KTaNE [game over!]

[Mistyx]

Morning Tweet [4]: Cephrir, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, Titus

ah yes its one of these games

hi friends!! its been like forever since i played here but im back again ig

i havent read the thread and i'm kinda busy today but i'll catch up while i can

[Mistyx]

as long as the theatre involves ignoring frog and not engaging with him anymore bc he is trying to hero solve day 1 and it is clearly warping his perspective and making him useless

this post is bad

VOTE: fire

[Mistyx]

VOTE: Mistyx

hello

[Mistyx]

wrt andres i feel like posts like 1543, 1559, and 1594 come off as more theory than solving in a way i think is scum indicative

his last two posts are pretty towny though

so i'd rather he follow up on his posts and go from there

[Mistyx]

dont hammer i literally just got here

[Mistyx]

bell's posts have good vibes

[Mistyx]

wrt andres i feel like posts like 1543, 1559, and 1594 come off as more theory than solving in a way i think is scum indicative

his last two posts are pretty towny though

so i'd rather he follow up on his posts and go from there

why is it towny when andres shades frog and doesn't want to interact with him but it's scummy when i do it

is it cause im the leading wagon opposite yours

cuz andres was being forward about it instead of indirect

[Mistyx]

i have no read on ceph

a couple things ping town but the fake openwolfing pushes that back to null

[Mistyx]

csf can you expand on your bell townread

[Mistyx]

Ok, I'm caught up!

Basic feelings on that catch up is the fire wagon feels lazy/possibly got some scum pushing it/hopping on.

Bell I kind of think is confbiased town. Don't love that this is kind of just chugging along. I don't think fire's readslist is bad, and the complaint over formatting is :roll: What's the scum motivation for formatting it in a way you don't like?

Other things: I kinda liked a few points from CSF on andres, so maybe I'm wrong on her. I hated pretty much all of andres' catch up. Alot of it was kind of pointless. The heals are weird. And it seems like he is puffing up Frogster tinfoil until frog wraps him in the shiney.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: andres

Don't think strange really looks better, but an andres wagon might actually happen today and I'd prefer that over fire.

what makes you think that? any specific votes?

[Mistyx]

okay i was 100% expecting that so im not sure why i asked

what was bad about it and why is that one vote enough to make you townread fire

[Mistyx]

dwlee’s vote seems fine and i think their reaction to frog pushing them early was towny

[Mistyx]

hi catboi do i know you or am i thinking of someone with a coincidentally similar name

[Mistyx]

okay i was 100% expecting that so im not sure why i asked

what was bad about it and why is that one vote enough to make you townread fire

The votes are not why I townread fire.

The reason fire is getting voted is because of Luke's play, which sure, fine. But also, fire is asking questions and has takes on the game that are

not bad.

Someone, I think maybe CSF?, said he is perhaps being slightly reactive, which is probably the best point against him I've seen made. But also, he's getting bagged for shit he didn't have anything to do with or that aren't even really being explained. I've been town in those situations. It sucks and you end up reacting a lot more because you're trying to be a good townie and not get killed. Also, look at fire's town meta. He is well within that range.

I mean, maybe I'm way off base and I'm going to eat shit if fire gets flipped red here, but I feel like I need to intervene here because this wagon has a lot of smoke and mirrors driving it while there are just way better people to wagon today, imo.

Why is that one post you quoted enough to join a serious wagon over?

am trying to work my way into the game and figured engaging with a major wagon was the way

i had skimmed his iso earlier and hadn’t come away with any strong vibes so

[Mistyx]

hi catboi do i know you or am i thinking of someone with a coincidentally similar name

yeah I'm the same person nya

why didn’t you say hi to me

rude

[Mistyx]

i would say vp/fire probably unaligned

[Mistyx]

VOTE: andres

ok i'll give this a try

[Mistyx]

VOTE: frogsterking

i'm going back to sleep

[Mistyx]

p sure that's E-1

HEAL: Bell

[Mistyx]

cephrir's approach to the claim is correct

if someone claims self resolving that they can't prove that's just a claim you always kill

[Mistyx]

i feel put on the spot

[Mistyx]

actually couldn't you have confirmed this last night

[Mistyx]

VOTE: mala

That was entertaining, let's lim scum now ty

That works too

VOTE: Mala

VOTE: mala

Let's go.

VOTE: mala

I endorse this

VOTE: mala

speed~run~hype

oh man

[Mistyx]

thanks for that fascinating insight i cant wait to see what you come up with next

no problem im here all night

[Mistyx]

if you want my actual insight

bell town
confused about why everyone kept mentioning waiting for titus input earlier then entirely ignored her andres push? probably slightly scum indicative for andres
gth i would say the vote dump on mala includes a bus

[Mistyx]

i think greeting had the worst handling of yesterday that i remember

[Mistyx]

dwlee is town

[Mistyx]

hi im vaguely around whats going on

[Mistyx]

VOTE: CSF

HEAL: VP Baltar
HEAL: Dwlee99

not really a fan of strangematter getting healed what's up with that one

[Mistyx]

my vote yesterday didn't matter so i voted csf to draw attention to the slot

i didn't remember them being particularly towny and theres a rule ive seen a few times about the third vote being most likely to be a bus

[Mistyx]

Okay on topic of the greeting kill: I just remembered that I think a hood greeting was in everyone claimed?

this was frog/catboi/andante/andres/greeting yes?

[Mistyx]

dwlee probably most likely town in last night's group

[Mistyx]

i was feeling good about being engaged enough to remember that entire hood but apparently i forgot andres died so my game sense is not that on point

[Mistyx]

I have nothing to say

[Mistyx]

I have nothing to say

LOL this is Mala all over again...

Mistyx, if you're town, who do you think is maf?

strange csf one more

not bell enchant dwlee cephrir

rest are varying degrees of whatever

[Mistyx]

hi its like 1:30 in the morning and my brain is pressuring me to post here

whats up

[Mistyx]

VOTE: vp baltar

gonna think on this one for a bit

think scum would probably be jumping on this slot if it were town and that hasnt really happened so i wanna push it

[Mistyx]

Did Mistyx attempt to persuade to kill VP in the hood? (Note: Check context.)

She made a bit of a show about needing to sort him, asked him to link a past scumgame, asked him questions about his D2 vote and his scumreads (this is all heavily paraphrased), then gave her solve and went silent. Barely talked to Bell or I at all except in response to some questions Bell asked her early in the hood. No real attempt to convince us to blow him up when we both said we'd give correct info

you two were both way more engaged than i've been so i trusted you more than myself

[Mistyx]

i mean titus is right though dwlee lead the push on mala when there were multiple other options available

the only world i see where that's a likely bus is if it's dwlee/vp and in that scenario then one of them would have just told the truth about blowing up the last bomb probably

[Mistyx]

Not going to vote because I need to do more research but I feel

Strange and Mistyx should be the next two flips.

If both scum Adante.

what if 1 town?

what if both town?

[Mistyx]

didnt andante literally claim mech info in favor of strange anyway

thats one of the reasons i'm not voting there

[Mistyx]

i think the entire hood as is wants to kill me so uh

i'm probably getting nominated as the defuser so please don't?

[Mistyx]

if you want my actual insight

bell town
confused about why everyone kept mentioning waiting for titus input earlier then entirely ignored her andres push? probably slightly scum indicative for andres
gth i would say the vote dump on mala includes a bus

Hmm I still don't know Mistyx position on VP or the meta result

it was like

towny enough to not blow up

i had a few issues with his reads progression but nothing on a macro level

[Mistyx]

if you have a partner who has done NOTHING. why wouldn't you push there? you want to be ahead of the inevitable wagon to get town cred. have you seen dwlee put that much pressure on anyone else? like, I don't even recall Dwlee being a part of the mala stuff, yet many of yall are like "yeah dwlee did so much!!!" like, no... they really aren't doing much... pushing someone who's doing nothing doesn't even count...

maybe its a theory difference but i personally would be pushing like "yeah mala can die but [townie] should be today's lim"

i think especially with multiple townie options who that could be the case for like me/vp (who i've already established isn't partnered with dwlee) they'd have no reason to bus mala there

[Mistyx]

hi i'm busy today but will be popping in and out

i dont really understand anything thats going on but i'm fine killing vp

[Mistyx]

Errr what are you confused about?

people keep saying there’s a plan but not saying what it is

[Mistyx]

ceph if you thought vp scum over dwlee why would you allow the defusal to go through?

same question to pooky/titus if you agree with scum vp

[Mistyx]

hi im awake good morning to you too

[Mistyx]

you guys keep quickhammering while im catching up or getting into thread and then blaming me for doing nothing

like wow i only posted three times yesterday on easter!! oh no!!

[Mistyx]

vp loltunneling me just makes me think he realized if he kills dwlee then he just goes down next so he's trying to push me in the way first to buy time

[Mistyx]

wanna see more from andante titus gl

also want pooky and titus to answer my question

[Mistyx]

pooky can you answer my question

[Mistyx]

whats your question

if you think vp is scum why would you risk scum getting to 3/4 defuses by letting another bomb go through

[Mistyx]

whats your question

if you think vp is scum why would you risk scum getting to 3/4 defuses by letting another bomb go through

cause scum kills aren't going through so they have to try and win the bomb way

are you implying you think it’s pooky/gl?

[Mistyx]

Mena here has gotten highly suspicious to me, but yes!! GL was the VP partner I was thinking about. Team might just be VP/GL/Mena

in that case then it was three town as the experts for last round though

so that line of argument wrt pooky doesn’t make sense

[Mistyx]

Mena here has gotten highly suspicious to me, but yes!! GL was the VP partner I was thinking about. Team might just be VP/GL/Mena

in that case then it was three town as the experts for last round though

so that line of argument wrt pooky doesn’t make sense

ok and? town can defuse a mafia... in our bomb chat I was like "only way VP lives is if they buy the "why would I send myself to the top person SRing me" argument...

I’m not saying it’s impossible I’m just saying it doesn’t make sense for scum to nominate GL there without influence unless they were really desperate

[Mistyx]

like misty what r u even accusing me of rn

do you really think the scum team is pooky/gl/vpb

like um

if it is

how the fuck do you think either pooky or GL get another defusal done?

it’s moreso that i don’t think one of you can be scum without the other

[Mistyx]

can we not mindlessly throw around the word gaslight please

[Mistyx]

my understanding was she implied an inno?

[Mistyx]

killing titus was correct there

0-2 in [GL/Pooky/Ceph]

which leaves bell dwlee andante enchant csf mena

VOTE: GuiltyLion

if we flip this then pooky/ceph are town and we sort in the rest

i'd rank dwlee > bell > enchant/andante > csf > mena in that group probably

[Mistyx]

killing titus was correct there

0-2 in [GL/Pooky/Ceph]

which leaves bell dwlee andante enchant csf mena

VOTE: GuiltyLion

if we flip this then pooky/ceph are town and we sort in the rest

i'd rank dwlee > bell > enchant/andante > csf > mena in that group probably

Why GL/Pooky/Ceph over Menalque

moreso risk/reward

when i say 0-2 i mean it's either GL/Pooky, GL/Ceph, or none of them

if gl is town we know scum are only at 2 and can make decisions on the bombs

if gl is scum we know scum are at 3 and can react accordingly

plus we get info on pooky/ceph

[Mistyx]

Why are Ceph and or Pooky only scum with GL?

scum wouldn't send scum!gl to a group of three town bombers

and scum!pooky/ceph would take the chance to justify an explosion on town!gl

[Mistyx]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

if we flip this then pooky/ceph are town

and we sort in the rest

when i say 0-2 i mean

it's either GL/Pooky, GL/Ceph, or none of them

What? This isn't even internally consistent?

meant to say if this flips scum

[Mistyx]

Why are Ceph and or Pooky only scum with GL?

scum wouldn't send scum!gl to a group of three town bombers

and scum!pooky/ceph would take the chance to justify an explosion on town!gl

What makes you so confident that pooky/ceph would explode gl if given the chance? Especially because they could set him up to be mislimmed later with this line of thought.

cuz then unless it's exactly pooky/ceph then they just send their other partner in and try to get to 3

it's not a lock but it feels more likely that way

[Mistyx]

if gl flips town

not scum

im dumb

[Mistyx]

ok if GL/Pooky/Ceph are all town who are your scumreads then

csf/mena like i just said

[Mistyx]

I'd agree with the "not having time" excuse seeming odd.. I saw no situation in which we should've kept Titus alive.. like what, keep her here just to yeet her today?? it's very odd for scum to just give us Titus like that, means the poe that's mostly agreed upon is likely wrong.. but I'm down with yeeting Mistyx today, also,

Titus was very confident on Mistyx maf

VOTE: Mistyx

this is so incredibly far from true

titus wanted me dead for VCA that was all

[Mistyx]

I'd agree with the "not having time" excuse seeming odd.. I saw no situation in which we should've kept Titus alive.. like what, keep her here just to yeet her today?? it's very odd for scum to just give us Titus like that, means the poe that's mostly agreed upon is likely wrong.. but I'm down with yeeting Mistyx today, also,

Titus was very confident on Mistyx maf

VOTE: Mistyx

this is so incredibly far from true

titus wanted me dead for VCA that was all

Hey... welcome to the pt last night... I am only maf if you are, and titus is 99% sure you are maf!!!

But I also just SR you in general so like it works,

like, town should think about this. maf threw titus in bomb pt cause scum know titus would go boom. why not giive us mistyx? scum was just going for a boom, and we all KNOW mist would go boom, but instead mist has been SRed all game and hasn't been defuser once, I do think this is scum indicative. it would be one think if scum was throwing TRs in to defuse the bomb, but they're not, I think scum is literally confirming Mistyx to be maf based on their defuser choices

yeah bc titus is hard to kill at day and i am incredibly easy to kill during the day

like read vp's iso he kept trying to deflect attention at me because i'm easy to kill

[Mistyx]

VOTE: CSF

comparing role power think this is more likely a hit

[Mistyx]

can we just lim misty and let the prot claims sort themselves out tonight? like, we all agree Misty is maf, so we just lim misty. that easy

this is generally a sign that this is what scum want

[Mistyx]

it's actually 0/1

[Mistyx]

-snip-

THIS IS GENIUS

Everyone read this WHOLE post please. It fits exactly with what has already been pointed out about Menalque/Mistyx 1.) Just seeming like scum and 2.) Having terrible associatives with the flipped scum.

interesting given that it does neither of these things

[Mistyx]

Misty, what do you think of the whole CSF thing? Definite scum CC or am I discounting the possibility of a fucky NA situation due to scum being low on kills

It just seems very unlikely to me that scum wouldn’t have been saving kills for post Baltar flip

i think the analysis of "4 protectives would not exist in a setup with limited scum kills" is accurate

and i think jailkeeper doesn't match the power level as well

[Mistyx]

Misty, what do you think of the whole CSF thing? Definite scum CC or am I discounting the possibility of a fucky NA situation due to scum being low on kills

It just seems very unlikely to me that scum wouldn’t have been saving kills for post Baltar flip

i think the analysis of "4 protectives would not exist in a setup with limited scum kills" is accurate

and i think jailkeeper doesn't match the power level as well

Why? That seems like exactly the trolly shit I can see dats enjoying, and as I mentioned I actually played a game with him that leant in that direction and could have served as inspiration for the setup power

Also why on jk? If she’s lazy then she’s essentially named townie by the lategame, and I don’t think JK is that much stronger than doc/babysitter (probably more than bodyguard)

doctor had a conditional that ~halved its power level and your role has the same thing

same thing doesn't exist for the jk claim

[Mistyx]

Before killing Misty I want a claim out of them.
I get real upset when people get blind eliminated.

vanilla

busy today

could be around later but don’t really see a point in it anymore

[Mistyx]

it’s prob CSF/andante

i think andante getting upset over the strange elim then walking their claim back doesn’t really line up at all

[Mistyx]

Congratulations, Town!
And @Datisi, you put Mistyx as both Town and Mafia.

let’s go i win