brain is literally hurting because u literally bring it up again gosh
like i say to shutup bout it
then u come and talk bout it again then say to shutup bout it???
Okay fine, ignore my advice then, just don’t get upset when you get pushed for those kind of posts.
nancy.
there was no advice given, it was just you restating what i said to diminish/ degrade me.
did you skip over me and taly's interaction me and them were actually talking bout me and those "posts"
so just please if you're gonna k
atp nvm
I’m seriously hurt that that’s what you think of me, I’m very clearly trying to help you here whether you realize it or not.
im sorry ...
im really really sorry :/
im just ...
lost.
im very confused. and dk wtf to do anymore.
it just feels like no one believes me anymore.
and it feels like i tried my absolute best and no one is trying their absolute best to read me correctly :/
Because you’re arguing for the possible over the probable. Do we know with 100% certainty that there isn’t a gf in this setup? Of course not but to assume one exists with no evidence to support it doesn’t help town. You should assume Titus’ result is valid unless something in the game happens to give you good reason to question it. The odds of Titus’ result not being valid is extremely unlikely, so it’s extremely frustrating that you’re questioning that. And considering we also have a miller claim is even further reason to not doubt it. I do think that volunteering you were jk’d during a no kill is highly town indicative behaviour even if there was no cop inno but it confirms my Clemency read I already had as a result of his claim.
the problem with that is that i am in favor with titus as the cop claim its just you shouldnt always discredit the possible in terms of getting close to mylo / lylo. but piecing everything together it isn't probable, you are right and that's why i just shutup about it ... but it isn't something we SHOULDNT thinkbout... like do u understand? we assume titus is real because of the probablity but we shouldnt give that option away becuase of its possibility.
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
its probably because i play alot of voice mafia / mafia.gg
and that is hosted on mafia.gg which is text mafia -- and the expierence with that is different. im still not used to the role asusmptions on mafiascum..
and i just came into this game thinking it was gonna be a rolemadness game similar to that of mafia.gg
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
I do but at this point, it isn’t helpful, so that’s why Occam’s razor is correct the vast majority of the time. In Labrynth, incidentally another RC game, some people had this incorrect theory that the hard claimed town bg was actually a scum doc. Well they were in fact town bg and we almost lost the game because of unsubstantiated tin foil.
I should have downloaded the NextDoor app for us instead.
You're probably right. It's funny that it was another RC game... I will call it the RC Curse. However, I will research more on Occam's razor... It's a very interesting topic that I fall into victim of a lot as town not just here but in my other platforms I play mafia in. No one has said anything till now -- Interesting.
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
Thanks but I already took my maximum dose. Perhaps champagne and chocolate truffles might be more helpful? Why would you give me vitamins of all things?
Hm...
I can only give you stuff you would find in your local resturant. I don't have any champagne or chocolate truffles... that's too expensive for me.
I can give you fries, fried chicken, salads.
I can also give you Chocolate-dipped Fresh Strawberry Skewers
I can also give you ice cream...
I have shrimp too!!
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 5908, GrandpaMo wrote:its probably because i play alot of voice mafia / mafia.gg
and that is hosted on mafia.gg which is text mafia -- and the expierence with that is different. im still not used to the role asusmptions on mafiascum..
and i just came into this game thinking it was gonna be a rolemadness game similar to that of mafia.gg
There's a mafia community that I haven't been a part of....
Look out. Here I come.
Uh. You do NOT want to be apart of this.
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
Thanks but I already took my maximum dose. Perhaps champagne and chocolate truffles might be more helpful? Why would you give me vitamins of all things?
Hm...
I can only give you stuff you would find in your local resturant. I don't have any champagne or chocolate truffles... that's too expensive for me.
I can give you fries, fried chicken, salads.
I can also give you Chocolate-dipped Fresh Strawberry Skewers
I can also give you ice cream...
I have shrimp too!!
However, I gave you a full plate of Vitamins because you need it.
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
Thanks but I already took my maximum dose. Perhaps champagne and chocolate truffles might be more helpful? Why would you give me vitamins of all things?
Hm...
I can only give you stuff you would find in your local resturant. I don't have any champagne or chocolate truffles... that's too expensive for me.
I can give you fries, fried chicken, salads.
I can also give you Chocolate-dipped Fresh Strawberry Skewers
I can also give you ice cream...
I have shrimp too!!
I prefer lobster, I have expensve tastes.
Spoiler:
OKay fine... but that's only in certain locations.
Captain George's is the best location for you then... they have variety of options of seafood (expensive seafood too!)
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 5745, Taly wrote:I'm seconds away from tunneling GMO tbh
feel free to. everyone who tried to make up random shit about me including galron and questions from nancy (i think)... i have responded to them and im assuming i answered it aquedtly hearing nothing back..
its just starting to get wack because the only reason people are starting to scumread me is because of my "playstyle" which in fact is NAI and galron should know this the most since they played scum with me... my scum meta is obvious and dk why galron is acting in a predictiment that he knows my scum meta and its showing here? even tho if u compare the game ucan see the differences.
Overreact much? What about your scum meta is different than what you've been doing this game?
you've played with me so you should know.
but my scummeta involves me playing more passivly that nature. i play out wifom sitatuions as well
in this game, i have not said anythig that could be meant for wifom, im playing very aggressivly than normal as seen in mytown meta and in that game i played with you, my ate consists of me bitching about the other person instead of me. i think thats the biggest difference... in this game, my emotional reactness seems more geninune since now i see it talking bout me vs my scum emotional reactness where its feeling bad for myself because of said player
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
we literally have the same reads that u sheeped of me ;-;
except a little differences. just iso me my dude.
"read my 400 post ISO"
Just tell him what your reads are. Don't be so lazy.
doug this was to them. the only reason i didnt give them my certain reads was because i gave them a recently on that page earlier as well as responding in a way where they should have known my reads.
this post feels awkward to me. why the subtle aggressiveness to defend taly there especially when taly themselves havent said anything in response?
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 6034, jjh927 wrote:Woooooow I criticise how NK15 has literally only 2 reads which he has linked together and neither of them are townreads
And then he adds in another scumread on another player who is not scum and a badly articulated townread which boils down to "this feels town"
This is absolutely an attempt to respond to my push
do u think they are scum?
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 6044, jjh927 wrote:1. They cannot be elimed in day 1
2. I suspect that NK15's role is a dreaming god or something similar and his disappearance in day 1 is a result of that. Dreaming gods tend to have mixed utility
can u explain that utlity
what dispearence for scum benefits the scum team?
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 6044, jjh927 wrote:1. They cannot be elimed in day 1
2. I suspect that NK15's role is a dreaming god or something similar and his disappearance in day 1 is a result of that. Dreaming gods tend to have mixed utility
can u explain that utlity
what dispearence for scum benefits the scum team?
before u start asking this inane question.
do u have some sort of argument why its a town role or is this pointless
i dont see it as a benefit for either allignment. im just speccing the role as in if they are scum then why utlity causes them to disappear day 1
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
we literally have the same reads that u sheeped of me ;-;
except a little differences. just iso me my dude.
"read my 400 post ISO"
Just tell him what your reads are. Don't be so lazy.
doug this was to them. the only reason i didnt give them my certain reads was because i gave them a recently on that page earlier as well as responding in a way where they should have known my reads.
this post feels awkward to me. why the subtle aggressiveness to defend taly there especially when taly themselves havent said anything in response?
It's not a defense of Taly. It's a policy thing with me. It's like when people don't use post tags regularly when the refer to a past post. It would be super simple to say "Taly I did that a page ago" rather than say "read my ISO" when they're not going to come across your reads until the end of the 400-post ISO. You could just say, I just did this or look back yourself and link to it.
understandable. but from my perspective its like you giving a whole tantrum on the question then they just be like whats the question again? thats how i felt
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
personal/hydra PTs will only be released under specific request, mod pt contains discussion pertinent to potential future games so that's not gonna be released either
You can release mine
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
In post 7519, RadiantCowbells wrote:The prayers of many have reached Sanae Kochiya in their dying moments, bolstering her power and fueling her ascension to godhood.
As her power waxes she reaches her 13th prayer and creates a miracle, ascending to divinity and winning the game for her team.
Sakura Hana was Sanae Kochiya, Wind Priestess.
Spoiler: Role PM
Your fakeclaim is as follows:
Anything uPick has ended!
oh wait we just won because of sakura's role. nice. i think we played overall well. i was supposed to be dead at day 2 but i somehow i stayed alive till like day 4 or 5
"With grandpa in the game the postcount goes up and up and up and up...." - T3
