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1) some people are shitters
2) i dont want shitters in my games, whether as a mod or player
3) ergo we need a way to keep shitters out
if we accept these three points as valid then wotc or a wotc-like system has to happen at some point. Anything else is just wording or fine detailsThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Nobody gets kicked because of one anonymous WOTC. If you anonymously WOTC someone and they get kicked, that means other players dislike them too, which means they probably deserve itThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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That's fine, but it's not an argument against WOTC as a mechanic. You're just saying it needs some tweaksThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Because it gives them something to latch on and argue and drama llama aboutIn post 121, Frozen Angel wrote:This is a form of human societies.
If they know that already, what is the harm in telling them again? beside showing your not extremely rude and coward.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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@FA: Yes, it is rude. Kicking a player out from a game is rude too. Rudeness is a necessary side effect of taking out the trash.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Look - there's a difference between "did not tell you reasons for WOTCing you" rude and "is so toxic they get WOTCed" rude. Especially when the first is justified.
As for the second, I have already explained that the rudeness is necessary to clamp down on unecessary drama and arguments.
PEdit: FA, do you understand that WOTCing someone is a way of telling them they are trash?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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It's not a method for insulting people, it's a method for keeping games clean by removing trash - so, as anatural and unavoidable consequence of WOTC, anyone affected by it would, logically, have to be trash. That's what I meant.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Marquis WAS trash. Someone who lolhammers every game can only be considered a trash mafia player that ruins games for people. Marquis no longer does this, and is thus no longer trash. No idea about Yume, never played with her, but I'm sure plenty of people consider her trash.
You got banned for non-game related reasons, so that doesn't count.
Remember that it is not I who decides. I have never WOTCed a person in my life. But when many people WOTC someone, they are all calling that person trash implicitly. If you oppose this, you oppose WOTC.
You keep using the word "rights", as in "right to be informed". Papa Zito has already said that this is not a court. We are not obligated to provide reasons or rights for anything. As a mod, I could ban you from my game for no reason other than not liking your avatar. That's acceptable.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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who am i? only the moderator of the game, who is indeed judge, and jury and also executionerIn post 135, Frozen Angel wrote:summarizing my last post
"who the fuck are you to judge someone and deciding if someone is trash or not?"
answer this and we shall continue this discusion
Within the scope of the game, the game mod is more or less godThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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FA, WOTC is WOTM.
WOTC can't go through without moderator consent. It's just WOTM, with the mod seeking advice from others. Even putting that aside, there's nothing wrong with players judging and kicking each other out. The "accused" has no right to anything, including knowing the accusations made against them or having their judges not influence each other. If they don't like this, they should try being not toxic.
That's what trash MEANS. This is why people wotc each other.now back to trash, no marquis was not a trash. He had a bad habbit and was repeatedly showing a bad behavior.
I'm sure Yume is a great person! But as a mafia player, plenty of people have come forward to say she is trash. Do not conflate judgement of your skills at mafia and your toxicity in games as a judgement of the person behind the screen.
PEdit: The most common reason for not wanting to play witha person is that they are trashThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Why are you trying to protect toxic players by making the environment softer on them?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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YESIn post 142, Frozen Angel wrote:making accusations public will make the enviroment softer for them?
are you kidding me
they will use it as an opportunity to defend themselves and start arguments
Just eliminate quickly and efficiently without mentioning too many reasons.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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In this context trash isnt being used as a personal attackThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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FA why is it ok for the mod to go "if i hate ur avatar i kick u" but not "if i get pms from people who hate your avatar i kick u"? Mods can have any reason for kicking someone, and a popular one is getting Pms from players who hate that playerThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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NOIn post 145, Frozen Angel wrote:
then let them start arguments. Are you afraid for being wrong?In post 143, Accountant wrote:
YESIn post 142, Frozen Angel wrote:making accusations public will make the enviroment softer for them?
are you kidding me
they will use it as an opportunity to defend themselves and start arguments
Just eliminate quickly and efficiently without mentioning too many reasons.
I am afraid we will have the goddamn community cluttered up with arguments spouted by idiots who can't accept that they are so bad multiple people want to never play with them ever againThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Why are you so fixated on being justified in your actions? Nobody needs to justify anything. That's the beauty of it.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I have never blacklisted anyone and I have played with some seriously toxic players and if I ever do blacklist someone you can be assured I won't have the respect to give them the time of day let alone reasons for kicking them.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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What is wrong with announcing that a player has been WOTCed and asking if anyone else has a problem?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Why?! Why is it so bad to let accusers influence each other? If I want X kicked, I want to convince everyone else to agree to kick him as well. Why am I not allowed to judge other players as a player?
Then do it totally privatly so the accusers don't have any kinds of impact on each other. or publickly inform the involved instead of everyone.
again you called them idiot, who are you to judge someone as idiot. a mod? ok then don't let the so called "idiot" to your game. your a player? shut up!There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Why is that bad? It helps break bystander effect and encourages players to out toxic players.In post 160, Frozen Angel wrote:
That has direct impact of the numbers of people who will try to wotc that people.In post 157, Accountant wrote:What is wrong with announcing that a player has been WOTCed and asking if anyone else has a problem?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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its fine to do that but not to MAKE the mod release the reasons like wtfIn post 159, Ranmaru wrote:
I think it's fine if the reasons are included, and if the offending player can appeal it by sending a PM to the modIn post 157, Accountant wrote:What is wrong with announcing that a player has been WOTCed and asking if anyone else has a problem?
Then if it's appealed the mod should announce why it was appealed so other players knowThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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That's not a principle of humanity. I can do anything and not have to justify shit to anyone! Nobody has the right to demand that I reveal my inner thought processes.In post 158, Frozen Angel wrote:
okIn post 151, Accountant wrote:Why are you so fixated on being justified in your actions? Nobody needs to justify anything. That's the beauty of it.
thats the beauty of what?
thats the basic Principle of humanity that we need to justify our actions to each other. Are you saying we're a bunch of wild animals playing mafia in here?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Dude the whole point is to judge, condemn and destroy the offending player. He's the one in the crosshairs, I don't see a need to give him a reason to defend himself.In post 164, Frozen Angel wrote:
This ^In post 159, Ranmaru wrote:
I think it's fine if the reasons are included, and if the offending player can appeal it by sending a PM to the modIn post 157, Accountant wrote:What is wrong with announcing that a player has been WOTCed and asking if anyone else has a problem?
if the reasons are included then they will judge the reason not the player
and thats not WOTC by its defiition. its a jury-like method for enforcing people - and that must require majority of the remaining players vote at least to be justified
It's not about what is fair or not fair. It is about making players happy, and if 3 players hate 1, as a matter of brute fact that player is very likely shit and will DEFINITELY make the game better for those 3 guys.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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mod: wotc because 5 people want you out and I dont care why, all I know is that if you leave 5 people will be happier with the gameIn post 166, Ranmaru wrote:She means in the case the reasoning was wrong. Which is why I mention the part of appealing it. Why not include the reasons? If the person deserves to be kicked there should be reasoning, just like a case on a player you want lynched.
mod: wotc because YOU LURKED THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME LAST TIME
me: ok woops
There look how easy that was?
mod: wotc, I'm not obliged to tell you anythingThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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See? You keep falling back on the ideas of a court of law, of rights and obligations. I have 0 obligations to anyone as a mod, as a player or as a fellow human being, other than to follow the site rules and be generally civil.In post 168, Frozen Angel wrote:
You can kill me right now and they will hang you tommorow.In post 165, Accountant wrote:That's not a principle of humanity. I can do anything and not have to justify shit to anyone! Nobody has the right to demand that I reveal my inner thought processes.
you don't need to justufy shit to anyone?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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FA, ITS OKAY TO BE UNFAIR
ITS OKAY TO UNFAIRLY EXCLUDE PEOPLE FROM A GAME
THAT IS THE FRIGGING POINTThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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By stripping them of their rights to respond and stir up drama, by stripping them of their rights to play a game of mafia, you are sending them an unambiguous message that they are not welcome until they get their shit together. If you give them a chance to argue back or give them reasons to be fair, then you're missing the point.
WOTC is a *punishment*.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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No it's not! Humans can be as unjustified and unfair as they like. That's the freedom of thought and action, two of the most basic freedoms in the world.In post 175, Frozen Angel wrote:
We are humans and this is a part of a human driven society.In post 172, Accountant wrote:See? You keep falling back on the ideas of a court of law, of rights and obligations. I have 0 obligations to anyone as a mod, as a player or as a fellow human being, other than to follow the site rules and be generally civil.
Justification and fairness are all defined by the definition of humanity.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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You assume they don't have their shit together until proven otherwise.In post 178, Ranmaru wrote:
Do you know if they have their shit together by that time though? I agree with getting their shit together of courseIn post 176, Accountant wrote:By stripping them of their rights to respond and stir up drama, by stripping them of their rights to play a game of mafia, you are sending them an unambiguous message that they are not welcomeuntil they get their shit together. If you give them a chance to argue back or give them reasons to be fair, then you're missing the point.
WOTC is a *punishment*.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Like whatIn post 181, Frozen Angel wrote:
That's not the definition of freedomIn post 179, Accountant wrote:No it's not! Humans can be as unjustified and unfair as they like. That's the freedom of thought and action, two of the most basic freedoms in the world.
and no they can't really.
Are you seriously trying to put forth an argument for policing the private thoughts and reasonings of mafiascum players in order to create a more fair wotx systemThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I'm going to keep repeating this.
No mafia mod is obligated to be fair to players that might shit up their game. No mafia player is obligated to be fair to players who might shit up their game. If YOU get WOTCed, sucks to be you. You don't get the right to demand explanations or an appeal. You leave the game, because YOU have been judged in the eyes of your peers and found UNWORTHY by your other players and mod to play in the game.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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1) make an altIn post 184, Ranmaru wrote:So how would you want them to prove themselves otherwise, is my question? (if they can)
2) find the people who wont wotc you and make a good track record of not being a terrible player in those games
3) verbally convince the wotcers that you've improved and ask them to withdrawThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Yeah, good idea. No hard feelings.In post 185, Frozen Angel wrote:
talking about liberal arts always ends up in fights like this.In post 151, Accountant wrote:Why are you so fixated on being justified in your actions? Nobody needs to justify anything. That's the beauty of it.
there is no way for you to convince me at this point , nor a way for me to convince you.
and we both are right and wrong at the same time. so lets ned this and catch up with our lives!There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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when I said make an alt there was an "after making sure you won't get wotced AGAIN due to shitty behavior on the alt" implied after itThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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that was my point number twoIn post 217, Yume wrote:So again, continue to toot your horn. It won't matter. There will still be games even us outcasts will be able to join freely.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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anyone who trolls and causes game losses on a consistent basis will be WOTCed and join the ranks of the "outcasts". We aren't choosing to "bully" you because we're all self improtant and shit, we're doign it because youIn post 215, Yume wrote:
So the rest of you are allowed to chastise players on bad play, troll and do whatever you want in game, yet the rest of us who point out the fact you're behaving like kings of the world are immediately branded as evil. This is why I called you a hypocrite, Firebringer. Trust me, those who exhibit WOTC-like behaviour are many. So why should we be denied our right to have fun and our right of free speech just so you can toot your horn and be self-important? Especially given that YOU and YOUR decision are what causes the game loss, not us.In post 212, Wisdom wrote:And the fact making an alt didn't work just proves the problem is with you and your behavior, not because people are prejudiced about you like you were claiming before making an alt.consistently piss people off and ruin games for them
and that's something that's objective. I've never played with you, I don't know the complaints against you, but objectively I can see that tons of players have chosen to WOTC you and speak out agaisnt you and that's something that only happens when you're genuinely toxic or unacceptableThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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obviously I was talking about WOTCs where the mod reveals the name of the WOTCers. if 3) doesn't apply, just do 1) or 2).In post 221, Yume wrote:You're still dodging this
Do you want me to put in big, red, bold letters so you'd notice it?!In post 214, Yume wrote:How am I supposed to convince them to withdraw if I don't know who they are? >.>There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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are you serious? are you trying to blame kuroi/wisdom for you being toxic??In post 223, Yume wrote:Meanwhile, myself and the others who attempt to be the voice of reason, are shunned. We start out as nice bunnies who try to chastise them politely. Then they flip on us and we become mad. Then they flip on us further and lead us to become toxic. Then they use the us that they themselves created with their tunneling/stubborness/whatever to paint us as devils.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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clearly they didn't do it, or didn't do it to the point that you did, because I don't see anyone choosign to WOTC them.In post 222, Yume wrote:
Yet, Kuroi and Wisdom, who did it at least once, are saints.In post 220, Accountant wrote:
anyone who trolls and causes game losses on a consistent basis will be WOTCed and join the ranks of the "outcasts". We aren't choosing to "bully" you because we're all self improtant and shit, we're doign it because youIn post 215, Yume wrote:
So the rest of you are allowed to chastise players on bad play, troll and do whatever you want in game, yet the rest of us who point out the fact you're behaving like kings of the world are immediately branded as evil. This is why I called you a hypocrite, Firebringer. Trust me, those who exhibit WOTC-like behaviour are many. So why should we be denied our right to have fun and our right of free speech just so you can toot your horn and be self-important? Especially given that YOU and YOUR decision are what causes the game loss, not us.In post 212, Wisdom wrote:And the fact making an alt didn't work just proves the problem is with you and your behavior, not because people are prejudiced about you like you were claiming before making an alt.consistently piss people off and ruin games for them
and that's something that's objective. I've never played with you, I don't know the complaints against you, but objectively I can see that tons of players have chosen to WOTC you and speak out agaisnt you and that's something that only happens when you're genuinely toxic or unacceptableThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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it's literally just a PM to the mod saying yoru play is unacceptableIn post 225, Yume wrote:We can take criticism. What we cannot take is someone acting like king of the world.
a faaaaarrrr cry from being king of the worldThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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tbqh i dont see how yume would have accumulated this much hate if she was as innocent as she claimsThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Yume DEFINITELY cannot be innocent. I don't need to know any details to know that someone with a dozen WOTCs is not innocent.In post 242, Frozen Angel wrote:
who is innocent and who is guilty?In post 240, Accountant wrote:tbqh i dont see how yume would have accumulated this much hate if she was as innocent as she claims
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Do you think that 20 people spontaneously hallucinated Yume being a bad mafia player and WOTCed her for no reasonIn post 248, Frozen Angel wrote:
Whats your definition of innicent? They called all the prophets liar when they were advising everyone to god. Are they liars?(Not making this religious or anything; just making a point)In post 247, Accountant wrote:
Yume DEFINITELY cannot be innocent. I don't need to know any details to know that someone with a dozen WOTCs is not innocent.In post 242, Frozen Angel wrote:
who is innocent and who is guilty?In post 240, Accountant wrote:tbqh i dont see how yume would have accumulated this much hate if she was as innocent as she claims
If you don't know the details you definitely are not authorized to talk about this topic
Yes everyone your mentioning might be wrong. logically your use for word "definitely" is wrong.
but no one asked you to talk about something you don't know anything about. come back when you read the details.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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If you don't think that happened then it must be the case through logic and common sense that Yume is a bad player.In post 252, Frozen Angel wrote:
I never said thatIn post 251, Accountant wrote:Do you think that 20 people spontaneously hallucinated Yume being a bad mafia player and WOTCed her for no reason
I said you have no right to talk on that specific matter and no one asked you to
Anyone has the right to outline transparently obvious chains of logic.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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then play in newbie queue on your main you can't get WOTCed, remember?In post 285, Yume wrote:Alts aren't allowed to play in newbie queue.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I'll even offer to play with you, if you like. The general newbie-friendly atmosphere of that queue means nobody will yell at you for making a mistake, and it's a great way to relearn the basics of the game for a fresh start.In post 286, Accountant wrote:
then play in newbie queue on your main you can't get WOTCed, remember?In post 285, Yume wrote:Alts aren't allowed to play in newbie queue.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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BANANA SPLITIn post 289, GuyInFreezer wrote:Until every newbies replace out and the game is now filled with grumpy oldiesThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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is this trueIn post 316, House wrote:
^In post 314, Wisdom wrote:
over how much time? Shes had enough time already and her attitude has not changed one bitIn post 301, Frozen Angel wrote:the ruin part and if she doesn't know how to play is fixable over time
Frozen, she sent me a PM threatening to destroy Cowboy bebop if I didn't back off!There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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maybe that's the case, but what you have said shows an attitude that people find objectionable, because you are willing to ruin games if you are unhappy with someone. when someone detects this mindset in you, they will definitely ban you from their games to avoid their game being ruined.In post 346, Yume wrote:Yes. That doesn't, however, excuse them from calling me 'trash' via PM.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonableIn post 352, Yume wrote:What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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also like wtf you're expected to be reasonable every game
someone who cheats 1/10 times whenever you play monopoly, and they tell you "i have one game as evidence of me being a cheater, but nine games as evidence of me being not a cheater" - if they were to say that makes them not a cheater, that's just ridiculous. you would definitely ban them from all monopoly games, because there's no way you would play with someone who would cheat in the first place, even if it is just one in ten games.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Well, there will be people who will try to help you out. But you can't point at people who refuse to help and say "you are just as bad". A game takes months to accomplish, and not everyone is patient enough to go through months of gameplay with a player who ruins games just to maybe help them out in the future. you should take responsibility for your own improvement instead of shoving the burden onto others.In post 355, Yume wrote:Then why don't they try to help me changed instead of just prattling about how bad I am? That's the difference between you and them. You offered to play with me to help me out. They didn't.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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well, not everyone will take her word for it.In post 358, Frozen Angel wrote:she means she is trying as hard as she can to be reasonable in all her games.
thats her approach for proving she is getting better. lolThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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how exactly did you think that threatening to break site rules would solve the situation?In post 359, Yume wrote:
I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.In post 354, Accountant wrote:
i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonableIn post 352, Yume wrote:What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.
no, before that, how did house even break all your options to the point where "threatening to break site rules" was the only path forward?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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It doesn't matter what the exact wordnig of the message was. there's no possible situation where yume would threaten to break site rules without also endorsing a certain mentality that not everyone appreciates in a mafia gameIn post 364, Frozen Angel wrote:@acc you don't even know what the message was
It was reported to a listmod so back of very kindly. you have no place to talk about thatThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I do not understand. He refused to listen to your evidence of you not ruining games, and you therefore decided that to convince him you would not ruin games, you would threaten to break site rules?In post 368, Yume wrote:
Well, I told him I had evidence of me not ruining games. He insisted I still do. I tried to explain myself, but he still insisted and insisted and insisted. That's how.In post 361, Accountant wrote:
how exactly did you think that threatening to break site rules would solve the situation?In post 359, Yume wrote:
I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.In post 354, Accountant wrote:
i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonableIn post 352, Yume wrote:What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.
no, before that, how did house even break all your options to the point where "threatening to break site rules" was the only path forward?
p-edit: So tell me, Wisdom, does you not seeing it mean it isn't there? >.>There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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even an empty threat would still embody a certain disrespect for the rulesThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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I don't think it's unreasonable to say that "making threats to break site rules, regardness of emptiness, is not ok".In post 377, Frozen Angel wrote:
and thats what listmods will consider and judge based on!In post 376, Accountant wrote:even an empty threat would still embody a certain disrespect for the rules
again who are you to say what is ok or not?
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this is called the freedom of speechIn post 380, Frozen Angel wrote:Even I as the moderator of the game ; I have no opinion and won't express any sympathy with eaither side.
seriously why you think you have the right to talk about everything?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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