Newbie 2059 - Scummer's Baking Championship (Baked Over)

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Cabd your flavor is awesome!

cabd regular vla on fridays and saturdays

Hello everyone, esp pooky and George!

VOTE: ahri

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Wow i really like that video! I baked some brownies yesterday which turned out decent but these look even better and yummier!
100 hours is a really long time tho!

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The vibes were very chill and happy for sure! I like how he talked fo his eggs and other ingredients lol

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Hello all!

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what pooky said! at this stage if you have any gutpings it might be a good idea to vote them - it helps get the game moving :)

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hi andante!

and i got the pagetop :)

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well if you actually think i might be scum for that vote me :)

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Jackson/ Fizz though.. their entrances feel a little off, just a gut read though, obv I'll want more content and it's not enough for a vote, but I'm already a tad sus there

hmmm i'm not actually sure i see it for those two wrt their entrances

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I like Andante's train of thought on JV

++town

agree!

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Yea that's fine. I just wanted to vote her

since two others voted someone else to spark discussion

. I also will use it as an excuse of reaction testing. No worries here.

hmmm i'm not sure i follow the bolded?

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Yes, but I wouldn't do it on the first day of voting people. After the first day, I will obviously.

first irl day or first gamephase?

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i have some townpings on grandpamo actually!

and i am currently winning the pagetop competition!!!
(assuming we discount cabd of course :) )

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well if we all don't vote anybody on the first day we wouldn't be able to flip anyone, right?

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Mod Note: The flavor snippets in orange are actually written by my wife, Penguin_Alien.

ahhhhh ok then @penguin your flavor is great :)
my one question is why the *kids* baking championship, and not just the adult one?

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Right, but at the same time, it's unfair to vote for someone on day 1 when there's no evidence from games I've seen on here on who's scum and who's not.

right, but if we don't flip someone, how are we going to catch any scum at all? the only way to get out scum is to use the flip, and if we abstain from doing so today, we just give scum free reign to kill whoever they like, and we're exactly in the same place tomorrow, minus one townie

But I guess reading back, shows how absolutely clueless I am on this game with the voting side of things more specifically the first day.

right, i think pooky did a good job of explainign why we need to vote someone out - it's kinda too bad to be that person day1, but if we don't, we're never going to be able to catch scum

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fwiw i think this line of thought is probably +town from fizz

Fizz can not be suggesting a no elim out of a town mindset. Like, what is your plan for these 10 IRL days? not finding maf? like, we're not even guaranteed more info by choosing to no elim.

i mean just because it's anti-town and suboptimal doesn't make it a scummy suggestion - what's pro-scum about it?

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skitter, what makes grandpa town?

i liked 47 and 51, 47 in particular -seems like he had some sort of plan/thought process behind his 'reaction test', and that is slightly +town to me
it isn't a strong read, but enough that i wanted to mention it to start a dialogue going

however, i don't really like the following:

leaning scum. For this interaction, you are either really scum for this because you are getting mad your mafia partner is being voted and you actually 100% defend them there. Or you are really town trying to actually play the game and being annoyed that the fact that there is early game votes.

i dont really like this
i agree that it's super suboptimal for fizz to suggest noflipping but i'm not sure why that's *scummy* of her

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i liked 47 and 51, 47 in particular -seems like he had some sort of plan/thought process behind his 'reaction test', and that is slightly +town to me
it isn't a strong read, but enough that i wanted to mention it to start a dialogue going

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i still like fizz, not sure scum fakes this or has this take

i was thinking of switching my vote to grandpa tbh

pedit yeah i'll do that too VOTE: grandpa

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lol

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and chocolate crinkle cookies!

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i make very good chocolate crinkle cookies!

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pooky has seriously claimed chocolate townie in a another game lol

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i like ahri's vibes but i'm not sure they make her town

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i don't understand it, sorry:/

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https://sallysbakingaddiction.com/doubl ... e-cookies/
these ones!

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to have some real content: i don't like people calling fizz scum here for her reluctance to flip someone

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uh

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uh huh

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no no i can tell you're joking, that was meant to be sarcastic agreement to your sarcastic comment

the skeptical look rn is for ahri postulating me/fizz

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the tone didn't really translate well over forum
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i thought you were doing a serious catchup

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ahri were any of those takes real?

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i'm trying very hard to share a pic of my cookies but i can't get the image tags to work :/

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Spoiler:

there we go - i made these a few weeks ago, and the chocolate crinkle cookies are in the middle :)

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I think hand of glory is town!

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I kinda like jv and think they come off a lot better in their convo with grandpamo than grandpamo does

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Ahri and Skitter, I also want to hear your finalized reads on everyone since you have kept discussing townpings and scumpings; more of a compliation.

i mean i think ti's p early to have finalized reads at this stage

but to summarize, i'm townreading hand of glory and fizz and jv
andante maybe like light-town
i think you're scummy

i don't have good reads yet on everyone else

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eh not such a good reason to give me a townread tbh

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i mean if i actively avoided answering you i would look scummy, no? and i would probably want to avoid that as scum

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i know - i'm saying that if i'm scum i would know that actively avoiding answering would look scummy, so i would go out of my way to answer, so it's not particularly alignment indicaative (AI) either way, since i'd respond either way

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I dont townread andante as much as in ffery's newbie
Could be like i'll get a bettwr read when they have time to play more, but this is how i view it rn

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Hi george!!!!!

And: mmmmmmmm donuts

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I have a surface level TR on skitz mainly because their entrance felt ballsy in a sense scum wouldn't try. Also the fact they don't have an issue with switching reads, scum tend to stick to it as to not feel opportunistic.

Oh? How was it ballsy?

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#165-

I hate how GM is asking how many scum there are. Like, I had this exact question last game, but as TOWN, you'd read the setup, so you know how many maf you're trying to find, what the possible PRs are... I had the question, but never actually asked it last game, cause it's easy to find the answer... feels exactly like maf asking pointless questions, cause if you ask a question, you should be trying to go a direction with it.

#169 - JV's entire "read" om GM... it all feels to me like it's part of this agenda to join me and skitter's vote.. convince 2 more to vote out GM. JV literally SRs GM for saying "lmao" like, come on... it feels like this is either town conf biassing GM as maf, or maf pushing for whatever.

I hate the entire JV/GM convo. JV's push doesn't feel genuine at all, yet it looks like skitter feels the opposite of me on this

Ok, I've read enough, I wanna get Ahri here, not even taking this seriously, has yet to out a genuine read, ignored the whole JV/GM stuff, like I'm not seeing any genuine effort to scumhunt coming from Ahri. And all of Ahri's posts just read as them taking this game as a joke

VOTE: Ahri

i'm kinda not following how you said the bolded but immediately thereafter voted ahri

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and yeah i kinda disagree with your take on jv/gm too

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I'll give you something which I believe could convince you that I do pay attention to people's reads and interactions:

VOTE: skitter30

hello!

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you're "100% confident" there is at least one mafia in Grandpa / JV, and yet with 6 other players outside you'd like to elim me to "give you less people to read in"?

yeah i agree with this and this is what i was getting at with 260 - you're like the 'wrong' vote after taking that stance so to speak

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fwiw i think ahri is townier now

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yeah it looked like faking a dumbtell to me @pooky

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meh i want to explore this for now too
VOTE: andante

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i mean sure that could be real but it also looks very similarly to how i've seen scum try to fake seeming new and naive and guileless as a newb-town instead of newb-scum

why is it a weird pivot and how am i hypocritical?

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grandpamo did you say you played mafia elsewhere? if yes how long were the dayphases?
i'll get to the second point after you answer this ^

also idk what you're first point is trying to say. i think you're saying i switched because ahri did? i hadn't read ahri's post when i made my own post r.e. andante, so, no. i do think that andante is being weird.

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3 - 20 mins lmao.

I think you should know what website im referring to, idk if im allowed to say it just for promotion policies and etc.

tos? you can say the sitename so long as you don't go: 'Site X is the best site ever everyone come and play with me there !!!!!1!' like in middle of a game or whatever

ok so i was guessing something like very short phases - in a game like that, sure, changing your mind in a very short timeframe can be oppurtunistic and seem hypocritical - what new info could you have gotten already between this minute and then one?

but here, timeframes are like irl days, if not weeks, and often times, new information is obtained as different people post differnet things and react to different things. its very, very, very common to reevaluate as new things are posted. this isn't really viewed as hypocritical here, but rather that you're taking new information into account and reassessing based on new events

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ugh i set you up for that >:(

how am i ever possibly going to dethrone you if i keep doing that

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it's not inherently viewed as scummy, no. town and scum change thier mind all of the time, the trick is identifying the difference :p

scum usually have more 'oppurtunistic' takes that are more ephemeral and change if convenient, whereas town usually ahve some sort of underlying thought process that motivates their actions
that's how i view the difference at least

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for andante, a few things:
- they feel kinda weird as compared to newbie 2057, which i just played with them. this isn't inherently scummy but is of note
- i dislike their hand of glory take, feels like an easy way to avoid responding/interacting with his content
- i dislike how they say there's scum in you/jv but then vote outside of the pair

i'm not sure they're *more likely* scum than you, but i feel like it's worth exploring

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i mean, what part of the above is confusing?

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#165- I hate how GM is asking how many scum there are. Like, I had this exact question last game, but as TOWN, you'd read the setup, so you know how many maf you're trying to find, what the possible PRs are... I had the question, but never actually asked it last game, cause it's easy to find the answer... feels exactly like maf asking pointless questions, cause if you ask a question, you should be trying to go a direction with it.

#169 - JV's entire "read" om GM... it all feels to me like it's part of this agenda to join me and skitter's vote.. convince 2 more to vote out GM. JV literally SRs GM for saying "lmao" like, come on... it feels like this is either town conf biassing GM as maf, or maf pushing for whatever.

I hate the entire JV/GM convo. JV's push doesn't feel genuine at all, yet it looks like skitter feels the opposite of me on this

andante, you right this post basically saying that you dislike both sides of the convo so i don't follow why you're not voting in the convo
do you also really think that my immediate reaction to you syaing slight sr on me is to try to vote you out as scum? why am i not pushing hog or iirc grandpamo?

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*ugh 'write'

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Pooky those donuts look really yummy!!!

Andante are you going to respond to 286? How am i dissimilar to last game?

FWIW i think grandpamo and andante can be scum together

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idk :/ they feel p scummy to me

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Yes but idk if andante knows that
It doesnt make sense as a real reaction to me really

They feel super, like, scattered and i'm having a hard time understanding how their thoughts and actions make sense together

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Why is no one discussing Ahri?

Sorry - are you going to respond to the points i made on the prior page? I feel like i've directed you to them a few times now but havent really heard a response

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Fizz i think you're townie!
George i hope you're ok!

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There were several other things in that post i called out tho, idk why you're fixating on the fact i mentioned you seem different

I mostly want to know why you voted ahri after calling out a dichotomy in jv and grandpamo

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Because you didnt answer the things i've been asking, several times now. Makes me feel like you dont actually have an answer

And ok sure, if you've been town all game, can you say how? What am i missing?

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heya

@cabd i will be vla from now till monday, with no internet access sat - mon

, as a headsup

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Well I obviously missed whatever question you're trying to ask me?? The JV/GM thing? I think it's dumb to try and force our vote in those 2 when Ahri is annoying me by doing absolutely nothing except meming.

how I've been town?? literally look at my ISO... it's town reading the freaking game... town actively gamesolving to find maf. I was the one who got the game going with the entrance stuff. but apparently it means nothing to you

but i don't understand the first paragraph:
- you seemed confident there's scum in the pair so why not pursue that?
- 1 scum in 2 people is more likely to succesfully hit a scum than 1 scum in 6 people, no?
- i think it's somewhat reductive to say that ahri is doing absolutely nothing other than memeing, she's definitely had some reads

can you show me an example (i.e. a post) where you think you've been particularly townie?

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pooky i really think andante is scum :(

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I would be big sad if skitter was scum.

Good thing she is town this game :3

i woud be very sad if i were scum too! or if you were scum for that matter. so be town plz!

why am i town?

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fuuuuuuuuuuuck you were totally lying in wait for that one and i totally missed it >:(

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skitter what are you doing >.>

abt what lol

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are we talking abt andante or idk

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ah yes. i'm very bad at sniping pagetops :/
even worse i actively enable cabd

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Good plan everyone, glad we're still on the same page

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Pooky i think u can be aligned with andante fwiw

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I hope so ....
The thing i thinn andante isnt and i dont get why you think they're townie

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i mean lets say he doesn't know that and he's just a newb who doesn't know how to handle pressure / vote.

Does this type of reaction come more from newb scum or newb town?

I'd think it's more likely from newb town who is like super exasperated and truly doesn't think there's any good reason for why you would vote him.

whereas newb scum might actually like try to figure out how you figured out it was them? Since there is an underlying sense in newb scum that they know you are right.

@pooky you said this r.e. andante but like i really disagree and find this very unsatisfying

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Hand, what do you think of andante?

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George are you going to be catching up here soon?

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Pooky like ig i'm just not seeing town?
Andante's still kinda avoiding answering things

Andante - its not that i'm refusing to consider you town, but you're refusing to provide me with the information i'm asking for, so i'm not sure what you're expecting from me here

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for andante, a few things:
- they feel kinda weird as compared to newbie 2057, which i just played with them. this isn't inherently scummy but is of note
- i dislike their hand of glory take, feels like an easy way to avoid responding/interacting with his content
- i dislike how they say there's scum in you/jv but then vote outside of the pair

You've never addressed the latter two points, and i think this is like the fifth (?) time i asked now

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Also how are you reading me

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... did i like miss the whole convo that you're talking abt?

Hog maybe i'm missing something super obvious but idk what you're talking abt

@andante i will try to respond shortly

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hog i'm a little confused about what you're confused about?
i almost feel like you're referencing convos that i don't have access too or something

either way in this setup there's exactly 2 mafia, and everyone's exactly the role they've been told they were assigned. all of hte possible setups are on p1.
the mod lying to you classifies as 'bastard' and a game has to be described as bastard well in advance of the players signing up for it
(and this game is not one such game, i can promise you)

you don't have to read newb2057 to play this game - i happened to be in that one, and so was andante, and was referencing things they said did there, but there is no pre-requisite that you read that one to play this one

fwiw i thought your analytical style was quite good

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Sorry, I kept missing them, I told yall I wanted ahri here, then basically stopped reading, checking back for if ahri decided to towntell, which she hasn't

* hand of glory. when I am behind and trying to catch up, giant paragraphs are terrible to read, I'm not a fan. so like, it's just a me thing, it's hard to comprehend the paragraphs quickly, and reminds me exactly how I first started playing as scum. you post long "wall posts" and people skim, and it looks like you say a lot. I tried skimming and got confused on one, then just gave up

*dislike scum in me/jv?? no I said if 1 was town the other was for sure going to be maf, but I don't fully remember what I said in that situation, I know GM has gotten a lot of heat this game, GM hasn't responded in a way I think scum would respond, but that's about as far as I am on those right now

* you read most of seeds' paragraphs in the other game, no? and you didn't call him scum for them?
* right - so that's what i said you said. if we flip town and the other is confirmed maf, wouldn't it be good to flip in that pair then? we either get maf or a townie (because then the other player is 'for sure going to be maf')
(i can't say i necessarily agree with this logic, but this is the logic you're positing, and i'm saying that your actions don't match what you're saying here)

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Please tell me how you are so confident Ahri is town? Ahri has not outed a single real read. not doing ANYTHING. I get highly annoyed when I'm putting forth all this effort then someone decided to turn the game into a joke. none of ahri's lines are towny

they have tho? why are you saying they don't have real reads?
yes it's dressed up in memes but i think that a lot of what they're saying is real

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So explain to me you guys as someone who's never played mafia and want to get better at playing the game; how do you do reads? I want to help, but I don't know how to do this.

hi! yes! so in this game we try to sort out who the mafia is, and who the townies are. we do this by reading their posts and trying to sort if the posting is suspicious and/or if hte posts more likely to come from scum than town or not

as you've read the game, you've probably got a sense like: wow i really like post 918, and agree with it

or: you know i really don't understand post 509 and i'm suspicious of the motivations that player had for posting it

and then we vote the players we think are the most suspicious in the hopes that we're right and we vote out mafia

even just voicing thoughts like the above is super helpful :)

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honestly i think they're a lttle lost

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Eh - more like the understand the basic notion of the game in theory but now that they're trying to actually play it realize they dont necessarily know how to

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for andante, a few things:
- they feel kinda weird as compared to newbie 2057, which i just played with them. this isn't inherently scummy but is of note
- i dislike their hand of glory take, feels like an easy way to avoid responding/interacting with his content
- i dislike how they say there's scum in you/jv but then vote outside of the pair

Namely that i find these points above strange, and that i cant seem to get a satisfactory answer on them
You've never addressed the latter two points, and i think this is like the fifth (?) time i asked now

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Ugh i screwed up the quote tags, sorry ^

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Well i wasnt really guilttripping him or asked him to change his vote, injust wanted to know more abt ehy he townreads andante and that's what i got back

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I'm not like convinced the sheeping is ai tho

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I'm not like convinced the sheeping is ai tho

well im using the other scum quote with that analysis. idk if that read is geninue but usually mafia sheeps other people's reads even and just claim wifom bs like i wouldn't make it that obvious as mafia just to seem aligned with skitter or something and stuff like that

Yeah but he might decide to sheep me as town tho - we've played a lot of games together

Fwiw i now think grandpamo is town

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Happy Scumday Skitts! :3

:) !

Ok really vla now, i'll try to at least respond to things tomorrow

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George you've been promising content for like 3 irl days and have posted like 4 times- are you actually planning on posting or

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uh i have sheeped you so many times as town I can't even count

and I have never sheeped you as scum >.>

This is fair actually!
Eithee way i was trying to say i dont feel the sheeping from you is inherently scummy here :)

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I'm not 100% confident there's a maf in x and y?? please tell me where I said it... you all keep saying I said that, I have 3 TRs/town leans and Ahri isn't one, so byeee

So, my read with Grandpa, I'm not 100% sure here, but I'm 100% confident, if Grandpa town, JV maf. I'm just not entirely sure I tr Grandpa. I'm just ready to send Ahri out, let maf elim 1, give us less people to read in lol

You say it right here, and then decide to vote ahri, and this still doesng make sense to me

- you're not sure you townread grandpamo, and you think if he's town anyways jv is for sure scum

So by this logic we should be flipping gm (who might be scum), and if he happens to flip town, we should go after jv tomorrow, who in your own words is maf if gm is town

Yet two sentences later you're voting ahri. It doesnt make sense

Also, i dont believe you responded to 385

Pooky, jv, hog what do you think of this?

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im not voting anyone. i explained my reads.

im pushing more of the jv and pooky narrative today and can vote skitter if i want to. there is still like multiple days left as pooky said and i want to optimize my time lmao

I mean, I still don't get it

VOTE: Hand of Glory

Ehat do you think of andante?

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Do you remember that old PYP game where I was tracker(I think). Were you town in that game.

To add to this. I had no idea how the setup worked at all, but I was the #1 in the draft.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83030

This one? Was town!

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I've always thought Grandpa is scummity scum :>

I think he's town now tbh

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fine, I'll ignore ahri too and let ahri get by not doing anything. I literally don't care. like, I'll self, town doesn't need me if this is how we're going to play for 5 more days.

I wasnt telling you to ignore ahri and you still never addressed my core point ...

This feels disingenuous

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george saw this method worked with ahri, so he's just not gonna talk.

This too ...

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George has 3 whole posts. lovely

fwiw the only time i see george bailey as town is that mafia is scared to push george bailey because it seems like they are afk and they dont want to seem scum pushing afks and stuff especially when they have tmi that they flip town and etc.

mhm yet I'm town and pushing Ahri who is essentially afk?? idk what I'd even call ahri, but hey, skitter would rather have ahri around than me... sooo

Again so you're pushing the afk person instead of the peiple you think contain maf ....

Like half this game isnt even interacting with the posts that are being made ...

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@cabd do you have a rule r.e. prodges?
(I.e. for george bailey ...)

K i'm not gonma have internet access for the next couple of days, i recommend flipping andante and y'all should also push george to, like, do anything

Pedit >:(

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Ah i thouhght i gave you the pagetop there from the mod note lol

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Lol
Thanks cabd i saw that but wasnt sure how prodges fit into that, i tane it you cant really do anything abt those

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enh i'll sheep skitter

you can never get fired for sheeping skitter

VOTE: skitter

:)

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Heya! I will catch up in a few hours :)

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VOTE: JacksonVirgo

since george decided to sub, I'll give the slot a chance

I still want to flip andante ^

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Hi jv!

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WhemeStar replaces in for George Baily. Please welcome him!

Hello again wheme!

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lmaooo ready for my unpopular take which I'm pretty certain on. Wheme is maf, like, sure get me today, get Wheme tomorrow and final is in skitter/Jackson. I'm not saying this just cause like "omg they're voting me" no it's like, a pretty dead certain read. Wheme feels identical to 2057, and skitter is very different.

Uh ?

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Is that something that you would say as scum?

I have, yes

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those currently sus of me know I'm flipping town, like, this can not be any more clear. Anyone notice where ahri went? nope, cause Ahri has no votes on her now... we don't have to sit here for 10 days guys.. we can get it done before the 10...

Not everyone voting you can be scum, ya know

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I townread a lot of people

Quick tldr?

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Cabd i hope your basement is ok
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I still dont really townread andante, maybe i'm tunneled idk

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He feels kinda genuine and even if i dont necessarily agree with his takes i can tell he is thinking abt the game
And he's trying to move the game along

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I mean but what scum admits faking tone tho?
Also i think scum tend to just allow the stagnation continue without trying to do anything abt it

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I mean sure they sort of bit off more than they can chew in pushing you and tried to back off, but i'm not sure that makes them scum

Also not sure they're trying to pocket people, or that they pushed you for being lhf

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mean sure they sort of bit off more than they can chew in pushing you and tried to back off

, but i'm not sure that makes them scum

Like why is this more likely to come from scum than town

Also, what do u think of andante?

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Sheesh i didnt realize the timer and i'm at work for the next several hours ... (i.e. i'll try to get to the things i havent responded to yet when i can)

While i super prefer andante i'll switch votes to ensure a flip (under noted protest)

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so pooky and skitter, you both are now like "I don't care who we get" yall had 10 days... like sure, I don't care, I'll self if needbe, but you both are just not wanting anyone in specific??

This is disingenuous and not really wht i said

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I

mean sure they sort of bit off more than they can chew in pushing you and tried to back off

, but i'm not sure that makes them scum

Like why is this more likely to come from scum than town

Also, what do u think of andante?

Because I don't see town!them outright manipulating people in our initial interaction and then have a complete tonal shift once they've realised they're losing grip. It's not only them just choosing to not interact with me, they've completely yeeted the way they treated their read on me that's not in the way of just evaluating elsewhere. Their wording and their tone just don't align with a genuine town making reads, and being heavily called out

for

said reads.

Andante I originally gut-pinned them as Town, but over time their posting has degraded that to a SR. Grandpa is by far my stronger scum-read, but them followed by Pooky. Andante is contradicting their own defined town-mindset as well as taking my own words out of context against me, instant OMGUS towards me even though I was not even pushing hard for their elim

I would much prefer a Grandpa elimination over an Andante one, but I wouldn't mind either way but I am getting a little pause from Andante as a few of their posts hit me different in a tone type of way, such as getting super heated when feeling they're being sole targeted and just breaking down in a way. Actually, thinking about it now, who did Grandpa say that they thought were getting bussed if they flip scum?

I'm not sure *why* he decided to make a tonal shift but idk honestly it doesnt read as super scummy to me - like i can see someone from a different forum trying a tone, realizing it isnt getting results, and then trying something else. As town too. I dont inherently have a problem with it tbh

I think grandpa saod that abt andante

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I really like grandpamo's analysis above

Ig now we wait for a replacement?
Wheme how do u feel abt andante

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You've had like 12 top scumreads

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Why arent we flipping andante again???? Like nobody townreads them?

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Can you summarize all of your reads plz?
Also nobody townreads you as far as i know ...

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You've had like 12 top scumreads

i disagree. he thought there was a scum was between me and jv. and pushed ahri as another propsoing 2 scum. only read changed when wheme came in and acted scummy which 3 ppl have said which i started then andante said something then jv did.

He was also calling me and pooky scum and within you and jv and also ahri

And i dont think his progressions on any of these has been good

Why do u townread him

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I'm not sure why you would out that if u had that read

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No, i saw it, but you dont have to keep drawing attention to the fact (or say it in the firsr place)

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I think gm's 676 is incredibly townie tbh

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Also dudes!!!

Mini and myself finally got accepted for a house today and I am so hyped ahaha

Whoooooooo!
(I didn't know you two were together!)

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Also: ig in my mind the thought process behind posts like 676 is so +town ans solvey that i have a hard time seeing it coming from (new) scum

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@Skitter, mind adding your thoughts on this before I say anything about it.

I think once he realized the deadline was longer he was willing to switch votes ?

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Same but once i actually read it it was townie

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Indeed!

But if you have a chance read like one of the sections- i think you'll see what i mean

(That's not to say that i agree with like anything he says per se, but yeah)

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@Skitter, mind adding your thoughts on this before I say anything about it.

I think once he realized the deadline was longer he was willing to switch votes ?

Except that wasn't it at all I believe. It was that they voted me simply because they wanted a wagon that wasn't Andante. Could be remembering wrong as well

Right, he townreads andante tho so whats the problem?

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V impressive cabd

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Fair point hmmmmmm

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It's all natural, my page-top snipes are not produced with any performance enhancing drugs this time.

Man we should sign u up for the pagetop-sniping Olympics then

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I wonder why the game is somewhat stagnant
I'm kinda second-guessing my andante read but he just feels so scummy to me :/

Pedit fair enuf

I tr grandpamo
And probably jv and ahri

Pooky isnt really playing so idk

Gun-to-head fizz and wheme are town

Which leaves me with andante + hog cept i kinda townread hog

Hmmmmm maybe pooky is scum idk

This is kinda where i'm at
Can everyone share something like this please?

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VOTE: whemestar

Lol from trying to hammer andante to trying to kill me without skipping a beat

W I l D

Does this make him scum tho?

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No i was super offbase in 2057, i didnt really catch any of the scumz

Also - that's very nice of you to say

Also - pooky do u have any reads independant of mine?

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I'm probably, like, not the besf at reading wheme but i think he just has a scummy playstyle tbh

Also - you're being v circumspect r.e. your own reads and it makes it a bit hard to read u tbh

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Also: i think gm and jv is tvt

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Jv i think gm, quite honestly does not go to this length to answer u as scum

Pooky were you thinking u might die before p32 or

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Ah! Fair enuf!

I still think you're being a lot more secretive than you need to be tho

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Well i can safely say i want to flip andante more than wheme

And fair abt the game slowing down but idk what your reads are (other than you townreading me + sheeping me)

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sure you can excuse it by saying oh thats just wheme playing scummy but like um... how r u supposed to ever catch wheme scum then?

Idk but i feel like he can do it as both alignments

And uh i appreciate you like defending me r.e. 2057 but i didnt really take offense to it or anything, it was a weird game but i also didnt find the scumz so fair enuf all around

R.e. andante - i feel like they dont really havr real reasons for the people they're pushing, but are pushing the people they feel are pushible instead. Still dont like their ahri vote, dont really follow most of the scumreads they've been proclaiming since then. And they get really defensive each time i ask and getting answers is super hard so it feels like maybe they dont actually *have* reasons for the things they're doing

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Jv i think gm, quite honestly does not go to this length to answer u as scum

Pooky were you thinking u might die before p32 or

On mobile cant respond to that large boi but Ill get there.

Thoughts on my reasonings to vote off Andante

I apologize, i'm a little scatterbrained this week, would you mind requoting?

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Skitter I’m sorry if it was a bad joke I didn’t mean it in a serious way

I didnt realize it was a joke, but i didnt take offense either way

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Or at least from my POV it was obviously a VT claim

^

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Everybody always says "@MOD" but nobody says "how ya doin mod" :/

How ya doin mod

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Eh i guess i can see the scum motivation but i dont really think that's where he was going with it tbh

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Sorry, i feel like i've asked this before but i cant find it:

Andante, what are your reads?

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This is pending, and if Grandpa disappoints I will flip back there but for now I think this is the way to go honestly

VOTE: Pooky

I severely doubt newb!scum would out a pr soft instead of keeping it in the scum PT, be this self-destructive and not even claim at all when at E-1 as well as be wagoned this bad with no resistance. Also saying that Grandpa did make that a valid point and I am ready to give some weight onto Skitter's read and hopefully if their ISO dive post is good enough I am willing to stay here and see if I am in a false-tunnel.

Ah sorry, i saw this but i thought you were refering to reasons you gave *to* vote him off and was confused what you were talking abt

Ok these things:
1 i think u have a point r.e. not outing a pr soft, so fair enjf
2. I dont think the not-claiming bit is particularly ai and i can see it coming from scum who dont want to commit to claiming a pr but want to maintain the *possibility* of being one to scare people off so to speak
3. I dont understand thd grandpamo point, sorry

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Like ig i just disagree with u there in that i'm seeing it more as self-destructive than self-preventative

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Again disingenuous ^

I'm also starting to question fizz's 'oh no i cant read and cant make reads' thing

how ya doin mod: i shall be vla until monday again, with limited internet access for part of much of that time

This should be the last of it, apologies

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why did you lot not flip anyone >.>

VOTE: andante i still think she's scum
pooky sent the friendly neighbor message to me which is kinda pointless cuz i was never gonna flip him here but ya

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also and 3rd, dont forget about skitter and irish.

I was offline for like two days at the time and couldnt

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Well I planned to self vote but I fell asleep as deadline was like 5 am my time.

this is such a scummy thing to sayyy

Y tho ...
Not convincef wheme is scum here tbh

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Jv is town

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Jv is town

Can I ask why you're saying this out of the blue?

i liked your posting eod + at the start of the day + you insiting that you can't mimic your towngames as scum (that inherently is wifom but the tone in how you said it i liked)

so i shared that

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Ok, so yes I'm really mmad. scum is skitter and Wheme. I'm like 99% sure on that. but I don't think we're gonna elim anyone here today either. Irish doesn't know how this works, they said they were new, so I doubt they even read. can we not waste 6 days here for a no elim again? I swear.

VOTE: WhemeStar

>.> why am i scum with wheme ...
i don't think wheme is scum either

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?

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i'm really kinda confused lol

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Well I planned to self vote but I fell asleep as deadline was like 5 am my time.

this is such a scummy thing to sayyy

Y tho ...
Not convincef wheme is scum here tbh

why not?

Why yes

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Fizz Raab are all the possible scum from my current reads and all except one is posting really. This is bad, that and we missed one elim which is probably crucial.

Can you explain to me why I'm scum when I know clearly you're town from the action I had last night? I don't think you saw that post so how can I be scum if I claimed you as town?

Fizz u shouldnt have claimed this >.>

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How is it destroying town's chances to win, Jackson? It's more benefitting town than not claiming anything at all, doesn't it? Isn't that what you do? Last I checked, you can do that. I don't know what you mean by being lowkey, but it's the ones who are too quiet that are destroying town's chances to win man. What about IrishDancer who hasn't said anything since he got replaced?

Sxum already know what you are so you might as well just claim it fully

But it really would havd been better to keep it hidden and try to get another action in tonight, now you're probablh just gonna die

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Can someone explain ehy exactly wheme is scum? Thanks

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Back to the setup. Since a Friendly Neighbour is dead, there are two setups that this can be.

Friendly Neighbour + Tracker
Friendly Neighbour + Jailkeeper

Both with a Role Cop, which acts like a Consigliere if you are from ToS. Which gets the role of the their target.

Oh never mind scum dont as they're voth in the same column, dont claim which

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Skitter is probably more of a threat to the scum late-game than a Tracker/Jailkeeper

so a tracker kill tonight is probably a bad move even for scum.

There are universes where scum view fizz as not enuf as a threat and kill outside of her, sure. But honestly prib not gonna happen

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Where has skitter even gone lately. Same with everyone really jesus

Weekend vla sorry :/

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why vote for me. VOTE: WHEMESTAR

And wheme is hammered, oh joy >.>

Ok jv is town, fizz is town, i'm town. So 2 out of irish, andante's slot, ahri, and gm are scum

I'm feeling like andante > gm > irish > ahri in that order i think

Why did you lot vote wheme .... like why is he even scummy ? Man fhat's a bad flip

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AHHHH I THOGUHT I WAS LYNCHED OMG

Oh lol same. Ok.

You're still town. Cab wr sort out the mess that is that group of 4?

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Weren't you saying earlier scum!Grandpa wouldn't have done what they did? Yet you order them as second to scum.

Its honestly very close and i'm not super confidenf in it and i wanted to post quickly in case of thread lock. But if that's not an immediate concern i have some more time

Why are we not flipping adante. Why are we ignoring andante. Why was wheme the flip. I dont get any of this ...

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well i joined this game half way through, i said i was totally new then u pick me.

This proves that they almost definitely thought that was hammer and did it anyway.

This was awful too actually
You know what just ignore fhat list of 4, it wasnt very good

VOTE: irish

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Wheme's reaction was genuine I feel, and they still added content and I liked what they said.

Irish apparently read the thread multiple times and still has no grasp on any reads, which is concerning.

Yes agree woth these, but disagree with your andante read. Intrested in at least putting some pressure on Irish with me, to get them to like post real thoughts and explain what they were thinking with the 'hammer' vote?

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Easy. They claimed I was town via reads. You were via night results.

This basically ^
I think jv is town but dont have anything mechanical to back it up. You outed that you were a pr and are saying you have mechanical (and thus stronger) reasons to townread him

(Although technically no matter what you are you technically dont have a mechanical clear on jv - they could be scum but didnt do any action so you didnt see/block them doing anything. Or if they're rolecop and you blocked the rolecop (and not killing) action, or the other scum is rolecop and did bith actions and jv didnt do anything. Or something along those lines)

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Yeah that's kinda what i was getting at - we need to get them to talk akd give reads at the very least and votong them will turn the pressure up, even if we dont go so far as a flip

Also i feel luke that mindset isnt super helpful honestly. Like, yes, i suppose i agree that we wont get loads of info if they are town, but playing in fear of that outcome means we wont take chances and flips that might be helpful too

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Ty!

And sorry for all my typos >.>

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where did you townslip

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eh i wouldn't call that a townslip per se but i think that the reaction to the 'hammer' was super super super townie and i dont' like gm shading that much at all tbh
i wont' vote wheme here

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You have said nothing about the game at all. And then when someone says your the correct vote because tomorrow were in lylo and you are providing 0 content you instantly hammer them and now we lose the game.

dont worry dont worry we vote irish tmr

so you think wheme is scum with irish?
this doesn't maek sense

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hello t3!
any interest in voting irish with me, since you think that's a possible scumz, you don't seem to scumread me, and there's a burgeoning wagon there? not sure if there's really any other gm votes rn

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so you're betting on it being exactly gm/ahri?

tbh i think that you/irish are p viable

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I'm not betting on it. I just see thosee as likely options. Irish doesn't apper competent enough to know the Wheme vote as fakehammer. Irish was lilely told to do that in scumchat. This was also at the same time where the replacement was still pending.

i mean i think irish thought it was a real hammer. not sure what the replacement being pending has to do with it

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gm i think has been showing a solve-y mindset. tbh i'm not as confident as i once was that he's town, but i'm really more suspicious here of your slot and irish

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did you think you were hammering wheme?

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because i thought andante was scummy and couldn't explain her reasoning for voting people

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no idea what mean by hammering

do you know what hammering means?

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Fair. Best I can tell Andante was bored town.

she coulnd't explain her votes or why she was making them tho ....

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i don't think i'm comfortable putting you in the townbloc just now tbh

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How am i looking at it wrong

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I'm not voting wheme and nobody has explained to me why i should be

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?

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I'm here dude. I've been posting. I get Jackson not to claim and then Grandpa says for me to claim. Which one do I do here? You guys are confusing me once again.

you've already claimed. don't claim the actual role.

who do you think scum is?

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just to make sure, if you are a tracker, you didn't see jv go anywhere, right?

either answer: 'i am a tracker and saw jv go somewhere'
or answer: 'i am not a tracker or i didn't see jv go anywhere'

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>.>

ok then
i'm trying to focus on those people too ...

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Fizz literally claimed pr and nobody is cc'ing her, she's therefore conftown, you dont need to read her anymore >.>

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wheme is scum for easily coming into the game and boom scumreading andante for no reason. just felt like a cheap way for mafia just to budge into the game after "analysis" was done making them to scumread anadante as well. idk just looked like a blantant sheep to me. also i thought there was a scum quote here in post 1082 where they claim no one has info besides fizz. yes that is true but why are you blantanly sure that fizz has info? just seems like mafia is def inclined to ignore pr claims and go on because hey they now they talked to this is in scumchat and their gameplan is to kill fizz tonight. also they question the nl. yes we dont NL but NL and then wanting to go onto irish? just feels like an easy condemn that is exactly why the vote pattern is here (wheme then irish) because if wheme flips town then irish is obviously most likely outted which i doubt will happen. if wheme flips scum we know that irish is most likely town since everyone know is pressuring them. mafia could be on this pressure hence why wheme questioned the nl in post 1020 and proceeds to continue pushing irish.

Uhhhhh
- i'm not sure if you're correct in ascribing scummy motivation to wheme's early andante scumread when she had so clearly been scummy (which you're ignoring)
- why canr have town him seen the analysis that was made prior to him repping in and deciding to agree with it .... why is this a scummy action for him
- again fizz is literally the pr. Dont understand why you're saying its scummy of wheme to say fizz has info when fizz literally has info, its just a fact. Acknowledging the fact isnt scummy. In yout next sentence you say that mafia is inclined go ignore pr claims but you're scumreading him.for acknowledging a pr claim, which doesn't make sense
- you agree thay we dont want a nl so why is it scummy that he agrees we dont want a nl
- dont understand the last like three sentences

This doesn't really answer my question and you contradicted yourself like 4 times here

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Fizz literally claimed pr and nobody is cc'ing her, she's therefore conftown, you dont need to read her anymore >.>

honestly my plan was to make them role reveal so they can hopefully scumslip as rolecop hence why i kept saying tracker or rolecop in my notes... if they claimed rolecop we def know that they are mafia lol

This was an awful plan no offense, and kinda scummy
We dont want to make her role reveal

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She literally has no way of mechanically knowing jv was town, i went through this a couple of pages ago

Ans what's the point of trying to trip up an outed pr claim that isnt cc'd ...

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jv i can kinda see where you're coming from wrt ahri but i'm not convinced how she's playing is more likely to come from scum than disinterested town

t3 i feel like this vote hop is oppurtunistic and just you switching because jv is pushing ahri and it seems to have more traction atm
i'm really not sure why you're just point-blanc not willing to vote irish

my bet for the scumteam is t3/irish

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I am unwilling to vote Irish here because Irish isn't scummy enough. If Irish flips scum at some point then yes. I will accept scumreads and accept the fact that my read was wrong. But I have't seen anything convincing enough for me to vote Irish over the bad and scummy votes against Irish.

he literally tried to quickhammer wheme tho >.>

adn the entire irish wagon was people you're saying you're townreading (me / jv / fizz) so who exactly are the 'bad and scummy votes against irish'???

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but ahri doesn't seem to understand the nuances of pr's necessarily anyways so why is it *scummy* of her to suggest that
also why are you castigating ahri for not voting in the pool when your prferred vote is ahri herself

and why is gm willing to vote irish tomorrow a more relevant piece of information than the fact that your entire townpool was voting someone you don't even townread

...
>.>
...

why is everyone voting people i don't want to flip???

@grandpamo/irish why exactly are you voting wheme
@jv why exactly is ahri a better vote than t3? i think the scumteam is exactly t3 + irish

pedit ok but if he can get in here so that i can grill him abt that and make that assessment myself i would appreciate it

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they're not but i think that you/irish are so much more scummy than ahri and make a very viable scumteam to boot
+ if you're both town it shouldn't be nearly this hard to get a wagon on either of you

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i odn't really follow the 'lying' bit tbh
i don' think she's been reading along, she came back to the thread and read the last page or so and saw a discussion about the pr's and was mad

where's the lie.
not sure why that's inherently pointing to scum

i don't know how to explain why i think that disinterested town is more likely so much as i'm unconvinced that the mosst likely explanation is that she's scum
like nothing here can't be explained by disinterested town

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what do you think about the fact that t3 is decidedly not townreading irish but wont' vote them even tho 3 of his townreads were wgoning him on the prior page?

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Jv i think you're reading too much into that phrase. I dont think it means she's lying, and i think its very possible as either alignment she had only read the prior page

I strongly disagree with this flip and wont vote for it

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My issue with t3's irish thing is that he doesnt have a good reason not to votw there either. His reason basically boils down to 'but i dont want to' with soft defenses of irish but i cant get ay *why* he doesnt want to or what makes him reluctant to vote irish or what makes these ither votes better

I think t3's ahri vote is opportunistic and i think he's our best chance for scum today

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I will not vote ahri unless my vote is literally needed for a flip at deadline to prevent another no-flip

I think this is a mistake and that she will flip town

Dont know how to say it more clearly

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I will vote if i have to, but under noted and significant protest

Also, not sure what gm/irish existing have to do with my alignment