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Also, for people unfamiliar with Not_Mafia -- this is his entrance in every game -- regardless of alignment.
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Ummm. Zyla ---In post 15, Zyla wrote:
Luke! Vote Marci, she's masonhunting!In post 13, marcistar wrote:
portia and pavowski both start with a p, which makes u teammates try to fight this undeniable logicIn post 11, Pavowski wrote:Since Val and Vote both start with V and linguistic logic will not be denied
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Yeah, thats probably the right way to handle any game that Not_Mafia is alive in.In post 23, alstroemerial wrote:
Me tooIn post 21, Lukewarm wrote:I read that as a scum team accusation
In terms of Not_Mafia, then, maybe should we do the whole intent-to-hammer+claim shebang at E-2 instead of E-1 then...? More like an "intent to E-1"?
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VOTE: Val
Just went and read that post in their first game, and this is not anything like it.
In their other game, they opened up with a scum case, that because it was on page 2 of the thread, was clearly pretty weak. But, they came at it like a scum case none the less. They are trying to catch a lie and talking about word choice being indicative of alignment.
When questioned about their first post they said:
Now compare that to this one, where their first post basically boiled down to "Not_Mafia's name is Not_Mafia" -- what thing of substance did they bring to this game?In post 72, Val89 wrote:My reason for dressing up an RVS vote in the amount of verbiage I did was to make sure there was at least something substantial to discussI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Page 2 Hero Solve [Val89, alstroemerial]I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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If you take post 25, and replace Not_Mafia's name with any other name - would the argument mean anything? No, because your argument relies solely on the name of his account.In post 33, Val89 wrote:It doesn't matter if you think the logic can be reduced to "Not_Mafia's name is Not_Mafia"; I don't agree that's a fair summation of the argument, and tells me you haven't engaged fully with it, by the way
Also, the logic you applied, would that not stand true in literally every Newbie game that Not_Mafia plays?
And if it does apply to every single game he plays in, then clearly it is not actually of any substance.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Are you saying that the townie thing to do in this scenario, is to completely ignore you?In post 33, Val89 wrote:And Lo and behold, it has acheived just that. Look who immeadatlety jumps to Not_Mafia's defense, and with a vote no less. I imagine you noticed in that previous game it was the 'target' of the post who came in and tried to defend as if it were a serious scum case, but hell, I will take their scum partner doing so on their behalf. In fact, it's preferable, given that we now only need to chose who to lim first - Not_Mafia, or Lukewarm.
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I do find it strange that you jumped to the conclusion that I am defending Not Mafia. In what world, would I need to defend Not_Mafia from the post you made?
Does it not make more sense that I am trying to figure you out? I saw you make a post, claim that that post was town indicative for you, and you even linked to a prior game to support it -- so I followed up.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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i am satisfied enough for Page 2 -- you are the most interesting thing that has happened so far this gameIn post 37, Val89 wrote:Does that mean you are satisfied with your vote, Lukewarm?I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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This is interesting. That was the very post that led me to vote for them.In post 34, marcistar wrote:so far i think alstroemerial is a bit townie, (23 is just a town mindset i think.)
They had made 4 posts (at the time, was one of the most posts) -- and none of them were about the game.
-RVS vote
-Explained that RVS vote was because of the alphabet
-Talking about WotM
-Talking about Not_Mafia's voting habits
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Ah yes, why would I ever try to compare how you are engaging with the thread right now, to how you were engaging with the thread of that game during RVS?
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This is probably the scummiest sentence I have read.In post 44, Val89 wrote:I still think since Not_Mafia is at E-2, we should just go ahead and make him the lim for the day rather than piviot to Lukewarm, though. We can deal with him tomorrow.
The idea that any town player would already be ready to decide who should be the Day 1 elim on page 2 baffles me
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And another one of the votes on him comes from someone who has not read the game yet
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You positioning as if Not_Mafia being the day 1 elimination is already a forgone conclusion is odd.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Indeed. My original point was that Val's first post in 2068 had substance -- and they even said later that they purposefully chose to include substance in their RVS vote -- but Val's first post in 2072 does not have that same substance.In post 44, Val89 wrote:
I think you might have misunderstood Lukewarm. I am he will correct me if I am wrong, but he was trying to suggest that I have posted nothing of substance to THIS game thus far, not that I posted nothing of substance in 2068.In post 42, alstroemerial wrote:Val was one of the more substantive posters in 2068I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Possibly -- When I voted them, I mainly wanted to see how they were going to react to me voting them / saying that they had not really engaged with the game at all -- but then I got side tracked with ValIn post 50, marcistar wrote:sure it could describe newbie scum, but it could also describe newbie town just as well. those were p1 posts, i dont think its really weird for posts on p1 to seem that way.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Maybe Val is just strange.
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I saw 42 - do you have any thoughts about this game?I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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From what I can see, the 7for7 is the only one she has used, so I think it is too early to say that -- and now that you have pointed it out, it will likely never be useful to sort her.In post 60, Val89 wrote:By the way, does anyone else have an opinion if Zyla's post counts as a potential Buzzword scumtell?
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I have played 2 games with Zyla so far.In post 65, Val89 wrote:In post 63, Lukewarm wrote:However, I am pretty confident in my ability to have a solid read on her by the end of Day 1 -- I will keep you posted
Interesting. Is that because you've played with her before, and have managed to correctly read her by the end of Day 1 in the past?
In our first game, she was scum, I was suspicious of pretty early in Day 1, then lead her elim Day 2.
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In post 71, Not_Mafia wrote:If I were voting seriously at this point, I'd be voting LukewarmI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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That feature does not work if you are trying to grab a quote within a quoteIn post 77, alstroemerial wrote:ebwop: sorry the quote got butchered, I was trying to do the thing where I highlight just the part I want to quoteI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Hello, hi. I get the feeling that my suspicion on Val have not been understood.
First, I had a RVS-ish vote on their slot:
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But basically, I dropped a "rvs worthy vote" on them to give us something to talk about, and to get their response--- but their response has been highly suspect:
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You said similar things several times throughout our last game together, and we were both townIn post 83, marcistar wrote:so far i've kinda thought luke seemed a bit off (mostly cuz i dont like his points on val98 very much)I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Yes?In post 87, Val89 wrote:I just want clarify because I feel like I must be misunderstanding something here, yourI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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What I am saying is that once you said that you specifically wanted serious discussion, and not "the usual rvs crap" that you were taking part in serious discussions.In post 33, Val89 wrote:the following discussion is of substance, rather than the usuall RVS crap we throw around for a few pages.
Is your current "defense" that despite what you said in 33, you were not actually taking par in "discussions of substance" and I should not be taking anything you say seriously?I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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My intent of 86 was to say that the reason I voted you in post 31 was an rvs worthy reason, and I mostly wanted to see how you would respond to the vote. -- But now I am saying that I your response felt scummy.
I am not sure what quoting more of post 33 changes.
My point is that you claimed to prefer serious discussion, and that your intent with your first post was to spark serious discussion. -- Are you now saying that I am wrong to have started taking you seriously after you said that?
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To be clear:
--I did not take your Not_Mafia case seriously.
--I did take everything you said after post 33 seriously --- Specifically because in that post you said you prefer "discussions of substance"I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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And if you are claiming that you were not being serious when you accused me of defending Not_Mafia in 33, when you acted like I should have meta dived you in 41, and that Not_Mafia should be the Day 1 Elim in post 44----
Why did you say that your post was designed to start a discussion of substance AND that it had "achieved just that"
Is your claim now really that you said the quoted in 33, then none of your posts after it were serious....In post 33, Val89 wrote:the argument itself isn't the substance Im hoping to draw - I hope simply that someone takes it as a serious indication of somebodies alignment - either the person I direct the post at, or myself, and that the following discussion is of substance, rather than the usuall RVS crap we throw around for a few pages.
And Lo and behold, it has acheived just that.
You trying acting as though your statements were ones that should not be taken seriously, it a hard pill to swallow ---
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I'm gonna take a break before I get full tunnely on Val for this. Everyone else feel free to weigh in, even if just to tell me I am actually a big dum-dumI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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In post 50, marcistar wrote:
agree with u luke, this seems pretty weird.In post 44, Val89 wrote:I still think since Not_Mafia is at E-2, we should just go ahead and make him the lim for the day rather than piviot to Lukewarm, though. We can deal with him tomorrow.
Ah yes, as we can all see, I am indeed the only person who took Val seriously.In post 73, alstroemerial wrote:
Even though my play with Val sample size is one (or rather, playing with anyone), this does seem very uncharacteristic.In post 44, Val89 wrote:I still think since Not_Mafia is at E-2, we should just go ahead and make him the lim for the day rather than piviot to Lukewarm, though. We can deal with him tomorrow.
For the people who have actually seen me play scum, would you describe my play as "over-the-top sensitive to any suggestion early game I might be scum" -- and do you think that this looks like my reaction to shade while scum? (I would say I took a very different approach to Hockey scum reading me lol)
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I find it difficult to believe that the argument he made in post 99 was genuine.
For starters, he has now backed off of the Not_Mafia scum read -- So his theory appears to be:
- **Scum!me saw Val make post 25 where he voted for Not_Mafia, who is not my partner -- and in response, I voted Val (for some reason)
**Then, Val accused me of being scum partners with Not_Mafia AND he says that we should elim Not_Mafia first -- and in response, I became defensive and needed to "lay the narrative that he was scum early" (for some reason)
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Also, how can he genuinely be accusingmeof scum readinghimbecausehestarted scum readingme?
When the reality of the situation is thatI voted himin post and thenhe started calling me scumin33
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That is what you felt like responding to there?
You made it clear that you do not currently scum read Not Mafia -- and as such, your theory behind your scum read in 99 makes no sense.In post 99, Val89 wrote:I do not think Not_Mafia is actually scum due to any logic I give in 25, I don't think he should be the lim today, and as such at present I would unvote him if another vote came his way
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Every post from Val just sinks me deeper and deeper into this tunnel.
I'm gonna check out for real this time, and head to bed. If someone thinks that I am wildly off the mark, let me knowI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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For some reason, you seem to think that me saying "Val has backed off off of the Not_Mafia scum read" instead of something like "Val has made is clear that they are not currently scum reading Not_Mafia," somehow invalidates the rest of the point, when... it doesn't.
I read post 33, and that does not seem like a genuine stance for you could believe, because the scum motivation you are presenting is nonsense.
I mean, I can even rephrase without the word choice you appear stuck on, just to show that the thing you honed in on is pointless...
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I find it hard to believe that the stance taken in 99 are genuine, because the scum motivation presented are nonsense
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At this point, I feel like I am drowning the thread. For real this time, I am checking off, and will try not to post again until everyone else has gotten a chance to weigh in
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Hello -- I have slept on it, and reread Val's points. I am just pretty sure Val just is scum here -- But I also am aware that I am not the greatest at convincing people to follow me (I would say that the Newbie game against Zyla and T3 was the exception, not the rule) -- So I accept defeat on trying to convince anyone over the prior discussion, and will simply keep an eye on them.
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After playing like 4-ish games with Not_Mafia, I am against a Day 1 Not_Mafia elim, and generally suspicious of people who lean into eliming him Day 1 -- he is an easy miselim target / angle for the scum team to push. Plus, I have also found him to be a pretty good scum hunter, and would like to see any pushes that he leans into before I personally try to sort him.
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If you want to hunt for what I am refering to, go ahead, but I am not trying to sway you, or anyone else to take that into consideration in their attempts to sort me or to sort Marci.In post 112, Portia wrote:
Im lazy - will you actually quote them saying the similar thing? Without hard proof, this would be quite effective manipilation.In post 88, Lukewarm wrote:
You said similar things several times throughout our last game together, and we were both townIn post 83, marcistar wrote:so far i've kinda thought luke seemed a bit off (mostly cuz i dont like his points on val98 very much)
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This is not an accurate description of my thoughts.In post 115, Val89 wrote:I haven't seen a reason to move it just yet. While Lukewarm appears to have taken my post 99 as saying "I read Lukewarm as scum", I'm not all the way there yet.
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The more you say this, the more I hate it. You put out a bunch of content, and now seem aghast that we would try to sort you based off of that content.In post 116, Val89 wrote:Did you really take that to mean I was making legimitiate pre-flip associations?
If you were not being serious in the first, however many posts you are claiming you were not being serious, then even if you are town, then you were being-anti town.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Dear lord-- I am not enjoying interacting with you.In post 131, Val89 wrote:
I have to say if you are "pretty sure" you have scum in your sights, but you decide up front you won't be able to convince other people of the fact, perhaps your argument isn't as strong as you think it is. You don't think it's worth pushing your "pretty sure" scumread until you've sorted all the other slots? I would say if you are sure, at least giving your best attempt to pushing that slot all the way to the flip today is the way to play towards the town victory, no?In post 127, Lukewarm wrote:I am just pretty sure Val just is scum here -- But I also am aware that I am not the greatest at convincing people to follow me (I would say that the Newbie game against Zyla and T3 was the exception, not the rule) -- So I accept defeat on trying to convince anyone over the prior discussion
Yes, I think you are scum
Yes, I think that it is more beneficial for me to sort the other slots instead of just pushing head long into an elim on you, and cutting the day short
Yes, I am choosing to put aside my scum read on you while I do that sorting
Also, I plan on circling back to you, and currently plan on coming back to pushing you when we get closer to the end of the day -- after I have given myself time to look at the other players and have more content from you -- unless something of import happens between now and the end of the day.
I have got 9 days to try and sort other people, before I have to put forth the effort needed to rally the up the votes against you. In what world, would it be better for me to do the opposite?I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Ignoring Val for approximately 3 days -- will return to that slot before the day's endI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Strange. I see now that it is in the mod notes, but he does not have his account in V/LA. I actually did check that before I voted lol
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Marci! Come talk to me!I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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This is literally why I am trying to get you to talk to me.In post 145, marcistar wrote:133 for saying that you're gonna focus on other people than val98, you really arent doing that sis
other than umulat, who else would u wanna focus on at this point?
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In that game, Zyla openly mentioned Masons multiple times, across multiple days. Digging into someone possibly having tmi is not quite the same thing imoIn post 147, Zyla wrote:
Lmao, no that's because I literally said "That joke sounded more like you were claiming Mason" (not exact words) to someone.In post 143, Val89 wrote:I am starting to feel a little bit like I am being asked if I am a Mason with NM. I can start to understand where you get your reputation for that sort of thing from.
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Zyla, this is a strange stance to take.In post 121, Zyla wrote:Why not? Sure we shouldn't eliminate him right now, as it's early in the day, but most people seem to agree that they're hard to read and would be an easy mis-elim, which I at least would rather do the most likely miselim on day 1 and let someone else contribute to the thread
You think it is better to just go ahead and shoot the easy mis-elim target, then for us to try and scum hunt?I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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I am leaning more town for Alstro after 73. My biggest concern early on was that they were not engaging with the game, but in that one post he touched on Val, me, and Zyla, and this line seemed pro townIn post 150, marcistar wrote:
im not rlly sure rn, im still trying to figure out my reads >.<In post 146, Lukewarm wrote:Is there anything else this game that you think we should be talking about?
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and portia and pavowski as well, ive noticed u havent rlly mentioned them
In post 73, alstroemerial wrote:My other thought is that I want to keep Not_Mafia around for at least a while because taking him out immediately just because he has a certain... history seems like a recipe for an easy miselim. So I don't love how fast that turned into a wagonI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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This is how I read your original postIn post 152, alstroemerial wrote:
Just so you all are updated, I'm still trying to digest the total interaction, but to clarify what I meant, I thought Val was joking in the original Not_Mafia post, and then got serious once Luke was putting some pressure on. Kidding out of the way, after that, I took 44 seriously, which is why it pinged me as odd. You can take the two paragraphs in that part of 73 as two separate points. First, that Val's post 44 was weird. Second, pointing out that I took 25 as a joke and then consequently wasn't sure how serious to take Luke at first (now I know the answer is serious).In post 101, Val89 wrote:Are you really trying to spin 73 as Alstro having taken me seriously? I can't speak for them, but I have to say it reads pretty clear to me - if they thought you might be "playing along", then they thought there was a joke of some kind to play along with. I'm sure they can weigh in on the issue.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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They are both in a "I need more content from them" categoryIn post 150, marcistar wrote:and portia and pavowski as well, ive noticed u havent rlly mentioned them
From experience, Pavowski is not someone that I can read very well :/
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MarciIn post 159, alstroemerial wrote:I checked around Marci's topics and found a newbie game where town!Marci didn't vote until after post 500...I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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@Portia -- I am reading through your iso, but I cannot find anything where you have taken stances on anyother slots - one way or the other
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This response is... unexpected.In post 166, Portia wrote:Do you see the one w the triangles. Take that and stuff it up you ass.
I guess I did miss a single "rings town" from you, but I was just trying to engage you and get a feel for your reads/thoughts this game
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-- me v "p person" ?In post 168, Portia wrote:I don’t think you v p person is tvt.
I tend to think Marci is fairly Newb town.
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I was hoping you had something that was helping you lean town. Having played against (and almost lost to) scum!Marci, I am still on the fence with herI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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