Newbie 2067 - Pizza! - End!

[cyrus62]

VOTE: azeruitch ant matter train once wrong next top raindrops at cooking kites everybody runs. i like playing scum i also like playing town . i dont like pineapples on my pizza. sorry kid was typing stuff at random didnt have the heart to remove it. also there's my rvs

[cyrus62]

Vanilla Town is the best role because not only do I get to give zero fucks about drawing the nightkill, it's actually good for me to draw it.

StrangeMatter: Why Hockeyfan?

i have never played you but i think as town we should draw the nk it protects the pr so they can help solve stuff for us. but i get what your saying at the same time no pressure to try to focus and you can just have fun.

[cyrus62]

I'm also a bit confused by the Luke and me partners. @HockeyFan, can you explain why do you think Lukewarm would defend me?

what do you mean by partners?

[cyrus62]

lmao 5 pages deep and every ones catching fingers. yes day 1 is super wild.

[cyrus62]

@hockey why the need to defend rvs normally gos till page 10 but you feel like your worried do you have something to hide.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: hockeyfan you real sem to be freaking out. 3 scums? its a 2 scum game for newbie.

[cyrus62]

Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

Please for the love of god announce that

this vote puts HockeyFan at E-1

or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.

[cyrus62]

Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

I really need to ask this, but why did you push HockeyFan earlier? Just wondering.

pressure works wonders you never know one could slip

[cyrus62]

@cyrus62 can you share some reads right now?

reads on 1st 6 pages when we havent even passed one day in rl no i like pressure and to poke and see will it leads me.

[cyrus62]

Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

Please for the love of god announce that

this vote puts HockeyFan at E-1

or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.

This is way too early for anyone to be claiming

you scared if they start ?

[cyrus62]

Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

Please for the love of god announce that

this vote puts HockeyFan at E-1

or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.

This is way too early for anyone to be claiming

you scared if they start ?

Claiming early is bad for us...

saids who? we know theirs only two prs so if scum slip and clime something then the real prs will know and bam caught the scum.

[cyrus62]

Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

Please for the love of god announce that

this vote puts HockeyFan at E-1

or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.

This is way too early for anyone to be claiming

you scared if they start ?

Okay, y'all wanted a read? Antagonism is scummy. VOTE: Cyrus

your new so i'll let it slide however people do that on here.

[cyrus62]

Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

Please for the love of god announce that

this vote puts HockeyFan at E-1

or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.

This is way too early for anyone to be claiming

you scared if they start ?

Claiming early is bad for us...

saids who? we know theirs only two prs so if scum slip and clime something then the real prs will know and bam caught the scum.

And what if the real PRs are outted, then what?

the real prs wouldnt be outed becuse the real ones wil be the ones watching for fakes. you bring people to l1 and tell them to clime before you hammer if you just hammer you learn nothing. the real one would normaly soft if put to l1 to let the players know its a bad idea to vote them.

[cyrus62]

Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

Please for the love of god announce that

this vote puts HockeyFan at E-1

or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.

This is way too early for anyone to be claiming

you scared if they start ?

Claiming early is bad for us...

saids who? we know theirs only two prs so if scum slip and clime something then the real prs will know and bam caught the scum.

I think says you?

i think as town we should draw the nk it protects the pr so they can help solve stuff for us.

If a PR claims a PR role, then the scum team can kill them. If a VT claims VT, then the scum team can avoid killing them, and be more likely to kill a PR

every one will clime vt unless its scum then they aim at pr role but smart scum know this and say vt any way. so yes even if we say clime and the person saids they are pr then chances are they are not.

[cyrus62]

every one will clime vt unless its scum then they aim at pr role but smart scum know this and say vt any way. so yes even if we say clime and the person saids they are pr then chances are they are not.

Why are you arguing that that anyone should be claiming less then 24 hours into Day 1?

What is the benefit?

your learn the truth soon trust me one day your think the same . right now i could just be messing with your head to see what all i can get out of you so far . luckwarms reaction makes me think they are town so i wont vote them.

[cyrus62]

every one will clime vt unless its scum then they aim at pr role but smart scum know this and say vt any way. so yes even if we say clime and the person saids they are pr then chances are they are not.

I do not even begin to comprehend this logic. Basically you're saying everybody will/should claim VT?

And this is an argument for forcing claims?

your right 1 town point for you.

[cyrus62]

every one will clime vt unless its scum then they aim at pr role but smart scum know this and say vt any way. so yes even if we say clime and the person saids they are pr then chances are they are not.

Why are you arguing that that anyone should be claiming less then 24 hours into Day 1?

What is the benefit?

your learn the truth soon trust me one day your think the same . right now i could just be messing with your head to see what all i can get out of you so far . luckwarms reaction makes me think they are town so i wont vote them.

So this was a reaction test?

yep

[cyrus62]

Really didn’t expect these kinds of ideas coming up. We can agree they aren’t really all that helpful. Roles should just be left anonymous until absolutely necessary.

crumbs its always good to leave some . somehow if you are pr so you can prove it in day2 or 3

[cyrus62]

crumbs aren't always good to leave because scum hunt for them

they can be helpful but beware

this is a town post.

[cyrus62]

this is a wacky discussion

im trying to get more pages some how that way i can see whos . who

[cyrus62]

@HockeyFan what’s your opinion of the game so far?

Idk what u mean by "opinion". You asking for my reads or just my general opinion of the game?

Opinion of the game so far.

Okay well its been a pretty fun game, everyone has been chill, and there have been some productive comments/reads which I have been able to make reads of. I didnt think cyrus's "reaction test" was needed and it was a waste of time, but I'm still leaning null on him

oh are you trying to shad . i think i found some town with that reaction test . makeing it easyer for me to short

[cyrus62]

@HockeyFan what’s your opinion of the game so far?

Idk what u mean by "opinion". You asking for my reads or just my general opinion of the game?

Opinion of the game so far.

Okay well its been a pretty fun game, everyone has been chill, and there have been some productive comments/reads which I have been able to make reads of. I didnt think cyrus's "reaction test" was needed and it was a waste of time, but I'm still leaning null on him

oh are you trying to shad . i think i found some town with that reaction test . makeing it easyer for me to short

No, I'm not trying to shade you, while u may have found some town from that reaction test, most of the posts were NAI. If this is your way of scumreading, then thats fine but It was not smth I do/was expecting.

i have to change the way i play. every game other wise people use meta.

[cyrus62]

He didnt? I was getting the assumption by him pushing me by pressuring me about the fact that I SR him and Strange. and fwiw, A. I said a bit of and thats not even the main content of my post

So far I have TR on you early, and then been engaging with you logic. I think that your logic has been.. not great, but I am not really sure if that is from you being scum or just because this is your first game on site. I have mainly been pushing back on it, because I was hoping you would see that the logic was faulty, and look over the game with fresh eyes. But I think that the more I have pushed on it, the more you have tunneled on it which... also not great

My town lean on you is weaker at this point then it was early, but your early stuff really did ping me as town

I get what you mean by "look over the game with fresh eyes" but I think i have done that somewhat? I said the pair of Luke/Strange probs doesnt exist anymore and even gave town points to Strange and started SR'ing Zyra in the last few posts. Im not sure on my SR on STD anymore as they havent posted alot, but I think their scuminess has gone down a bit. To Re-Iterate, I do not think I am tunneling that bad and have made new reads as the game progresses

your new you will get better i used do the same.

[cyrus62]

Spoiler: snip

At this point I think he’s not even being serious.

Do u think hes not being serious as town or is just deliberately wasting towns time as scum?

Not sure, both are completely plausible but his grammar feels absolutely intentionally like that.

kinda like this from Strange more town points for them. Idk maybe Im completely wrong on this scum read which leads me to my next scum read of Zyla. I think Zyla is lazzily pushing me here as scum seeing that Cedricson, and a bit of Luke and crys were already pushing me. I think she was looking for an easy mislim by further pushing/burrying me while also having no other intent than to tunnel me

Luke wasn't even thinking you were scummy though, where are you getting this narrative?

He didnt? I was getting the assumption by him pushing me by pressuring me about the fact that I SR him and Strange. and fwiw, A. I said

a bit of

and thats not even the main content of my post

Pedit:

Okay Cyrus didnt post. Why does that change that your push was meh and based on other ppl pushing me?

I don't have any more response to this. My first post about you had enough information that saying it was only based on other people pushing you just seems insincere.

Okay it may not be

only

, but it was defintely based somewhat on other peoples reads?(may be wrong on this)

Nope, just you

Okay if that is the case, then I rescind some of my SR on u but i think you still may be possible scum because your only read is that I am scum

omg can be a scum tail.

[cyrus62]

pav pins me as scum

[cyrus62]

Maybe cyrus's posting style is a bit, but it is a bit that makes it way harder to sort him.

I did a quick look at his other games, and he did not post this way in them.

i and that is why i change everygame not two games are the same. im like a snowflake

[cyrus62]

pav pins me as scum

I dont like this at all. Pav has made about 1-2 reads and his read on u was pretty genuine and came from a town perspective so what part of their reaction do u think is scum?

they dont post much and it seems they are looking for easy votes trying to get a mis lynch

[cyrus62]

day 1 read may change but as of now hockey and pev are my top scum reads.

[cyrus62]

Maybe cyrus's posting style is a bit, but it is a bit that makes it way harder to sort him.

I did a quick look at his other games, and he did not post this way in them.

i and that is why i change everygame not two games are the same. im like a snowflake

Do you normally change in ways that make you harder to sort in your current game?

cant answer that.

[cyrus62]

pav pins me as scum

I dont like this at all. Pav has made about 1-2 reads and his read on u was pretty genuine and came from a town perspective so what part of their reaction do u think is scum?

they dont post much and it seems they are looking for easy votes trying to get a mis lynch

What "easy" votes are they going for exactly? They have had 2 total votes. Their vote on Luke was a RVS vote and their vote currently on u is not at all an easy vote IMO and they did give some townie reasoning for their vote

why the white knighting

[cyrus62]

Maybe cyrus's posting style is a bit, but it is a bit that makes it way harder to sort him.

I did a quick look at his other games, and he did not post this way in them.

i and that is why i change everygame not two games are the same. im like a snowflake

Do you normally change in ways that make you harder to sort in your current game?

cant answer that.

Well there is a distinct difference between changing your play style to be harder to meta read, and changing your play style to make it harder to read you in game.

But I will say that your last few posts seem to lean less into you bit, even if I don't know if I agree with the takes.

Heres to hoping you will be easier to read with time

for are sake i hope not.

[cyrus62]

pav pins me as scum

I dont like this at all. Pav has made about 1-2 reads and his read on u was pretty genuine and came from a town perspective so what part of their reaction do u think is scum?

I don't know how the hell to read Cyrus actually, he could be scum just flooding the thread with smoke or a VT trying to draw the NK or get lynched

tha is the point i dont want to be to town. people who are to town get nk . people who scum think are easy lynches get though to d2.

[cyrus62]

every one will clime vt unless its scum then they aim at pr role but smart scum know this and say vt any way. so yes even if we say clime and the person saids they are pr then chances are they are not.

Why are you arguing that that anyone should be claiming less then 24 hours into Day 1?

What is the benefit?

your learn the truth soon trust me one day your think the same . right now i could just be messing with your head to see what all i can get out of you so far . luckwarms reaction makes me think they are town so i wont vote them.

So this was a reaction test?

I don't love this question in context. He's insinuating that yeah, he 'could be' messing around just to gauge reactions, but let him get to that point and say it for himself as opposed to handing him the out. To me this feels like the earlier situation quoted below.

Strange Matter is the scummier one right now but STD is very close to being as scummy Strange rn(although as of right now, the read on STD can change a ton based on their next few posts, unlike the Strange SR from me rn)

Can you restate why Strange is scum?

Based off your questions for me, and likely the start that I had early on.

Please do not answer questions that weren't specifically addressed to you. I don't care about what your answer to the question is;

I do care very much that you spoonfed Hockey an answer before he had a chance to answer it for himself.

2017 and still towny? you dont play much do you.

[cyrus62]

You quoted the 2nd part of that to do what ... exactly?

I emboldened the part at the end that was most pertinent. I quoted the second part to draw the direct comparison between the situations, and show the perspective that Luke asking Cyrus if his bit was a reaction test kinda feels like he was just giving him a free out.

By asking someone who's making anti-town statements if their statements were anti-town "as a test", of course they're going to say yes. Without that question it's much harder for them to later go back and say "oh it was a test".

i stated it was a test . just messing with your head to get a reaction in which case luke came off right . pr hunting is anti town if any one was up for it i could have found scum. and so did hockey

[cyrus62]

I do not. You can look at my profile and see this is only my second game on the site in an almost 4 year span.

im adding flavor to the game

[cyrus62]

I'll reiterate and say I get it. I won't deny the other side of it being 'adding flavor to the game' or 'reaction testing' or whatever it may be. It very well could be just that. Regardless of whether or not it is that, I don't vibe with it at all for reasons stated, and my vote will stay where it is for now.

go for it if anything my wagon helps me.

[cyrus62]

oh are you trying to shad . i think i found some town with that reaction test . makeing it easyer for me to short

I actually want to cycle back to this tbh. What TR did that "reaction test" give you?

Lukewarm was very hard set against it . Scum would want
To seem like they were but the way he acted was completely town like

[cyrus62]

crumbs aren't always good to leave because scum hunt for them

they can be helpful but beware

I actually lost my last game because I interpreted a joke as a breadcrumb and made it too obvious that I was PR hunting, so I can definitely see even fake-crumbs as useful when used correctly. Unfortunately, I'm not quite experienced enough to use them correctly, even if that seems like a cop out

I'll reiterate and say I get it. I won't deny the other side of it being 'adding flavor to the game' or 'reaction testing' or whatever it may be. It very well could be just that. Regardless of whether or not it is that, I don't vibe with it at all for reasons stated, and my vote will stay where it is for now.

go for it if anything my wagon helps me.

Considering that this is a newbie game and you are not a Jester, I see no way that that makes sense. How could being seen as scummy be good for you?
Also, do you have an answer to 240?

Can't fully answer this yet

[cyrus62]

Considering that this is a newbie game and you are not a Jester, I see no way that that makes sense. How could being seen as scummy be good for you?

Can't fully answer this yet

Because of ongoing games, or are you waiting until day 2?

day2

[cyrus62]

I nominate that we move on from this discussion with Cyrus about his antics here. His schtick is weird but we all get the point.

Scum or not, getting wrapped around the axle this way is not pro-village

I 2nd that

[cyrus62]

I'm on phone right now but Luke and hockey seems town to me so I'm down to 6 to short

[cyrus62]

i am very disappointed in a few here which has me marking them as null

[cyrus62]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80202 here i realy didnt want to do this but here is how i act as scum. you will see a more focus less wild side.

[cyrus62]

wild

i cant answer this right now.

[cyrus62]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80202 here i realy didnt want to do this but here is how i act as scum. you will see a more focus less wild side.

?? Idk why you're using this as a way to "defend yourself"/give Pav a way to read u since u said in posts 205 and 224, "I change my meta every game"

i cant answer this right now.

[cyrus62]

Do you normally change in ways that make you harder to sort in your current game?

cant answer that.

Considering that this is a newbie game and you are not a Jester, I see no way that that makes sense. How could being seen as scummy be good for you?

Can't fully answer this yet

wild

i cant answer this right now.

?? Idk why you're using this as a way to "defend yourself"/give Pav a way to read u since u said in posts 205 and 224, "I change my meta every game"

i cant answer this right now.

Ok so since this seems to be your main answer to questions, how about you just tell us what you can answer?

i can give a hint i am pro town.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: azeruitch ant matter train once wrong next top raindrops at cooking kites everybody runs. i like playing scum i also like playing town . i dont like pineapples on my pizza. sorry kid was typing stuff at random didnt have the heart to remove it. also there's my rvs

the words when used right spell something

[cyrus62]

VOTE: azeruitch ant matter train once wrong next top raindrops at cooking kites everybody runs. i like playing scum i also like playing town . i dont like pineapples on my pizza. sorry kid was typing stuff at random didnt have the heart to remove it. also there's my rvs

the words when used right spell something

Do you normally change in ways that make you harder to sort in your current game?

cant answer that.

Considering that this is a newbie game and you are not a Jester, I see no way that that makes sense. How could being seen as scummy be good for you?

Can't fully answer this yet

wild

i cant answer this right now.

?? Idk why you're using this as a way to "defend yourself"/give Pav a way to read u since u said in posts 205 and 224, "I change my meta every game"

i cant answer this right now.

Ok so since this seems to be your main answer to questions, how about you just tell us what you can answer?

i can give a hint i am pro town.

?? What hint? It seems you are trying to dodge questions by not giving complete answers

like i said when you use the words right it spells something.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: azeruitch ant matter train once wrong next top raindrops at cooking kites everybody runs. i like playing scum i also like playing town . i dont like pineapples on my pizza. sorry kid was typing stuff at random didnt have the heart to remove it. also there's my rvs

the words when used right spell something

iI'm not here to decipher random words and even if I do decipher these words it doesn't make u "pro-town". u have anything else to prove you're being pro town?

yea it does trust me.

[cyrus62]

Unless the moderator says otherwise, I think we need to stop this conversation (Rule Misc3)

its not breaking any rules but stoping it would be pro town

[cyrus62]

Alright, since a topic change is in order, this seems like a good time to post my reads

Towny
Azeru - Honestly, 94 felt towny to me, which is mostly a gut read, but they keep up the towniness through the rest of their posts so I'm letting it stand.
Pav - Extremely scumy vibes from 85 (/joke) Honestly I like 102 as a start, and 268 seems like pretty good analysis to me even if I disagree on some points

Null (Town-Lean)
Luke - He isn't playing any differently than our last game, which he was town, and he hasn't done anything scummy, but I don't want to give him too much credit just from meta (as that's my least favorite way of playing), and while his posts have been good for the town, a lot of them read more as a more experienced player trying to make sure everyone understands the dos and don'ts than anything

particularly

towny.

Null
Haschel - Haschel seems to be an aggressive player, which can be good or bad, but I need a few more posts before I'll have a good read
Dragons - I gotta say, I do

not

like 13. It seems odd to me that an experienced player would even post that, it feels like he's distancing himself from town for some reason. The rest of his iso just doesn't seem to have much substance, no questions asked, no real jumping points for discussions.

Scum Leaning
Strange - Honestly, looking through their Iso, I just see a lot of posts with very little to say. Mostly gut read though

Scum
Hockey - I feel like I've made my case enough here


And then there's Cyrus. Honestly, whether or not he's town, I don't think his play is being very helpful to the town. Overall it seems like the only thing he's doing is confusing everyone

some people do that here i wanting to see who is more for removing some one like me even if i am town or not then the others . scum want a mislynch . town wont be so quick just in case i might be town.

[cyrus62]

What do you think Mafia will do in this current situation.

why worry about it. right now dont worry what they will do . just try to look at whos trying to seem towny the most.

[cyrus62]

Oh yeah the vote counter reminded me

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Why, though?

This: 310

I guess I could've figured that out if I scrolled back a little bit. Have I mentioned posting from a phone is suboptimal?

I don't like leaving my vote in limbo so I'm gonna put it on my top scum read for the moment. VOTE: strange

I smell a distancing ploy between them and Hockey.

I'm starting to feel pev is just looking for any reason to vote any one . However strange has been given me where vibs.so this could be early busing

[cyrus62]

im so hoping i dont die tonight.

[cyrus62]

im so hoping i dont die tonight.

First, Happy Scumday!
But what makes you think that you're going to die tonight?

cant answer till day2

[cyrus62]

inch fast that hat earth right east. in soon after dont only count, shoot ant vest every . match empty.

good luck

[cyrus62]

christ on a stick

what dont tell me you can read code.

[cyrus62]

inch fast that hat earth right east. in soon after dont only count, shoot ant vest every . match empty.

good luck

sigh, you are actually so hard to read because half of the time, idk what you're saying lol

its not ment for everyone to read its a code

[cyrus62]

luke im pretty sure if it was meant for hockey he wouldn't have said he wasn't here to try to read it. idk who is to read it and who anit. if your meant to then go ahead and try.

[cyrus62]

the random shade on everything i post and the white knighting of hockey makes me see Luke and hockey as two scum leans.

[cyrus62]

Pav Null

Another thing here for Pav, I don't think that he is very likely be partners with Strange

tell me the two you think the most if your right we can go for one and have the pr check the other. if your wrong your be in hot water .

so how sure are you on strange?
\
and if you had a pr role who would you check.

[cyrus62]

So now that I am done with my isos, I think I am at

Strange>Azeru>>Pav=STD=Herchel>Hockey>Zyla

And Cyrus is frustratingly off the table for the day

what can you not put leans or nulls . i dont read>> = to well

[cyrus62]

on my 1st scum game i went off on someone for putting a pr to l1 and forcing a clime. because i wanted to seem town like.

[cyrus62]

Another thing that stood out to me while doing the iso was this

day 1 read may change but as of now hockey and pev are my top scum reads.

I'm on phone right now but Luke and hockey seems town to me so I'm down to 6 to short

@Cyrus, so is hockey one of your top scum reads, or is he one of your 2 top town reads? That is a big swing for him to have in like 1 page of the thread. Why were you scum reading him as of post 227? What changed his read so hard by 262?

Cyrus you never answered this, and now apparently me and hockey have swapped from your strongest trs to your strongest scum reads, can you talk about Hockey moving from 1 of your strongest scum read in 227 -> 1 of you strongest town reads in 262 -> 1 of your stongest scum reads in 355

i gave you both a benefit of the doubt due to my reaction test. but after seeing how hockey reacted to my message i bumped him down. then you backed him up like defending him. as you are now.

[cyrus62]

fyi i like ff8 .

[cyrus62]

Pav Null

Another thing here for Pav, I don't think that he is very likely be partners with Strange

tell me the two you think the most if your right we can go for one and have the pr check the other. if your wrong your be in hot water .

so how sure are you on strange?
\
and if you had a pr role who would you check.

I have to be right with my first guess at scum, or I am in hot water? That seems a little bs.

Not super sure on Strange, but they are my strongest scum lean at the moment, but it is also Day 1, you can only be so sure.

Right now I am leaning strange and/or Azeru for scum, but currently liking my vote on Strange more because I think they would give us more associative information atm.

then i will sheep you on strange . hot water 9 players . 8 after day 1 7 after day 2 starts if we get it wrong 5 . you see how one wrong read can toss the game

[cyrus62]

luke you seem to be going after people on hockeys wagon why is this?

[cyrus62]

luke you seem to be going after people on hockeys wagon why is this?

what? This isn't even remotely true

Hockey's wagon rn is "My strongest Town Read" "Someone who I don't think anyone should vote today" and "The person I am currently voting"

oh realy?

[cyrus62]

Hey cyrus, you mention ppl have thrown shade at u this game but here u are, throwing shade at Luke which is a big?? Its almost as if you know Strange is town and that is why you are A. sheeping him so you can on d2 say "omg Luke is in hotwater, he got a read wrong, lets powercondemm him". so like I dont like this at all

more white knighting . do you two always defend your early town reads on day 1.

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Vote Count 1-7

In 16th Century Naples, the term "pizza" came into being. It referred to galatte, a flatbread, with stuffings or toppings. It was a street food and was considered a dish for poor people.

HockeyFan

(3): StrangeMatter, Zyla, cyrus62

StrangeMatter

(2): Lukewarm, Pavowski

Save The Dragons

(1): HockeyFan

Haschel Cedricson

(1): Save The Dragons

Not Voting

(2): Azeru, Haschel Cedricson

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: June 20, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-06-19 21:00:00)

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so either luke and hockey are scum together and trying to put the mislynch on me or one of the two pocketed the other i dont like the way they are defending each other so hard. reminds me of the longest newbi game . icon was so sure insomnia was town that they almost cost us that game. why because they were basically joined at the hip so much so we thought they were both scum. if not for the jail keep we would have lost. whose on hockey me zyla and strange . he would vote me but he wants to vote strange 2 of the three on the wagon. he also wants it to seem like hes making reads . 7 days to go only 15 pages why so stung already.

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Vote Count 1-7

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HockeyFan

(3): StrangeMatter, Zyla, cyrus62

StrangeMatter

(2): Lukewarm, Pavowski

Save The Dragons

(1): HockeyFan

Haschel Cedricson

(1): Save The Dragons

Not Voting

(2): Azeru, Haschel Cedricson

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: June 20, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-06-19 21:00:00)

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so either luke and hockey are scum together and trying to put the mislynch on me or one of the two pocketed the other i dont like the way they are defending each other so hard. reminds me of the longest newbi game . icon was so sure insomnia was town that they almost cost us that game. why because they were basically joined at the hip so much so we thought they were both scum. if not for the jail keep we would have lost. whose on hockey me zyla and strange . he would vote me but he wants to vote strange 2 of the three on the wagon. he also wants it to seem like hes making reads . 7 days to go only 15 pages why so stung already.

Yea I want to vote u and Strange. I do realize 7 days are left in this day but as said in 220, I like to make a lot of reads quickly. Am I supposed to ignore your inherently scummy posts? Also, the fact that u think me tring luke is gonna "cost" us the game is comical. u said yourself that there are 7 days in day 1 so why are u so sure "us defending each other/pocketing each other" is gonna "cost us the game"?

simply if you only aim at people who aim at you and luke then you anit scum hunting you pretending.

[cyrus62]

try to read my code maybe your quit aiming at me and start hunting.

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im not the 1st town to do that in a game. inch team itch fast under not night yes had open world yet on utter rock east at dont mess every . and sadly if you think thats how you can till scum your going be heart broken in the other games.

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inch fast that hat earth right east. in soon after dont only count, shoot ant vest every . match empty.

good luck

sigh, you are actually so hard to read because half of the time, idk what you're saying lol

its not ment for everyone to read its a code

The more cyrus says stuff like this, and mentions his code unprovoked, the less I believe it.

Like, why bring up the code in the first place if it is real?

Why right this new message, but then be okay with hockeyfan not being able to read it, because if both messages are true, then for all he knows hockeyfan is the exact person he needs to read it?

It is all seeming manipulative / performative at this point

Honestly, I'm surprised that HockeyFan can't read it tbh, but I'm not gonna give them scum points for that or anything
I will ask though, apart from HockeyFan, does everyone know what Cyrus is saying? Because I don't necessarily believe it, but it seems like he's refusing to answer any questions, so if the information is already out there I'd like to make it

known

that it's out there. (And if over 50% of us have figured it out, then chances are at least one of the mafia has, and if one of them know, both of them do)

ok smart one what does it say.

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luke you seem to be going after people on hockeys wagon why is this?

what? This isn't even remotely true

Hockey's wagon rn is "My strongest Town Read" "Someone who I don't think anyone should vote today" and "The person I am currently voting"

did i mis read this.

[cyrus62]

never roled pr before so i changed how i play

[cyrus62]

yes im town tracker was going use the code if any one else climed it.

[cyrus62]

here i thought i was being sneaky. i guise better crumb next time to which i will point to.

[cyrus62]

so now that thats out of the way now lets see who was pushing me the most.

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not everyone veers every read. go on, not now all. get in very easily yesterday on under under pain. not everyone veers every read! go on, not now all. lose everything to yesterday on under. don't over worry now.

going to spend hours trying to figer out what this mean . but from what i see we either have doctor of friendly which std may be either

[cyrus62]

so we need to find one scum and pick the right person to track for a towwn win in day 2

[cyrus62]

@luke, do you see the same issue I do with cyrus' 414?

Prs don't know each other and there is only a few places a tt can fit . Doc or friendly

[cyrus62]

oh and jail keep . So it works like this if the jail keep locks me up no tracking or if they lock up scum I also get no read.

[cyrus62]

@luke, do you see the same issue I do with cyrus' 414?

why the shade why in the world would i clime tt and put a target on my back for scum. if it wasn't true then the prs would have called me out from the get go.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: zyla for pushing me even though they knew i was pr.

[cyrus62]

I see we're still on Cyrus's messiness for some reason. Folks, there are better things to focus your mental energies on. He wants the thread full of smoke for some reason, and whether you think he's town or think he's scum, you're letting him run the game by engaging with the smoke. I will again recommend that we move on for now.

I've been driving all day, but I'll dive into some more reads this evening now that I'm back at home. (And back on a computer I can actually post properly from.)

Also @Luke, the bit about Zyla being town this time after mafia in last game was a joke, of course. RNG can never be trusted, unless you're trusting it to be untrustworthy. I keep forgetting sarcasm has been outlawed in this game

ofc smoke makes the world more fun. btw we just have to find the two most likely scum . have the doc save me. well we track the other . if its a friendly im dead either way. but have the friendly message who they think is town. if they dont reveal it then we know they are scum. if its a jail keep and they lock up who they think is scum after we lynch the 1st . we still win . if we flip town by mistake since im the nk have them lock me up no death and we still have 8.

[cyrus62]

Well, let's not forget that just because he says he's town doesn't mean it's true.

Though for other reasons, I am having a hard time finding scum motivation in his play. It's anti town, but at the same time the reasons I can think of for which he'd make this play as scum are extremely risky, and even if it played out in his best case scenario, are still mostly detrimental to the scum team.

My final thoughts on Cyrus for the day.

The short version: Overall, I think I am comfortable dropping all discussion on Cyrus for the rest of the day. If there is someone out there who can counter claim him, please DO NOT COUNTER CLAIM over this nonsense. He should not be voted today, and the slot should basically resolve itself given some time.

Spoiler: The long version

I have no idea what role cyrus really has right now, because this seems like a terrible play from any point of view. So it is hard to say that this is too bad to be scum, because it is also too bad to be town.

If he really is the tracker, then this is a terrible play. The original crumb was not bad by itself, but since he kept pointing it out over and over again, he ensured that scum say with, and now scum knows where our PR is.

If he is really just a VT, trying to draw the night kill, then this is a terrible play. The original crumb was not bad by itself, but since he kept pointing it out over and over again, he ensure that the real PRs saw it, and risked a PRs counter claiming him

If he is scum, then this is a terrible play. Like it buys him today, but then we are all going to be looking at him tomorrow for his results.

I plan on playing the remainder of Day 1 pretending Cyrus is not in the lobby, because apparently interacting with him does not thing but increase the confusion.

you guys are the ones who seen the crumb and still pushed. this was my 1st time as pr . so i didnt know how to play that card.

[cyrus62]

so no one likes anti heros any more who knew.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: strange

[cyrus62]

Luke pulled a fast one i was warned of a rb scum
Basically if I get no result I was roleblocked the way he said he will wait till d2 so I'm super suspicious of his play . Then there is zyla who knew the code. But still throw sade and the way HockeyFan keeps protecting lukewarm. So could you guy's check them out is there in one acting more towny then the rest .

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as for my play I find it throws scum off more. They normaly try to hide amongst town and look for a easy lynch. When I told Lukewarm I would sheep his vote on strange but if they flip town Lukewarm would look bad HockeyFan felt the need to jump in and defend him saying I was acting as if I knew who was town . However if I was scum I would have just gone with there vote and then blamed Lukewarm when and if strange flipped town

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Omg I am hurting my own head VOTE: HockeyFan

[cyrus62]

mine

Lol page top stealer

[cyrus62]

town
Std

Moving up to town
Pavowski
Strange

Null
The guy with the sea do
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Azure
Zyla

Scum
Lean
HockeyFan
Lukewarm

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VOTE: Haschel Cedricson on but not talking or posting here so maybe some fire will help

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Live and die by this. I'm pretty sure HockeyFan and cedricson are scum together if not them then HockeyFan and lukewarm

[cyrus62]

Vanilla Town is the best role because not only do I get to give zero fucks about drawing the nightkill, it's actually good for me to draw it.

StrangeMatter: Why Hockeyfan?

why were you asking about a rvs vote

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Where is the me and cedricsson pair coming from? I've barely interacted with cedricsson

always check those that don't post much
As for you 1st game here so
Maybe that's pinging me. Word of advice if you play here you dont want to be seen white knighting

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as for Zyla I have to give town points she could have kept the code to herself as scum left lukewarm my self and HockeyFan fighting till end of day 1 and then nk me after getting a mislynch

[cyrus62]

Where is the me and cedricsson pair coming from? I've barely interacted with cedricsson

This could be a scum slip. So I'm noting it for later

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Judging by how neither one of them are responding even though thire both on makes me think I'm right

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When your both in the lobby ... I took a look at sight chat . You both been there for hours

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Day 1: Post #4

HockeyFan don't respond to this but if I got it right after the game repost this and say Cyrus knew.

[cyrus62]

I did by mistake with the mods 1st post . I ment to say . If I was right about . The team after . The game . Let me know.

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Scarey thing about a night kill it reveals alot if you anit careful
The town will wonder why that person was killed
They will look at that person's reads and if said person read town as scum maybe that's could lead to a myslynch
But if the person did pick that right scum it could be game over. So you see a night kill can reveal more about who scum is. That is why the best readings are on night 2

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Damn I mentioned d2

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lol

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yeah i guess that's fair

Honestly, I was expecting to have to wait until IRL tomorrow to have some reads either direction, but I guess I got a strong one early.

With that being said, I will vote Zyla for stealing my question

VOTE: Zyla

I find it interesting that you mention my question but don't actually respond to either of them

I mentioned it because I was going to ask the "Do you like pineapple on pizza" question and it seemed completely NAI but I wanted to see a reaction by voting u. I didn't bother to respond to the other one. I do not know why ignoring a RQS post is scum leaning?

are we doing rqs instead of rvs?

i feel confident town will win, how's that?

Already found a confident town, SVD is town

What makes Dragon town from this post? If anything the wording is slightly off for town

ehhh while the wording may be off, I think his original post was towny enough and this read was pretty lackluster anyways so theres no need to pay too much attention to it

Counterwagon this ASAP

What do you mean by this?

There were a few votes on the table(cant exactly remember who), but none of them were on Luke and I thought Luke was scummy so I wanted to counterwagon Luke

Also, speaking about SVD:I did call him town earlier but after seeing post#52 and post#56 idk about that anymore, He was trying to soft defend his possible scum partner so SVD is back to null leaning scum. I also really liked this questioning by Zyla and I feel like scum dont try to push on someone who was already TR'D by 1-2 people.

I'd prefer to do Town reads later, and focus on what we think about possible scum reads/leans right now.

The more I think about this, the less I like it actually

VOTE: StrangeMatter

I'd prefer to do Town reads later, and focus on what we think about possible scum reads/leans right now.

This is the exact opposite of how I approach games lol

I find it easier to find confident town reads early, then I can sort the rest of the players.

Honestly, I was expecting to have to wait until IRL tomorrow to have some reads either direction, but I guess I got a strong one early.

With that being said, I will vote Zyla for stealing my question

VOTE: Zyla

I find it interesting that you mention my question but don't actually respond to either of them

are we doing rqs instead of rvs?

i feel confident town will win, how's that?

Already found a confident town, SVD is town

What makes Dragon town from this post? If anything the wording is slightly off for town

Counterwagon this ASAP

What do you mean by this?

I'd prefer to do Town reads later, and focus on what we think about possible scum reads/leans right now.

i play by gut a lot so sometimes i may not be able to articulate a read very well but it doesn't mean it's not a good read

i think haschel is town for his opening post but i could be wrong. i don't see scum announcing vt like that.

i think you're town because i liked your posts so far especially 46

it usually takes me a few pages for reads to develop but i agree with lukewarm that your progression feels natural wrt lukewarm and zula

i think i like haschel and lukewarm so far for town but again it's pretty early

I don't usually have reads this early, into 3 town reads is an interesting juxtaposition.

Was is giving you a town read on haschel and me?

So why ask it?

Right now it looks like you asked an RQS question to try and gauge alignment and then voted for somebody who hadn't had a chance to interact yet, and then dodged followup questions about it.

To be honest, I had two thoughts come up, and one was that question that meant little for the game, and playing how I would normally do, usually RVS.

So why ask it?

Right now it looks like you asked an RQS question to try and gauge alignment and then voted for somebody who hadn't had a chance to interact yet, and then dodged followup questions about it.

You are saying that your vote on Hockeyfan was RVS, correct?

Correct.

And immediately before that vote, you asked a question about our confidence in winning the game, correct?

Yes. Wasn't really meant for anything in the first place.

i guess it's a natural progression of asking a question and not getting an answer so maybe it's okay

i just think haschel might know give a newbie a little slack when it comes to not answering but maybe now strangematter will answer

I gave some slack, thus the empty quote.

Now let's be proactive.

I think this mindset is super towny. While I dont necessarily Strange is scum(null leaning atm), thats a town mindset from haschel and gets a lean TR from me(Tbf, I am not sure if this is smth he can do as scum)

You are saying that your vote on Hockeyfan was RVS, correct?

Correct.

And immediately before that vote, you asked a question about our confidence in winning the game, correct?

Where is the me and cedricsson pair coming from? I've barely interacted with cedricsson

Bad wording, I meant hes barely posted so he hasnt had a chance to interact much*

he posted alot on page 3 was asking strange alot . Some how it . Feels like you were distancing alot from some one.not sure who . But pav brought this up to I think. . Odd I don't know Pavowski. Aside from this game but we thought the same thing


I will reread the whole game and see if pokes out again

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@Pavowski nothing pokes out at you on pages 3,4 and 5

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Hey save the Dragons
Why were you so upset with the way strange was being questioned so hard o page 3
Do you always defend newbie this way.

@strange,you didn't find it odd how sad was jumping in for you I mean how often do people tell se,s to give newbies some slack when they are voting them. Lukewarm why the need to jump in there . Std how were you so sure you found so many town reads so soon? Zyla you kinda seem odd here too, the way you said wow I can't believe how many reads already i thought I would have till tomorrow in rl . Then the way std basically said the same thing or was that lukewarm?

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In regards to whom? If you've got a theory I need it spelled out a little more ... you quoted a lot of people in 472 and I'm having trouble making sense of it

I will do it better when I'm back at my rp

[cyrus62]

I do not like posting on my phone it fixes everything. Pc not rp .

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Luke pulled a fast one i was warned of a rb scum
Basically if I get no result I was roleblocked the way he said he will wait till d2 so I'm super suspicious of his play

I meant that if you were telling the truth, you were most likely going to die over night, so trying to figure you out today was a waste of energy.

"I was warned of a rb scum" is strangely worded. Who warned you?

just going by my role pm. It doesn't mean there's a roleblock

[cyrus62]

In regards to whom? If you've got a theory I need it spelled out a little more ... you quoted a lot of people in 472 and I'm having trouble making sense of it

Std the way he basically jumps all over haschel then he made it a point he doesn't form reads so soon but was town reading every one on page 3. But later on when asked for reads he started I don't have any just yet.

Then lukewarm jumped in and town reads them to. So HockeyFan felt the need to vote lukewarm. But then removed the vote fairly quickly.

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Spoiler:

Vote: StrangeMatter

i like haschel a little less for the vote

strangematter, i think haschel wants your attention[/quote] why did std for the need for this.

[cyrus62]

i like haschel a little less for the vote

strangematter, i think haschel wants your attention

What part of the vote did you not like?

why did hockey feel the need to ask std why he didnt like the vote? it wasn't on you or even regarding you but because he said he didnt like haschels vote . why though . that poked out.

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Yes?

and then after strange responds . like they needed to be told to respond.

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You are saying that your vote on Hockeyfan was RVS, correct?

why was he worried about the vote on hockey . that seems odd to me. it was rvs.

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i guess it's a natural progression of asking a question and not getting an answer so maybe it's okay

i just think haschel might know give a newbie a little slack when it comes to not answering but maybe now strangematter will answer

then this like realy why the early defend. why it was just page 3

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i guess it's a natural progression of asking a question and not getting an answer so maybe it's okay

i just think haschel might know give a newbie a little slack when it comes to not answering but maybe now strangematter will answer

I gave some slack, thus the empty quote.

Now let's be proactive.

std felt like he was blocking here.

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You are saying that your vote on Hockeyfan was RVS, correct?

Correct.

yeah i guess that's fair

this doesnt feel odd to no one here . std is the se . maybe he was trying to show strange how to play scum. but it gets better

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You are saying that your vote on Hockeyfan was RVS, correct?

Correct.

And immediately before that vote, you asked a question about our confidence in winning the game, correct?

they were trying to short it felt like.

[cyrus62]

i guess it's a natural progression of asking a question and not getting an answer so maybe it's okay

i just think haschel might know give a newbie a little slack when it comes to not answering but maybe now strangematter will answer

I gave some slack, thus the empty quote.

Now let's be proactive.

I think this mindset is super towny. While I dont necessarily Strange is scum(null leaning atm), thats a town mindset from haschel and gets a lean TR from me(Tbf, I am not sure if this is smth he can do as scum)

this kinda feels odd to me to. why making town reads on page 3 the game just started. normally i dont like doing reads till we are 15 to 16 pages in. it kinda felt like hockey was doing a early town read so they could act as if they didnt know they were scum later.

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You are saying that your vote on Hockeyfan was RVS, correct?

Correct.

And immediately before that vote, you asked a question about our confidence in winning the game, correct?

Yes. Wasn't really meant for anything in the first place.

this felt town like i will give them that.

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So why ask it?

Right now it looks like you asked an RQS question to try and gauge alignment and then voted for somebody who hadn't had a chance to interact yet, and then dodged followup questions about it.

yep they were pushing i get it. but i didnt end there.

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it usually takes me a few pages for reads to develop but i agree with lukewarm that your progression feels natural wrt lukewarm and zula

i think i like haschel and lukewarm so far for town but again it's pretty early

I don't usually have reads this early, into 3 town reads is an interesting juxtaposition.

Was is giving you a town read on haschel and me?

see even luke was ping here .

[cyrus62]

Hey save the Dragons
Why were you so upset with the way strange was being questioned so hard o page 3
Do you always defend newbie this way.

@strange,you didn't find it odd how sad was jumping in for you I mean how often do people tell se,s to give newbies some slack when they are voting them. Lukewarm why the need to jump in there . Std how were you so sure you found so many town reads so soon? Zyla you kinda seem odd here too, the way you said wow I can't believe how many reads already i thought I would have till tomorrow in rl . Then the way std basically said the same thing or was that lukewarm?

Hm, rethinking it now, I could see only a few reasons to take some pressure off me. None of them really are seem reasonable outside of the thought that they’re a newbie and need some help. Even then it is weird to me he said it in the first place, and something that almost never happens.

so should we put presure on std for this as it could have been a pocket attempt.

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Cyrus looks to be quoting every single post, in order at this point....
Is it possible to make it to where I see everyone's posts except for cyrus for the time being?

im going some where with this just wait. gee i told every one to reread page three and no one did so i am showing what ping me.

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Speaking of this RVS vote, I think strange and luke actually have some pairing here. When Haschel asked the question "Why Hockeyfan", Luke decided to interject(post 24), and that feels like a very partnery thing to do when he could have just ignored it.

With that being said, i think it is time to vote Luke

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Lukewarm

Counterwagon this ASAP

why did you feel the need to say counter wagon this. then right after look here

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i think haschel is town for his opening post but i could be wrong. i don't see scum announcing vt like that.

i think you're town because i liked your posts so far especially 46

so std was towning haschel . std your a se and havent seen this before?

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Honestly, I was expecting to have to wait until IRL tomorrow to have some reads either direction, but I guess I got a strong one early.

With that being said, I will vote Zyla for stealing my question
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VOTE: Zyl

I find it interesting that you mention my question but don't actually respond to either of them

I mentioned it because I wa/vote]

I find it interesting that you mention my question but don't actually respond to either of them

I mentioned it because I s going to ask the "Do you like pineapple on pizza" question and it seemed completely NAI but I wanted to see a reaction by voting u. I didn't bother to respond to the other one. I do not know why ignoring a RQS post is scum leaning?

are we doing rqs instead of rvs?

i feel confident town will win, how's that?

Already found a confident town, SVD is town

What makes Dragon town from this post? If anything the wording is slightly off for town

ehhh while the wording may be off, I think his original post was towny enough and this read was pretty lackluster anyways so theres no need to pay too much attention to it

Counterwagon this ASAP

What do you mean by this?

There were a few votes on the table(cant exactly remember who), but none of them were on Luke and I thought Luke was scummy so I wanted to counterwagon Luke

Also, speaking about SVD:I did call him town earlier but after seeing post#52 and post#56 idk about that anymore, He was trying to soft defend his possible scum partner so SVD is back to null leaning scum. I also really liked this questioning by Zyla and I feel like scum dont try to push on someone who was already TR'D by 1-2 people.[/quote] so then this is the last of it sorry but i realy wanted to show what was odd to me the way hockey 1st went with hascal and then destince him here and moved on to luke for a bit then setter on strange .

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yes page 3,4 and 5 will slove the game if you lot just take the time to read

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Actually looking back, there hasn't seemed to be much interactions between Pav and Azeru other than 1 read from Pav awkwardly null reading them?

I'm curious, what reads awkward about that read to you?

Its defintly not conclusive but in 268, he goes from Tring back to giving reasons why they're scum just a few words later which is ??? His scum read didnt even have any reasoning on why hes scum fwiw so I have 0 clue why based on that, Pav decides to read Az as neutral but could be just me?

To me that seems fairly normal, he's got some town vibes, but also some scummy vibes, and they cancel out

Eh fair enough, but the progression of the TR -> SR is a bit weird

Just to provide some perspective, my reads are as shallow as they come right now and are likely to stay that way until there's some hard evidence (a NK, a claim that can be reasonably assessed, etc). To quantify them in an arbitrary way, I'd say my reads at the moment are plus or minus a point or two on, say, a hundred-point scale.

In other words, (and I would think this would go without saying, but let's just be clear), an early towny read from last Thursday in no way precludes a scummy read on Sunday, or vice versa. I'll say that for myself, but I'll also say I assume it to be true for most players. You *should* be changing your mind at this point. You *should* be uncertain in your reads. If you think there's a contradiction there -- in light of, again, absolutely no hard evidence at this point -- you're welcome to think it.

this makes since and thats the way i feel. but lukewarm was so sure of his town read on hockey he started pushing people on that wagon.

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and then hockey felt the need to defend and white knight for lukewarm.

[cyrus62]

Hey save the Dragons
Why were you so upset with the way strange was being questioned so hard o page 3
Do you always defend newbie this way.

wasn't upset, i just thought haschel might give the newbie more of a chance to get acclimated

you realize you derailed a push . i have never had any one here hold my hand during a game . and to do so on page 3 .

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std you are still a townread for me but . now i feel the need to see how you have really helped town find scum.

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i thought it was weird that haschel was voting a newbie for not responding because a newbie might not know that they generally need to respond to everything

you havent done hardly anything tthis game . i gave you alot of points for reading the code 1st but then you droped off. i will have to mark you as null now for the time be.

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I am just wondering, what would we get, from voting me right now?

Also, I already knew that I had to respond to everything, but sometimes I don’t answer because I end up focusing on the conversation.

do you always just sit on the side line and wait to jump in this is why your a nul to me.

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std you are still a townread for me but . now i feel the need to see how you have really helped town find scum.

What???

You just quoted like 20 posts build up to "see, STD stepped in to save Strange for no reason" and they are a fucking town read of yours?

What the fuck?

oh so you are paying attention . i said null after that . i think this comes from town so i will see where luke gos d2 . for now my votes off them.

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hockey how sure are you about your vote on std? i may i have to join you there.

[cyrus62]

Yea thats fair enough, we might have different experiences on that topic. From my experience, most mafia like to align very subtly on d1 but that could be a different meta on this site. Sorry if the read came off as "You are mafia with Luke and nothing can change that"

trust your gut.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: std yep i will see where this leads

[cyrus62]

VOTE: zyla for pushing me even though they knew i was pr.

What are you meaning by push here?

I see we're still on Cyrus's messiness for some reason. Folks, there are better things to focus your mental energies on. He wants the thread full of smoke for some reason, and whether you think he's town or think he's scum, you're letting him run the game by engaging with the smoke. I will again recommend that we move on for now.

I've been driving all day, but I'll dive into some more reads this evening now that I'm back at home. (And back on a computer I can actually post properly from.)

Also @Luke, the bit about Zyla being town this time after mafia in last game was a joke, of course. RNG can never be trusted, unless you're trusting it to be untrustworthy. I keep forgetting sarcasm has been outlawed in this game

ofc smoke makes the world more fun. btw we just have to find the two most likely scum . have the doc save me. well we track the other . if its a friendly im dead either way. but have the friendly message who they think is town. if they dont reveal it then we know they are scum. if its a jail keep and they lock up who they think is scum after we lynch the 1st . we still win . if we flip town by mistake since im the nk have them lock me up no death and we still have 8.

smoke doesn't do anything for town

or

make the game enjoyable, it just frustrates and confuses

Where is the me and cedricsson pair coming from? I've barely interacted with cedricsson

This could be a scum slip. So I'm noting it for later

What slip?

i thought it was weird that haschel was voting a newbie for not responding because a newbie might not know that they generally need to respond to everything

you havent done hardly anything tthis game . i gave you alot of points for reading the code 1st but then you droped off. i will have to mark you as null now for the time be.

How does reading an acrostic have to do with town?

for the slip on page 3 they were going back and fouth with std and strange and then latter stated they didnt interact . that felt like a slip. he town read him but didnt interact?

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@ zyla . std was the 1st to try to get everyone off my back . but that could have been a pocket attempt

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Okay well if thats the case azeru/pav probs arent partners but one of them is the 2nd scum

Of the two of them, I am more suspicious of Azeru

VOTE: Azeru

so you dont find std scum like?

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its more likely strange and std now that i think about it. but will stay on std for now . i think my reaction test was a bad idea and im scared theres a power role in out there so we have to be careful on are votes .

[cyrus62]

i so want to trust luke and hockiey . but something just feels off about them. cant put my finger on it.

[cyrus62]

I can't help but get the feeling that Cyrus is trying to bury something that was said last night, given he has post 80+ posts in the last 24 hours. So I looked back at the things I had commented on, and I was talking about my scum read on Azeru before that.

i was showing people what poked out at me my bad. real getting frustrated how this feels more personal then game related .

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Okay well if thats the case azeru/pav probs arent partners but one of them is the 2nd scum

Of the two of them, I am more suspicious of Azeru

VOTE: Azeru

so you dont find std scum like?

You can look to 319 for my thoughts on STD.

But to be quite honest, I am against following you anywhere.

so since then your reads havent changed. forget it . luke is locked scum to me at this point if he wants to go there.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: lukewarm im out will make sure i post every 12 hours but besides that have fun.

[cyrus62]

Scarey thing about a night kill it reveals alot if you anit careful
The town will wonder why that person was killed
They will look at that person's reads and if said person read town as scum maybe that's could lead to a myslynch
But if the person did pick that right scum it could be game over. So you see a night kill can reveal more about who scum is. That is why the best readings are on night 2

@lukewarm this is nai. i was trying to scare scum in to making a mistake . but bury no i did mess up on it though since i put night2 instead of d2

[cyrus62]

Scarey thing about a night kill it reveals alot if you anit careful
The town will wonder why that person was killed
They will look at that person's reads and if said person read town as scum maybe that's could lead to a myslynch
But if the person did pick that right scum it could be game over. So you see a night kill can reveal more about who scum is. That is why the best readings are on night 2

@lukewarm this is nai. i was trying to scare scum in to making a mistake . but bury no i did mess up on it though since i put night2 instead of d2

I am not sure I am following you.

You were posting a lot because you made a mistake there?

Or are you saying, you were posting a lot to try and get the scum team to make a mistake trying to respond to you?

no i was posting alot to air my thoughts . the post it self was ment to scare scum during the night

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To be completely up front with you, the way you were posting was getting me frustrated. I did think that there might be an ulterior motive behind hit, but maybe I let the frustration seep into my posts a bit too much. -- I am really sorry if I crossed a line

since i was on the phone i wasnt able to give my thoughts on the . long post i did . i had asked pav what he thought but . he said he couldn't follow so i broke it down. and then you started.

[cyrus62]

If you had to pick 1 accusation for me to weigh in on, which would it be?

Like, which are you most confident in right now?

Look closely haschel and std

[cyrus62]

ment to say at

[cyrus62]

Wait a minute, I'm on page 19 and somebody quoted the OP. Cyrus is SE? I assumed he was a newbie. He's still not the vote for today but nobody else should be listening to him right now.

that was due to phone error. however what are your thoughts on Hockeyfan.

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right now im wondering how long it takes to read 24 pages. and std hasn't posted much more either. kinda feels like prodoge

[cyrus62]

Vanilla Town is the best role because not only do I get to give zero fucks about drawing the nightkill, it's actually good for me to draw it.

StrangeMatter: Why Hockeyfan?

to every one this isnt a clime its a answer to a question.

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Vanilla Town is the best role because not only do I get to give zero fucks about drawing the nightkill, it's actually good for me to draw it.

StrangeMatter: Why Hockeyfan?

to every one this isnt a clime its a answer to a question.

I'm actually kinda glad that you say that, because that was my thoughts too, it seems like a reasonable response to my question. I just left it alone because I wanted to see where people were going with that and then it seemed too late to bring it up

I'm just swinging at the fences and seeing where it goes. People kept saying they're reading him as town because why would he claim so early if he wasn't but then I looked and he didn't.

[cyrus62]

Just stating this again town tracker is one of the weakest prs. So I thought shaken the game up would make it harder for newbie scum to play. But if there is a se scum it won't affect them as much. So sorry about that mess

[cyrus62]

VOTE: HaschelCedricson maybe some fire will make him talk more.

[cyrus62]

Sigh I really dont know where to go with this game lol. Like my reads are kinda stale at this point and I dont think they're changing anytime but when luke/cyrus are the only ones posting(both of them are null OR slight town for me), i cant really progress my reads

huh I thought lukewarm was your stungrst town read

[cyrus62]

And they say I'm hard to follow. So how do you feel about lukewarm votein them?

[cyrus62]

And they say I'm hard to follow. So how do you feel about lukewarm votein them?

dont like it much tbh, but I think Luke voting Azeru is simply a TvT interaction

Show me how town like you are and vote haschel so we can pressure him in to talking.

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I'm doa right now so the best way I can help town is by pressurering haschel into talking.

[cyrus62]

odd enough im pretty sure we all may be on the same page here.

[cyrus62]

i think intent to hammer might get his attention. but how long before we see him respond?

[cyrus62]

10 hours no responce .

[cyrus62]

Are we seriously still waiting for a response from him?

He could easily say something but I guess not.

i thinking due to hockeys comment he doesn't think its real. that's why i said intent might get him to VOTE: hascaltalk.

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I am just wondering, what would we get, from voting me right now?

What's the point of this question? Specifically when asked now. The only votes you've had on you since post 330 have been Pav and Luke, and they've just been sitting there. Cyrus voted you for a quick stint between 435 and 449, but that was for all of two hours and only 14 posts between them. I just don't get why you're bringing this up now.


As an aside, looking into the above point, I noticed something. Cyrus has made 9 total votes in the game so far, and the only person he has not put a vote on is Pav. A quick history of his votes:

Spoiler:

VOTE: azeru

VOTE: hockeyfan

VOTE: zyla

VOTE: strange

VOTE: HockeyFan

VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

VOTE: std

VOTE: lukewarm

VOTE: HaschelCedricson

And a history of him reading Pav:

Spoiler:

Unvote, Vote HockeyFan

Please for the love of god announce that

this vote puts HockeyFan at E-1

or at lest say l1 and then tell them to clime.

This is way too early for anyone to be claiming

you scared if they start ?

Okay, y'all wanted a read? Antagonism is scummy. VOTE: Cyrus

your new so i'll let it slide however people do that on here.

every one will clime vt unless its scum then they aim at pr role but smart scum know this and say vt any way. so yes even if we say clime and the person saids they are pr then chances are they are not.

I do not even begin to comprehend this logic. Basically you're saying everybody will/should claim VT?

And this is an argument for forcing claims?

your right 1 town point for you.

pav pins me as scum

pav pins me as scum

I dont like this at all. Pav has made about 1-2 reads and his read on u was pretty genuine and came from a town perspective so what part of their reaction do u think is scum?

they dont post much and it seems they are looking for easy votes trying to get a mis lynch

Oh yeah the vote counter reminded me

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Why, though?

This: 310

I guess I could've figured that out if I scrolled back a little bit. Have I mentioned posting from a phone is suboptimal?

I don't like leaving my vote in limbo so I'm gonna put it on my top scum read for the moment. VOTE: strange

I smell a distancing ploy between them and Hockey.

I'm starting to feel pev is just looking for any reason to vote any one . However strange has been given me where vibs.so this could be early busing

town
Std

Moving up to town
Pavowski
Strange

Null
The guy with the sea do
G avatar
Azure
Zyla

Scum
Lean
HockeyFan
Lukewarm

Odd I don't know Pavowski. Aside from this game but we thought the same thing

@Pavowski nothing pokes out at you on pages 3,4 and 5

Now, I am making an active decision to not expend too much energy trying to read Cyrus, but I do find it interesting that with all his vote tossing, alongside the fact that he pinned Pav as scum a few times, his vote never ended up onto Pav. Another part of it I find odd is the shift between Cyrus' 169/189 and his 222/226. Pav made a single post in between all of that (212) that was just shading/distancing from Cyrus. Which, to be fair, comes up in a good number of his posts.

look im tt. if any one wanted to they could have counter claimed or started voting for me saying that. i dont trust my own reads. heck in class during test i would always 2nd guise my self.

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look im tt. if any one wanted to they could have counter claimed or started voting for me saying that. i dont trust my own reads. heck in class during test i would always 2nd guise my self.

You have claimed to be TT, yes.

So far

no one has counter-claimed, yes. That does not 100% mean you

are

town tracker.
You could be a Mafia Goon with a Goon partner and thought "Hey, 66% chance that no one is able to counter if I claim TT, let's give it a shot".
Could be that no PR is willing to out themselves day one.
While it seems most likely that you're town, that doesn't mean that players shouldn't try and read you anyway.

Also, the double vote on HC almost gave me a heart attack before I realized that you already had your vote there and it was still E-1.

thanks you ruined it.

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also . try as you might . try as you may . even my own mother cant read me lol.

[cyrus62]

thanks you ruined it.

What do you expect to gain from someone thinking they're already dead??

it wasn't meant for him but his partner. if said partner thought he was hammered then they may have jumped in and said something.

[cyrus62]

my vote didnt last long on pav because i cant fully read him so i keep going back and fourth from null to scum. but i have noteist others who stick out more.

[cyrus62]

Are we seriously still waiting for a response from him?

He could easily say something but I guess not.

What do you mean by this message?

Can you reword?

I just want them to talk. They just need to be active in this game, but so far haven't. Not talking doesn't help anyone in this game, but it'd be stupid to vote and eliminate them for being silent.

i cant till about strange i feel as if i did the same in my 1st game.

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my vote didnt last long on pav because i cant fully read him so i keep going back and fourth from null to scum. but i have noteist others who stick out more.

Nope, it's not that your vote didn't last long on him. It's that you didn't vote him at all.

what can i say . i honestly didnt realize i hadnt voted him.

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we need the pressure to stay like what the heck. lukewarm you real are a strange one.

[cyrus62]

i smell a mislynch/

[cyrus62]

strange is just learning the ropes newbi scum dont play that way they be hiding more.

[cyrus62]

as of now i dont feel right voting him any more so i will place it else where.UNVOTE:

[cyrus62]

VOTE: strange

[cyrus62]

strange is e-1

[cyrus62]

i feel seeing where lukewarm top scum read flips . you can learn alot about lynches . luke has been pushing him for a bit now.

[cyrus62]

truth be told if strange flips scum i think std is with them.

[cyrus62]

and if lukewarm is scum hockey is with them.

[cyrus62]

Actually

VOTE: strange

Haschel wagon averted with this vote

And? Do you have a point?

I don't actively scum read haschel, I just am mainly concerned by his lurking.

No shade intended. I was just pointing out that Haschel got to e-1 in a hurry and you moving your vote brings us back from that edge.
I actively scum read strange at this point, and if she is trying to egg people into hammering haschel, I don't want to leave it at e-1

Very much do not like the vague shade coming from Pav.

Sorry for blank post. Phone acting up.

No shade intended, I was just pointing out that Haschel had gotten. To e-1 too fast for my tastes, and you moving your vote brought us back from that ledge

as i said always check those that do not post. but seeing how we just learned rl issues i think we should all unvote till other wise.

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and if lukewarm is scum hockey is with them.

I will re-evaluate my read on him d1 but hes not getting condemmed d1, so meh

huh . im doa so dont bother.

[cyrus62]

willing to hammer strange but i want to give haschel some time

so quick why 1st you defended them. then you bus them? your a odd one.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: strange

[cyrus62]

and if lukewarm is scum hockey is with them.

I will re-evaluate my read on him d1 but hes not getting condemmed d1, so meh

you ment d2 right? funny how you act that way.

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and if lukewarm is scum hockey is with them.

I will re-evaluate my read on him d1 but hes not getting condemmed d1, so meh

you ment d2 right? funny how you act that way.

Yes I meant d2, sorry the typo. and also what do u mean "funny how I act that way" ??. Do you really think Luke is the scummiest person atm cause I dont

hmmm and why not you said you moved him to null but here you go defending.

[cyrus62]

i get defending town reads but defending null reads to?

[cyrus62]

not his time

[cyrus62]

dang it mod beat me again.

[cyrus62]

@hockey fair enough i thought you said he was null not to long ago .

[cyrus62]

Going to unvote strange I think scum is on thire wagon. And thats why its taken so long

[cyrus62]

i so wouldnt be surpized if lukewarm and hockeyfan were scum together. but no one seems to want to check them.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: strangematter

you still think its strange.

[cyrus62]

UNVOTE:

[cyrus62]

VOTE: hockey i think he's scum