Newbie 2064 - (GG)

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ayyyy ima read now

[JohnnyFarrar]

Should be a relatively quick catchup post.

Hi I'm Johnny I'm an SE (which stands for sexy endividual) and I'm here to just play like regular. If I come off a preachy or condescending please know I mean no offense, I love this game and wanna help you enjoy it.

Hi JV!

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Ok maybe not I have to cook dinner. Here's pages 1 and 2

Not a lot of info to go on. From the brief look around the forum, it seems like most people aren't a fan of RQS and I get the feeling no vote is a good way to be the first elimination lol I guess if I have to pick, I'll go for the first voter (sorry, but I agree with your guess at least)

VOTE: Micc

This reads pretty awkward.

If you find RQS useful, then give it a try. Even if people ignore it that’s something you can read into.

More significant imo: you imply that not putting a vote down would you look suspicious, but you ignore another player who did that and instead vote for me. Is my vote coming down first even more suspicious than orctin not voting in their first post?

Hard agree here

VOTE: orctin He's being suspiciously helpful...

Eh? He's posted two jokes?

I played a few times on SA, and I'm not all that familiar with how things are different here. But I haven't played any mafia in a few years.

What does SA stand for? I also played on a SA, wondering if it's the same one

I think orctin is at least somewhat responsible for our game’s underwhelming start since he demonstrated understanding that a certain amount of aggressiveness is good for moving the game along, but still chose to make a second RVS vote instead of being aggressive.

Actually no, it created a very tense and unpleasant game as the main antagonist was singular minded, and didn't listen to much in counter discussions but just called most people scum who went against them, the attacked the player more after they claimed a PR role basically being forced to out themselves in frustration, and after 8 days of day 1, when we finally ended the day - the player was wrong and cost us one of our town PR day 1 - Luckily a few of us managed to play our own game, and town won day 2. Jackson knows, he was part of the game.

I am not an aggressive player, i prefer to watch more, see where people go and look for connections - and right now Micc you seem to just be throwing a vote out there so you can basically say you did, no real reason behind it except to vote for me because i'm not aggressive enough for you? Seems pretty weak logic there. That is the fun part of this game, so many different personalities all come together.

Was it rationalmadman in your other game?

Micc taking orctin to E-2 this early on day 1, when he already has two joke votes, is fishy. All it would take to eliminate orctin at this point is one inexperienced player following his example and one other scum vote.

I’m going to stop you right there, and ask you to think about what our goal as a Town is and how we win the game.

In this scenario, wouldn’t you have just found scum? You did confidently name someone scum without any clarifier. Sure, its trading town lives for scum, but it’s a good trade in the grand scheme of things, especially if any Town PRs survive the exchange.

I don’t think it’s strong play to be worried about E-2 wagons in a game of this size. As long as everyone has the understanding that Town never hammers without a claim under any circumstance, nothing can go wrong.

This entire post is scummy. It sounds like you're advocating for eliminating someone at random and that it will probably work out.

Is having a scumread on someone worth nothing? I hardly call it "at random"

I dont like anything about that Bandwagon, i dont think the scumread is solid enought to have 3 votes being put on it that fast, especially considering the first vote was a reaction test. I REALLY dislike how fast votes 2 and 3 hopped on that, and i think at least 1 scum voted that. Also ther person i voted for still hasant talked so either they are unaware the game start, unable to play the game yesterday for whatever reason, or just mega scummy for coasting along a entire day

So the first two votes are jokes and that means vote number three, not a joke, is the problem? If anything the real vote is the good one imo

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Moving to a fast and loose catchup style so I can post while cooking

P3:
I like monkey entrance.

Fizz expecting logic or if everyone is going to cause you frustration on this site. There are some top notch gut players. There are also some people who use logic that goes wayyyyyyy over my head

Orc not getting up in arms about me being at e-1 is interesting

JV here got my heart all aflutter

P4:
I agree with monkeys fizz vote, though am less confident about it. Still would have sheeped at the time.

And then fizz gets SUPER defensive. Wild.

Jacko and Monkey going back and forth did nothing for me

P5:
Navy coming at JV with a baby associative is really neat to see. It's wrong, but I like where their head's at. Doesn't comment on fizz, tho.

Dum muses the idea that micc is a pr, among other things, then votes him anyway. I think this vote is both well thought out and weak, which to me sounds like town. @dum in the future, don't call out if you think someone's a PR, we don't want to tip scum off

Oh Orc tried to hammer

Stopping here for a minute.

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So like as I start my read of page 6, It should be known that in a regular game I would vote orc and keep my vote there. keep my vote there. That looked like you were trying to hammer. But newbie gets botd. Anyways.

P6:
I disagree with JV and Monkey about Dum looking fake.

Navy advocating for policy lims is yucky, as monkey points out.

Based on this page I'd rather vote Navy than Dum

P7:
Hooooo boy Rizz isn't gonna like me

Navy so polite

James is here, I like their initial reads

Navy thinking every post needs/ will have substance will lead to much frustration for them

P8:
We fighting

James has effort, which is nice. Prolly unwilling to vote James today unless something wild happens

Stopping again, sorry, family drama

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Yoyoyo wassup it's 3 am and I'm feeding a baby lets do some more reading

Sorry but botd?

Benefit of the doubt

Page 9:
While I don't agree that this is a blatant misrep I do think old Jimmy is sorta missing the point here, though as the argument goes on I wonder how much of that is on purpose.

I'm reading a whole Lotta confbias/ scum tenacity out of James here. They're doing that "every post this person makes is scummy" thing, which is rarely true and even more rarely convincing

Jacko is also getting heated in a way that I've not seen in my few games with them? I'll check their alignment in those games again

P10:
Monkey back and forth matches my Jacko thoughts. I like this monkey.

I like Navy still. They seem solvey as all get out.

Ninja is all full of associative reads and defensive quotes and uses those to vote Navy, and I like the energy. The conclusion I think is questionable but the spirit is there.

Fizz is all full of piss and vinegar about length of posts. As if only townies can bloviate.

P11:
More of Navy either showing great initiative as town leader scum (unlikely, no offense) or putting effort into keeping up with reads and keeping the game moving. Let's call it town.

Ninja popping back on micc when the other wagon didn't take off is concerning.

P12:
I read this whole page and didn't write shit here cuz it's mostly just my townreads posting shit I agree with.

We're not killing Navy today I'm betting the game they're town

P13:
What the fuck is this color mess (let's all just pretend I read it.)


And hey I'm mostly caught up. I might be conf biased in a few places but here's my general reads based on likelihood that I'll vote them:

Unwilling:

Navy - mad town no question
Monkey - I agree w/ them so much either they're town or I'm wrong about a lot of stuff
Dum - I got a soft spot for gambit and that fake vote was mwah
Ninja - like I said, I see an effort to read people, but among the high effort people this one seems easiest to fake

Willing:

JV - getting suckered into piss fights and making votes I don't agree with. Nothing particularly scummy other than *vibes*
Rizz - I don't think I'll learn a damn thing even if Rizz is scum and we kill them. They just seem concerned with who looks the smartest and not who got that juicy red PM and I genuinely don't know if that's alignment indicative
James - I see less effort and more word vomit as the thread goes on and their perspective seems forced or obtuse in quite a few spots
Orc - that almost hammer got me on tilt man

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Going back to bed!

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I lied about sleeping

They just seem concerned with who looks the smartest and not who got that juicy red PM and I genuinely don't know if that's alignment indicative

This is alignment indicative. It's called not scumhunting

right but like... newbies don't know how sometimes?

Jacko is also getting heated in a way that I've not seen in my few games with them? I'll check their alignment in those games again

Check my latest games.

I just ctrl fd "fuck" In 2062 and got 14 results. Saw some.... choice things

Holy fuck there are huge posts

I'm not normally like this, this is a wordy game

I disagree with JV and Monkey about Dum looking fake.

Mind clarifying further?

Like the proposition that putting someone at a fake E1 As some kind of scum trap for a newbie seems so far fetched to me.

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Love ya jacko

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VOTE: Fizz we're doing this. Much as I wanna put Jacko out of their misery I'm not sure they're flipping red

[JohnnyFarrar]

Nah

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In my experience "slips" are rare and more often they're just people getting reallllyyyyyyy particular about verbage

[JohnnyFarrar]

I have that affect on games baybee

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Yes.

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This moment will be excellent to look back on once we have some flips. 2, 2, and 2. Nice.

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Lol you did a A to my E and now I'm all a tizzy

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My impression of monkey saying they feel manipulated

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Blaaaaaah fizz should claim

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Those are fake words