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Post Post #6588 (isolation #400) » Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:44 am

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In post 6586, Cheeky Wings wrote:And if the attatcher/redirector is scum then I think that makes T3 town since scum wouldn't want to help unknown town role. My brain hurts when I try to understand the implications for Ydrasse being targeted N1.
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I don't really understand the role interactions either tbh
You say T3 can still be scum as long as the attacher is town though, yeah?
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Post Post #6589 (isolation #401) » Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:45 am

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Are you gonna go confirm that I wasn't in fact lying about contradicting Mo soon
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Post Post #6592 (isolation #402) » Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:53 am

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Indeed if the only person who claims to interact with it is T3, it could be his fabrication. Not sure how to evaluate the probability of that
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Post Post #6593 (isolation #403) » Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:53 am

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Can anyone confirm a PT that was on only one side of the wall and therefore remained open, btw
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Post Post #6595 (isolation #404) » Thu Dec 09, 2021 11:56 am

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That is what I said in just in different words
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Post Post #6722 (isolation #405) » Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:04 pm

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So the case for T3 being town is that scum!attacher would have helped scum!T3 by now and scum!attacher = true because town!attacher would also have helped T3 by now?

Can't town!attacher just have been too paranoid of scum!T3 to enable his role? Can't scum!T3 just be lying about whether they have been helped by scum!attacher?
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Post Post #6723 (isolation #406) » Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:06 pm

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In post 6601, Cheeky Wings wrote:Noone except Taly claimed their hood was closed from day start AND since Taly claimed that in the thread obviously GMo shouldn't have claimed to be in an open hood. So if the information was already public it doesn't seem like it matters if their scum partners knew or not to claim being in an open hood
Can you point me to when Taly said that? Clearly I missed it
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Post Post #6724 (isolation #407) » Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:11 pm

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In post 6692, Cheeky Wings wrote:
In post 6685, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 1767, Deimos27 wrote:I literally cased Gamma's Ircher vote in a neighbourhood and that argument involved indirect soft defense of Ircher's readslist with comments saying e.g. that the readslist was "RVSy" and that the high confidence figures are obviously ironic and to suggest otherwise is "ridiculous".

GLB is not in said neighbourhood

Yet fire's comments were iirc very much in the context of that particular readslist, and they said they thought it was
me
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Implies they were communicated the content of my case in a scum PT and misremembered that it was in main thread

Implies guilt
Just found this while going through Deimos' ISO.
VOTE: GLB
I would like to see what Deimos' thoughts are on this.
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That potential slip is a factor that has been playing in the back of my head all game wrt GLB. I suppose I am somewhat surprised that NK15 puts so much faith in my account of things, unless they are tr'ing me for something.
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Post Post #6729 (isolation #408) » Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:16 pm

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is pretty nutty
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Post Post #6896 (isolation #409) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:06 am

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Why did gypyx want ratmans?
VP's timeline suggests that he was the driving force of the lim.
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Post Post #6902 (isolation #410) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:13 am

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Actually I just remembered gypyx claimed elo IC so that slot doesn't really need touching until then
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Post Post #6903 (isolation #411) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:14 am

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In post 6901, Not Known 15 wrote:There is a minimum of one scum in each of {NATO, UDSSR},due to two different nightkills
This I did not realise. So Mo was definitely not the only scum in WB.
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Post Post #6906 (isolation #412) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:18 am

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In post 6903, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 6901, Not Known 15 wrote:There is a minimum of one scum in each of {NATO, UDSSR},due to two different nightkills
This I did not realise. So Mo was definitely not the only scum in WB.
Kinda crazy that if NK had put all scum in one bloc the other wouldn't have had a night kill and all its members would be automatically cleared? An improbable outcome but wild game-design wise that it would even be possible
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Post Post #6907 (isolation #413) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:20 am

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In post 6906, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 6903, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 6901, Not Known 15 wrote:There is a minimum of one scum in each of {NATO, UDSSR},due to two different nightkills
This I did not realise. So Mo was definitely not the only scum in WB.
Kinda crazy that if NK had put all scum in one bloc the other wouldn't have had a night kill and all its members would be automatically cleared? An improbable outcome but wild game-design wise that it would even be possible
Wondering if this increases the likelihood of scum!NK as that would be one way mechanically to guarantee that scum would be allocated to both blocs and we wouldn't accidentally have half the game cleared
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Post Post #6917 (isolation #414) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 7:59 am

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In fact you are correct
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Post Post #6918 (isolation #415) » Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:00 am

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In post 6909, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 6902, Deimos27 wrote:Actually I just remembered gypyx claimed elo IC so that slot doesn't really need touching until then
Not sure I'm 100% on board with this. Seems like it could be a gambit, but dealing with it isn't a priority right now.
They are either conftown or confscum at elo so the slot solves itself at that point
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Post Post #7188 (isolation #416) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:19 am

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In post 7142, VP Baltar wrote:I know Deimos is town
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Post Post #7189 (isolation #417) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:21 am

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VOTE: SS
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Post Post #7192 (isolation #418) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:29 am

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SS was EB right so the confirmed scum in WB is who we hunt next for poe
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Post Post #7194 (isolation #419) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:31 am

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You're already hammered by double voter
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Post Post #7196 (isolation #420) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:36 am

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Ah well it was worth a shot
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Post Post #7197 (isolation #421) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:36 am

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UNVOTE:
Not because I doubt the guilty even a bit but because we can chill a little longer to plan our next moves
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Post Post #7198 (isolation #422) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:37 am

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So to be clear your defense is that scum redirected Sakura's parity cop on you onto someone else?
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Post Post #7199 (isolation #423) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:39 am

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You may like to claim the rest of your role now anyway
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Post Post #7202 (isolation #424) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:41 am

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I did not know Sakura was claimed
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Post Post #7203 (isolation #425) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:41 am

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Remind me what happened to Ydra
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Post Post #7206 (isolation #426) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:51 am

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The way investigatives interact with that is receiving the name of the new target along with the result right
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Post Post #7207 (isolation #427) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:52 am

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I guess Sakura will get back to us on that
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Post Post #7230 (isolation #428) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:35 am

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Either Ydra is lying or there is indeed a scum role at least somehow akin to a redirector or bus driver. If they were town they really should've claimed by now.
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Post Post #7231 (isolation #429) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:39 am

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Would a redirector get to redirect both of Sakura's targets?
If they only got to redirect one target how would it be decided which?
So presumably they get to redirect both.

But then they must have guessed that Sakura was only parity cop or else they wouldn't have redirected to scum with one of the shots in case they just gave a free guilty?
Had Sakura claimed the parity modifier?
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Post Post #7232 (isolation #430) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:43 am

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Oh no wait yeah I'm being dumb.
Redirector wouldn't try intentionally to mislead Sakura with a fake positive in the first place because they don't know whether Sakura did investigate 1 scum 1 town. The only safe play is to redirect to two players with the same alignment.
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Post Post #7233 (isolation #431) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:43 am

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So either way I don't see scum motivation to redirect a target to themselves
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Post Post #7234 (isolation #432) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:44 am

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So it would have to be a clutch bus driver
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Post Post #7235 (isolation #433) » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:46 am

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In post 7204, Something_Smart wrote:She Claimed To Have Targeted Gypyx But T3 And Clemency Got The Notifications Instead
Did we ever get an explanation of how 2 people were affected? No normal bus driver could accomplish that.
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Post Post #7258 (isolation #434) » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:15 pm

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In post 7255, Something_Smart wrote:Oh Hey Great Can We Actually Engage My Arguments Now
Which arguments
Not much point debating your alignment anymore
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Post Post #7273 (isolation #435) » Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:49 am

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I entirely forgot about this game
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Post Post #7274 (isolation #436) » Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:50 am

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If it's not painfully obvious I was masons with Clem/VP
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Post Post #7275 (isolation #437) » Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:58 am

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VOTE: T3
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Post Post #7308 (isolation #438) » Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:56 am

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In post 7302, Galron wrote:I'm not seeing the reason for limming T3.
We know there is scum in Western Block from the fact there was an nk (we no longer know this of EB because SS died).

Still alive from WB:
T3/GLB/Enchant/Taly/Deimos

I am conftown through VP
GLB/Taly are locktown atp
Leaves simple PoE through limming T3 + Enchant
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Post Post #7479 (isolation #439) » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:29 pm

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I may have forgotten this game exists again
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Post Post #7480 (isolation #440) » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:29 pm

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Only now got prodded
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Post Post #7481 (isolation #441) » Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:49 pm

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Galron is E-1 right
Why is he pushing me is that a scumclaim
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Post Post #7482 (isolation #442) » Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:06 pm

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Is there any logic to nolimming since it's 6p
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Post Post #7483 (isolation #443) » Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:30 pm

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In post 7264, RadiantCowbells wrote:Happy birthday, SS! You have received: a lim.

Spoiler: Role PM
Welcome, Queen. You are Queen, Q5U4EX7YY2E9N, Mafia Post-Restricted Redirector 1-Shot Vanillaizer.

I Just Want To Make Everyone Smile And If I Become An Evil Villain To Accomplish That Is That Bad?


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Werewire Cable (Redirector): Each night you may hypnotize someone with a Werewire cable and cause them to target another player with their action. If their action targets multiple targets, the first target will change. If it is not able to target the new target for any reason, it will fail.
Roboticized Face (1-Shot Vanillaizer): Once per game you may roboticize someone's face, transforming them into a Vanilla Townie.
Mafia (Mafia): You are aligned with the Mafia and can discuss the game with your teammates here.

You win when the Town have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.


Night ends at earlier but similar time tomorrow!
Reminder that S_S claimed reflexively rb'd by Ydra N2 and we have confirmation that their role is 1-shot vanillaizer so clearly S_S tried to vanillaize Ydra (logical, as scum would have thought Ydra is normal JK still at that point) so Ydra is town.

GLB later claimed vanillaized so clearly S_S ended up using the ability on GLB so they are town also (if there was even any doubt anymore).
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Post Post #7484 (isolation #444) » Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:31 pm

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Sakura is mech conftown now for the vig, Taly is just super duper locktown
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Post Post #7485 (isolation #445) » Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:32 pm

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So this is solved
VOTE: Galron
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Post Post #7486 (isolation #446) » Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:34 pm

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Something I'm still unclear about actually is why GLB ended up in our hood after getting vanillaized. GLB what's your flavour again
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Post Post #7487 (isolation #447) » Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:38 pm

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Wait no S_S also had redirector in their role so they were possibly redirecting Ydra instead of vanillaizing. Same thing, though. They wouldn't waste the redirect on scumbuddy.
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Post Post #7488 (isolation #448) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:22 am

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My belief in the Taly TR is very very strong so if this miraculously flips green there have been pro plays by either GLB or Ydra and I task the people with figuring out which
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Post Post #7513 (isolation #449) » Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:17 pm

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VOTE: Fast Twilight
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Post Post #7573 (isolation #450) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:24 am

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RIPPP I gave the losing prayer
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Post Post #7574 (isolation #451) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:25 am

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I consciously had warning bells ringing in my head like IF SAKURA IS 2S WHY DIDN'T SHE SHOOT AGAIN TONIGHT but I convinced myself that since she caught not one but two scum singlehandedly she had to be town
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Post Post #7576 (isolation #452) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:28 am

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I was thinking we must be so close to 13 we can still win with this
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Post Post #7577 (isolation #453) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:28 am

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Indeed we were close to 13 lmao
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Post Post #7578 (isolation #454) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:33 am

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My play was heaps of rubbish this game, but I can't say I'm that frustrated about the loss given how epic this ending turned out to be
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Post Post #7580 (isolation #455) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:44 am

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15 town were dead right?
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Post Post #7582 (isolation #456) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:46 am

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But yeah I don't think there was a guarantee that 13 faith would be amassed even by bussing from D1
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Post Post #7585 (isolation #457) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:50 am

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Me at Taly's and Fire's throats last night in the hood like "which of these BASTARDS has the wool over my eyes" lol. And then when Fire starts speculating about what's going on with Ydra's 2S I'm like "doesn't matter to me"
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Post Post #7586 (isolation #458) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:50 am

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Not Ydra, Sakura's 2S
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Post Post #7587 (isolation #459) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:51 am

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I should've taken up that line of enquiry with you
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Post Post #7589 (isolation #460) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:53 am

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Hindsight is 20/20 but this game was still winnable
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Post Post #7590 (isolation #461) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:54 am

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In post 7588, Sakura Hana wrote:I mean to be fair, It was a disloyal vig claim, so a shot on town would have missed.
OH ok yeah no this was doomed then I was always praying for you
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Post Post #7602 (isolation #462) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:05 pm

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In post 7600, Firebringer wrote:Its actually amazing how much under the radar u got with how much paranoia we had in our hood. I legit was questioning whether deimos could be a scum mason at one point, RC was so pissed at our stupid questions.
We all considered literally everyone else in the game being scum except sakura it was pretty nuts
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Post Post #7607 (isolation #463) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:09 pm

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Again, 13 faith is so much that I don't think there was ever a guarantee of accruing it, no matter the amount of bussing. I think the role was reasonable and we had tools to catch her during the night even if otherwise it would've been pretty difficult to justify a lim there.
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Post Post #7612 (isolation #464) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:11 pm

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In post 7606, Firebringer wrote:
In post 7604, Something_Smart wrote:I considered the "no action and have a buddy claim vanillaized" play. It's something I would do. I think I rejected it because Enchant would be a terrible target for a scum vanillaizer, but I don't think it's out of the question that I would do it with you.
okay but literally no one argued it. they just were like "ur scum" and im like "well what about all these mechanic reasons im not do u think all this is fake" they would go "ohh good point"
It was literally people not paying attention to game not like they believed this was scum gambit plays which is different

shout out to JJH he was the hero town didn't deserve with how on point he was in whole game.
I did mention that you would need to be lying about being vanillaized, but admittedly I never considered that scum would intentionally vanillaize a buddy, no
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Post Post #7616 (isolation #465) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:12 pm

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Oh wait you two were talking about a fake vanillaize all along. Yeah I did mention it if not argue it because I didn't believe you were scum firmly enough at any point to argue anything
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Post Post #7620 (isolation #466) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:15 pm

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In post 7617, Something_Smart wrote:Town really didn't think very critically about mechanics this game.

I remember a very memorable scumgame where I was spewing some bullshit and then Jingle replaced in and proceeded to make a chart of all the mechanical claims and info and I could immediately tell I was sunk.

Someone like that would have been a godsend for town here. Wouldn't necessarily have made the difference, but it would have been a lot closer.
I certainly never had enough wim to be that guy. I was never solving this one given my level of effort sadly
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Post Post #7624 (isolation #467) » Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:19 pm

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Alright I better haul myself to bed.
Thanks to RC, well played to scum, especially sakura.

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