KTaNE [game over!]

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Andante
This is scum this game

Btw, we can unvote someone for defuser if we want somehow? I presume?

[Dwlee99]

4 GB Inc. infiltrators (the mafia).

PookyTheMagicalBear
Andante
<scum 3>
<scum 4>

[Dwlee99]

Btw, we can unvote someone for defuser if we want somehow? I presume?

Hurt tags, assuming you mean bomb expert

Yes ty

Dwlee, why is andante scum?

She just is I get this vibe

1.) She's always scum
2.) Seriously read her post she's just scum
3.) Pooky is scum for not also realizing she is scum yet and killing her

[Dwlee99]

Tbh I'm still in shock you were town in the last datisi game

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Ceprir

I guess I can't argue with that, probability is on your side.

I think protecting townreads with the bomb expert might be a fruitless venture since they can't be picked back to back. And idk if it's worth wasting a ton of good picks tonight when future expert positions require us to get fewer right. I kinda want to just throw the picks today to whoever, but if we do have express scumreads going in, keep them in the same group?

this is mega self-conscious oof

[Dwlee99]

Tbh I'm still in shock you were town in the last datisi game

so cause I was the "scummiest town ever" there, that makes me maf this game?

yes

[Dwlee99]

I'm having fun

[Dwlee99]

Why are you instantly tilted that I've said you can be scum

[Dwlee99]

You're on my list pooks

[Dwlee99]

Why are you instantly tilted that I've said you can be scum

cause it's literally just annoying when it's done every single game, and I was literally doing stuff, and you just do that, completely make me lose my train of thought, and I've literally forgotten what I was thinking, so whatever... if people can be coasty town, I want that role. Someone else can come up with good reads. I'll sheep.

This is just not my fault

[Dwlee99]

Like at all lol

I scumread you in the last datisi game. I think our previous game together I probably townread you? This isn't a super longstanding pattern like you're making it out to be

[Dwlee99]

Pooky how can you beetlejuice like this with zero impunity
VOTE: pooky

[Dwlee99]

HEAL: catboi[/heall]
HEAL: morning tweet

[Dwlee99]

oh god

HEAL: catboi
HEAL: morning tweet

[Dwlee99]

Pooky how can you beetlejuice like this with zero impunity
VOTE: pooky

what r u even talking about I just got done doing laundry and had some time to play.

laundry on a wednesday night?

suspicious...

Normal people do their laundry at 4am on a Wednesday like I did.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: andante
we going back

[Dwlee99]

Not gonna lie, I hate Dwlee's entrance here, feels like they're not even trying.. like "oh hahaha andante vote!!" then "lol get pooky" like, this is your entrance.... hello?? most of us are past rvs... wanna give real thoughts on something?

Why would you be inclined to lie in the first place?

Spoiler:

[Dwlee99]

My scumread on Andante is slowly growing

[Dwlee99]

That I'm town and Andante isn't Koba.

[Dwlee99]

There's also the fact that I was genuinely scumreading Koba when I did the similar thing - it was multiball. If anything this being similar should be town!indicative in singleball :^)

[Dwlee99]

1. Andante
2. Cephrir
3. Pooky?
4. Hmm maybe this list isn't good because it's only people that have posted while I've been around...

[Dwlee99]

*scum can you please nom Frogster king first as bomb guy.

Pedit: feels fake.

What does?

[Dwlee99]

*scum can you please nom Frogster king first as bomb guy.

Pedit: feels fake.

What does?

The part after your reads list where you talk to the air.

No

I mean do you think I lack that much self-awareness.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee99

>:(

[Dwlee99]

*scum can you please nom Frogster king first as bomb guy.

Pedit: feels fake.

What does?

The part after your reads list where you talk to the air.

No

I mean do you think I lack that much self-awareness.

No. Actually. I think you’re aware that you’re posting how you’re posting.

By saying you think it was fake you're saying I wouldn't be self-aware enough to know that my list of only people that have posted recently all being scum is very unlikely to be right

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee99

>:(

I mean, what have you done that I should read into and sort you from? Like, if you expect a TR from "IM ENTERING AND VOTING ANDANTE" think again, cause like, I've been on top of this game, trying my best to sort people, and you literally just "don't care! andante maf!!" like, makes me feel like I'm wasting my time if you are town, so... not a great feeling, cause if I said something you hate, again, feel free to point it out, ask questions...

but yeah, got stuff to do, and if I didn't post my thoughts, yall are getting like an entirely new readslist tomorrow..

You said you had thoughts and then just left me blank

Dwlee are you town?

Yea

Are they using their trauma for good or evil

I think the best thing is to look past stuff like that and look at her analysis. She's enthusiastically solving and trying to analyze with some level of depth, so probably town.

Andante's scum game is perfectly capable and she can do enthusiasm as scum. This is a bad reason to townread her.

Are they using their trauma for good or evil

I think the best thing is to look past stuff like that and look at her analysis. She's enthusiastically solving and trying to analyze with some level of depth, so probably town.

I don't have enough meta to know if they can fake enthusiastically solve. I don't have a grasp on their scum game.

Andante's town game is obvious because she gives a bunch of wild changing reads, buddies up to anyone who calls her town, and omgus anyone who calls her scum. (No disrespect, she just plays a very emotionally transparent game)

This is also a bad meta analysis of Andante. She has a capable scum game

I feel like Pooky would need to have really polished scum play for their current iso to come from scum.

I feel Catboi is TMIing with their VP and Andante reads,

but maybe he's just got good reads.

Luke complaining about the catch up and overreacting to my read is a bad look.

Pooky's scum winrate is big is a frequent endgame scum so

Frogster here feels so different from his scumgame in Internal Affairs that he's probably my strongest townread right now. What's caught your eye there, Andante?

I'm hoping you're town here too Cat, it will help out my PoE a lot.

Like at all lol

I scumread you in the last datisi game. I think our previous game together I probably townread you? This isn't a super longstanding pattern like you're making it out to be

I want to know which games Dwlee is referring to here.

*scum can you please nom Frogster king first as bomb guy.

Pedit: feels fake.

Bell can you explain what you were attempting to communicate here?

previous game? uhhh I believe there's 2 recent nes that come to mind
jk just the 1
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88949

ahhh see, everything just blurs together, but sure, funny once, repeat it? gets old

I think I understand but I don't really see it myself, I think Dwlee this game looks like a bad imitation of Dwlee's townplay from Infernal Affairs. I think Dwlee is a good candidate for the scum bucket.

LOL
VOTE: Frogster king
This a scum claim. Tell me what I did in infernal affairs that you think I'm poorly imitating?

I strongly dislike dwlee's Andante push.

Andante feels townish here, and I also know she's kind of an easy mislim having fallen into the trap of tunneling her more than once recently. I think dwlee knows this too.

That people are playing around her like this is actually what makes me think she is scum. She is actually townier as scum and that everyone townreads her when she is normally a controversial day one slot is very scum-indicative imo

[Dwlee99]

Why were you scumreading Andante then, dwlee?

The last paragraph?

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee I'm tempted not to answer your question because I get the sense 530 is cherry picked.

LOL
VOTE: Frogster king
This a scum claim. Tell me what I did in infernal affairs that you think I'm poorly imitating?

Fine; I think you're poorly imitating your D1 play from infernal affairs.

Okay and what was in my D1 play that isn't here?

[Dwlee99]

Okay so yea Frogster is scum.

For context for those who weren't in infernal affairs... I died N1. So duh the only thing he could compare would be my D1. But this is presented as an answer when it's the vaguest possible thing he could say. And now he is gone and not actually explaining what was different because it was made up to push me.

[Dwlee99]

Also CSF's pseudopush on me bad

[Dwlee99]

Like 532 implies they didn't even bother reading the last paragraph of 530 which was a direct response to them about my andante scumread.

[Dwlee99]

Ok so what's your answer

[Dwlee99]

Why were you scumreading Andante then, dwlee?

The last paragraph?

That people are playing around her like this is actually what makes me think she is scum.

She is actually townier as scum and that everyone townreads her when she is normally a controversial day one slot is very scum-indicative imo

I'm not sure this really tracks. This reason feels more like something that was made up after the fact.

I went back and reread the posts between Andante's first post and your first post. There were, if I'm being generous, 3 [1][2][3] townreads and one possible scumread on Andante before you voted for her.

From whom did you get the impression that people were playing around her?

When I entered the game I didn't scumread her yet, that was for reactions.

Dwlee I'm tempted not to answer your question because I get the sense 530 is cherry picked.

LOL
VOTE: Frogster king
This a scum claim. Tell me what I did in infernal affairs that you think I'm poorly imitating?

Fine; I think you're poorly imitating your D1 play from infernal affairs.

Okay and what was in my D1 play that isn't here?

Okay so yea Frogster is scum.

For context for those who weren't in infernal affairs... I died N1. So duh the only thing he could compare would be my D1. But this is presented as an answer when it's the vaguest possible thing he could say. And now he is gone and not actually explaining what was different because it was made up to push me.

In infernal affairs you had good reads and were scum hunting. It took you longer to get reads and they were pretty accurate and it seemed like they had some thought put into them. Yeah you tunneled Andante and that was bad but you were correct about Scorpius and I, and it took some bickering between you and Andante for you to actually tunnel them, it didn't just happen right away. Here it seems like you chose targets based on who you wanted to push and then made up bad reasons to justify your targets.

Also in this game you seem kind of like a troll and like you're hoping to get tone read based on your bravura. I feel like you're a little a trolly in the D1 of infernal affairs but you also come off as competent and your tone changes between your posts.

It's been less than a day into this game and I spent almost all of my time in infernal affairs in the vigilante thread instead of in the day thread so...?

[Dwlee99]

I do not think you can look at this ISO and come away with the conclusions you did

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

"It took you longer to get reads" is just objectively false for instance

[Dwlee99]

Pushing me? And the fact that he got called on his BS means he'd have to come up with something to say

[Dwlee99]

If you're on desktop you can pull up my ISO in that game and compare it to the paragraph of Frogster describing it. It doesn't actually match up

[Dwlee99]

You really need to come up with a better scum strategy than shit pushing a random townie

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee you slipped an associative tell on one of your partners. If you look through your iso you'll see what I'm referring to.

Ceph is telling the truth though Dwlee, if you're town what do you think is the real reason we're tunneling each other?

Dwlee I think my push on you was obviously kind of shit, I'm thinking maybe your push on Andante was obviously kind of shit too, and we're both townies motivated by similar things?

And Ceph is the real scum here for trying to pocket me, TMIing us as town and staying out of the main conflicts?

This sequence is just very bad

[Dwlee99]

Are they using their trauma for good or evil

I think the best thing is to look past stuff like that and look at her analysis. She's enthusiastically solving and trying to analyze with some level of depth, so probably town.

Andante's scum game is perfectly capable and she can do enthusiasm as scum. This is a bad reason to townread her.

This is a very bad interpretation of what I said that almost misses the point entirely. The point is not that she is

posting

with enthusiasm but that her

solving

is enthusiastic. I could go at length to explain

If, in your estimation, she has a "capable" scum game, why is she clearly scum here?

I'm pretty sure she did the same thing in the ISO she linked (I was in that game)

I strongly dislike dwlee's Andante push.

Andante feels townish here, and I also know she's kind of an easy mislim having fallen into the trap of tunneling her more than once recently. I think dwlee knows this too.

That people are playing around her like this is actually what makes me think she is scum. She is actually townier as scum and that everyone townreads her when she is normally a controversial day one slot is very scum-indicative imo

That sh has a tendency to step on rakes is true, but isn't it just as possible that enough people here are familiar with her that they're less likely to misread her? I don't buy at all the argument that more people townreading her makes her scum.

I don't think this is true? How much experience does the playerlist have with Andante?

[Dwlee99]

andante town
Lukewarm scum
vp still scum
Frogster town
Cephrir scum

just need one more, maybe bell randed scum again lul

@catboi alright, hmmm, yeah I know only 11 posts, like, it's not a SR I'd die on right now, but it's just, I can't get over the like "perfect takes" like, I'd SR that over bell's "look for yourself" reasoning, idk!! we'll see what happens

the townreads from CSF on you and frogsterking are, at this point, uncontroversial, and could come from either alignment. The confidence in those reads

could

be a scum POV but I wouldn't stake anything on it, and on a third reread I like the questioning toward dwlee, in particular 543. I think she's fine for now.


Meanwhile, I don't think Luke is posting from a town mindset, he's overly focused on playing defense, and I don't think 610 is a read town makes, like, ever.

We are

really

not syncing up here and I want to know why. I don't have a reason to think we would, particularly, but it feels like we are disagreeing on pretty much everything except that Luke could be scum.

[Dwlee99]

Ignore praetorian quote
VOTE: Lukewarm
No reason why I'm in null scum bad

[Dwlee99]

Frogster
Andante
Luke
Pooky
Andres
Are who I want to focus on this phase I think

[Dwlee99]

Actually catboi too I want that sorted
HURT: Catboi

[Dwlee99]

I am good at hoods and would like to be in one

[Dwlee99]

Frogster
Andante
Luke
Pooky
Andres
Are who I want to focus on this phase I think

Why andres?

Too much mech from him. He doesn't strike me as the type to normally want to delve into mechs before dayplay and I think him doing so is scummy.

[Dwlee99]

Frogster
Andante
Luke
Pooky
Andres
Are who I want to focus on this phase I think

Also CSF
Complete list:
Frogster
Andante
Luke
Pooky
Andres
Catboi
CSF

[Dwlee99]

Is praetorian koba...

Also: I didn't /read/ a single Andante post prior to 293 but I had noted big posts and wanted to poke the bear so to speak.

Also:

I strongly dislike dwlee's Andante push.

Andante feels townish here, and I also know she's kind of an easy mislim having fallen into the trap of tunneling her more than once recently. I think dwlee knows this too.

What specifically don't you like about Dwlee's push?

Felt opportunistic to me like someone pushing a known easy mislim

I gave 351 some major side eye

The reasoning given post hoc ("too many people townreading andante --> andante scum) is pretty meh. It's so early in the game, it feels weird to make a gamestate read like that when people's reads are subject to change easily

Also, what about Andante's play makes her town in your eyes?

Helped push the game out of the 12 pages of mech talk, feels similar to her other town games

351 was a joke. 360 is unrelated to 351. Also: "it feels weird to make a gamestate read like that," well lemme show you some evidence:

Andante [7]:

Menalque, The Praetorian, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear, fireisredsir, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever

Frogsterking [6]:

Titus, VP Baltar, The Praetorian, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever[/font][/area]

And since then, more people have voted her for defuser. Speaking of which:
HURT: Morning tweet

[Dwlee99]

Frogster
Andante
Luke
Pooky
Andres
Are who I want to focus on this phase I think

Also CSF
Complete list:
Frogster
Andante
Luke
Pooky
Andres
Catboi
CSF

How are you defining "focus" here?

So limited time to solve implies an optimal way to divvy up your solving to maximize utility in reads idk this got too mathy as I was writing it

Anyway, these slots are ones I think have a good chance to contain scum and which have other reasons that solving their alignment will be more helpful.

[Dwlee99]

I don't think I answered the question: I'm going to be paying more attention to these people's posts in relation to other people's posts to analyze.

[Dwlee99]

They weren't even hiding it, how do you not catch on, lol

Does that influence your read of them in any way?

They didn't get in an argument with me so I didn't notice :^)

[Dwlee99]

Shit I have to include GL in my people to focus on list

[Dwlee99]

351 was a joke. 360 is unrelated to 351. Also: "it feels weird to make a gamestate read like that," well lemme show you some evidence:

Andante [7]:

Menalque, The Praetorian, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear, fireisredsir, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever

Frogsterking [6]:

Titus, VP Baltar, The Praetorian, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever[/font][/area]

And since then, more people have voted her for defuser. Speaking of which:
HURT: Morning tweet

Simply because your statement became true later doesn't mean it made sense as a real thought at the time

But when I said that too many people townread Andante it was still true she had a ton of heal votes so what's your point?

[Dwlee99]

Why are you instantly tilted that I've said you can be scum

bad faith question alert

tilt is not scum-indicative

When did I say it was?

[Dwlee99]

Pooky I need your andante read

[Dwlee99]

idk I've been skimming

[Dwlee99]

I didn't see you give an opinion which yea is not scumreading

[Dwlee99]

I've never made up anything in my life

[Dwlee99]

I made that up I have

[Dwlee99]

That was so BS I can't believe you won that game

[Dwlee99]

Not really. GL moved down though. Uhh you need to be right on Andante or I will advocate your instant flip.

[Dwlee99]

I think the last game we played together categorically demonstrates that I am better at reading Andante than you are and I'm kind of confused why you think you would have a better read on her than I do it feels almost like refuge in audacity.

Yes so if you're right cool but if you're wrong you die :^)

This game is fair right

[Dwlee99]

I think the last game we played together categorically demonstrates that I am better at reading Andante than you are and I'm kind of confused why you think you would have a better read on her than I do it feels almost like refuge in audacity.

Yes so if you're right cool but if you're wrong you die :^)

This game is fair right

do we get to BoP you if you're wrong though

Nope!

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Mala
I did much thinking and I'm pretty sure this slot is scum

[Dwlee99]

Actually nvm
VOTE: Guilty lion
Tbh gamestate read is that some of my early reads are good

[Dwlee99]

Or they're REALLY bad

But that fits less well

[Dwlee99]

Catboi scum?

[Dwlee99]

Then stop saying the exact opposite of what I'm thinking

[Dwlee99]

It's possible to be town and have a different opinion, you know.

Yes

Then stop saying the exact opposite of what I'm thinking

I think you're wrong on this one. What specifically are their opposite reads?

Frogster/Andante/CSF/Idk probably more

Then stop saying the exact opposite of what I'm thinking

It's possible to be town and have a different opinion, you know.

Dwlee... you've been calling me scum from the start, I think, if town, maybe your reads are just backwards this game...

Possible but idk

I really just think game state is pointing to town consensus being wrong right now. There are only 4 scum though which I think I should keep in mind when making this judgement but I'm having trouble factoring it in.

[Dwlee99]

I really just think game state is pointing to town consensus being wrong right now

can you explain this statement in FAR greater detail

a) what do you see is the current "game state"

b) what is the "town consensus" opinion that is wrong?

and

how does a) provide evidence for b)?

There is an overwhelming consensus on a large number of slots being town. So either scum is just... letting that happen correctly, or there is a deep wolf.

Two worlds here:

1.) Scum is sitting idly while town just wins
2.) Consensus opinion of many townread slots is wrong

Now 1.) DOES happen, but with this table I think it's very unlikely. I don't think many of these players are ones to just let town win.

only 7 people aren't healing me.... 19 player game... how the heck do I have 12 votes? that's scary to me

also who's good at reading dwlee? I think it'd be fun to put them in a group with people who can read them. Any volunteers?

I'd rather Dwlee not be a bomb expert at all currently

oh and no dwlee in my hood.. please...

If we are both town why would you not want an opportunity to show me you're town? Posts like this are so scummy cause you should actually be willing to engage with me but you just wanna complain that I scumread you. I'm not going to stop because of AtE that I know you fake as scum.

[Dwlee99]

1.) Scum is sitting idly while town just wins

Btw if this is the case the team is like...

Fire (luke slot), Mala (praet slot), Andres, and idk Titus?

So if we flip in there and keep hitting scum then fine by me but I'd like to not just assume that's the case

VOTE: Fire

Maybe strange could be as well cause I think they complained about me voting fire earlier?

[Dwlee99]

It's also possible that things are mostly correct but that the deep wolf is having trouble saving their buddies which we can eventually figure out as well hopefully.

[Dwlee99]

dwlee who are your townreads?

Uhh

HEAL: VP Baltar (okay this one is really hit or miss)
HEAL: Greeting
HEAL: Cephrir
HEAL: Bell
HEAL: Enchant ???

[Dwlee99]

Why are you town reading me?

Holy shit why the fuck did you heal enchant.

Are you not town

Is enchant scum

[Dwlee99]

Am I a shit stirrer

[Dwlee99]

How do you know how much thought I've given to these

[Dwlee99]

That's uncertainty not a lack of thought.

Uncertainty can be overthought

[Dwlee99]

I do give a shit what makes you think I don't

[Dwlee99]

Jeez, how are we this far in

I've had to skim a decent chunk so

[Dwlee99]

How do you know how much thought I've given to these

You haven’t thought about this at all if you’re healing enchant.

I think enchant is town here

Also if he ends up in my hood cool I'll sort him there too

[Dwlee99]

Bullshit.

I've been in a bunch of games with enchant so

[Dwlee99]

I don't think I've misread Enchant in a while

Not counting scum games I mislimmed him

[Dwlee99]

Enchant

[Dwlee99]

Did bulge even post before repping out lol

[Dwlee99]

There is an overwhelming consensus on a large number of slots being town. So either scum is just... letting that happen correctly, or there is a deep wolf.

Two worlds here:

1.) Scum is sitting idly while town just wins
2.) Consensus opinion of many townread slots is wrong

Now 1.) DOES happen, but with this table I think it's very unlikely. I don't think many of these players are ones to just let town win.

I don't think there's anything remotely close to "a large number" of slots bein townread for a 19 player game, and I think due to the number of players having a significant number of townreads is a pretty likely thing to happen. The thing about a 19 player game is that town could theoretically have a game-winning POE on day 1 (which is highly unlikely), and scum would still have significant wiggle room for players to push (in a 19p game you'd need 10 townreads, scum would still have 5 players they could push, I don't think we're anywhere close to 10 universal townreads). The only thing scum

really

care about, in my experience, is trying to get an elimination through on town. They're not going to try to argue down popular townreads because it tends to not produce results and they're probably planning on nightkilling some of those people.

Okay kinda fair

But then scum are doing fuck-all and probably just watching idly as fire dies so apply my other solve

[Dwlee99]

no, it doesn’t make any sense for you to want them in the bomb squad unless you are directly scum. Because if enchant is town they are a hilariously easy miselim because they can fuck up during the bomb disarm phase and the amount of wifom there is unfunny.

Do you think enchant is so brain dead he can't pm the mod to ask what instructions to give? What?

[Dwlee99]

Name last 3-5 games with him where you were town?

Okay mobile thread search let's go
White flag
He repped in, I went "enchant prob town," he got nightkilled
Super fight
I didn't really do much early here and I forget how he died but I don't think I voted him ever

Don't feel like finding more

[Dwlee99]

no, it doesn’t make any sense for you to want them in the bomb squad unless you are directly scum. Because if enchant is town they are a hilariously easy miselim because they can fuck up during the bomb disarm phase and the amount of wifom there is unfunny.

Do you think enchant is so brain dead he can't pm the mod to ask what instructions to give? What?

I’m saying that enchant is a lhf in every game I’ve played with them and if you’ve played with them a lot you’d know that too because their posting style is not sufficient to generate town reads for the majority of players here.

No, you said "because they can fuck up during bomb disarm phase" which implies he's going to give the wrong instructions even if he is town

[Dwlee99]

You literally jumped onto the Lukewarm wagon off of “Lukewarm didn’t explain scumread on me.” Which to me looked like an excuse to jump on a wagon I’d say is never a pure wagon.

Well he didn't so

[Dwlee99]

Subject: Micro 1047: Vengeball! -- Red Mafia PT

You are so scummy rn lol

[Dwlee99]

I'm thinking it's just that one gave bad info. No way it's told which

[Dwlee99]

Okay so you just get to do that but I get interrogated awesome

[Dwlee99]

Oh God are you scum enchant

[Dwlee99]

You literally jumped onto the Lukewarm wagon off of “Lukewarm didn’t explain scumread on me.” Which to me looked like an excuse to jump on a wagon I’d say is never a pure wagon.

Well he didn't so

Read the thread it's all there
My point still stands that it wouldn’t be hard to make that an excuse to just jump onto a wagon like that without taking any scrutiny.

Also, why are we suddenly nominating Enchant?

[Dwlee99]

You literally jumped onto the Lukewarm wagon off of “Lukewarm didn’t explain scumread on me.” Which to me looked like an excuse to jump on a wagon I’d say is never a pure wagon.

Well he didn't so

My point still stands that it wouldn’t be hard to make that an excuse to just jump onto a wagon like that without taking any scrutiny.

Also, why are we suddenly nominating Enchant?

Read the thread it's all there

[Dwlee99]

Strange can replace Titus in my hero solve

[Dwlee99]

1.) Scum is sitting idly while town just wins

Btw if this is the case the team is like...

Fire (luke slot), Mala (praet slot), Andres, and idk Titus?

So if we flip in there and keep hitting scum then fine by me but I'd like to not just assume that's the case

VOTE: Fire

Maybe strange could be as well cause I think they complained about me voting fire earlier?

if 1 is very unlikely then why are you voting assuming it's the case?

you're probably scum in either theory ^-^

[Dwlee99]

Are you trying to shift the blame for your wrong read onto me

[Dwlee99]

That's actually the exact kind of thing I expect scum!bell to say if they want to pivot to mislim me

I mean... really I'm mad at Bell for tanking my read on them if they're town
HURT: Bell

[Dwlee99]

Yes. Don’t nom people that decrease our win con, then when questioned say you’ve correctly read them a bunch, and then refuse to specify what exactly made you town read them this game while simultaneously trolling about whether your votes were serious or not.

It is vibe

That's actually the exact kind of thing I expect scum!bell to say if they want to pivot to mislim me

I mean... really I'm mad at Bell for tanking my read on them if they're town
HURT: Bell

You’re definitely not reading the game closely if you think this isn’t anything but a good thing for me.
Why not just vote me instead?

Cause I'm kinda trolling you

[Dwlee99]

I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY FROGS WAS MAFIA

Make me an expert ffs

[Dwlee99]

Frogs/Mala/CSF/Andres/Maybe Andante is the team btw

[Dwlee99]

Andante why don't you want me to be a bomb expert?

[Dwlee99]

Andante TALK TO ME

[Dwlee99]

I was trying to tell y'all for so long that frogs was scum and that no one should be townreading him, and no one fucking believed me, and now y'all are trying to box me out of the hood when I LIKE hoods.

[Dwlee99]

Also anyone responding to frogs is playing extremely anti-town stop doing that shit

[Dwlee99]

Does Andante have a program to hide my posts or something

[Dwlee99]

And why am I mafia?

[Dwlee99]

I literally attempted to wagon frogs yesterday and no one listened. Your thought process makes no sense

[Dwlee99]

dwlee are you really trying to get townread for a wagon that went nowhere

pedit @Andante: yeah I'm not going to fight his lim because I think people are never going to be able to move on from his play, but I still think he flips town :<

Yes, and you helped frogs push me in a slimy way so you're also scum

[Dwlee99]

Can we get unvotes to allow check-in + heal votes? I don't want to wait another 72 hours doing nothing if I don't get put in a hood just yet.

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE

[Dwlee99]

HEAL: Bell
HEAL: VP Baltar
HEAL: GuiltyLion

I'm kind of sad I didn't get to be in the PT with Catboi he finally trusted me ;_;


VOTE: FrogsterKing

Heal me and I'll heal you. Unvote

[Dwlee99]

And menalque. Also put me in the hood

Pedit: ty pooky

[Dwlee99]

dwlee is maf

Can you stop

[Dwlee99]

And menalque

Mena said in our bomb PT that he wouldn't be around until tomorrow

So we wait

[Dwlee99]

that's what I got in terms of thoughts so far. Dislike Dwlee playing for towncred like "I told you Frog was scum!", as if scum has never shaded/distanced a buddy before. Wasn't frogster a fairly consensus D1 townread, if anything it's slightly scummy to suspect a slot that had hoodwinked most of the rest of the thread, feel like Dwlee should know that

I didn't just suspect them, I cased them and told you all why they were scum while y'all went "nu uh" and plugged your ears

[Dwlee99]

Reread my interaction where then multiple people come out of nowhere to tell me I'm wrong on frogs.

[Dwlee99]

@Guiltylion
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[Dwlee99]

HEAL: VP Baltar

who else is eligible to heal, one sec

Me

[Dwlee99]

I need to work I’ll be back later. I will try and continue to investigate the PT and reveal thinking I believe is Town-positive. Andante I think we should share catboi’s view on Cephrir in more detail, because we disagreed there, and some of the arguments that catboi shared against DW (and how some of their fighting around 530 through 661 read absolutely theatrical). catboi felt really strongly DW should be flipped after Frogsterking, for what it’s worth.

Imagine

[Dwlee99]

It's amazing how I can be right and have no one listen to me so now I'm scum. Because if I was town I should have been wrong? Oh but when I am wrong I'm also scum, I forgot

[Dwlee99]

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

[Dwlee99]

I'm not hammering unless I'm in a hood.

[Dwlee99]

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

We haven't even heard the rationale yet. You're jumping to conclusions

Did you read what Andres posted? It's apparently that my posts with frogs are "theatrical" when it's me burying them and no one listening

[Dwlee99]

Also how tf did enchant go from "dwlee I can't believe you're healing them" to top town without doing anything

[Dwlee99]

There's only four scum in the game but it sure feels like more

[Dwlee99]

Are we good with Bell/VP/GL being the experts? I don't know how VP or GL ended up being widely townread either am I missing something

[Dwlee99]

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

We haven't even heard the rationale yet. You're jumping to conclusions

Did you read what Andres posted? It's apparently that my posts with frogs are "theatrical" when it's me burying them and no one listening

To be fair, catboi argued that. Those are not my own original thoughts.

Yes and I'm still annoyed

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: mala

That was entertaining, let's lim scum now ty

[Dwlee99]

Where's my TMI strange?

[Dwlee99]

Bullshit ^-^

[Dwlee99]

Yep I've been so consensus I pushed deep wolf theory all Day one, BZZZT try again

[Dwlee99]

Scum can NK 3 people and get 3 explodes on town and 3 town mislims and thy would be barely winning. I don't think scum has to be using their night kills at all yet.

[Dwlee99]

About the Dwlee TMI, it was mostly a gut feeling from reading their posts that feels very TMI-like but I can't really point to exactly why knowing the flips. Though I guess its also feeling of something similar to Dwlee!scum just constantly going with the consensus slots (Similar to where he sits there and allows people to just consensus onto wrong slots).

I would like you to cite actual posts please.

Before frogster flipped I would have thought this push on me was very scummy but if frogster can make arguments based on nothing and be town then I guess strange can too

[Dwlee99]

They can only use one night kill a night

[Dwlee99]

@

Datisi

How many nightkills can the mafia perform per night?

They can only use one night kill a night

[Dwlee99]

About the Dwlee TMI, it was mostly a gut feeling from reading their posts that feels very TMI-like but I can't really point to exactly why knowing the flips. Though I guess its also feeling of something similar to Dwlee!scum just constantly going with the consensus slots (Similar to where he sits there and allows people to just consensus onto wrong slots).

I would like you to cite actual posts please.

Not great at citing posts (or in general) but okay.

#1006
#1404
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13316311
#2810

This part pinged my gut as a little TMI-like with the read on someone I don't feel like has been neither scummy nor really townie, even checking the slot before them doesn't really give me a lot to work with.

Where's the TMI unless I'm bussing mala here?

[Dwlee99]

Don't kill him with votes.

Kill him with what then?

If he gets another bomb defusal opportunity

[Dwlee99]

Can I get heal votes btw ty

[Dwlee99]

Don't kill him with votes.

Kill him with what then?

If he gets another bomb defusal opportunity

He doesh't.


And after we will get other defuse, someone will speak "So if VP+Other defuser is both scum, we are at danger!!! Let's kill all defusers from on!"

Then we can revisit it tomorrow. I want to flip Mala

[Dwlee99]

pewpepwepwepwpewpepwepwepwepwpewpewpewwwwwwwwwwwwww

Did y'all know this is Mala's ONLY post on Day 2?

VOTE: mala

That was entertaining, let's lim scum now ty

Lolnope

And this is her only post on Day 3?

[Dwlee99]

i thought you said fire was scum in either solve

also, what is the status of these solves now?

Fire was most likely scum in the scum doing nothing to save scum!fire world, but I also thought maybe there was vocal scum bussing or something. The second world is kinda implausible on rethink but I was giving catboi a benefit of the doubt on the no deepwolf thing there. As for how I feel about a complete solve: there's been at least a week since I thought very critically of the game cause night phases are 3 days and we've had two of them, and for a couple of those days we were all pretty sure Frogs was just flipping scum, but I'm really not sure if we have a deepwolf or not. Throwing four names out: Mala/Titus could be scum cause no activity. Andres/Pooky can be scum because we should keep in mind Pooky has propelled a scum buddy to endgame off of fake doctor protection before. But do I feel great about any of that as a "solve" mehhhhh not really? I am just pretty sure Mala is flipping red here

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

i don't think "sheeping bell" is a good description of the story your posts have told. this feels like shirking responsibility to me[/quote]
Bell repeated "fire is scum" a ton of times. I had my own reasons to a certain extent, sure, but I also was just like "okay bell let's see how this goes" and I didn't even get a chance to reevaluate after Andres and Fire's claims cause of day ending. I didn't even end up reading all the posts that happened because I skipped to the flip

[Dwlee99]

EBWOP

i thought you said fire was scum in either solve

also, what is the status of these solves now?

Fire was most likely scum in the scum doing nothing to save scum!fire world, but I also thought maybe there was vocal scum bussing or something. The second world is kinda implausible on rethink but I was giving catboi a benefit of the doubt on the no deepwolf thing there. As for how I feel about a complete solve: there's been at least a week since I thought very critically of the game cause night phases are 3 days and we've had two of them, and for a couple of those days we were all pretty sure Frogs was just flipping scum, but I'm really not sure if we have a deepwolf or not. Throwing four names out: Mala/Titus could be scum cause no activity. Andres/Pooky can be scum because we should keep in mind Pooky has propelled a scum buddy to endgame off of fake doctor protection before. But do I feel great about any of that as a "solve" mehhhhh not really? I am just pretty sure Mala is flipping red here

Cause being wrong on Fire when sheeping Bell screaming into the void makes me scum

But being right on Frogs on a push

I started and formulated

makes me scum. Fucking hell

i don't think "sheeping bell" is a good description of the story your posts have told. this feels like shirking responsibility to me

Bell repeated "fire is scum" a ton of times. I had my own reasons to a certain extent, sure, but I also was just like "okay bell let's see how this goes" and I didn't even get a chance to reevaluate after Andres and Fire's claims cause of day ending. I didn't even end up reading all the posts that happened because I skipped to the flip

[Dwlee99]

If team is Pooky/VPB/Andante/Fourth I'm gonna be so sad

[Dwlee99]

Idk homie you sus

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: pooky irl

[Dwlee99]

If Pooky is scum his buddies are Andres/Andante/VPB you heard it here first

[Dwlee99]

HEAL: Titus

VOTE: Dwlee

Wtf is this post

[Dwlee99]

Homie got his tags mixed up, unlucky

[Dwlee99]

Too bad that doesn't make me scum

[Dwlee99]

Am I not just a cheeky person hello

[Dwlee99]

Maybe you'd win more if you limmed people that were opposite alignments from you

Sadly that might be what you're going for now

[Dwlee99]

Too bad that doesn't make me scum

Does it make you town?

Being town is an inherent property, nothing can "make me town" in the same way even if I said I'm scum will it change my role pm ^-^

[Dwlee99]

How does town!bell come in here and heal TITUS, ignore any discussions about mala/vpb, and vote me. Real big thinker here. Maybe we aren't dealing with town!bell sad face

[Dwlee99]

It's sad if you're scum ; (

[Dwlee99]

How does town!bell come in here and heal TITUS, ignore any discussions about mala/vpb, and vote me. Real big thinker here. Maybe we aren't dealing with town!bell sad face

How does being condescending help you.
Also, I haven’t ignored either conversation and I’m confused why you think I have given the posts I’ve made this day phase.

If you’re mad because I healed Titus when you’ve inexplicably started pushing for a bomb advisor position, I dunno. You didn’t seem interested in it before.

I've been asking to be an expert since day one grumble grumble

Maybe you haven't ignored stuff this is just the first post I'm seeing from you today that I remember

Also, yea I'm frustrated, cause I got locked out of being an expert for ??? for two days now and you're gonna heal Titus when she has done nothing.

Being condescending doesn't help but I'm annoyed at this game because day one and day two were total shit shows fmpov

[Dwlee99]

Like Bell you got your preferred lim both days and were an expert and now you're trying to lim me because you think it's weird I want to be an expert? I don't get it

And you think Titus is qualified to be an expert because why? What has she done that's townie?

[Dwlee99]

Frogs was not a convenient push at all when I pushed them day one and you continue to ignore this even though I'm pretty sure I already said it

[Dwlee99]

Like Bell you got your preferred lim both days and were an expert and now you're trying to lim me because you think it's weird I want to be an expert? I don't get it

And you think Titus is qualified to be an expert because why? What has she done that's townie?

Relaxed Titus is town Titus to me and I have like 4 options to choose from.
Imo, imo, it’s just better for town to control who dies than scum. Though, I don’t really think frogster was my preferred lim. Also, this game definitely isn’t a my turn now it’s your turn type of game and I don’t know why you’re trying to say otherwise. But please don’t answer that question. It’s not one I wanna know the answer to, rn.

I do not think relaxed Titus should be your metric for her alignment as someone who has played with her a lot.

Yes it's better for town to pick who dies.

The turn thing is dumb I'll take it back it was like 3am

Also Oi, are you really going to make the argument that it’s my fault you didn’t read my posts this day phase. Because that sounds needlessly stubborn and agendaish.

On the other hand, apparently you’ve wanted to be an expert day 1 and day 2 and I didn’t read that. So sorry, though I don’t think me knowing that would have changed who I voted for much.

Not that it's your fault just that that's why I responded how I did cause I thought that was it from you

Wait, why was day 1 a total shitshow from your point of view.

Nothing good was accomplished if Andres is town. We pushed two wagons: Andres and Fire. Both claimed a protective role. We limmed Fire without me even being around to chime in. There's very little to point to and be like "okay here's the next direction we should take based on flips" and even if there were frogster literally blew it up N1 and D2 so gamestate is megafucked

[Dwlee99]

vote count 2.final

• with
  17
  votes in play, it took
  9
  to make a decision.
  
• day 2 ended.
  
• 3
  players who have the most nominations will be bomb experts on n2.

execution:

Frogsterking [9]:

Greeting, VP Baltar, Cephrir, StrangeMatter, Mistyx, Andante, Enchant, PookyTheMagicalBear, Andresvmb

[HAMMER]

Dwlee99 [1]:

Frogsterking

not voting [7]:

GuiltyLion, Dwlee99, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque, Titus, Malakittens, Bell

bomb expert nominations:

Bell [10]:

Andante, VP Baltar, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mistyx, GuiltyLion, Enchant, Menalque, Andresvmb

VP Baltar [9]:

Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, Andante, PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion, Enchant, Greeting, Menalque, Andresvmb

GuiltyLion [7]:

Andante, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, VP Baltar, Enchant, Menalque, Andresvmb

Enchant [6]:

VP Baltar, Andante, Cat Scratch Fever, GuiltyLion, Greeting, Menalque

Dwlee99 [3]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Cephrir, Enchant

Mistyx [1]:

Enchant

Titus [1]:

Enchant

Malakittens [1]:

Enchant

Strangematter [1]:

Enchant

not nominating [6]:

Frogsterking, Dwlee99, Titus, Malakittens, StrangeMatter, Bell

ineligible to be nominated:

Andante, Greeting, Andresvmb, Frogsterking, Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, Cephrir

mod notes:

• Menalque v/la weekends.
  
• the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.

Strange's argument is also funny when I wasn't even on the frog wagon

[Dwlee99]

I was telling everyone to unvote so we had more time and force more reactions out of people but instead day was hammered with Mala just saying "powpowpow" or whatever it was.

[Dwlee99]

dwlee I need to interact more with you tbh, you're pretty easy to read, but like, I don't think we've interacted at all this game

1. Ouch
2. I was trying earlier in the game lol

[Dwlee99]

Strange's argument is also funny when I wasn't even on the frog wagon

Last I checked, you were still a part of the wagon despite not being on the wagon itself, when you yourself did join into the wagon at several points and were part of the group pushing (not necessarily voting) but you were in fact part of the push.

I don't think I voted frogs at all day 2 actually cause I wanted more time

[Dwlee99]

I love that Dlee is simultaneously trying to claim credit for nailing frog-scum on D2 while also protesting that they weren't voting for Frogster on D3

w i l d

This is not simultaneous.

Like no shit I wanted frogs dead but strange saying I'm pushing "convenient" wagons is so bad

[Dwlee99]

Broke: Koba playing a million games with me: Dwlee is impossible to read deep wolf don Corleone

Woke: Andante playing with me a few games and I'm easy to read

[Dwlee99]

I think Koba is full of shit on me don't worry

They nommed me but no one nthed it I meannn

[Dwlee99]

They're also totally reading this right now :3

[Dwlee99]

ngl 35% of why I think vpbaltar is town is because I think if dwlee was scum with vpb they would've tried to bus VPB for the cred so they could get the last 2 defusals needed yes I have cool thoughts because I am a cool bear.

This is funny

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee's scum game is like 3 inches deep

*Insert your mom joke*

[Dwlee99]

i don't think i've ever read a dwlee scum game where they posted a single complicated thought in my life

Well that's kinda rude

[Dwlee99]

How would that prove your point, I'm town

[Dwlee99]

Okay maybe you're just dissing on my town game too which fair enough lmao

[Dwlee99]

Andante TALK TO ME

Does Andante have a program to hide my posts or something

Dwlee, my issue with TRing you here though is just, you have been so focussed on me.. skimming your ISO it's like, "ANDANTE TALK TO MEEEEE" and not a whole lot of solving, and that makes me more inclined to SR you

Pooky is kinda sketchy... idk.. cause I could see him as town, but he could also definitely be maf... I haven't seen any of the fun pagetop counters or whatever yet... hahaha not someone I'm yeeting here though

I don't think you 2 are maf together though, so there's that

Wtf are you talking about

[Dwlee99]

MALA AND DWLEE COULD BE PARTNERS!!! MALA ONLY HAD COMMENTS ON ME TOO

Help me bus then

[Dwlee99]

Yes I'm scum with strange who is calling for my head

[Dwlee99]

I have 175 posts in this game and they are all:
1. Andante talk to me
2. Eat hot chip
3. Be non-binary
4. Twerk
5. Lie

[Dwlee99]

I'm going to experience aneurysm

[Dwlee99]

FUCK outmemed by pooky again

Gg

[Dwlee99]

I'm so scared

I'm quaking, I'm shaking, and my body is aching

[Dwlee99]

Andante seriously what are you even talking about with nothing happening cause I've literally responded to what you've said

[Dwlee99]

Pooky can you give me an example of a complicated thought I've ever made

[Dwlee99]

Read my ISO?

[Dwlee99]

I'm the one who started the mala wagon if you didn't remember

[Dwlee99]

Mala/Titus/maybe Andres/maybe Pooky scum

[Dwlee99]

Actually strange higher scum than pooky and andres

CSF can be scum too maybe

[Dwlee99]

Uhh bell town?

[Dwlee99]

Maybe Enchant town

[Dwlee99]

If Mala and Titus are town then the game is megafucked

[Dwlee99]

Antispew is when you're caught scum so just avoid saying anything that will give your partners away

[Dwlee99]

E-1 btw

[Dwlee99]

Welp

[Dwlee99]

Fake. You'd be claiming results if you were town

[Dwlee99]

1v1 me pooky

[Dwlee99]

Pooky you're probably just scum here so yea sorry

[Dwlee99]

If pooky is defuser I will explode it

[Dwlee99]

Okay Pooky stay scum

[Dwlee99]

Cause enchant is scum prob

[Dwlee99]

Just don't put yourself as defuser and you'll be fine, pooks <3

[Dwlee99]

Why didn't you tell me that earlier.
You were the designated enchant reader.

This is like hiring a meteorologist and when it starts to drizzle they announce that it is going to rain.

I was gathering more data

[Dwlee99]

Do it coward