Newbie 2061 | Views of Tallinn | Town wins

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let’s start by getting rid of the evil replacement.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

[NorwegianboyEE]

Evil doesn't fit me cause I've gotta be here to carry the town to victory Haven't rolled it yet though so idk if I'm good at it at all

Not YET?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Heyo, you’re all welcome here.

Except Not_Mafia, he is not welcome. He needs to die.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i was team with N_M i would rq.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He is a troll. Confusing. Hammers wagons on E-1. Doesn’t explain his positions.
Lynchbait as town, obvscum as mafia. Destructive force of villainy.
Etc.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i was team with N_M i would rq.

whats rq?

Ragequit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t have reads yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I find him mostly annoying, spammy and a negative town utility.
But he can be funny in some rare occurrences i guess.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If scum he's just 100% bad tho, and hard to wagon cus people just say he always plays like a completely anti-town goober. and therefore rather suspect the town pushing for his lim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Heyo, you’re all welcome here.

Except Not_Mafia, he is not welcome. He needs to die.

I really hope you 2 are the team so we can look back at this post after the game ends

Btw i found this post tonally scummy from Meuh, but my read on the slot isn't strong this early on. Just a reminder for myself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

so he has no difference as town and as scum?

He replaced into a scum slot in a game once and basically just trolled and then fake claimed like 5 roles to stay alive longer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It is slightly different i suppose.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes. I'm a shining beacon of towniness.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Call me Norwee.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought so as well to be fair.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Stilted posting= scum. Isn't a given though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's not just a game, it's a way of life.

Sooner or later you will start to scream "THIS GUY IS SCUM!" to your store clerk in real life.

[NorwegianboyEE]

whats stilted mean?

Awkward, fake, scummy, keeping up a pretense, poor acting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or he's just socially awkward.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Meuh

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're going to jail Pearofclubs.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Marcistar/Pear/N_M leaning town.
N_M get's points for actually doing an miniscule amount of solving and not just trolling.
Pear's response in 64 townie enough for a newbie.
Marcistar inquisitive behavior townie.

#

Funnily enough i was already using the terminology of "Pear" in my upcoming post prior to me even reading your post telling me that just saying 'Pear' was fine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Marcistar / Pear / N_M townlean
Samawoodo null. Catboi null
Meuh scumlean.

Torii, In3kro not posted yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, that way of thinking of you sounds totally right tbh

What do you mean here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Really tired today. Don't have a lot to say. :b
At least nobody else been posting much.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not sure yet but I think there's at least one mafia between Meuh, Norweegian, and iN3kor

Oh yeah, explain this please?

[NorwegianboyEE]

NorwegianboyEE (SE) - town How much they contributed at the beginning makes me think hes town trying to help us out as much as possible. I don't really see the helpfulness coming from a scumplayer.

I mean, sure i’ll take that townread.
But i think it’s a bit naive to think that just because an SE is helpful they aren’t scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But i think it’s a bit naive to think that just because an SE is helpful they aren’t scum.

Are you saying ur a scum?
Are you more active as scum then..? I think if you act scummy it'll be more noticeable since ur kinda active.. its not a 100% sure read.

Um no, rather the opposite. I'm usually less active as scum. But just as a rule of thumb, to not assume someone is town just because they're active. Because not all SE are bad at scum like me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Meuh's improved a bit. But idk where to put my vote yet. Kinda interested to see if this Catboi wagon gains any traction or not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: iN3krO

I feel like scum would be trying to pocket me in this game. Also In3kro's posts have pinged me in a variety of ways.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Samawoodo is perfectly fine. Leaning town on him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Torii/In3kro/Catboi is my current suspect list.
I wouldn't bet my savings on both scum being in there, but it's a decent chance. I like the other slots for an myriad of reason.
Maybe i'm wrong about N_M, but i will always be paranoid of N_M.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think this is an N-M scumgame, but I don't know him as well as you and won't begrudge you being suspicious.

My initial thoughts is that this isn't an N_M scumgame either. But that's also what brings up my tinfoil hat, because "WHAT IF??" thoughts keep circulating in my head and that makes me angry because i don't wanna lose to scum!N_M.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dunno about Torii, my initial response was suspicion due to their writing style but that's not necessarily anything. What about his play pinged you? The other two I completely get.

It's kinda something i see from newbie scum players all the time, very insecure (post: 80). Making reads just for the sake of making reads and not really explaining it (post: 82).
Though they do explain it in post 95. And 105 is slightly better. But i just find it like a typical scum newbie playstyle so that what makes me think he could be scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

inkro + Sudowoodo?

The thread might be more interesting if you were around more!

No, no god.
No, please.
Oh god, no.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually i think Catboi played similar in a previous game, they tend to have very relaxed start where they don’t do much. But activate and solve later.
At least as town they do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not interested in Catboi wagon because In3kro’s on it and i think it would be an easy wagon to join for scum if he’s town.
And my read on Catboi isn’t so strong really because they haven’t been actively scummy in any way except for not being super solvey at day start.
I’m moving them back to nullread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@NorwegianboyEE: Could you explain how your read on Sama evolved from #68 to #125?

His post don't seem that forced after seeing his play from the RVS onward.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Toriiiiiiiiiiii and catboi have been prodded.

We don't bite.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do newbie scums always act this way, or do you think it could depend on how confident they are with their partner..?

I don't think it matters too much how good their partner is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like scum would be trying to pocket me in this game. Also In3kro's posts have pinged me in a variety of ways.

Do you think so because of 83?

Are you saying you wonder if i'm thinking In3kro is scum trying to pocket me or if that post in particular is what pinged me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

All aboard the ink train!!

What was the point of this post if you're currently voting Catboi?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want you to explain it. :)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok.
NGL, i had some time and was lowkey paranoid of you, so i compared your posts here to your previous two newbie towngame ISO's.
I don't think your memeing is allignment indicative at least.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you think anyone's been actively scummy? As in, not just inactive. But suspicious in your eyes because of their actions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What i said was that i think scum would try to pocket me, since i’m getting widely townread. But i find In3kro generally suspicious because some of his posts have pinged me. Does that make sense to you now?
I’ll elaborate on why later. This game has very little activity from the most sus slots and that makes it hard to get a more clear picture of the gamestate.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My votes carry such depth, such volume. That counting them twice is only natural.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Catboi is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No ifs, buts, or why’s about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sry guys, but Catboi wagon sucks. He’s towntelling in his posts here and we should go somewhere else.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Current reads-TR Norwee,

You previously said this:

I'm not sure yet but I think there's at least one mafia between Meuh, Norweegian, and iN3kor

Can you explain your progression between thinking there’s mafia invetween In3kor, Meuh and me. To townreading me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

In3kor why do you scumread Catboi?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you so sure? What about his play so far has you thinking he's town?
I'm curious, your defense of Catboi hereis pretty sudden, and pretty spirited.

It's how i like to play. That said, i don't really have any 'super' strong scumreads this game so what i'm doing instead is pushing my townreads to make sure they don't get eliminated. Which they always might when N_M is in the game since he'd hammer any wagon that reaches E-1.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh no, In3kro’s got an avatar, and now i already feel more sympathy towards the slot since he’s no longer an nameless, faceless stain on the playerlist. :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i'm working too, spending my little free time playing eroge!

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game is low activity because there are no votes and conversely nothing to discuss as an result.
Like we need to hear if people are fine with In3kro dying today or not. And then we can continue. Or we just do nothing and wait for deadline and make an worse uninformed decision as an result.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did Not_Mafia place a vote that's not a hammer.
Scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I kinda wonder if my townreads are shit cus this gamestate is really bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Meuh
I scumread you initially.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just vote the people that say an N_M wagon is good, and you'll flip scum.
Works everytime.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i think this "scum just don't talk at all and are inactive lol" read is pretty lazy and could just be scum saying it cus a lot of town are afk.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As you said, being hard to read by acting constantly jestery is his game style, and I don't see it improving anytime soon, so why not make sure we have a stronger town for tomorrow? Plus I could see him flipping scum. I'm not confident he will, but I wouldn't be surprised. I'm not really scumreading anyone harshly enough to warrant going for them over N_M here.

Like this is just so bleeeeh. Feels like scum!Meuh sweet talking us into that juicy mislim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But it is a fact that when N_M is town mafia that are unfamiliar with his playstyle are extremely likely to want to try to make us flip him. N_M is super flipbait if town here. And sure, that's annoying. But i feel like Meuh isn't really being genuine with their N_M push.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why do you think there's an actual chance he's mafia here as oppposed to just usual flipbait N_M?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do you think of in3 right now?

Tbh, town. And that's partly the reason why i'm trying to make the game go in another direction.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is a strong gamestate read on N_M. Nobody agrees on an elimination and then Meuh is slowly moving the goal post towards N_M. I don't think N_M flips scum in that universe, but opportunistic scum are trying to lead the charge on an easy to eliminate slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like there's two possibilities here. Either N_M is literally scum and everyone else is so townie he get's singled out and killed.
Or we're in universe two which is a lot more dangerous, where scum are in a good position and trying to make us eliminate an shitty useless slot.

I'm much more scared of the second universe, and if N_M actually is scum it will probably be quite obvious at some point cus i doubt he'll live to ELO.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The problem is that if N_M is scum i doubt he'd be playing like a dead fish when put on a wagon. Or that one of their teammates wouldn't raise hell. And since i'm town i find it much more unlikely that N_M is scum with another AFK player and they don't do fuckall VS N_M is town and scum are putting the pressure on there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't understand how N_M > Catboi/Ink today for scum

Ink and Catboi have both played a bit townie i feel and not really been what i'd consider "easy to eliminate" slots.
So a townflip on them would look worse for voters on their wagon than a wagon on N_M cus: "lawl, policy vote!".

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, this is me trying to make sense of things here. I don't understand what the scum team has been doing if any of them have been pressured and put on any of the biggest wagons recently.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Eh ig so yeah
I mean the votes were on them

Yeah but what i meant is that they were relatively inactive until they got wagoned and took the game more seriously.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway it's felt like you were trying to steer our ship down the cliff.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm i'll give the N_M meta a look when i get some time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Reading N_M is tiring. Mentally.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think you r scum wither way Catboi. So that vote is meh, but i’m still feeling like N_M could be town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either way*

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think my activity dropping isn't telling considering i've been working this week on a very tiring job and can't spend all of my time here.
I'm interested to know what people voting me think it would tell them about the rest of the players in this game if they vote me out and i flip town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also please go to the core of the matter, y'all think i'm scum for pushing Meuh here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Same as has been said about other slots, and me to an particular degree. I rarely push hard to elim slots as scum. I would probably keep voting slots i perceive as weak rather than switch my vote to Meuh at any point if i already had the knowledge that Meuh is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Needless to say, if i'm actually eliminated here, please put more scrutiny on Pear and In3kro.
I mean, Pear had me as top town earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m interested to hear why you think i wouldn’t just keep voting you or switch to N_M if i’m scum here In3kro.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Eh i think Catboi’s been pretty town though.
Why did you scumread Catboi?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ops wrong game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hm i'm very impressed with Torii's replacement.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This wagon on me is extremely dumb lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As a fun aside, the fact that it HASN'T been brought to E-1 is convincing me that Norwee is scum a bit more.
After all, if Norwee was town, why wouldn't scum bring him in range for N-M to finish the job?

Dumbest shit i’ve ever read.
If town it’s sad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: In3kro
Vote this out when i flip town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Catboi Pear town so don’t vote them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t bother explaining all of my takes because i rely a lot on gut and don’t care about explaining myself all the time.
...in what world do i play this way as scum? I’m clearly not defending anyone or playing with an agenda. Then again, i don’t expect anyone here to be familiar enough with my meta to see beyond their tunnel vision.
"Hurr Durr he scum for not explaining his post" is the traditional take for newbs so i don’t blame anyone for voting me. I’m just dissapointed. I’ve also been working a day to day job that’s very tiring so complaining about my fading activity being somehow allignment indicative is 100% bullshit.
Then again, if that’s what’s going to happen then go ahead, it’s just the day 1 elimination anyway.
But remember, Pear and Catboi don’t feel that scummy to me. Of my wagon when i’ve flipped town the elimination order should be always In3kro first and MAYBE Catboi, but i don’t really scumread him. Pear feels very town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just liked his reads progression because it didn’t feel to me like something a acum replacement would come out of the gates with. Seemed very real.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It makes total sense to me. And just because i didn’t share my exact thoughts doesn’t mean: "it doesn’t make sense" you just didn’t ask me and wait for the answer. Rather you prematurely assumed the read didn’t make sense even though i didn’t explain why i read it the way i did.
You’re too impulsive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like this is clearly just a playstyle clash. I’m obtuse and not really explaining from A to B why my reads are what they are, because that’s just how i play. Look at any of my towngames and you will find the same pattern.
Clearly you assume scum traits for me that might be valid for you, but is absolutely not so for me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And me not explaining doesn’t mean there isn’t an logical explanation for my reads and progression, just that i’m too lazy to move into explicit detail because i’m too busy focusing on other things.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You may not like the answer but it’s the truth. I don’t have anything to hide when town and will say what’s real even if i acknowledge it would make me look bad to a playerlist that places much more importance on rigidity and coherent progression.
And if i was scum i probably wouldn’t show any individual thought at all. Merely safe stances that would hurt or impress nobody. I believe i’ve already towntold quite heavily here in this setup and anyone who is familiar with my playstyle should be able to recognize that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum!me would give no fucks about derailing an potential N_M wagon unless i was exactly scum with him. And if anyone believes that i’ll listen to it with interest. But otherwise i’ve basically towntold hard in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm VT btw.
Pretty convinced scum are on my wagon. So make sure to eliminate from there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That includes you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sorry everyone, my reads were awful this game. I usually am not that bad, but Marcistar's style is one that just didn't ping me as scummy at all... Well played to them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

huh actually?
i usually play better as scum i feel like, but i can tell easily what and where i went wrong so thats all thats fine.

You were just like, really open about your feelings, and i read your emotional posts as very genuine. That’s why you felt so town to me. You also put in a lot of effort i felt, at least in day 1. At the end here you became a little too inactive and it’s pretty clear the other town picked up on that. That was your biggest mistake i think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think there was a pretty big opening in pushing Catboi as scum. If you said he opportunistically turned his townread on me around when i got wagoned for example, tbh i thought he might be scum because of that in dead thread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well you can sign up to another newbie game as an SE this time, or just go to another queue and find other games.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wait, i checked. These are the rules:

Once you have played five Newbie games from scratch you are no longer allowed to play Newbie games (except as a replacement) until you play a game outside The Road to Rome, thereby qualifying as an SE player. See the SE section below for more information.

So you have to play a game outside of here once, and then you can join here as SE. But no longer as an newbie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

can u come play with me somewhere else im too shy to go alone without knowing anyone ;-;

If you want, you can sign up to one of the games i'm already signed up for.
I'm going to play in this micro 9 player setup:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 5&start=64
And this 24 player setup:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=86505

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not a big fan of bastard setups, but if that's your thing. Knock yourself out Marcistar.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The 9 player micro i posted is really easy to understand.