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Same. I assumed the bombs were mandatory because like...yeah, why would you do them otherwise????In post 30, StrangeMatter wrote:I don't fully understand this setup that's for sure.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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oh like use them as a double elim?In post 33, GuiltyLion wrote:well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by defaultYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Ok got it.In post 36, Titus wrote:
It's a basic game of wifom.In post 34, VP Baltar wrote:
oh like use them as a double elim?In post 33, GuiltyLion wrote:well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default
If scum put themselves up, and we all townread them, then they win.
If scum put themselves up and a lone ranger scumreads them, then scum lose.
If scum put town up and we scumread them, scum win.
If scum put town up and we townread them, we win.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Fair warning, in games like this, I'll probably ask lots of dumb questions about the setup/mechanics.In post 35, catboi wrote:please go read the setup again.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I don't know what this means.In post 99, Frogsterking wrote:VP is way too self conscious compared to their town meta.
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So basically, let's send four strong town reads as experts and they can decide whether to sabotage whoever is nommed as defuser.In post 81, Cephrir wrote:i think for now it might be ok to treat the bomb as an optional town directed kill, we do need to understand that mafia can choose the defuser while knowing the experts though and can potentially send someone they think is being misread by the experts
but how do we get around this?
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Here:In post 135, Morning Tweet wrote:I can't tell what determines how many bomb experts there are,
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I have a packed work week, but yeah!In post 140, Frogsterking wrote:VP are you OK?
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I think the last time I rolled scum wasn't that long ago. Was in a multiball game that Not Mafia hosted.In post 146, Frogsterking wrote:
You're scum by tone. And activity level. It could be NAI if there's something going on, but I think if there were something going on you would have said that at the beginning.In post 142, VP Baltar wrote:In post 140, Frogsterking wrote:VP are you OK?I have a packed work week, but yeah!
You think I shouldn't be able to read you?
You haven't rolled scum in a while, have you VP?
What do you mean said that at the beginning? That I have a lot of work this week?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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FWIW, I don't think my work will like super impact my ability to play the game. I was more just complaining because all my colleagues took off on spring break and I'm picking up the slack.In post 149, Frogsterking wrote:Yes. And I know what game you're referring to.
When was the last time you rolled scum before that?
Um, before that, IDK. I think I rolled scum once or twice during marathon games. I have a bad memory for this kind of stuff. What's the relevance of the last time I rolled scum?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I just told you I rolled scum in this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=88831In post 169, Frogsterking wrote:I think not rolling scum in a legit game in a long time
Don't know what to tell you on that. I don't track or even think about my games after they are over. I think it's weirder when people can be like "oh, I played with so and so in such and such a game four years ago".Also the words I bolded cause me to suspect someone might be lying coming from almost any person in pretty much any situation ever, even if I said them myself.
I probably couldn't even tell you the name of our first game together without having to look it up or think about it very hard, and that was not long ago!YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Have you played with MT a lot?In post 174, Menalque wrote:
as in nullIn post 166, VP Baltar wrote:
what is a very neutral read?In post 164, Menalque wrote:very neutral on morning
interacting with her so far hasn’t left me any closer on her alignmentYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Feel like this is the exact feeling when you know it is Frogster town.In post 213, StrangeMatter wrote:I can’t shake the feeling of “Are these reads actually real? And do they believe that?”YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Hard thing will be finding 8 consensus townies in the early game of a large probably.In post 221, The Bulge wrote:although i guess we don't know the defuser until after twilight. if we're nominating consensus townies as experts, it should be up to them to decide amongst themselves in their hood, assuming open discussion is allowed.
actually, this raises a question for me:mod, does town get to decide which chosen experts go to which bomb?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I agree with this. I'm sort of thinking about if we send 3 hard town reads with 1 null or scummier player as experts. Would that force the hand of the scummier person to solve the bomb properly or risk getting limmed the next day? Might be way too much wifom to actually be an effective strategy at narrowing pools though.In post 223, The Bulge wrote:definitely thinking the experts should take advantage of this and hold open court before getting to any of the minigame stuff. defuser should probably be excluded from discussion for the most part.
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Right but the point is whether they let the bomb blow or defuse it right? Defuser is going to have a biased take on that regardless. Obv, they should still talk, but the decision is completely out of their hands regardless.In post 226, Titus wrote:
I don't like the idea of excluding a diffuser. That's our last chance to read them.In post 223, The Bulge wrote:definitely thinking the experts should take advantage of this and hold open court before getting to any of the minigame stuff. defuser should probably be excluded from discussion for the most part.
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Yeah. You can heal as many people as you want I think
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Have you played with frog before?In post 256, GuiltyLion wrote:the way he's townreading Frog, I could see as an early attempt to buddy/deflect an extremely vocal player who already suspects himYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I just replied as I saw the post. Didn't see datisi had gotten to it already.In post 259, GuiltyLion wrote:VP why are you answering a question directed at the mod that the mod already answered
can you link me to a completed town game or two where you feel you played similarly to how you're playing here? maybe a mechanics heavy game if possible?
Let me go find the Guardians game I recently played. That was very mech heavy and I made a bunch of mech errors early because I didn't understand the game.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Maybe? I don't want to guess though because I don't like to ruin people's alts if I'm right
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Who, you and frogster? Frogster is tone reading me (after reading me wrong more than once before), and you're scumreading me for an offhand remark. I get it, it's RVS and people are poking for early reads. I don't particularly care though, no.In post 286, Andante wrote:
You don't care that multiple people think you're maf? What are your reads looking like?In post 280, VP Baltar wrote:Maybe? I don't want to guess though because I don't like to ruin people's alts if I'm right
As far as my reads, I think frogster is probably lean town and I kind of like the way the Bulge is talking about mech and poking catboi. Catboi seems to be giving +town advice, though I found his crabbiness a bit weird.
Guilty Lion's vote on me is maybe a bit of a scummy stretch. Moreover than Praetorians, though I think I know who Prae is now.
That's about it? I don't really have strong reads yet.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Why did you quote posts that post to ask that question?In post 286, Andante wrote:
You don't care that multiple people think you're maf? What are your reads looking like?In post 280, VP Baltar wrote:Maybe? I don't want to guess though because I don't like to ruin people's alts if I'm right
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Hurt tags, assuming you mean bomb expertIn post 293, Dwlee99 wrote:Btw, we can unvote someone for defuser if we want somehow? I presume?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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As far as not caring I'm getting sussed over some dumb shit, I just think frog is town and I don't have a good read on you yet, but you could be town. Part of me thinks you're coming at me with some tinfoil cause I voted you in RVS and you like to OMGUS. (Which tbf, is maybe me tinfoiling!)In post 300, Andante wrote:And yeah, I find it odd you don't care that like, there's genuine suspicion on you, and you don't care... like, it's not even a RVS "haha gottem!!"
alright, I do have a question on your reads, you're thinking bulge town off mech talk? cause I'm feeling the exact opposite, I've never played with bulge before so like, maybe you have expertise I don't have? but yeah, I do think it's interesting you town lean him, and if you don't mind, I'd LOVE to hear more on that read
On Bulge, it's not just mech. He was kind of pokey with catboi, who has been kind of acting bossman around the mech talk, and I don't think scum would necessarily do that.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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You're just that good.In post 369, Dwlee99 wrote:1. Andante
2. Cephrir
3. Pooky?
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Sorry you got it again then!In post 388, Cephrir wrote:Yeah it's been pretty unreal I havent counted but something like 2 town 8 scum recentlyYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I don't think I've ever played with you, so I'm not sure what to look for. What's your town game like vs your scum game?In post 404, Cephrir wrote:
Zzz just let me do cephrir things for a while you'll end up townreading me eventually I'm just too cuteIn post 398, VP Baltar wrote:
Sorry you got it again then!In post 388, Cephrir wrote:Yeah it's been pretty unreal I havent counted but something like 2 town 8 scum recently
Also, thoughts on Andante's reasoning on me?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Oh shut, here comes the ceph chainsaw.
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Well this doesn't help me.In post 421, Cephrir wrote:Reality- I've gotten really good at imitating my town game so I actually dont know what the difference is anymoreYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Andante's town game is obvious because she gives a bunch of wild changing reads, buddies up to anyone who calls her town, and omgus anyone who calls her scum. (No disrespect, she just plays a very emotionally transparent game)In post 435, Bell wrote:
I don't have enough meta to know if they can fake enthusiastically solve. I don't have a grasp on their scum game.In post 432, catboi wrote:
I think the best thing is to look past stuff like that and look at her analysis. She's enthusiastically solving and trying to analyze with some level of depth, so probably town.In post 425, Bell wrote:Are they using their trauma for good or evilYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Haha, damn that's some yolo life. Well then....In post 440, catboi wrote:
she does the last two as scum lolIn post 437, VP Baltar wrote:
Andante's town game is obvious because she gives a bunch of wild changing reads, buddies up to anyone who calls her town, and omgus anyone who calls her scum. (No disrespect, she just plays a very emotionally transparent game)In post 435, Bell wrote:
I don't have enough meta to know if they can fake enthusiastically solve. I don't have a grasp on their scum game.In post 432, catboi wrote:
I think the best thing is to look past stuff like that and look at her analysis. She's enthusiastically solving and trying to analyze with some level of depth, so probably town.In post 425, Bell wrote:Are they using their trauma for good or evilYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Curious why you decoded to drop this read now when you made it sound like you were gonna hold powder for a min. What changed?In post 449, catboi wrote:VOTE: Lukewarm
debated how long I was going to wait for this. Sorry to say that Lukewarm rolled scum this game.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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What did you see?In post 459, catboi wrote:
I saw enough that I didn't feel like waiting anymore.In post 454, VP Baltar wrote:
Curious why you decoded to drop this read now when you made it sound like you were gonna hold powder for a min. What changed?In post 449, catboi wrote:VOTE: Lukewarm
debated how long I was going to wait for this. Sorry to say that Lukewarm rolled scum this game.
I was also kind of tweaked on Luke a little bit because that frogster case was pretty reachy. But I also wasn't super sure if I'm being over critical of him because frog looks town here.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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What specifically don't you like about Dwlee's push?In post 509, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I strongly dislike dwlee's Andante push.
Andante feels townish here, and I also know she's kind of an easy mislim having fallen into the trap of tunneling her more than once recently. I think dwlee knows this too.
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I meant to ask last night, what game are you referring to? Outside of marathons, I can't remember the last time we played together.In post 518, Andante wrote:the town!VP I rememberYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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This is a weird list. Why are any of these people where they are?In post 535, StrangeMatter wrote:Uhh I have a massively unfinished list so people not mentioned are essentially no clues or I have had the chance to look into.
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Dwlee (Partial paranoia but he just feels like how he played in Mini 2265 and I can never get a read on him.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I'm not saying she has a bad scum game at all. I'm saying I think her emotional intent is readable. However, I'm willing to grant I am not an expert with andante. I probably should refresh on some games with her to get a better read if I plan to rely on meta.In post 530, Dwlee99 wrote:This is also a bad meta analysis of Andante. She has a capable scum game
For now, I'd put her in the lean town category, but that's as much gut as anything. I don't understand how folks are like locktowning her for sure, other than spammy people tend to get passes D1.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Froggy, why are you calling out Ceph for fluff and then encouraging the same fluff? Don't make me question my read on you pls.In post 551, Frogsterking wrote:
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catboiiiii (or anyone), help me understand this?In post 550, Datisi wrote:Greeting [6]: catboi, Cephrir, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm, Cat Scratch Fever
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