KTaNE [game over!]

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i have a plan where we dont let any1 defuse any bombs because defusing bombs is boring

pooky obviously scum

also I wanna be bomb defuser

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Hey tweet, u town?

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Hey titus, how you been?

[Menalque]

VOTE: frogster

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I’m sad u wouldn’t answer me, morning

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Hey titus, how you been?

Sick but improving

Glad to hear it!

Why didn’t you like the frog vote?

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I’m sad u wouldn’t answer me, morning

Why do you ask every game? i'm soury though i guess im not in the mood

i have my reasons, but i’m sorry if it was annoying today! It’s very nice to see you anyways

hey Menalque!! it's good to see you again

how you feeling about this game? seemed like you were burned out on rolling/playing scum last time I saw ya

Likewise!

Yeah man, I’m feeling p good, this is the first town roll I’ve had in like over 6 months (admittedly several of those were hiatus but every alt game I’ve done since coming back has been scum lmao)

[Menalque]

Hey titus, how you been?

Sick but improving

Glad to hear it!

Why didn’t you like the frog vote?

I strongly feel Frogsterking is town.

Okay, I won’t push you for reasons rn but I’ll keep that in mind

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u weren't annoying Mena i just meant I'm on extra guard it feels like. Ur good

Okay, that’s good to hear!

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Also as a general FYI I won’t be paying any attention to mechanics for the first couple of days so imma just roll with the majority on that

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feel like I’m going to be able to read catboi this game

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very neutral on morning
kinda town leaning titus
kinda town on andante

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very neutral on morning

what is a very neutral read?

as in null

interacting with her so far hasn’t left me any closer on her alignment

[Menalque]

very neutral on morning

what is a very neutral read?

as in null

interacting with her so far hasn’t left me any closer on her alignment

Have you played with MT a lot?

we’ve got a few games under our collective belt

Also
HEAL: Praetorian
HEAL: Andante

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No points for making the easiest read in the world there I’m afraid catboi

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I’ll be honest, I’m going to be skimming any pages that happen when I’m asleep at best

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Talk to me more about why lukewarm is scum, bell

[Menalque]

It’s pretty much related to how they’re navigating suspicion. What they’re choosing to address, how long they choose to address a topic, etc.

Could you highlight where pls? I’ve looked at the iso and I can maybe get on board but I want a better idea of what you’re seeing first

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It’s pretty much related to how they’re navigating suspicion. What they’re choosing to address, how long they choose to address a topic, etc.

Could you highlight where pls? I’ve looked at the iso and I can maybe get on board but I want a better idea of what you’re seeing first

I have no idea how to highlight vague pattern differentials.
They’ll post more. Maybe those new posts will trip your scumdar.
Maybe skim the scum game they linked that they’re proud of.
And see the differences between town luke and scum luke.

I’m not sure how much you’ve played with them tho, so I’m not sure how familiar you are with town luke.

I’m actually down to vote him as is, I just wanted to get your elaboration on the why first

I’ve played with him before but I’m not really basing it on meta, I’m taking a new approach since being back (or, well, trialling a new approach this game I guess) and besides that I don’t have the time to deep dive it

[Menalque]

Fuck, sorry, I’m also trying to break the multipost habit but it’s tough

VOTE: luke

[Menalque]

Menalque..I wonder what kind of game you're playing at here..

It’s a social deduction game that involves an uninformed majority putting their wits against an informed minority

There are generally two phases, a day phase and a night phase, with a different faction predominating in either

It originally went by the name “werewolf” and originated as a type of party game between university students in Russia

Hope that helps!

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Hey Andres, I feel you bro

@fire, we’ve played before right? Your catch up style is really familiar

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oh, okay, that’s cool, my mistake

nice to meet you in that case!

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Can you please explain why you thought 164 felt like I was obligated to make it?

And at the same time what gave you bad vibes re: 595?

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Sorry dats, got the poke,

could I get a standing weekend VLA pls

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Anything critical that I’ve missed?

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Anything critical that I’ve missed?

I'd appreciate a second opinion on the 40 posts andres just dropped

sure, I can take a look

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Anything critical that I’ve missed?

I'd appreciate a second opinion on the 40 posts andres just dropped

I could vote him but it's not screaming scum at me

the progression on you around VP was unpersuasive to me and seemed too telegraphed as a shift

plus a bunch of the reads in the catchup wall being without commentary initially made it look like a busy-work sort of approach. especially disliked comments such as: "A bit too tryhardy for Scum."; "Pooky feels like they’re full of shit this game and wouldn’t trust them for anything"; "I genuinely dislike this take from Bell."

all of these things could have been v easily expanded on/dug into more in the catchup but instead he needed to be prodded for the extra info

[Menalque]

largely for postgame credit i'm gonna call ~1 scum in {frogster, VP, andante, bell} for this thing

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- 595 hmm bad vibes here from menalque

This is the only other spot where I was like 'huh?' on your analysis.

Why does that post give you bad vibes?

the way that it felt like it was gauging what the read was based on before publicly commenting to whether they would jump in on it or not seemed more scummy than solvy to me

the reason I wanted to hear what bell's "Luke scummy" reasoning involved was to see if it seemed plausible to me or not

I didn't want to pre-emptively give my reasons for being willing to get on board to avoid him having the opportunity to parrot them back to me

does this still seem more scummy than solvy to you and if so why?

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largely for postgame credit i'm gonna call ~1 scum in {frogster, VP, andante, bell} for this thing

Witnessed and logged in the big book of i told you sos.

hey, I didn't say it was *you* for once

[Menalque]

beep

that is disturbing

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okay, I like GL, Titus, frog, CSF, bell for town

I'd vote anywhere in (fire, MT!slot, andres) with a slight preference to the first two

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I would like to reiterate that I would like to be a bomb expert

[Menalque]

also: not sure why Baltar is widely scumread, not sure why greeting is widely townread, and catboi is maybe town too

[Menalque]

hey Andres, real quick q: did you see my post explaining why you're in my pool of people I'd be down to kill and if so did you respond? I skimmed ur iso just now real quick and couldn't find it

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Anything critical that I’ve missed?

I'd appreciate a second opinion on the 40 posts andres just dropped

I could vote him but it's not screaming scum at me

the progression on you around VP was unpersuasive to me and seemed too telegraphed as a shift

plus a bunch of the reads in the catchup wall being without commentary initially made it look like a busy-work sort of approach. especially disliked comments such as: "A bit too tryhardy for Scum."; "Pooky feels like they’re full of shit this game and wouldn’t trust them for anything"; "I genuinely dislike this take from Bell."

all of these things could have been v easily expanded on/dug into more in the catchup but instead he needed to be prodded for the extra info

this was it if you didn't see it

why was your catchup so barebones in details when you went to the effort of making a big catchup post altogether?

[Menalque]

so if there’s something specific you want to ask while I’m here do it.

it's almost as if

why was your catchup so barebones in details when you went to the effort of making a big catchup post altogether?

[Menalque]

also lowkey kind of a weird take when I'm not casing you or particularly pushing for you to die, and am actively inviting you to engage with me on why I'm getting your slot wrong if that's the case

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It's not that I disliked it in and of itself -- it's that it was a very barebones and unconstructed thought which is exactly the sort of shit that I and other scum like to throw out

because it's the illusion of saying something while not actually backing it up with anything that can be (a) checked or (b) argued against really. the more fleshed out version is much more helpful.

my understanding of andante is that she's a tryhard most of the time, so it seemed off that you were suggesting the tryhardy-ness made her town.

also, just ignore frog if he's getting to you

could you try to go into some more depth on your thoughts re: pooky and that post by bell in the same way you just did on andante pls?

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It's not that I disliked it in and of itself -- it's that it was a very barebones and unconstructed thought which is exactly the sort of shit that I and other scum like to throw out

because it's the illusion of saying something while not actually backing it up with anything that can be (a) checked or (b) argued against really. the more fleshed out version is much more helpful.

my understanding of andante is that she's a tryhard most of the time, so it seemed off that you were suggesting the tryhardy-ness made her town.

also, just ignore frog if he's getting to you

could you try to go into some more depth on your thoughts re: pooky and that post by bell in the same way you just did on andante pls?

I’m not you. I don’t care what you do as Scum. Have you seen me play Scum? Do I make unconstructed and partial arguments when I’m trying to avoid suspicion as that alignment? Like that’s relevant.

And you can say that you think it’s throwing random shit to try and appear to be contributing. But is that really what you believe? Have I not followed up on certain comments with specifically what drove my reaction? Is that not helpful?

bro, I'm gonna say this once: I'm not the enemy here (unless ur scum lol)

I know that being pushed can be frustrating. I'm trying to get to a more confident read on you, and part of that is me explaining why I think the things I do and trying to see if I can understand/believe the things you say. me explaining how I view the game and it being related to how I play scum doesn't mean that I expect every player to do the same. it does prime me to notice that behaviour more and to be more inclined to scumread it until I have a good alternative explanation for it. I've also said at least once and I think more than that that I'm not really using meta these days

if you think my direct questions are things that you've already answered, please point me to them if you don't wanna repeat yourself. but I'm also struggling to keep up and so I'm choosing to not put too much stock into reading through stuff if there's not a specific thing I'm looking at, and instead I'm trying to get my reads from when I have the chance to actually engage with people

pedit: "frog isn't getting to me. frog is playing in a way that'll make it harder for town to win" bruh in what sense does that not meet the definition of getting to you unless you're not annoyed that frog is making it harder for town to win

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In the early going, did Pooky did anything that you felt was game advancing? Like seriously. The post I highlighted is Pooky giving a complete bullshit reason to vote someone (they “feel like they picked a red PM”), and then proceeding to throw out a few half-assed accusations at players (like Morning Tweet). Did you find any of that Townie?

I think the number of games where I've found pooky to do anything game advancing that's not just pushing a scumread he's come to as a result of whatever his process is could prob be counted on one hand that's missing all the fingers

I don't find it townie, but I also don't find it scummy. I just find it to be pooky

(yes, I'm aware that meta is influencing this, but I know pooky ~well compared to most of this PL and hey, I'm human)

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Andante, I'm pretty sure you just don't know how to read me which is fair enough honestly, I'm a hard read for those unused to me

and TALKING of that, fire, why did hearing about my backstory/history as a player not affect your read on me after GL + catboi answered?

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1 You’re insinuating Frog is getting under my skin. They aren’t. That’s what I meant. Being annoyed at a player making it harder for Town to win isn’t the same as being annoyed at their silly arguments against me.

And Menalque I don’t know your alignment. You’re in a way feeding the beast by asking questions that you aren’t willing to provide your thinking around, but leaving it open for others to use it to attack me.

For example, 2 by saying that you as Scum might post something unconstructed and not that well thought out, you are saying (without having to say it directly) that I could be doing that as Scum. So instead of actively having to say I think you’re Scum because your post was unconstructed in a way that I think Scum you would do, you open up the possibility that someone could grab your argument and use it as a reason to SR me without taking ownership of what you’re putting forth. But ultimately, the argument you put forth is bogus - 3 it doesn’t matter what you would do as Scum when reading me. It matters whether I would do it as Scum or not. I don’t know whether you are or aren’t the enemy - that’s a bit the point isn’t it?

4 If you’re not reading through most things and just actively choosing to participate in the game whenever you want, I’m not sure I need to be responding by pointing to my previous answers. The onus is on you to get the anew right by actually reading through my posts. I don’t have the time to be spoon feeding you what I’ve said previously, and will not be doing that.

(1) that wasn't what I meant to insinuate by "getting to you" I just meant "getting on your nerves" as in, finding him annoying for whatever reason

(2) okay, but I already said that you were in my pool and the whole purpose of this was to try and sort you better. I think it would be hard for us to have an interaction where I'm not explaining any of how I'm reasoning around your slot or why I've felt the ways I have

(3) you're absolutely right that it matters more what you would do as scum than what I would do, when it comes to reading you! but as always, my jumping off point has to be from myself. trying to understand what you would/wouldn't do requires me talking to you and trying to get a model of how you're thinking about the game. until doing that, I have to assume that scum do have some things in common with how I play scum even if their methods for achieving them are different (e.g. most scum need to try to look like town most of the time (goal A) --> i would only do things as scum (behaviour X) if this is my objective if I think they would benefit goal A --> if I see someone doing behaviour X, I am suspicious until I understand why they are doing it and believe that the reason is not goal A, looking like town

(4) I mean we can talk onus as much as we want but I'm willing to put in effort up to a certain point that's healthy for me as a way of participating. if you're not willing to point to previous answers, that's your right in the same way that capping my effort off is mine. if neither of us care that much, the odds of winning go down, and that may just be a fact of life. but if you care about it more than me (which idk, maybe is, maybe isn't true) then it's in your interest to spoon feed me sometimes

pedit: also I'm absolutely not one of the people pushing you, I'm not really pushing anyone

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But weren’t you just saying that you don’t rely on meta?

pedit: we're getting there

[Menalque]

Have you sorted me better?

to elaborate a bit more in response: I'm conflicted on your slot still. I feel better than I did and think I no longer want you dead today. however there are enough things that I consider iffy that I'm not willing to sort you as town yet. I'm often somewhat cagey about sharing my full logic around people and I'm gonna hold back on what I think are the reasons to be good on your slot to avoid you/others noting them and trying to copy them

the reasons why I still feel bad about your slot are:
- you've seemed quite defensive. I'm open to this being the result of feeling like the push on you is shit/that frog in particular is reading you for bad reasons, but I also think being overly defensive is often a scum trait due to
- being overly sensitive to negative attention -- as scum numbers are much lower, I think scum tend towards overreacting/misperceiving very soft pressure on them as being more serious than it is. I don't really think you've been at much risk of lim/idk why anyone would be particularly worried what frog thinks of them regardless of the fact he's been trying to cast himself in the town leader role and has been the most active player thus far.
- your issues with pooky seem implausible to me as someone who has extensive experience with him, but this could be difference of perception

overall, you're probably back in like null-nullscum now, but when I have other reads I wanna talk to you about I'll come back to see if that gets me clearer on you

and TALKING of that, fire, why did hearing about my backstory/history as a player not affect your read on me after GL + catboi answered?

GL said that you didn't want to try as hard anymore but that he believed that deep in your heart you still would want to tryhard if you rolled maf, and that you were laid-back and not caring.

catboi said that you seemed unbothered and not awkward.

i disagreed bc part of what pinged me was something along the lines of awkwardness, and i definitely didn't feel laid-back vibes. the bit about tryharding, that's fine i guess, but i think i would need to know you personally for me to believe that as a reason to change my read on you. it doesn't really do much for me hearing it second-hand

that's not quite what GL said but close enough

I guess it still seems odd to me to solicit meta-info on me as a player only to immediately dismiss it as it relates to your own read. still making up my mind on that overall -- like why ask for second-hand meta then?

pedit: greeting, I too would like to be a bomb expert

[Menalque]

sometimes i wonder why i even log on to this website

is it to see me?

[Menalque]

sometimes i wonder why i even log on to this website

is it to see me?

lol thanks dude I needed this

[Menalque]

maybe when you sign up for a game you have a commitment to read the entire fucking game

mena:

[Menalque]

ho hum

VOTE: misty hi misty!

also back away from the bear catboi, he's mine >.>

[Menalque]

why do you think fire hasn't pushed me @catboi?

[Menalque]

oh, daddy

also HEAL: catboi if I didn't already

Titus are you already healing me? I would like to be an expert

[Menalque]

please explain that andante

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I'm

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.

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seems like it would be fun

[Menalque]

seems like it would be fun

Why do you want to be bomb expert now and not Day 2 for instance? The top 8 cannot be nominated bomb expert then.

I could die by then, Greeting

[Menalque]

okay are we 100% sure that fire isn't Koba somehow lol

[Menalque]

also, catboi is right about not letting this day drag on

if you're not already voting in fire/misty then start thinking about which one you'd prefer, as those are the likely viable candidates for today unless someone has a *very* strong reason for why we should shift to a third option

[Menalque]

we're not limming andres today, he's not been scummy enough to lim through the claim even if he hasn't been towny either

also ty to those who have voted to heal me

[Menalque]

I'm down to switch back but I'm waiting for the VC

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sorry we're doing fire

we all agreed round the back of the lunch hall while you were away

[Menalque]

he's claimed simple doc

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You need to be VERY gullible to believe andres fake claim, is all I've got to say

*double thumbs up*

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OMG catboi fire is scum, andres is scum, kill andres D1 because he will be more helpful to scum for solving the mechanics of the nightplay.

If you vote andres D1 I will vote fire D2.

ftr if fire slips scum you should be piledriven for this post

let's just ge the flip first

yo fire I'm p sure that andres was hammer, what were you?

[Menalque]

me: id like to be healed for a specific reason
thread: crickets
mena: id like to be healed because lol
thread: showers mena in healing

ok i see how it is. HEAL: mena, whatever.

HEAL: ceph

I hear ya bud, I just didn't see it

[Menalque]

YEET

VOTE: fire

[Menalque]

Was that hammer?

maybe?

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yo what the fuck

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my take on our hood is that CSF and ceph were towny, pooky was scummy, and VP was neutral

also we need to track NKs

no kill last night means scum should have 1 kill. if they have 2, it means that VPB is confscum, or if there's an extra nk after tomo then it means that (VPB, n2 defuser) contains at least 1 scum etc

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I'm inclined to agree with whoever said that frog!scum is

probably

hard clearing for the rest of that hood, at least for a while, and frog!scum seems very likely -- my explanation for why he didn't just give wrong info is refuge in audacity I guess? maybe the original plan was for andres to take the fall for catboi dying, and then we'd flip him today, but andres towning it up in there meant that he had to rethink? idk, what was the timing on frogs behaviour @greeting, andres, andante

***

My current reads:

town: Andante, Greeting, Andres, GL, Bell, CSF, Ceph

null: VP Baltar

null for lack of engagement with them: Strange, Enchant, mala, dwlee

good odds of scum: Titus, pooky

scum: misty, frog

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pedit: I know, Enchant, that was the reason for the what the fuck

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HEAL: bell
HEAL: GL

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Hey titus, how you been?

Sick but improving

Glad to hear it!

Why didn’t you like the frog vote?

I strongly feel Frogsterking is town.

Okay, I won’t push you for reasons rn but I’ll keep that in mind

along with Titus joke claiming masons or whatever it was, I read this as a mason/informed soft that something was going on, and it was why I tried to pivot away from frog yesterday + the reason why Titus was high in my reads. as it seems to now be clear that frog isn't a mason, I'd very much like Titus to elaborate on the strength of her feeling there yesterday considering it helped to diffuse the pressure on frog

[Menalque]

Greeting, why the townread on Enchant and also did catboi leave a full readslist for us?

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7

hmm

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What did you think was town for Bulge?

And okay, I'll check her iso, thanks

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Ok, Summarizing catboi's for yall here

Townreads, strongest to weakest: Andante, Andres, Greeting, Bell, VP Baltar, Menalque, GuiltyLion, Pooky, Enchant

Null Reads: Titus, Cephrir, CSF, Mistyx

Scum Reads: Frogsterking, dwlee, StrangeMatter, Malakittens

so with that, I'll

HEAL: Enchant
HEAL: GuiltyLion

just wanna have this in my iso so it's easier to find lol

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My current reads (update):

town: Andante, Greeting, Andres, GL, Bell, CSF, Ceph, VP Baltar, enchant

null town: pooky
null for lack of engagement with them: Strange, mala, dwlee

good odds of scum: Titus

scum: misty, frog

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pedit: appreciate the thought, Andres, but I was an expert last night and am therefore ineligible

[Menalque]

VOTE: Frogster

E-1

Hammer all yours Andres

Oh lawdie, don’t tempt me

[Menalque]

catboi had mixed feelings about Menalque (thought their interactions with me looked like Town probing, but didn’t like the speed of the hammer). Didn’t see any clearing interactions with Frog. Underscored that they could be looking down on their Scum game a bit after PYP. For the record, I do feel somewhat positive about Menalque overall, but agree with the comment on the hammer not being a great look. Having said that, I don’t think the execution would have landed anywhere else, so I don’t know that I can fault Menalque too much for that.

I’m kidding, but to touch on the hammer — I didn’t believe the claim and wasn’t too fussed on hammering or not. I thought fire had likely seen your claim save you, and was pulling the same thing. Plus, y’know, I like hammering and I’m quite aggro with it

We should try to agree a bit more on experts before ending day i think

[Menalque]

Who is koba!slot again? Mala?

[Menalque]

Assuming frog is scum, we can kill mala or misty tomorrow sure

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Yeah, I’m down to have Andres hammer but I wanna look at the heap potential, gimme a sec

[Menalque]

Oh, yeah, we should stick as is

HEAL: baltar
HEAL: enchant

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Okay Andres, I’m fine with you hammering whenever

[Menalque]

Wait! I take that back, did titus answer me yet

[Menalque]

I'll catch up this evening hopefully.

Would like a counter for VCA.

Okay, I’d like for us to wait for this to happen before the hammer drops acually

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Frog is definitely the lim and there’s no need to drag day out, but there’s also no need to rush

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I’m reasonably confident on GL!town

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Why would rule of 3 catboi, a flipped town?

[Menalque]

hi, this is my busiest day of the week so I will likely not be around

normal service resumes tomorrow

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unless I skip bjj tonight in which case I might post tonight

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my very brief thoughts are that Baltar probably needs to die today, and if scum flip then pooky definitely needs to die

[Menalque]

VOTE: baltar

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oh, and lastly that despite frog's (probable) relative insanity, his flipping town does mean that all of GL/andres/andante should be looked at again, and what frog said about the PT does actually need to be weighed

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today is the last day of term, so I should be around more after I've lesson planned

I haven't read anything since I was last here, but I've reconsidered and I think I'm willing to lim in the pool of "likely scum" one more time

if the PoE of likely suspects doesn't flip scum, then I think it's likely we're in a world where scum lives in the town-ish (or at least, null) players and we're being played into limming slots that just look bad

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Why were dwlee and strange experted?

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Enchant, I have no idea what you’re taking about, but if it’s to do with claiming PRs, stop

[Menalque]

Also we kill in (VPB, dwlee, strange) today, no debate

[Menalque]

Enchant, I have no idea what you’re taking about, but if it’s to do with claiming PRs, stop

Greeting flipped as Recruit, but didn't choose any role, while there's two awesome flipped already.


WASTE.

Oh, right, I skimmed that

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Strange > dwlee > baltar

Could be strange and dwlee I guess, but that’s my preference for limming them

CSF, GL, bell, ceph, VPB all town

Pooky, Andy, enchant prob town?

Misty still scum

Titus can be scum, and is likely to be scum if only 1 in strange and dwlee

VOTE: strange

[Menalque]

If strange flips scum then we go onto misty, and we decide between titus and dwlee later if they both red

If strange greens then we do dwlee tomo

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vote count 3.03

• with
  16
  votes in play, it takes
  9
  to make a decision.
  
• day 3 ends in
  (expired on 2022-04-18 21:00:00)
  .
  
• 3
  players who have the most nominations will be bomb experts on n3.

execution:

Malakittens [6]:

Dwlee99, Cephrir, VP Baltar, Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion

VP Baltar [4]:

Enchant, Menalque, Andante, Greeting

Dwlee99 [1]:

StrangeMatter

not voting [5]:

Mistyx, Andresvmb, Titus, Malakittens, Bell

bomb expert nominations:

VP Baltar [4]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion, Enchant, Cephrir

Dwlee99 [2]:

GuiltyLion, Enchant

Titus [1]:

Enchant

Malakittens [1]:

Enchant

StrangeMatter [1]:

Enchant

not nominating [12]:

Andante, Mistyx, VP Baltar, Dwlee99, Greeting, Andresvmb, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque, Titus, Malakittens, StrangeMatter, Bell

ineligible to be nominated:

Andante, Greeting, Andresvmb, Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, Cephrir, Bell, Mistyx, GuiltyLion

mod notes:

• Menalque v/la weekends.
  
• the vote counter is acting weird and i'm counting votes by hand, let me know if i make any mistakes.

Was thinking this was weird if my reads are accurate but it could just be that scum weren’t around and figured piling onto the Baltar wagon would look really bad if mala went through anyway/went through today

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Your reads are bad this game and you should let people who have caught mafia so far run the show.

For the record this is wrong both theoretically (confirmation bias) and empirically (it’s very rare for anyone to have perfect reads, so what’s more likely to happen is that you end up limming a few scum and then a bunch of town that person with overall good reads thought seemed scummy).

Nobody in this game bar maybe pooky has reads that are accurate enough to let follow-the-leader be maybe game winning.

With that being said, we still resolve in the (strange, dwlee, VPB) pool today.

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We are ignoring andante until maf flip her because they’re worried or we get to a point where we mass claim anyway

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HEAL: enchant
HEAL: pooky
HEAL: bell

I’d like to go tomorrow with CSF and ceph

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I mean I’m not opposed Baltar, I want to lim strange into misty and then probably dwlee but we’ll see where the chips fall

If pooky is town then I’m kinda willing to go with him on titus being town as much as I don’t like her slot this game

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Does anybody feel strongly that strange should not be the lim today?

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Yeah, I saw dwlee, I just don’t really feel like engaging on it atm

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*sigh*

HEAL: ceph I guess

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Yeah, I saw dwlee, I just don’t really feel like engaging on it atm

It would be helpful for me if you answered that

In the barest of bones— it was less related to finding VPB actively scummy and more to do with paranoia around him being defuser twice

But I just think he reads as town, and that goes with how I felt about him in the PT, and I realised it was at least partly ego — I didn’t want to be the one who called VPB town only for him to single handedly win for scum by defusing 4 times

But fuck it, if he’s scum, he’s played really well and he’s fooled me

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Mena, put Titus in. She promised CONTENT if elected.

I’ll say the same thing I do to my students: the chocolates come after the good behaviour is demonstrated, not before

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I’d like to go in with CSF and GL tomorrow

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HEAL: enchant
HEAL: pooky
HEAL: bell

I’d like to go tomorrow with CSF and ceph

?

Why not today

I’m busy having the absolute worst vacation of my life

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To be clear: not even a hint of irony there

It’s been honestly awful, and once I get home I’m going to be wrapping myself in a blanket and trying to forget

Also, I’d really like to go with GL

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Irony, sarcasm, you know what I mean

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Valencia should be burned to the ground

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Can I get heal votes btw ty

HEAL: Dwlee

I also kinda want a full claim from Andante because I want her pinned to something in case she is actually scum here doing literally everything in her power to avoid voting Strange or Mistyx

Wow what an absolutely awful pair of posts

Stop healing in the 1/3 scum pool, especially given that the scum there is v likely 50/50 between strange and dwlee or both of them

Dwlee, stop role fishing andante — there’s 0 reason to get it out before mass claim which we are still days away from, and if we’re wrong on strange AND misty something has gone more deeply wrong here

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Maybe ceph/titus/enchant could work for today

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Who is eligible tomorrow? Will Bell be eligible? Feel better there than Menalque atm

yah Bell is also eligible and yeah I wouldn't argue with him taking a spot whether it's from Menalque or myself

on that note, do we think Andres N2 on Bell was definitely a save? I haven't seen a lot of discussion on it but with Andres flip in hand it feels a lot more likely

I’d really like it to be you/me/CSF, but if I absolutely had to I could live with bell being in instead

I admit that part of my reason for wanting to be in is not game optimal, but just because I like the mechanic and I wanna do it again

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Is anybody townreading dwlee on play btw?

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Is anybody townreading dwlee on play btw?

Goes out to anyone but I’m most interested in CSF/GL/pooky/bell’s takes

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Is anybody townreading dwlee on play btw?

I don't think anyone is townreading me for anything besides play so I don't understand what you're getting at

I think there are probably some people who think there could only be one scum in the group (or that it’s only likely there’s one scum in the group) from last night, and who don’t so much TR you as SR strange more

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Oh, Baltar, you too — dwlee read?

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What do you like?

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I think dwlee's pressure on mala over me would be weird coming from scum

You don’t think they’d bus?

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*in that particular situation, not speaking in general

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Okay, thanks both, I might just be wrong here then

I guess we’ll see if strange towns, but maybe it’s more likely just 1 scum in the last night group

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Dwlee99, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion, Andante, Andresvmb, VP Baltar, Enchant

Who do you think bussed here? This seems p pure to me

If I had to I’d probably say pooky or maybe andante, with dwlee ruled out

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Bum bada dum

I was right all along

VOTE: dwlee

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I think Baltar is scummier than Dwlee

Go on

Also, why do you think that scum picked you to defuse?

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they could have just openly scumread me and blown me up without much consequence

Actually, expand on this too please

I still think anyone unilaterally using the expert role to vig someone who isn’t a p consensus SR is kinda scumclaiming, so this doesn’t figure to me. I think you’re broadly p townread this game, so I’m not seeing how there would have been likely no consequence from them killing you

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Also I’m treating dwlee’s suggestion that I would make sense as scum with titus as a scumclaim unless someone wants to sell me otherwise lol

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Well that seems like something I’m entirely happy to take on trust

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Did you spend the weekend at the bmx park dwlee?

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Did you spend the weekend at the bmx park dwlee?

I have no idea what this means

Because that was some impressive back pedalling in 4340!

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why are you townreading vp in the first place, mena?

I need to run through this again, but I liked his posting in the N1/D2 posting

Pedit: maybe not consensus but has anyone been scumreading him? I think it certainly would have raised several eyebrows if anyone had vigged him

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What was the back pedal?

the “titus is very likely a third to Baltar + mena” to “oh well, yes, I might be wrong about that but mena still scum” -> if they were actually sorting me, then titus being town (if they reconsider that) also means needing to reconsider my posts re:titus

Dwlee isn’t bothering to do that bc they’re not sorting, they’re just trying to sell their narrative

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Also I would like to be healed tonight with CSF and GL

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HEAL: CSF
HEAL: GL

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Bell, what are your reads when they’re at home?

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I mean D2 was a complete shitshow, i don't think his posts stood out there at all

I’ll see if I had anything more concrete down in my notes, but to a significant extent I’m trusting past!mena on this one

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I can have another look through his D2 as well, see if I can find what pinged me as town the first time through

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Menalque's progression on (Strange, Dwlee, VP Baltar) went from D2 -> D3

(Null, Null, Scum) -> (Scum, Scum, Town) over a night phase after ending the day voting VP.

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This is cute tho, feel free to keep trying

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I do appreciate you finally working up the nerve to actually outright come at me though, I wasn’t sure if you were scum previously or genuinely unsure town, but you’ve made it far easier this way

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Like dwlee, we both know that you’re too experienced of a payer to think “bad progression therefore scum” is an actual gotcha moment or argument

And the fact that you’re coming at the whole thing from that pre-decided angle is the giveaway of why you’re not actually sorting me

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I could also make a hella long post, but I think all I really need to say to demonstrate that you need to die is that

Us talking is prob gonna take up a lot of thread tho, so I’d rather catch other peeps when they’re around and I’m not about to sleep

Happy Easter to all who celebrate it!

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This page is special.

VOTE: mistyx

Most dumbest vote in whole game.

Yes

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mena's response of "lol" is still incredibly scummy

How would you expect me to respond differently as town lmao

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Idk maybe. But I just got thinking that we know scum can mess with the defuser. So like, can they mess with the experts too or something? Switch expert info after submission? Idk, something about this just feels too easy and I don't see scum motive in your play.

This is a bizarre approach for VPB to take as scum

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Town is gonna lose this game lol

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Baltar, you should vote for me to be an expert

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How does that make it obvious scum have had defusals? With town defuses scum still have potentially 2, and we have no way of knowing if they’re saving kills or if there was a save atp

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Oi, enchant, you should also vote for me to be an expert

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HEAL: Menalque

Now you achieve your life goal.

so you're saying if you're scum

and you have successful defusals

you would shoot up this town

to make it obvious that scum defused the bomb overnight?

If I'm scum with 2 defusals, I would have already poisoned the entire well for the town, so who cares? In fact, me flipping just makes defusals almost impossible for town to trust in that world. So yeah.

HEAL: mena

<3 u both

Town is gonna lose this game lol

Mena do you know something the rest of us don't? Because if you do, now would be a great time to out it

Nah, but i think that the fact that VPB is looking like the exe for today instead of dwlee means that scum has far more swing over this game than town

If I’m wrong I can eat shit for it tomorrow I guess, but I feel like by far my most reliable reads are on if a push directed at me is legit suspicion or calculated, and I think dwlee’s screams calculated — plus I really do think VPB choosing to like suggest maybe Andres fucked up or push anywhere other than dwlee is relatively suicidal for scum!him and I don’t think that VPB goes that route

I could maybe, maybe see a world where they’re both scum, but if I have to choose 1 I think dwlee is much more in line with what I’d expect from scum here (doubling down on trying to get the 1 on 1 won)

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Town is gonna lose this game lol

Mena do you know something the rest of us don't? Because if you do, now would be a great time to out it

VP BELIEVES DWLEE IS TOWN SOMEHOW BECAUSE "IT'S TOO EASY FOR THEM TO BE MAFIA."

LIKE WHAT

I mean basically this

I don’t think scum more or less ever takes that line in a 1v1

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I'm pretty sure VP townreads me because he is literally factionally informed I'm town but okay

lol

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Dwlee i plan to engage with all of your posts at exactly the level I think they deserve from this point until flips

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Which is to say: lol

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Please refer to 4604

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Please refer to 4604

Please refer to 4605

+5 for format
-10 for originality

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Nah, but i think that the fact that VPB is looking like the exe for today instead of dwlee means that scum has far more swing over this game than town

If I’m wrong I can eat shit for it tomorrow I guess, but I feel like by far my most reliable reads are on if a push directed at me is legit suspicion or calculated, and I think dwlee’s screams calculated — plus I really do think VPB choosing to like suggest maybe Andres fucked up or push anywhere other than dwlee is relatively suicidal for scum!him and I don’t think that VPB goes that route

I could maybe, maybe see a world where they’re both scum, but if I have to choose 1 I think dwlee is much more in line with what I’d expect from scum here (doubling down on trying to get the 1 on 1 won)

tbh I think your read on VP is weirdly strong

I went back to VP's D2 posts and I'm still not sure what there screamed town to you

If day doesn’t end pre-emptively I’ll go back through when I’m not a weeeee bit tipsy, but I feel confident enough in VPB!town from what I’ve seen from the brief login I’ve had tonight to roll with it

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tbh I think your read on VP is weirdly strong

I went back to VP's D2 posts and I'm still not sure what there screamed town to you

He can't explain it cause it's fake lol

I have menalque's last day 2 posts linked in my wall you can go just look at how fast he swaps for no reason

.

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Dwlee trying so hard to paint my jumping around as scum as if that’s not how I’ve played for the last 2 years lmao

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Not getting limmed and not exposing scum as having at least 2 defuses seems like a pretty big win to me?

I already would have had two defusals before there was a risk, yeah? This makes no sense.

SO VOTE THEM

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mena's response of "lol" is still incredibly scummy

How would you expect me to respond differently as town lmao

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What is not town about “lol”

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Can you show me where mena 180’d

dwlee's entire scum case revolves around me switching over the course of one night from (null, null, scum) on (them, strange, Baltar) to (scum, scum, town) the next day

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(dwlee, pooky, misty/ceph/titus)?

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okay misty we need to have a real talk when ur back about if ur scum or limbait this game

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my very brief thoughts are that Baltar probably needs to die today, and if scum flip then pooky definitely needs to die

VOTE: baltar

Why were dwlee and strange experted?

Pretend second two were linked last post

I do stand by pooky definitely needing to die if baltar!scum

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Bell, who are your preferences for experts?

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What do you think of Menalque

surprisingly, dwlee and I are on the same page for once

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Bell, who would you like as experts for today?

you cannot heal yourself

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why do you wanna be in? also why andante?

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okay, I'll step outside my meta-avoidance of solitude for a second -- does anyone know if andante has terrible mechanics or a propensity for lying about mech stuff from her other games?

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daddy

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fuck

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okay, let me rephrase that for a hot second:

can anyone whose name is NOT dwlee ...

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okay, so andante, when we say the words "hard clear" do you mean "the mod has confirmed MECHANICALLY that dwlee is town to me in private" or do you mean "

literally anything other than that

"?

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hush for a second

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if you are town game is maybe surprisingly close to solved

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okay, so andante, when we say the words "hard clear" do you mean "the mod has confirmed MECHANICALLY that dwlee is town to me in private" or do you mean "

literally anything other than that

"?

I mean there is no possible way Dwlee is mafia

okay, I need you to use the word "mechanically" when you say this to me, if there is a mechanical basis behind it

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idk this feels kinda simple?

if Andy has a mech!town on dwlee then we lim baltar into pooky/misty and probably just win?

if Andy claims a mech!town on dwlee and baltar flips town then we lim dwlee -> Andy the next two days and there's 1 scum left

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that... does not fill me with optimism

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excuse me for not quite trusting the person who is claiming a hard clear but who also didn't understand the concept of a miller, with no offence intended, mech isn't my strong suit either

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does Andy!scum fake a mech clear on her scum partner Dwlee when Dwlee is already winning the 1v1

I mean you can't really think this

Exactly Menalque is scumz

*yawn*

although yeah, that is the one bit I'm struggling with

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Titus likes a big brain play as scum

I remember when she was on (and maybe the driving force behind?) a scumteam in nomination mafia that made the first set of nominees the entire scumteam

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sup

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I'm gonna claim now because i want to sign off this website for the night after posting here way too much today, and it seems like I'm the lim anyway.

I'm a compulsive vengeful defuser. Anytime I am nominated as defuser, if I get blown up, the mod will send me a list of names of anyone who gave me incorrect information. I then must choose to kill one of them.

I am pretty sure mistyx is scum who picked up on this, or the main outlines of it, when I threatened her life in the bomb PT if she didn't give me correct information. I also think it is why I have not just been sent back as defuser again. Scum know I have an ability that can take them out.

pedit- everyone in the game completely trolling me is not fun. please stop it.

can we pause for a second while I reread the N1 PT

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oh no

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oh noooooooooooooo

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big oof from me folks

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UNVOTE:

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I frankly cannot believe you would do me like this, Baltar

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I'm rereading our N1 pt

there is approx 0% that you make the posts you made there if you have the role you claimed

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VOTE: VPB

boop

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What’s confusing about it? Look at his posting there — he’s very clearly concerned about not being blown up

If he’d had the role he claimed then he’d have been fine with dying because he could always vig the person who killed him — in fact, I think he would almost have been trying to bait wrong info

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But Titus asked that people suspect Andante for their push against them.

I’m a gated protective, I crumbed it D1 and it’s why I hammered fire so fast (i believed Andres’ claim and didn’t think there’d be a third protective role)

Last night I was on Andy, and I suspect that’s why no night kill outside titus, given that there’s no reason for scum to be saving their NKs with Baltar outed

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I think Pooky is incredibly likely to be scum for having the exact opposite trajectory on Baltar that I did and I think his suspicion of Baltar is exactly reminiscent of how he likes to push on a scumbuddy for anti-associatives — yes, this is meta, bad meta but I can’t avoid it

I’m not gonna fight for his lim over misty today, but if misty flips town then I actually think she’s right and scum is probably (pooky, GL) with an outside chance of ceph

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Non-consecutive night babysitter

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Are you claiming full JK?

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Again, I crumbed it D1, give me a sec and I’ll find the posts

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Again, I crumbed it D1, give me a sec and I’ll find the posts