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In post 184, Ranmaru wrote:So how would you want them to prove themselves otherwise, is my question? (if they can)
1) make an alt
2) find the people who wont wotc you and make a good track record of not being a terrible player in those games
3) verbally convince the wotcers that you've improved and ask them to withdraw
Well, here I am
1. I am an alt
2. Tried, didn't work
3. How do you suppose I do that if mod won't tell me who wotced me?
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
And zou failed to answer points 2 and 3 of mine. Figures you'd only answer one that suits you while ignoring the rest. Again, how am I supposed to convince them to withdraw if I don't know who they are? >.>
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 212, Wisdom wrote:And the fact making an alt didn't work just proves the problem is with you and your behavior, not because people are prejudiced about you like you were claiming before making an alt.
So the rest of you are allowed to chastise players on bad play, troll and do whatever you want in game, yet the rest of us who point out the fact you're behaving like kings of the world are immediately branded as evil. This is why I called you a hypocrite, Firebringer. Trust me, those who exhibit WOTC-like behaviour are many. So why should we be denied our right to have fun and our right of free speech just so you can toot your horn and be self-important? Especially given that YOU and YOUR decision are what causes the game loss, not us.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 212, Wisdom wrote:And the fact making an alt didn't work just proves the problem is with you and your behavior, not because people are prejudiced about you like you were claiming before making an alt.
So the rest of you are allowed to chastise players on bad play, troll and do whatever you want in game, yet the rest of us who point out the fact you're behaving like kings of the world are immediately branded as evil. This is why I called you a hypocrite, Firebringer. Trust me, those who exhibit WOTC-like behaviour are many. So why should we be denied our right to have fun and our right of free speech just so you can toot your horn and be self-important? Especially given that YOU and YOUR decision are what causes the game loss, not us.
anyone who trolls and causes game losses on a consistent basis will be WOTCed and join the ranks of the "outcasts". We aren't choosing to "bully" you because we're all self improtant and shit, we're doign it because you
consistently piss people off and ruin games for them
and that's something that's objective. I've never played with you, I don't know the complaints against you, but objectively I can see that tons of players have chosen to WOTC you and speak out agaisnt you and that's something that only happens when you're genuinely toxic or unacceptable
Yet, Kuroi and Wisdom, who did it at least once, are saints.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Meanwhile, myself and the others who attempt to be the voice of reason, are shunned. We start out as nice bunnies who try to chastise them politely. Then they flip on us and we become mad. Then they flip on us further and lead us to become toxic. Then they use the us that they themselves created with their tunneling/stubborness/whatever to paint us as devils.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
[quote="In post 219, Wisdom"]not for long
I dont see any reason whatsoever why anyone would want to play with you when your attitude continues being 100% unchanged[/quote
Says someone who continued to act as king of the world when his scumread flipped town.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 225, Yume wrote:We can take criticism. What we cannot take is someone acting like king of the world.
it's literally just a PM to the mod saying yoru play is unacceptable
a faaaaarrrr cry from being king of the world
So my play is unacceptable yet them pretending no one's opinion matters but theirs is okay? Check Symphonic Metal mafia. Me and several others tried to convince a stubborn player they were wrong, yet they ignored all of us. Is that acceptable to you?
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
And how am I supposed to change my play if you won't even let me join? Here's an idea: you give me a chance for a month. If I don't show signs of improving by then, then you could continue doing this without me objecting.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
But I get it. You want me to vanish, die, disappear. Just like everyone else. You proved time and time again you don't care about others, so drop the act. I am expected to care about other while the rest of you are self-centered. Not gonna work.
You say I don't respond well to criticism, but can you tell me if I singled Frozen Angel out since coming to this thread? She criticized me the most out of all of you, so if I were playing the victim as you say, I would have been at her throat by now. I am not. Ask yourselves why. Maybe because she doesn't exhibit any of holier-than-thou attitude the rest of you have....
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Yes, you do. Don't deny it. If I have any flow, it's met with a universal 'get out'? Feeling suicidal? Banned from another forum (this is why I told ika no one in the online world cares about him being suicidal , because I was banned from an online forum when I brought it up) Being less than a perfect image online? You get kicked from all the cool actions/banned. Trying to express the frustration of things being unfair here? 'lol, you know nothing Jon Snow'. Having the nerve to point out people have feelings which should be respected? Burn the witch.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 302, Yume wrote:If you are gonna go there, then I don't want to be in the games of someone who holds real life issues secondary to playing games.
What real life issues?
Like, sometimes real life gets in the way of being active every five minutes. That was your demand for Dragon Age. You weren't just restricting me to prod times, you insisted I post more than once during 12 hours. At least, that's what I got from FA's messages.
p-edit: Prove your assertion. You said I ruin large games. So give me one FINISHED, LARGE GAME that I ruined on THIS ACCOUNT. Games that are mini, micro or aren't on this account don't count, cos you explicitly said I ruin large games.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
I'm attacking you guys for the way your attacking her
Why? The attacks on her are reasonable. She's been given time and solutions and her gameplay and general attitude remains exactly the same: it's always others who are at fault, for tunneling, for ruining games, for thinking they are gods, etc etc. I don't see how this is going to change even if we wait a thousand years.
Tell me: did we lose Symphonic Metal Mafia and Mini 620 because of me or because you and Kuroi tunneled? Tell the truth and only the truth, and no dodging the question or turning it around onto an attack on me.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Then why don't they try to help me changed instead of just prattling about how bad I am? That's the difference between you and them. You offered to play with me to help me out. They didn't.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 352, Yume wrote:What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.
i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable
I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 356, Accountant wrote:also like wtf you're expected to be reasonable every game
someone who cheats 1/10 times whenever you play monopoly, and they tell you "i have one game as evidence of me being a cheater, but nine games as evidence of me being not a cheater" - if they were to say that makes them not a cheater, that's just ridiculous. you would definitely ban them from all monopoly games, because there's no way you would play with someone who would cheat in the first place, even if it is just one in ten games.
You're wrong. If they didn't cheat in nine games since, that means they're trying not to cheat, therefore, they've changed. As such, they should be given a benefit of a doubt.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 352, Yume wrote:What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.
i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable
I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.
how exactly did you think that threatening to break site rules would solve the situation?
no, before that, how did house even break all your options to the point where "threatening to break site rules" was the only path forward?
Well, I told him I had evidence of me not ruining games. He insisted I still do. I tried to explain myself, but he still insisted and insisted and insisted. That's how.
p-edit: So tell me, Wisdom, does you not seeing it mean it isn't there? >.>
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 352, Yume wrote:What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.
i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable
I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.
Me putting pressure on you to build an honorable reputation in the newbie queue to show improvement DOES NOT JUSTIFY THREATS OF BREAKING SITE RULES
You ignored Freedom's Call, a finished game I linked you. Where is the guarantee that you won't ignore all the games in Newbie Queue where I show improvement just as easily?
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 380, Frozen Angel wrote:Even I as the moderator of the game ; I have no opinion and won't express any sympathy with eaither side.
seriously why you think you have the right to talk about everything?
this is called the freedom of speech
Apparently, said freedom doesn't extend to me.
are you post restricted?
No, but the moment I say something that someone doesn't like, they scream harassment. I PMed Kuroi saying stuff he didn't like. I was not threatening him in any way or something similar. I just said something he didn't like. He called it harassment.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 352, Yume wrote:What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.
i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable
I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.
Me putting pressure on you to build an honorable reputation in the newbie queue to show improvement DOES NOT JUSTIFY THREATS OF BREAKING SITE RULES
You ignored Freedom's Call, a finished game I linked you. Where is the guarantee that you won't ignore all the games in Newbie Queue where I show improvement just as easily?
One game is not a pattern.
Forging ahead in your stubbornness to prove everybody wrong does not earn you the acceptance you clearly hunger for.
My suggestion only that, a suggestion. It would show good will not only towards the individual games, but the community at large, to use the newbie queue for a while to build up a reputation that Yume has indeed become a better player, and you will earn respect for that consideration from your largest detractors.
Obviously I can't force you to do that... that's why it would be an impressive act of humility for you to do so on your own.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Oh, and House, if one game doesn't make a pattern, where is your pattern of me ruining games? Afaik, you only have one game as evidence. If you have more, bring them out, otherwise your statement makes no sense.
p-edit: I said Kuroi, not House. You intentionally playing dumb or something? :/
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
If this is what this community truly thinks of me, why should I even bother? You and Wisdom will not budge even if I posted a hundred game links that show me being reasonable. Wisdom because he himself wasn't in any of those games and you because you are stubborn as hell.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 443, Accountant wrote:how is house using the "other" option to write his name proof that he is being insincere about his signing?
This is someone who is willing to go to extremes to get rid of me. Notice how he kept insisting even after I hydra-ed up? Proof that was willing to throw out someone else just to get rid of me. This is the kind of person he is.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
In post 448, Yume wrote:Notice how he kept insisting even after I hydra-ed up? Proof that was willing to throw out someone else just to get rid of me.
If you really want to paint me as a bastard, I'll point out how Titus had plenty of slots to join if you had been removed.
If you were not a bastard, you would have seen my point and you would be reasonable. You demand I be reasonable while you can't be reasonable yourself. Instead, you act like a baby throwing a temper tantrum and saying that you would only join if someone who pre-inned long before you waltzed in is throw out?
Hell, I don't approve of many things Vedith does, but in this case, I agreed with what he said. Think about it.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Well, Wisdom made it clear that no matter how many newbie games I play, no one will acknowledge that they exist because I was doing it to appease you rather than for myself or some bs like that. Of course I want to appease you so you'll stop wotcing me.
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will
Also, Wisdom played only 17 finished games since the game in question, so how come he can improve in 17 games and not be wotced when my forty games of improvement aren't enough?
Whatever the chains placed upon me
Whatever the prison, my soul has the key
No money can buy, no power can still
No burden can break the unshakeable strength of my will