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The votes are not why I townread fire.In post 1850, Mistyx wrote:okay i was 100% expecting that so im not sure why i asked
what was bad about it and why is that one vote enough to make you townread fire
The reason fire is getting voted is because of Luke's play, which sure, fine. But also, fire is asking questions and has takes on the game that arenot bad.
Someone, I think maybe CSF?, said he is perhaps being slightly reactive, which is probably the best point against him I've seen made. But also, he's getting bagged for shit he didn't have anything to do with or that aren't even really being explained. I've been town in those situations. It sucks and you end up reacting a lot more because you're trying to be a good townie and not get killed. Also, look at fire's town meta. He is well within that range.
I mean, maybe I'm way off base and I'm going to eat shit if fire gets flipped red here, but I feel like I need to intervene here because this wagon has a lot of smoke and mirrors driving it while there are just way better people to wagon today, imo.
Why is that one post you quoted enough to join a serious wagon over?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I do want to reread MT still. I just didn't have time today because I had so many pages to catch up on. I might go there later, probably will have time to ISO MT tomorrow. For now though, I think andres looks p scummy.In post 1860, fireisredsir wrote:@vp if you thought Misty's vote was bad/scummy, why vote andres instead of there? misty/MT slot is the 2nd wagon rn. i see you said you wanted to reread MT in 1139 but don't see any further attempts to sort there. i guess she disappeared but stillYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I am definitely for dueling wagons D1. I think enough people can see the logic of andres scum to make that a second wagon. I'm not gonna blind vote someone I haven't read the scum case on over someone I think is scummy if we aren't on deadline.In post 1867, fireisredsir wrote:vp part of the reason im confused by it is that you are normally, like, all gung ho about pushing for 2 dueling wagons d1
and me and MT/misty have been the top 2 wagons since 991. misty is at 5 votes and im at 7 rn, i think
so it's kinda weird to me that during that time, you have spent most of it as the only vote on strange, and then now you started a new wagon on andres
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Also, not really commenting on the pages since I went to sleep, but this one did get me.In post 2007, Cephrir wrote:I love that high is an alignment nowYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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This is some bullshit. You think I should attack Frog, who I townread, because he has bad logic rather than answer his question? How is that being productive?In post 1898, Andresvmb wrote:
How do I not walk away from you responding to the attack that relies on a logical fallacy by providing an appeasing response instead of bashing the logic while saying you’re being self-conscious? And I haven’t read whatever else you’re referencing here so yeah, not sure how I’m supposed to factor that in. I also didn’t think the initial reaction was silly. Since, you know, I had the same reaction.In post 1829, VP Baltar wrote:
Are you actually reading the game though? Frog stated I haven't been scum in awhile, and I pointed out that's not accurate. How the fuck do you walk away from that and say I'm being self-conscious?In post 1530, Andresvmb wrote:148 - Interestingly enough, I really don’t like this response from VPB. What does it matter when was the last time you rolled Scum? Like why do you feel self-conscious enough that you decide to actively state when you last rolled Scum? It’s irrelevant to your chances of being Scum in this game. The reflex to answer in this way feels like a bad sign.
Like, yeah Frog says wild things I don't agree with, but if I'm townreading him it ends up being a huge distraction to just argue pedantic points about it rather than answer his question and try to get him to a point where he stops tunneling for bad reasons. I know for a fact there isn't actually anything to see there, so helping him arrive at that conclusion is going to be a way more town-positive outcome than me having a shit throwing fight with him.
Look at the big fight between you two I'm having to read now. I think it's pretty much bullshit that you see this as scum indicative of me. Despite claims to the contrary, I actually think you're the one who entered the game trying to pump up frog on some nonsense about me, and you're kind of bitter it backfired on you.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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oh boy....In post 1910, Andresvmb wrote:
Except a majority ends the voting phase and forces twilight, healing doesn’t. But hey, probably a meaningless distinction to you.In post 1834, VP Baltar wrote:
Good question from Bell, a sad reply from andres.In post 1580, Andresvmb wrote:
You fault me for putting Heal votes down without reading everything (which if I’m being realistic, the odds that I get 8 Town and no Scum even if I read every word D1 are not great), but you want me to place my single elimination vote already? Why?In post 1578, Bell wrote:You didn't plop down a vote. Why didn't you vote someone?
My strongest SR from the early going was VPB. I’m not ready to vote there until I have actually at least read the entirety of what’s been posted so far so I can be surer there aren’t Scummier slots.
The logic of healing becuase you can always change it applies to voting too. Except there is the additional scum cover motivation I noted above, so....YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Why are you being so woe is me? If you state some nonsense about me, I'm going to call it out. I don't see how you're a victim here.In post 2091, Andresvmb wrote:Yeah whatever VPB you’re wrong about my alignment and I perhaps misread the intention behind a post of yours. I’m sorry you think that’s bullshit. I didn’t know I couldn’t be wrong, but Frog can be because they’re more “obviously Town” or something.
As far as frogster, yeah, I expect your level of play and thinking to be more rigorous. Frogster kind of throws spaghetti at the wall and sees what sticks. A lot of his posts I skim at best. On yours I read every word because if you're town, I want to link up with you. This victim game just makes me more annoyed with you.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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@andres. Pooky doesn't play fair. I wouldn't bother expecting that.
Anyhow, I'm going to back off for a bit on you andres because if you're town, I think you're reacting badly under pressure and your posts are weirdly making me mad. I want to hear more of your thoughts on the game.
Did you ever respond to me asking why you didn't mention Praetorian/koba in your catch up? I found that strange.
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HEAL: bell if I didn't do that already.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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This reads very hedgy in every direction. Also, I don't see how you see me as pumping up frog when my issues with andres didn't really have anything to do with whatever nonsense frog was talking. In fact, I was yelling at frog to stop talking nonsense (hero solving etc) at that time.In post 2032, fireisredsir wrote:
yea they are idk manIn post 2022, VP Baltar wrote:Fire your votes and unvotes in the last like 10 hours are weird af. I do not follow your reasoning. You think me and csf are pumping up frogster? Like, what is the logic there?
i saw yours and CSF's case for andres and i thought it looked good, so i joined it, following logic over gut. then andres came back and his posts felt like how i felt with frog, and my gut came back strong and won out over the prior logic and i no longer liked the push on him
and now... i still prefer misty but im not super confident in it. i think that there is clearly something scummy in that situation where the andres push started. i think some people will prob think that it's me. i just hope that if they do flip me and find out that it wasn't me, they will look very closely at that. so i amend my earlier statement, there is something worth reading in that section
as for you and csf, yes i think one of you probably is pumping up frog. csf moreso but i was concerned about your lack of consideration for misty
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who are those people, out of curiosity?In post 2056, Andante wrote:I think that's been pretty obvious by my drop in activity... idk what the VC is, idk the deadline,I have a few people I'm looking at,
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Yeah, I would love just a general summary.In post 2196, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Summarize everything in that hood? What each of you saidYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Oh right.In post 2204, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
No his switcheroo only works if he wasn't voted as expertIn post 2200, VP Baltar wrote:So catboi made himself defuser?
But he was
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Because I'm town. I'm very confused why you are calling andres town btw.In post 2205, Andante wrote:I wanna know why VP lived in hood 2... that's what I'm curious about...YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Yeah, I don't love that.In post 2208, Greeting wrote:catboiouted his role in our PT andFrogsterkingoutright refused to solve and did everything in his power to sabotage the process, disregarding any relevant points raised and attempting to derail the PT in any possible way he could.
catboi's role claim was anextremelyimprobable one to make for scum, because it can be verified almost immediately. If we bomb solved, he would have been confirmed. If the bomb exploded, his role would be revealed in the flip. It makes zero sense as town to not believe it.
Frogsterkingrefused to even provide any answer to the puzzle.
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Can we get a sense who your scum reads are?In post 2216, StrangeMatter wrote:And once again my gut instinct (mostly not feeling them being scum) was right that fire wasn't Mafia. Seriously, I might just start actually using that with how often I am right about it. Still I don't think a wagon like fire would just go unnoticed by Mafia and be used in some way that I'm not sure of.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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cool.In post 2231, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
game's confirmed to be 15:4In post 2226, VP Baltar wrote:This is a non-bastard game, right? Jester is the only thing I can think of.
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dude, if they were IC, the mod confirms that in thread. You would instantly know the next day if catboi was lying.In post 2249, Frogsterking wrote:
What the fuck would you do if players that almost got voted out showed up, defused the guy in like 10 minutes, and the guy hardclaims "I'm a daredevil innocent child"In post 2245, Cephrir wrote:i feel like frog is going to flip town but it really doesn't matter. this clown needs to get out of our mafia game either wayYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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did catboi call frog scum too?In post 2252, Greeting wrote:I strongly encourage you to ignore whateverFrogis saying and follow me,Andante,Andresvmbandcatboionto this.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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thx. Why was he townreading andres?In post 2267, Greeting wrote:
Yes, he was literally grilling me for disbelieving at first.In post 2260, VP Baltar wrote:
did catboi call frog scum too?In post 2252, Greeting wrote:I strongly encourage you to ignore whateverFrogis saying and follow me,Andante,Andresvmbandcatboionto this.
Andantecan confirm this.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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yes, thank you!In post 2273, Andante wrote:
@VP here was catboi's readsIn post 2257, Andante wrote:Ok, Summarizing catboi's for yall here
Townreads, strongest to weakest: Andante, Andres, Greeting, Bell, VP Baltar, Menalque, GuiltyLion, Pooky, Enchant
Null Reads: Titus, Cephrir, CSF, Mistyx
Scum Reads: Frogsterking, dwlee, StrangeMatter, Malakittens
so with that, I'll
HEAL: Enchant
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Whatever your flip, I don't see how andres wasn't scum saved by that fire wagon yesterday.
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In post 2390, GuiltyLion wrote:hey guys, what's going on in this threadIn post 2371, Cephrir wrote:YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Mena said in our bomb PT that he wouldn't be around until tomorrowIn post 2383, Dwlee99 wrote:And menalqueYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Unless there were role reasons perhaps. What you're saying maybe makes some sense though. (I'm thinking about andres here)In post 2431, GuiltyLion wrote:actually Frog scum almost certainly hard confirms everyone else in that hood as town right? Assuming he sacrificed himself to take out IC catboi, means there wasn't a better buddy who was worse positioned than he was to take the fallYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I guess the frog scum play here was to get catboi, a good player, into a vulnerable position and just kamikaze him? It's kind of silly, especially since frog was pretty widely town read yesterday. So, GL is probably right. maybe they thought andres wasn't going to cooperate with bomb solving or something, and then when everyone started to solve right away, frog just tried to do the dirty work. Doesn't explain why he wouldn't just give wrong directions though and not draw so much heat immediately.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Wait, frogster tried to get everyone in the PT to claim?In post 2452, Andresvmb wrote:They proposed that players claim as well earlier in the processYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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check the vote count there, bud.In post 2458, Andresvmb wrote:You have three players telling you Frog is outted Scum and you put this out?
You think I'm giving you a free pass? Explain your vote on fire yesterday.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I think it's more absurd that you think you should be town read when the end of the fire wagon looked entirely meant to save you. I don't think town you would just brush that off as not looking scummy at all.In post 2460, Andresvmb wrote:Like do you really think if Frog flips Scum, 1772 (or most of the other posts attacking me) is a distancing post? And if I wanted to create theater, do you really think I openly say I would limit my interactions with Frogsterking? I mean that’s a bit absurd.
If frog flip scum, that helps a town!andres case, but no I don't think it's beyond reason frog could be saving you if you have a better role or something. I have no idea how to explain frog's play!YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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lol okIn post 2461, Andresvmb wrote:I mean your skepticism of my slot is completely ridiculous.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Frog probably spent way more time calling me scum yesterday than you, fyi.In post 2461, Andresvmb wrote:Frog was trying their very best to absolutely bury me.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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sounds TMI to me. But we can kill froggy, no prob.In post 2467, Andresvmb wrote:If Frog flips Scum, I’m never Scum. Just never the case. It would be sad if you thought that’s a sensible next step.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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This is some scummy shit too. At least admit you voted to save your neck. Don't blame catboi. Take some responsibility for your vote.In post 2461, Andresvmb wrote:I was sheeping catboi.
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Yeah, long before that and for most of the game, he was arguing I was scum. I could rightly see arguing with frog would be a shitfest that was pointless. You however engage in some endlessly useless arguing...so yeah, not out of the realm of theater at all. I don't think anything about your fighting was unfakeableIn post 2469, Andresvmb wrote:Did you even look at the votes Frog put down yesterday? And the arguments? They were LOUDLY arguing for fire + Me as the Scum Team. Like what?!YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Catboi claimed his role last night in the thread (if he defused the bomb, he'd be made IC), and then frogster killed him anywayIn post 2475, Bell wrote:Also can someone give me a summary. There are a lot of walls.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Frog is probably scum here.In post 2478, Bell wrote:Why did they kill him when catboi was obvious town though.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I don't know on why frog took that approach. It's befuddling for sure.In post 2480, Bell wrote:They weren’t even in the murder pile. Also, why did frog admit to blowing them
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I don't get why no one would find those things suspicious. But still doesn't mean you kill obvtown catboi over it!In post 2488, Frogsterking wrote:VP, everyone in that hood was completely certain that andres was town and didn't find it suspicious or scum motivated andres was there at all or catboi was the diffuser.
It's a bit too much tinfoil for me to believe you just went off the deep end there though and didn't realize what you were doing.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Glad I made it back on the list w/ my boy andres
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Ok, thank you for explaining how it happened at least.In post 2593, Andresvmb wrote:In conclusion, it happened organically, but Frog argued for it, and I countered that it was way too early in the game for that, and that it just wasn’t sensible or needed.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Let's assume you are town, why do you think there was such a frenzy for the fire wagon yesterday as soon as your wagon took off a little bit?In post 2596, Andresvmb wrote:I also noted that I wouldn’t have needed to claim to get me through yesterday, and then make myself a target by swapping myself into the PT. As a strategic decision, attracting heat when I had weathered the storm yesterday and gotten a claim out (if I were Scum) didn’t seem sensible, but you all have to judge that.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Eh, not really what I asked you. I asked you to explain your vote on fire, as in what did you find scummy? And you basically said "well catboi wanted it and I trusted him," which of course looks to me like you're putting it on a dead player.In post 2599, Andresvmb wrote:Like you can’t fault me for thinking the arguments against fire were reasonable and not argue against all of the other players that also landed there. I’m not hiding and saying I don’t own my vote I do. But you asked me what I relied on for it and when I tell you you say it’s bullshit. Well, it is what it is.
It definitely is what it is. What I am trying to assess is whether you found fire scummy or just wanted to save yourself, which doesn't even necessarily make you scum.
The biggest thing that points to you being scum is the sheer speed that people powered that wagon through based on catbois case. I was there and didn't even have time to fully read his case before people ended it!
As far as the lack of NK, I have no idea, but in your world pooky should be lock town, yeah?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Ignore that part. It is pretty coffee times here and I saw "and***" In the pedit going after pooky right after andres was taking town cred for stopping a NK on pooky so I was like "OH NO HE DIDNT"....but it was I who cannot read!In post 2606, Andante wrote:why should pooky be lock town to me?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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This was not what I said at all.In post 2613, Andresvmb wrote:You’re blaming me for all of the votes that followed catboi’s case, and that’s just unfair.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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*gestures broadly at Frogster's isoIn post 2613, Andresvmb wrote:And you’re continuing to argue that I’m aligned with Frog. And I have to tell you - it is the worst conclusion I have ever seen.
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