Newbie 2072: All Guns Blazing!! - Ended

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Not_Mafia]

I read that as a scum team accusation

Me too

In terms of Not_Mafia, then, maybe should we do the whole intent-to-hammer+claim shebang at E-2 instead of E-1 then...? More like an "intent to E-1"?

This is known as "NM-1", but I don't quickhammer in Newbies

[Not_Mafia]

All,

I've played with some of you before, and I'm glad to see all two of you back for more. For those of you don't know me, allow me to introduce myself - my name is Val89, and I'm known for opening my games by posting what appears on it's surface to be a load of crap and can't possibly be alignment indicative, but actually completely deduces the scum team in my first post. If you don't beleive me, allow me to refer you to the game in question. Yes, a sample size of one, but that is 100% of the games I've played that aren't ongoing and thus fair game for discussion. Not bad odds, I am sure you will agree.

So, I have to say my attention has been immeadately drawn by not_mafia: Clearly, if we consider only alignment at this stage, ignoring the possibility of a serious mod error, there are only 2 possiblities: Not Mafia is mafia, or Not Mafia is not mafia.

There are 9 players in the setup, of which 2 are mafia. That makes the probablity of case A, that Not Mafia is Mafia, as 2/9ths; and conversely, case B, that Not Mafia is not mafia as 7/9s.

Let's now consider another Non-Not Mafia player from the list, lets say, for sake of example, Lukewarm. The same possibities apply - either Lukewarm is mafia, or Lukewarm is not mafia. But Lukewarm is not Not Mafia, because that would be against the site rules precluding playing in the same game under two different names, so Lukewarm HAS to mafia. This logic can be applied to any other player you substitue for Lukewarm, with the sole exception of Not Mafia, meaning that 8 out of 9 players in the game would have to be mafia. Clearly, this is a contridiction, and so our initial assumption is wrong.

If you instead consider the alternative posibilities that either Not Mafia is mafia, or that Not Mafia is not not mafia, then we resolve our contridication. While this doesn't give us any clues as to any of the other playerbase, returning to our example, Lukewarm being not mafia is fine, if not mafia is not Not Mafia. Thus, either Not Mafia is mafia, or Not Mafia is not Not Mafia, and since Not Mafia CLEARY IS Not Mafia, then Not Mafia is mafia. Easy

VOTE: Not_Mafia

This logic is impeccable, I surrender

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Not_Mafia]

It doesn't matter if you think the logic can be reduced to "Not_Mafia's name is Not_Mafia"; I don't agree that's a fair summation of the argument, and tells me you haven't engaged fully with it, by the way

If you take post 25, and replace Not_Mafia's name with any other name - would the argument mean anything? No, because your argument relies solely on the name of his account.

Also, the logic you applied, would that not stand true in literally every Newbie game that Not_Mafia plays?

And if it does apply to every single game he plays in, then clearly it is not actually of any substance.

Tbf I'm scum even when I'm town

[Not_Mafia]

Hi, haven't read anything and not going to for a while but

VOTE: Not_Mafia

on general principle.

Why are you voting on policy and refusing to scumhunt and actually play the game?

VOTE: Umlaut

On general principle

[Not_Mafia]

By the way, does anyone else have an opinion if Zyla's post counts as a potential Buzzword scumtell?

The irony

[Not_Mafia]

If I were voting seriously at this point, I'd be voting Lukewarm

[Not_Mafia]

Umlaut has yet to contribute

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Pukewarm

[Not_Mafia]

Why is Zyla getting wagoned?

[Not_Mafia]

I have scared people off from trying to sort either me or Val

Sounds like a good outcome for scum-you

[Not_Mafia]

I would also say that 436 seems somewhat out of character - like the way he approached it.

Why?

[Not_Mafia]

Interesting

[Not_Mafia]

Not_Mafia -- can you link me to like your two most recent scum games?

I forget every game the instant it ends

[Not_Mafia]

Interesting

This post keeps coming back to me.

I feel like this is a strange response to our conversation, but I am struggling to sort from it.

Like, I feel like it is a strange response coming from both alignments, so I am not sure what to do with it.

Interesting

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: The Ogre

[Not_Mafia]

Not_Mafia, do you only post when you have been mentioned by name?

Maybe

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town, you can take my word for it

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: shrek

VOTE: Shrek

[Not_Mafia]

ebwop pavowski actually looks a lot better reading back on his iso specifically because he seems to preserve not mafia for now? like i legitimately dont see a mafia member sticking their neck out for him assuming he is town which is a good thing. that said if nm does flip mafia here it obviously would make pavowski look bad in retrospect and he has to know that. maybe mafia is protecting nm though still intends to lynch him later down the line to get town cred? if that makes any sense at all. i also misremembered it was zyla going for the n_m elim which is a little shady but she's been contributing a lot otherwise.

In my very first game on the site, I as scum stuck my neck out for town!Not_Mafia on Day 1 and instead pushed my scumbuddy as a better elim.

I'm not saying this is necessarily what Pavowski is doing but I felt like I should point it out anyway.

Wow I caught scum in my first post and got eliminated for it

[Not_Mafia]

^This is scum bitter that they're being wagoned over the shitposter

[Not_Mafia]

Shrek got something out of NM so he's got that going for him

This could be scum

[Not_Mafia]

Shrek? More like Shkrum

[Not_Mafia]

Hammer yourself

[Not_Mafia]

He's a Mafia Roleblocker

[Not_Mafia]

Let’s get Lukewarm today

[Not_Mafia]

It’s Lukewarm+Pavowski

[Not_Mafia]

could you make an actual case against him?

No

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town

[Not_Mafia]

his initial vote on Shrek didn't count and he *did* make sure it counted.

Cos

A) Day was ending
B) Mod gave me a final warning

[Not_Mafia]

That's convenient

[Not_Mafia]

I get headaches when I betray the members of my town aswell

[Not_Mafia]

The convenient and easy choice would be jumping on the Not_Mafia wagon, but I am instead choosing to try and figure this game out, but that is making my head hurt

My elimination doesn't need your help. The convenient thing for you to do here is to sew the seeds of suspicion as widely as possible for ELo tomorrow.

[Not_Mafia]

Interestingly NM calls for us to elim Luke today but isn't actually voting him now, either.

So I can hammer him later

[Not_Mafia]

Scum team is Heatstroke and Doggoslope

[Not_Mafia]

Meanwhile the day is ticking away

VOTE: Not_Mafia

The push he wants for Luke is opportunistic and doesn't make sense

This is a very scummy E-1

[Not_Mafia]

I’m a town babysitter

[Not_Mafia]

Meanwhile the day is ticking away

VOTE: Not_Mafia

The push he wants for Luke is opportunistic and doesn't make sense

This is a very scummy E-1

How do you distinguish it from a towny E-1?

I'm ready to hear you out on this but you have to say something.

Opportunistic, he threw shade on me from the word go, the backed down when responded to, now I’m scum again all of a sudden. Terrible read progression

[Not_Mafia]

Lukewarm’s intent isn’t much better

[Not_Mafia]

It’s Heatstroke and Doogoslope

Mark my moo

[Not_Mafia]

Here come the backpedals

[Not_Mafia]

Why are you so fixated on this?

[Not_Mafia]

NM wagon is terrible and probably both scum on him depending on the number of votes.

Scum is Lukewarm and Pavowski

[Not_Mafia]

Marci vote pavowski

[Not_Mafia]

NM please just claim cop/tracker.

I'm cop/tracker

[Not_Mafia]

I was just acquiescing to your request

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[Not_Mafia]

Y'all lucky this is a newbie

[Not_Mafia]

I'm VT

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: marcistar

[Not_Mafia]

alstromerial? More like alstromiracle

[Not_Mafia]

@NM, why did you think I was scum?

Didn't like your Val push and equity with Pavowski