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Honestly, it's hard to be confident at this stage, but Luke is a pretty good player, so if he's on the Town side I'm pretty optimisticIn post 9, StrangeMatter wrote:Here's a random question to everyone.
How confident or nervous are you about winning this game?
On the other hand, it would be hilarious if he were the scum this gameIn post 14, Lukewarm wrote:
I would say decently confident. I am coming into this game off of a pretty good game. Town win on Day 2In post 9, StrangeMatter wrote:Here's a random question to everyone.
How confident or nervous are you about winning this game?- Zyla
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Yeah, it depends on the particular game too, but it can be pretty fun
Nah, we just finished Newbie 2065 so we're joking about itIn post 33, HockeyFan wrote:Spoiler: snip
This pings me as being a partnery interaction/maybe a pocket from Luke, possible scum in these 2- Zyla
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Tbh, it isIn post 31, Lukewarm wrote:On the other hand, Zyla has not pulled out her random number generator for her RVS vote yet, maybe she is town this time lolpartlythat I just wanted to set the tone to be a little lighter, and RQS is a bit more playful than throwing votes out willy-nilly- Zyla
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There isn't really a "set" time to switch, but if you have some sort of read of someone somehow, or have more serious questions, feel free to throw them out thereIn post 36, StrangeMatter wrote:So I take it this is the point where the game goes from silly and random talk to about the game at hand?
Honestly I wasn't really reading anything from him yet, butIn post 39, HockeyFan wrote:
Ahh Ok so its a meta read? Makes a little more sense, although I still SR luke a bit(less than before AND almost leaning null rn), because thier opening didnt sound that genuine from a townie perspectiveIn post 35, Zyla wrote:Yeah, it depends on the particular game too, but it can be pretty fun
Nah, we just finished Newbie 2065 so we're joking about itIn post 33, HockeyFan wrote:Spoiler: snip
This pings me as being a partnery interaction/maybe a pocket from Luke, possible scum in these 2Spoiler: Newbie 2065- Zyla
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Honestly, I was expecting to have to wait until IRL tomorrow to have some reads either direction, but I guess I got a strong one early.
I find it interesting that you mention my question but don't actually respond to either of themIn post 15, HockeyFan wrote: With that being said, I will vote Zyla for stealing my question
VOTE: Zyla
What makes Dragon town from this post? If anything the wording is slightly off for townIn post 18, HockeyFan wrote:
Already found a confident town, SVD is townIn post 13, Save The Dragons wrote:are we doing rqs instead of rvs?
i feel confident town will win, how's that?
What do you mean by this?In post 66, HockeyFan wrote: Counterwagon this ASAP- Zyla
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Ignoring is NAI, but mentioning it and not responding seemed a little off to me.In post 74, HockeyFan wrote:
I mentioned it because I was going to ask the "Do you like pineapple on pizza" question and it seemed completely NAI but I wanted to see a reaction by voting u. I didn't bother to respond to the other one. I do not know why ignoring a RQS post is scum leaning?In post 70, Zyla wrote:Honestly, I was expecting to have to wait until IRL tomorrow to have some reads either direction, but I guess I got a strong one early.
I find it interesting that you mention my question but don't actually respond to either of themIn post 15, HockeyFan wrote: With that being said, I will vote Zyla for stealing my question
VOTE: Zyla
I would still like to know though, do you prefer mafia or town?
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ehhh while the wording may be off, I think his original post was towny enough and
What makes Dragon town from this post? If anything the wording is slightly off for townIn post 18, HockeyFan wrote:
Already found a confident town, SVD is townIn post 13, Save The Dragons wrote:are we doing rqs instead of rvs?
i feel confident town will win, how's that?this read was pretty lackluster anyways so theres no need to pay too much attention to it
Honestly, while I'm not going to remember every read in the game, I don't think I want to just dismiss one, they can be pretty important
I'm not entirely sure you understand wagons
There were a few votes on the table(cant exactly remember who), but none of them were on Luke and I thought Luke was scummy so I wanted to counterwagon Luke
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That's signature material right thereIn post 77, Save The Dragons wrote:you can call me STD i don't mind- Zyla
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See, the amusing thing about this is that that question is actually one that could be pretty informative. How confident areIn post 64, StrangeMatter wrote:
To be honest, I had two thoughts come up, and one was that question that meant little for the game, and playing how I would normally do, usually RVS.In post 63, Haschel Cedricson wrote:So why ask it?
Right now it looks like you asked an RQS question to try and gauge alignment and then voted for somebody who hadn't had a chance to interact yet, and then dodged followup questions about it.youabut winning?- Zyla
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For future reference, to easily link to a post, you can use the [post] tags around a number and it'll link to the post (It changes it to say something like once you hit preview, but that's just the internal id for the post)In post 109, StrangeMatter wrote:See post 86. So @HockeyFan, can you please explain why you think Luke would be scum defending me here?- Zyla
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Just curious, but how would you define the difference between not being genuine and cracking a few jokes? At least to me, while Luke was joking around, he seemed to be genuine.In post 112, HockeyFan wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but Luke is more experienced than you?(At least that is why what I think). I think Luke “defends” in an attempt to explain your RVS vote on me when Hachel started questioning you in 19 and 23 when he could just have ignored it. Furthermore, both of you are individually scummy. You for your reaction to some pressure from Haschel andIn post 109, StrangeMatter wrote:See post 86. So @HockeyFan, can you please explain why you think Luke would be scum defending me here?Luke for not being genuine enough through his first few posts.
But also, how does the fact that Luke is more experienced factor in? A more experienced scum would belesslikely to defend their partner, as defending scum is in itself scummy.
I will say that this one seems more like confusing logic than a scummy post, but I guess we have the rest of the day to figure that out- Zyla
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Inwardly, that's true, but a good scum player isn't going to show it. If they think that it's guaranteed that their partner is going to be eliminated they'll vote for them, if they don't they'll try and shift suspicion onto someone else.In post 153, HockeyFan wrote:
I admit the whole "you guys are partners" read was based on very few things, post#24 just seemed odd to me. I SR u 2 indiually and while going through liogs I saw this and I was like "Hey, possible partners?". That partner association is gone from my head BUT you 2 still are scummy and CAN be partners but not because of 24In post 145, Lukewarm wrote:snip
As for 147, again maybe its different expereinces but most poeple I've played with dont want to see their mafia partner condemmed d1(including me)- Zyla
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Luke wasn't even thinking you were scummy though, where are you getting this narrative?In post 194, HockeyFan wrote:
kinda like this from Strange more town points for them. Idk maybe Im completely wrong on this scum read which leads me to my next scum read of Zyla. I think Zyla is lazzily pushing me here as scum seeing that Cedricson, and a bit of Luke and crys were already pushing me. I think she was looking for an easy mislim by further pushing/burrying me while also having no other intent than to tunnel meIn post 187, StrangeMatter wrote:
Not sure, both are completely plausible but his grammar feels absolutely intentionally like that.In post 184, HockeyFan wrote:
Do u think hes not being serious as town or is just deliberately wasting towns time as scum?In post 183, StrangeMatter wrote:At this point I think he’s not even being serious.- Zyla
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I don't have any more response to this. My first post about you had enough information that saying it was only based on other people pushing you just seems insincere.In post 208, HockeyFan wrote:Okay Cyrus didnt post. Why does that change that your push was meh and based on other ppl pushing me?Spoiler: snip- Zyla
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Nope, just youIn post 214, HockeyFan wrote:
Okay it may not beIn post 211, Zyla wrote:
I don't have any more response to this. My first post about you had enough information that saying it was only based on other people pushing you just seems insincere.In post 208, HockeyFan wrote:Okay Cyrus didnt post. Why does that change that your push was meh and based on other ppl pushing me?Spoiler: sniponly, but it was defintely based somewhat on other peoples reads?(may be wrong on this)- Zyla
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You do want to be town though. If you don't get read as town, you're going to end up on the chopping block, which if you're town wastes an elimination. And if you're mafia, being read as town is the entire pointIn post 235, cyrus62 wrote:
tha is the point i dont want to be to town. people who are to town get nk . people who scum think are easy lynches get though to d2.In post 234, Pavowski wrote:
I don't know how the hell to read Cyrus actually, he could be scum just flooding the thread with smoke or a VT trying to draw the NK or get lynchedIn post 223, HockeyFan wrote:
I dont like this at all. Pav has made about 1-2 reads and his read on u was pretty genuine and came from a town perspective so what part of their reaction do u think is scum?In post 222, cyrus62 wrote:pav pins me as scum- Zyla
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I actually want to cycle back to this tbh. What TR did that "reaction test" give you?In post 202, cyrus62 wrote: oh are you trying to shad . i think i found some town with that reaction test . makeing it easyer for me to short- Zyla
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I actually lost my last game because I interpreted a joke as a breadcrumb and made it too obvious that I was PR hunting, so I can definitely see even fake-crumbs as useful when used correctly. Unfortunately, I'm not quite experienced enough to use them correctly, even if that seems like a cop outIn post 195, Save The Dragons wrote:crumbs aren't always good to leave because scum hunt for them
they can be helpful but beware
Considering that this is a newbie game and you are not a Jester, I see no way that that makes sense. How could being seen as scummy be good for you?In post 250, cyrus62 wrote:
go for it if anything my wagon helps me.In post 249, Azeru wrote:I'll reiterate and say I get it. I won't deny the other side of it being 'adding flavor to the game' or 'reaction testing' or whatever it may be. It very well could be just that. Regardless of whether or not it is that, I don't vibe with it at all for reasons stated, and my vote will stay where it is for now.
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Ngl, this is making me hungry for "tables"
But I've already had pizza twice this week- Zyla
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Because of ongoing games, or are you waiting until day 2?In post 254, cyrus62 wrote:
Can't fully answer this yetIn post 251, Zyla wrote:Considering that this is a newbie game and you are not a Jester, I see no way that that makes sense. How could being seen as scummy be good for you?- Zyla
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Haha, that would be hilarious, but not this timeIn post 259, Pavowski wrote:To that end, hey Zyla, are you scum with Luke this game? The universe is a funny place and if this game turns out that way it'll give me the tingles.- Zyla
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In post 230, cyrus62 wrote:
cant answer that.In post 228, Lukewarm wrote:Do you normally change in ways that make you harder to sort in your current game?In post 254, cyrus62 wrote:
Can't fully answer this yetIn post 251, Zyla wrote:Considering that this is a newbie game and you are not a Jester, I see no way that that makes sense. How could being seen as scummy be good for you?
Ok so since this seems to be your main answer to questions, how about you just tell us what you can answer?In post 273, cyrus62 wrote:
i cant answer this right now.In post 271, HockeyFan wrote:?? Idk why you're using this as a way to "defend yourself"/give Pav a way to read u since u said in posts 205 and 224, "I change my meta every game"- Zyla
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Alright, since a topic change is in order, this seems like a good time to post my reads
Towny
Azeru - Honestly, 94 felt towny to me, which is mostly a gut read, but they keep up the towniness through the rest of their posts so I'm letting it stand.
Pav - Extremely scumy vibes from 85 (/joke) Honestly I like 102 as a start, and 268 seems like pretty good analysis to me even if I disagree on some points
Null (Town-Lean)
Luke - He isn't playing any differently than our last game, which he was town, and he hasn't done anything scummy, but I don't want to give him too much credit just from meta (as that's my least favorite way of playing), and while his posts have been good for the town, a lot of them read more as a more experienced player trying to make sure everyone understands the dos and don'ts than anythingparticularlytowny.
Null
Haschel - Haschel seems to be an aggressive player, which can be good or bad, but I need a few more posts before I'll have a good read
Dragons - I gotta say, I donotlike 13. It seems odd to me that an experienced player would even post that, it feels like he's distancing himself from town for some reason. The rest of his iso just doesn't seem to have much substance, no questions asked, no real jumping points for discussions.
Scum Leaning
Strange - Honestly, looking through their Iso, I just see a lot of posts with very little to say. Mostly gut read though
Scum
Hockey - I feel like I've made my case enough here
And then there's Cyrus. Honestly, whether or not he's town, I don't think his play is being very helpful to the town. Overall it seems like the only thing he's doing is confusing everyone- Zyla
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I.. feel like that's actually worseIn post 298, Save The Dragons wrote:i don't like how lukewarm accused me of pocketing him
there are you happy now- Zyla
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First, Happy Scumday!In post 334, cyrus62 wrote:im so hoping i dont die tonight.
But what makes you think that you're going to die tonight?- Zyla
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Honestly, I'm surprised that HockeyFan can't read it tbh, but I'm not gonna give them scum points for that or anythingIn post 346, Lukewarm wrote:
The more cyrus says stuff like this, and mentions his code unprovoked, the less I believe it.In post 343, cyrus62 wrote:
its not ment for everyone to read its a codeIn post 341, HockeyFan wrote:
sigh, you are actually so hard to read because half of the time, idk what you're saying lolIn post 337, cyrus62 wrote:inch fast that hat earth right east. in soon after dont only count, shoot ant vest every . match empty.
good luck
Like, why bring up the code in the first place if it is real?
Why right this new message, but then be okay with hockeyfan not being able to read it, because if both messages are true, then for all he knows hockeyfan is the exact person he needs to read it?
It is all seeming manipulative / performative at this point
I will ask though, apart from HockeyFan, does everyone know what Cyrus is saying? Because I don't necessarily believe it, but it seems like he's refusing to answer any questions, so if the information is already out there I'd like to make itknownthat it's out there. (And if over 50% of us have figured it out, then chances are at least one of the mafia has, and if one of them know, both of them do)- Zyla
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In post 392, cyrus62 wrote:ok smart one what does it say.In post 97, cyrus62 wrote:I am town tracker.In post 337, cyrus62 wrote:if there. is a doc, save. me.- Zyla
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Same.In post 390, Azeru wrote:I will admit to overlooking the first one until he brought attention back to it though.
Anyway, that's Me, Luke, Pav, Azeru, and IthinkHC who've said they understand, which to me says there's a good chance that mafia already knows even if we don't say it in the open- Zyla
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Honestly I can think of some ways where it might have a higher chance of success than failure, but overall the only thing he could do with it is PR hunting, and I don't think I'd be risking an elimination over that if it failed (especially in my first post)
That said, if Cyrus does end up as being scum, to me it's going to feel like a nail in the coffin for HockeyFan- Zyla
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+50 scum pointsIn post 408, Save The Dragons wrote:not everyone veers every read. go on, not now all. get in very easily yesterday on under under pain. not everyone veers every read! go on, not now all. lose everything to yesterday on under. don't over worry now.- Zyla
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Hm.In post 414, cyrus62 wrote:
going to spend hours trying to figer out what this mean . but from what i see we either have doctor of friendly which std may be eitherIn post 408, Save The Dragons wrote:never. gonna. give you up. never! gonna. let you. down.- Zyla
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I'm curious, what reads awkward about that read to you?In post 484, HockeyFan wrote:Actually looking back, there hasn't seemed to be much interactions between Pav and Azeru other than 1 read from Pav awkwardly null reading them?- Zyla
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To me that seems fairly normal, he's got some town vibes, but also some scummy vibes, and they cancel outIn post 490, HockeyFan wrote:
Its defintly not conclusive but in 268, he goes from Tring back to giving reasons why they're scum just a few words later which is ??? His scum read didnt even have any reasoning on why hes scum fwiw so I have 0 clue why based on that, Pav decides to read Az as neutral but could be just me?Zyla wrote:
I'm curious, what reads awkward about that read to you?In post 484, HockeyFan wrote:Actually looking back, there hasn't seemed to be much interactions between Pav and Azeru other than 1 read from Pav awkwardly null reading them?- Zyla
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I think that's disabled in certain forums (such as games)In post 514, Pavowski wrote:
Actually if you go to your user settings you can set him as a "foe" and apparently it will hide their posts? Haven't tried it yet but that might do it.In post 511, Pavowski wrote:
That would be so helpful honestly, but no, I don't think soIn post 504, Lukewarm wrote:Cyrus looks to be quoting every single post, in order at this point....
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What are you meaning by push here?
smoke doesn't do anything for townIn post 426, cyrus62 wrote:In post 425, Pavowski wrote:I see we're still on Cyrus's messiness for some reason. Folks, there are better things to focus your mental energies on. He wants the thread full of smoke for some reason, and whether you think he's town or think he's scum, you're letting him run the game by engaging with the smoke. I will again recommend that we move on for now.
I've been driving all day, but I'll dive into some more reads this evening now that I'm back at home. (And back on a computer I can actually post properly from.)
Also @Luke, the bit about Zyla being town this time after mafia in last game was a joke, of course. RNG can never be trusted, unless you're trusting it to be untrustworthy. I keep forgetting sarcasm has been outlawed in this game
ofc smoke makes the world more fun. btw we just have to find the two most likely scum . have the doc save me. well we track the other . if its a friendly im dead either way. but have the friendly message who they think is town. if they dont reveal it then we know they are scum. if its a jail keep and they lock up who they think is scum after we lynch the 1st . we still win . if we flip town by mistake since im the nk have them lock me up no death and we still have 8.ormake the game enjoyable, it just frustrates and confuses
What slip?In post 461, cyrus62 wrote:
This could be a scum slip. So I'm noting it for laterIn post 456, HockeyFan wrote:
Where is the me and cedricsson pair coming from? I've barely interacted with cedricssonIn post 455, cyrus62 wrote:
How does reading an acrostic have to do with town?In post 530, cyrus62 wrote:
you havent done hardly anything tthis game . i gave you alot of points for reading the code 1st but then you droped off. i will have to mark you as null now for the time be.In post 528, Save The Dragons wrote:i thought it was weird that haschel was voting a newbie for not responding because a newbie might not know that they generally need to respond to everything- Zyla
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I'm actually kinda glad that you say that, because that was my thoughts too, it seems like a reasonable response to my question. I just left it alone because I wanted to see where people were going with that and then it seemed too late to bring it upIn post 577, cyrus62 wrote:
to every one this isnt a clime its a answer to a question.In post 19, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Vanilla Town is the best role because not only do I get to give zero fucks about drawing the nightkill, it's actually good for me to draw it.
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You have claimed to be TT, yes.In post 607, cyrus62 wrote: look im tt. if any one wanted to they could have counter claimed or started voting for me saying that. i dont trust my own reads. heck in class during test i would always 2nd guise my self.So farno one has counter-claimed, yes. That does not 100% mean youaretown tracker.
You could be a Mafia Goon with a Goon partner and thought "Hey, 66% chance that no one is able to counter if I claim TT, let's give it a shot".
Could be that no PR is willing to out themselves day one.
While it seems most likely that you're town, that doesn't mean that players shouldn't try and read you anyway.
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Cyrus I don't think that that's gonna be very effective
Sorry to hear that. And that definitely takes precedence over the game, so don't feel too rushedIn post 640, Haschel Cedricson wrote:I will come back later tonight. My grandpa died 30 minutes ago and that has knocked this down my priority list.
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So, going through ISOs I actually found this kind of interesting. I didn't really notice it much the first time, and mostly thought it was a joke, but Hockey is saying "theIn post 21, HockeyFan wrote:
I'm very confident winning this game now because you have outed as scum by voting me so the 2 mafia are already outed to meIn post 9, StrangeMatter wrote:Here's a random question to everyone.
How confident or nervous are you about winning this game?2mafia are [known] to me". Strange is supposed to be the first of course, but who's the second one?
Slightly random question for Hockey from this: if I were scum, who do you think my partner would be?In post 113, HockeyFan wrote:
I tend to go for partnery reads alot more since mafia partners tend to have associative tellsIn post 105, Azeru wrote:On the topic of HockeyFan, this is actually really interesting to me.
As far as I can tell, it seems like all of your scum leans have been partner reads so far. Is that coincidence or is it just your style to look more specifically for pairs then any individual player?
So, around this time, you had Azeru as a hard town read. If you were thinking either Pav or Azeru had to be scum, how come that didn't make you want to vote Pav?In post 544, HockeyFan wrote:In post 542, Lukewarm wrote:
I think you are not parsing out his comments the same way I amIn post 538, HockeyFan wrote: Probably should have worded this better. In post 268, you TR them in the first line but your final read is a null read on them? Your SR in that post was left blank(presumably because udidntSR them)
I read that asIn post 268, Pavowski wrote:Azeru - in 135 points out, rightly, that we somehow managed to get Hockey to e-1, and calls for us to chill the hell out. Read: town. But also establishes as somebody watching and tracking the game very closely. Read:scum. End result, I dunno. Neutral I guess.
"Azeru - in 135 points out, rightly, that we somehow managed to get Hockey to e-1, and calls for us to chill the hell out. Read: town" Pav is giving Azeru townie points for 135
"But also establishes as somebody watching and tracking the game very closely. Read:scum" Pav is giving Azeru scummy points for this
"End result, I dunno. Neutral I guess" Since Pav has things that ping Azeru as scum and things that ping Azeru as town, they ended on neutral
Oh ok Yea I see now, I thought he formatted his comments like I tr Azeru <reasons> SR azeru : <nothing>. and at the very end, he Null read them. Okay well if thats the case azeru/pav probs arent partners but one of them is the 2nd scum- Zyla
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How so? We've got a ton of time left and they currently don't have someone they want to keep their vote on, that seems like it's NAI to me
Honestly, it mostly gut and possibly some confirmation bias at this point, but I haven't seen enough towniness to counteract the things I've pointed out before previously.In post 730, Lukewarm wrote:Maybe I am addressing the wrong person....
@Zyla, why do you think that Hockey is scummy?
To me, while that's definitely a possibility, it's also quite possible for scum!strange that their partner is inexperienced, doesn't use the PT, etc. I don't think it does enough for their case to count it either way
Honestly, I'm not sure that quite answers my question: atIn post 738, HockeyFan wrote:Yes there is still a possibly of their beingSpoiler:1 scum between them, but I am more confident in STD flipping scum(and being the 2nd mafia) rn so that is why I am pushing it morethatpoint, when you seemed sure that one of them was scum, and you were sure Azeru was town, why didn't you vote for or question Pav?- Zyla
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Apologies if I haven't explained my views on Hockey as well as I thought, tbh I'm not always the best at explaining my thoughts, and that's part of why I like this game, since it's a fun way to practice. I'll try and go back and figure out what needs fleshing out, but is there a particular part of it that you think needs improvement?In post 759, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Also of note, Strange says that Zyla is a "decently good townread". No explanation is given.
So, is Zyla a good townread? She certainly has a long enough ISO that we should be able to find out. But are those posts substantial? No. No they are not. Out of all of her posts I was only able to pinpoint four that look like they are scumhunting or scumhunting-adjacent: A vote on Hockey with weak reasoning, a minor defense of Lukewarm with weak reasoning, a list of reads where the scumreads are justified with "Mostly gut read" on Strange and "I feel like I've made my case enough here" on Hockey (she has not btw).
Ye, I think that's pretty much it. Also the fact that I'm still not sure what his initial TR on Fenrir was even supposedly based on.In post 760, Lukewarm wrote:From looking at your mentions of him, I think it boils down to him avoiding your questions early in the day, and then you think his reads are not genuine because he can't back them up or outright walks them back when you press him on it
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That's fair, honestly until we get NK info I don't think my read on him is going to change, but it's not like it's a 100% chance he's scum either[post=#12835041]760[/post], Luke wrote: I am not sure that I saw enough in your iso to shake my own read on him, but I will give it a second look.
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In d1, how are we supposed to gather information? Random Questions seem as good a way as any, so isn't it better to answer them? And again, it's the fact that he interacted with the question but refused to answer.In post 772, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Okay, let's look deeper at these posts she thinks are scummy.In post 769, Lukewarm wrote: I think that Zyla has not done as good of a job summarizing her read as she could, but she is definitely pushing him over posts that she thinks are scummy.
70 into 87, pressing him over his STD read, and calling him out for trying to back off of it
She presses him over his read of me in 155 and 157
She presses him over his read of her in 207
And then she pushes him again in 720
And then again in 757
- HockeyFan mentions that an RQS question was asked and doesn't answer it -> "I find it interesting that you mention my question but don't actually respond to either of them" and "Ignoring is NAI, but mentioning it and not responding seemed a little off to me."
I don't know how many fucks the rest of you give towards a player not answering a blatant RQS question, but I promise you your number is way too high.
I'm confused on this one. Could you quote the posts in question?[*]Hockey makes a weak read -> Zyla points out it is weak -> Hockey acknowledges it was weak -> Zyla attacks Hockey for backing down from a read she herself pointed out was weak in the first place.
That was a genuine question, where does the line fall between not being genuine and cracking a joke? Are jokes inherently scummy?[*]Hockey says he didn't feel Luke was genuine in his first few posts -> Zyla attacks something that pretty much by definition is a subjective feeling, and adds that experienced scum would be less likely to defend their partner.
Of course they don't want to lose a member, but Luke would know that a pageWhile bussing is a thing, in a game with two scum it's incredibly important that the scum don't lose a member on Day 1, so this is an incredibly weak defense of Luke.1vote wouldn't be important enough to warrant trying to defend their partner.
At least to me, those seemed to be clearly engagement, not attacks or a scum push. I suppose I might not have looked at it from Hockey's viewpoint well enough though[*]HockeyFan mentions that Lukewarm had thrown minor suspicion onto HockeyFan along with Cyrus, although most pressure had come from me -> Zyla points out that Lukewarm wasn't thinking that Hockeyfan was scummy.
That, of course, ignores the fact that Lukewarm had indeed been applying pressure to Hockey; Luke's 84/145/147/148/151/164 are certainly adversarial enough with regards to Hockeyfan that I have no problem whatsoever with Hockeyfan interpreting it as a minor attack on him.
That seems like a personal problem to me. Everything is important on some level, and if I see something I missed earlier while looking at an ISO, I intend to bring it up.The remaining posts all refer to things that were said after I read Zyla's ISO but I'll indulge you anyway.
[*]Zyla attacks Hockey for a supposed scumslip in Hockey's very first post of the game.
I don't care about the RVS stage at all on page 2; I'm not gonna start caring on page 31. I can't analyze the rest of this post or 757 until I do the deep dive on HockeyFan.[/list]
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Missed seeing this earlier, but I hope everything goes well and/or gets betterIn post 762, Pavowski wrote:Sorry to make a 2nd post devoid of real content. RL got out of hand today and the thread went to 100 mph again... It'll be tomorrow morning before I can post anything of substance.
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You know, I never really understand what people have against people defending each other. Like yes, stepping in front of a question that was asked specifically to someone can hurt the town at spots, but if someone is accusing someone and you disagree with the reasons, why *wouldn't* you step in and say "that doesn't seem right to me"?
Even if I agree with someone's read on someone, I'll step in on occasion if I think that their reasoning is off. Whether or not the person is scum, it ends up bringing discussion to the table, which is always good- Zyla
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Here goes:In post 802, Lukewarm wrote:Zyla, please make a scum case on Hockey if you think that is a better push then Strange. Assume I have no idea why you are suspicious of him, Talk to me like I am 5.
Whether or not other people think it's scummy,In post 15, HockeyFan wrote:Hey everyone! Glad to be playing some fourm mafia! First time playing and super exicted
With that being said, I will vote Zyla for stealing my question
VOTE: ZylapersonallyI didn't and still don't like the fact that my questions were acknowledged but not answered. (And to clarify, I didn't care about the pineapple part, that was just to spark discussion, but I think that your preference can give some insight to your play)In post 18, HockeyFan wrote:
Already found a confident town, SVD is townIn post 13, Save The Dragons wrote:are we doing rqs instead of rvs?
i feel confident town will win, how's that?
I'm still trying to figure out what about this could give a town read, let along a semi-conclusive one. If anything, it felt not like "I'm town and confident we'll win" but more "Town's gonna win, even if I don't want them to", although I suppose that's a bit subjectiveIn post 47, HockeyFan wrote:
Definitely not conclusive reads, but I think you are town(See post#18). This is the only [semi-]conclusive read I have. The earlier read I did have of Luke maybe pocketing Zyla has now been sent to null, wbu? Do u have any readsIn post 45, Save The Dragons wrote:you guys have reads already?
And then there's this, he went from thinking Azeru was the most town, to thinking Azeru was scumteam with Pav, then that either Azeru or Pav was scum (but not pushing either of them), to possibly both town. I don't follow how his reads developed there at allIn post 757, Zyla wrote:
Honestly, I'm not sure that quite answers my question: atIn post 738, HockeyFan wrote:Yes there is still a possibly of their beingSpoiler:1 scum between them, but I am more confident in STD flipping scum(and being the 2nd mafia) rn so that is why I am pushing it morethatpoint, when you seemed sure that one of them was scum, and you were sure Azeru was town, why didn't you vote for or question Pav?
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You want to put [post]42[/post] tags around the post number, it'll do the linking for you
My main thing with the acknowledgment is that they saw my questions, mentioned them, but seemed to refuse to interact with them until I pushed them on it.In post 853, StrangeMatter wrote:So far from ISOs, I think that Zyla has been generally Town, but I think the first part of 842 didn't sit well with me. I just don't see why that would be considered scummy to acknowledge the question that was designed to have many people answer the question. Maybe its just my thought process when it comes to Town, but I'd like to hear Zyla's logic regarding that post.
If he hadn't interacted with it at all I might not have even thought about it, but the fact that he practically said he refused to answer it rubs me the wrong way.- Zyla
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I think it linked to the 842nd post in the entire forum because of the <post=842> with no end tag on the first part, occasionally unclosed tags in quotes can cause problems like that (carrots don't work in bbcode so this is fine)In post 859, StrangeMatter wrote:
After that first one that I felt was a little weird from, the question raised in 842 about Hockey initially TR STD felt reasonable to me. Even though its early in the game, it doesn't seem strange to point something like this out it. Still, I think I'll put her as a Town lean for right now.In post 855, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
I see. What strikes you as particularly town?In post 853, StrangeMatter wrote:So far from ISOs, I think that Zyla has been generally Town, but I think the first part of 842 didn't sit well with me. I just don't see why that would be considered scummy to acknowledge the question that was designed to have many people answer the question. Maybe its just my thought process when it comes to Town, but I'd like to hear Zyla's logic regarding that post.- Zyla
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If I'm not mistaken, all newbie games require a hammer, time running out is a no-elimIn post 871, cyrus62 wrote:Just throwing this out there to help town. StrangeMatter is at e2 and std is at e3 if this remains even if there's no hammer StrangeMatter still dies - Zyla
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