Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress [Game Over]

[Pavowski]

Hi all, don't worry, I'm here to ensure the win

[Pavowski]

Oh GOD I'm at the keep with Luke

LUKE

IS THIS THE GAME

[Pavowski]

The Wall

Toog

I mentioned before that I like Toog's entrance for town.

His iso feels a little more barren on an iso-read vs a real time read though.

I still think it is +town that he did not engage with me on possibly joining the keep. Obviously scum!toog could not jump in, but me voicing a town lean on him, mentioning him joining the keep, and then me and ari getting into a 1v1 - that would have had to have been an appealing slot for scum!toog, and I would have expected him to at least test the waters on joining, asking about if he should, ect. Instead there was radio silence.

Again, there is not a ton more in his iso... so I would say that I am leaning town here, but not as strongly as I had Ari or Implo.


DArby / Pav (hi Pav )

So, I decided to check if he site wide flaked.

He was force replaced Dec 22, 10 am. He was online posting in another game (that has since ended) on the 22nd, 1 am. So he was here on site, and chose not to pick up his prod :/

But when he was here:
-he tried to throw a random wifom arguement that me and ari could be s/s insta locking into the keep (50).
-Said he would be hard to read, at least I think that is what he was saying (65)
-called me scummy (149)
-a mech post I guess (150)

Obviously there is not much to go on, and I might be biased since his

only

read was that I was scummy, but this does not look good to me.

Pav, if you are town you've got your work cut out for you


numberQ

first three posts all feel like nothing posts

Liked his DArby thoughts in 281

numberQ's stances around mine and tanners 1v1 feel off.

Tanner's a stronger TR for me than Luke. I disagree with this point
{snip}
To me, the evolution of Tanner's thought process here only looks unnatural when it's cherry picked like this.

I don't like that this is phrased in a way that does not actually give a read on me - like he left himself room to say that meant that I was a weaker tr, or that I was a sr. It almost feels like the first line is saying that I am a weaker TR, but then saying it looked like I cherry picked my points seems like it implies I am scummy.

And then in 361

Lukewarm and Tanner are both being very persuasive right now imo. Does anyone else have a take on all this? Because I think there's 1 scum between them, but I keep going back and forth on who it is.

This progression feels weird.

The rest of his iso feels empty. Even when posting, it feels like its just mech talk.

[/u]Reread verdict if there is no swap[/u]
Of these three, I think that DArby and numberQ end up cross voting and Toog decides.

I don't know how one even decides here tho...

I think that the best solution is for this game to always go last, and for toog to force number and pav to weigh in heavily on both other games. The dream being that we win the other two, and this game never needs to be resolved.

But otherwise, the decision will have to come from their associations on the first two games.

I shouldn't speak for DArby too much, but I was in another game with him which was in its final stages when I was contacted to rep into the slot. That's all I can say about it though.

That being said, I'm not worried, my towniness always shines thru, except when it doesn't

So either scum!Luke pulled me over here thinking he can get me mislimmed (entirely likely and my leading theory) or scum!Aristeia figures scummy reads on Darby will be enough to sway Luke.

[Pavowski]

No wait I forgot my minigame is different here, recalibrating

[Pavowski]

Did you read the game over the night phase pav?

Yes but that was a few days ago and y'know, Christmas overeating coma, so I am more or less starting fresh here

[Pavowski]

Was getting ready to ask if you understood the keep mechanics lol

Yeah getting swapped threw me. Ok.

We don't have to get scum here, we just have to find town. This is easy and makes me think even more that Luke is scum, because I know he thinks (knows) he can look townier than me.

Unless he votes me here.

That's an open invitation, Luke

[Pavowski]

Ari is chaotic and you hate chaos. Vote Pav, vote for the future.

[Pavowski]

Luke is my top suspect just given the fact I got swapped.

[Pavowski]

I believe that the best strat for the Keep is to collectively, meaning everyone not just the people in the keep, to chose who we think is most likely to be scum, and then give that player the choice of who they are going to vote between the other two.

So, this mini games will play out one of a few ways:

The scum is given vote power, and we always win.
I am given vote power, and I am trying to read the other two (functionally the same as being the IC in the gate)
The other townie in the keep is given vote power, and I have to town it up. I am at least somewhat confident in my ability to do that.

This is how we are playing the keep

Is this, like, an agreed-upon strat or is it a gentleman's agreement? I'll honor this if it's how the group wants to play it

[Pavowski]

We don't have to get scum here, we just have to find town. This is easy and makes me think even more that Luke is scum, because I know he thinks (knows) he can look townier than me.

?

If you think Luke is scum why wouldn't you just vote for me?

Do you think Luke is bluffing about voting for me to convince you to vote for him?

Top suspect doesn't mean I'm convinced yet. Luke could bluff about just about anything.

[Pavowski]

Yeah getting swapped threw me. Ok.

Did you put much thought into your original game. You, numberq, toog at the wall

I was leaning Q there for scum.

Luke does seem very earnest and honest though

Luke always sounds that way. It's his curse.

[Pavowski]

I'll honor this if it's how the group wants to play it

Do you think there is something wrong with playing it this way? If yes, what?

I have no problem with playing it this way, although I was all prepared to come in and make a bold read and rack a town win in nothing flat.

Of course in 50% of scenarios I screw town over with that move so, yeah, caution is maybe the smarter play, if not as much fun

[Pavowski]

Luke always sounds that way. It's his curse.

can i get a rundown of your experience with luke, please?

Lord.

How much time do you have?

This is like, game #6 or something for us (Luke can tell you because he's the type to track things like that and I'm, uh, not). Of those we've been on opposing teams more often than not, which is statistically interesting if nothing else.

Basically Luke sounds the same as either alignment. Analytical and thorough and he terrifies me as scum because of this.

And also because of this, I never, ever trust him fully until he flips.

If you want more detail I can try but them's my Luke thoughts in a nutshell.

[Pavowski]

This is like, game #6 or something for us (Luke can tell you because he's the type to track things like that and I'm, uh, not)

This is #7 lol

See what I mean?

[Pavowski]

LUKE

IS THIS THE GAME

In answering Tanner's question, I realized that we have already had the game in shakespere lol

Okay, the NEW game will be which of us gets to NK the other first.

Won't be this game, but still!

[Pavowski]

He's here for a good time not a long time.

I'm gonna read the rest of the post in more depth but this made me laugh

[Pavowski]

Tanner although we are worlds apart may I still flirt with you? the two lads in the keep seem more interested in each other :/

This is two times tonight you've made me laugh, and that might be worth a vote

[Pavowski]

Seems sensible. @Luke and @Pav will you commit to taking the same approach?

I have already stated that if consensus is we should do it this way, I am happy to let town direct my vote here (though that's slightly different from what Aristeia is suggesting, which is letting Tanner decide)

I would much rather be able to blame you guys than have to live with the shame myself if you make me vote wrong.

[Pavowski]

Please don't just side with the funniest players. Or I would win every game

This is nothing you have to worry about, I am the only funny player on site so I would only ever side with myself

[Pavowski]

WRT Luke's wall on me:

Spoiler:

I just scanned Pav's iso, and he does not look like he is solving, like at all. So far he has had "I swapped, so Luke scum" and that was basically it. Nothing about anything Ari and I said day 1 or post swap on trying to sort the two of us. But also a weird call for me to vote him and a joke about voting Ari. It does not feel like he is playing to win this game.

And basically nothing on anyone in either other game.

Yeah getting swapped threw me. Ok.

Did you put much thought into your original game. You, numberq, toog at the wall

I was leaning Q there for scum.

This was literally the only read in his whole iso that was not me. And it was that Q is scum, after being asked directly, and it did not come with any reasonings what so ever.

Like, it feels like he has just decided to avoid giving associative all together. Possibly means that q is +town, because would someone who is avoiding giving associatives have their only read of the game be fos'ing their buddy?

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And thinking about the swap dynamics for scum pav.

ScumPav + Scum Implo swap -- does not seem like an smart swap. Implo had a decent chance to win the keep. So I think that that scum team swaps Pav with the scum at the gate, since Tanner already thought that imaginality and Baltar were both scum. Gives Pav the greatest chance of not walking into a completely unwinnable game.

ScumPav , Town implo swap -- This makes some sense. scum toog or Q would have a hard time winning the Keep, and pav would have a hard time winning the wall. So that swap seems like it would be to sacrifice the keep to increase their odds at the wall. Which, I think means that the scum at the gate thinks they have a decent chance or winning the gate if they accepted straight tanking the keep.

This is not a great excuse, but I've replaced into a slot that is pretty widely scumread and lots of people want to leash the vote in this particular minigame. Add to that a family thing today and well, best I can say is ... My bad, and I will try a bit harder tonight/tomorrow.

That said, you (Luke) are SRing me pretty hard. I take it that means you'd rather vote Ari right now?

@ari, same question. If you had to vote right now, would it be me or Luke?

I do need to look more closely at the other minis, but my first thoughts are for this one. Replacing in, my goal is just to not blow this particular mini for town.

Tanner? You asked for my experience with Luke. To put a fine point on it, the case he's making here? This sounds like scum!Luke trying to make sure I don't get a foothold to keep it 1v1 with Ari.

[Pavowski]

I'm not finding nearly as many reads regarding numberQ from other players as I am about implosion. If people from outside our game can give reads there, I appreciate it.

Tanner? You asked for my experience with Luke. To put a fine point on it, the case he's making here? This sounds like scum!Luke trying to make sure I don't get a foothold to keep it 1v1 with Ari.

I don't see why Scum!Luke would alienate you, if you become convinced he is scum, don't you just vote for me and then he loses?

It seems like a lot of effort for not much gain.

Disagree. If he's scum, he has to contend with the possibility that one of us will vote the other. If he can scumlock me, he doesn't have to worry about you voting me. It's one less way for him to lose here.

[Pavowski]

@ari, same question. If you had to vote right now, would it be me or Luke?

If I had to vote now I would pick Luke over you.

Fair. What do you need to hear from me to give me a chance at winning you over?

[Pavowski]

Gonna drop an edible and drop some spicy takes on the proper 1v1 tonight, buckle up

[Pavowski]

Fair. What do you need to hear from me to give me a chance at winning you over?

I mean if you're locking Luke in scum trying to shade you I don't see why it would be me voting you, wouldn't it make more sense for you to vote for me?

See there you go again trying to get me to rush to judgment, this is what keeps me thinking you could be scum here!

I've not locked him in as scum, I'm just leaning that way. Like, heavily, right now, but still. And don't discount the fact that he locked himself into this mini like, way early.

[Pavowski]

I think for the third person in Keep we should make it someone Ari and Luke agree to vote for in advance. If we can lock them in to that plan it pretty much forces scum to swap the third person if they're town. Hence my questions to them to see who they can both agree on as town.

This hasn't happened, obviously, bit this is a big town ping

(I am working from phone so this might be a little messy but walls stress me out)

[Pavowski]

Gonna drop an edible and drop some spicy takes on the proper 1v1 tonight, buckle up

Really embodying your profile pic huh?

Actually did The Dude ever get high in that movie? I don't remember

Oh, multiple times lol

@Q, in the post I quoted there it is difficult to find an angle where he entertains me not being scum fmpov. Then again, anytime Luke comes for me I get my hackles up because I know he can make a case stick as either alignment. So I'll grant it's possible I'm reading too much into it.

We have a weird relationship, lol.

[Pavowski]

I know one of you and Luke are mafia.

I know both of you have embraced the strategy of shading each other while saying you tr me in order to make each other jealous.

I think it's a pretty good strategy given how much you both are familiar with each other.

At this point the dance between the two of you is like a game of chicken.

Two steps forward one step back.

I'm thinking the best ending would be if the scum between the two of you votes for me, and this causes the town player to panic vote the scum.

That would be quite a thrilling conclusion.

Did I say I TR you?

Your scenario at the end there is pretty unlikely, though it would be dramatic. The moment any person in our game votes somebody else, the voted party should immediately self-hammer. To do otherwise would be against wincon regardless of alignment

[Pavowski]

I guess fair enough if you guys have history. Me SRing you now is giving me NEP flashbacks, so I'm definitely second guessing myself that our own history is coloring my read.

I'd press you on that but I repped into the slot I repped into, it is what it is.

[Pavowski]

Of course, you

were

scum in NEP, so maybe I should trust that feeling

Oh yeah, oops

[Pavowski]

I know one of you and Luke are mafia.

I know both of you have embraced the strategy of shading each other while saying you tr me in order to make each other jealous.

I think it's a pretty good strategy given how much you both are familiar with each other.

At this point the dance between the two of you is like a game of chicken.

Two steps forward one step back.

I'm thinking the best ending would be if the scum between the two of you votes for me, and this causes the town player to panic vote the scum.

That would be quite a thrilling conclusion.

Did I say I TR you?

Your scenario at the end there is pretty unlikely, though it would be dramatic. The moment any person in our game votes somebody else, the voted party should immediately self-hammer. To do otherwise would be against wincon regardless of alignment

This is an insight I hadn't considered that kind of gives +town points to Pav. Maybe the self-vote thing was obvious to everyone else and I'm just dumb, but I don't know if scum points this out and in turn makes everyone even more cautious.

I mean, I thought this was pretty self-evident but Ari's post made me think maybe it wasn't? Which is probably +town points there to be fair

[Pavowski]

@Tanner: you not wanting to go with numberQ and DArby makes me slightly suspicious that VP and I are both town and you're scum trying to get in with us so there's one scum among us. You saying DArby should be with VP and me if you're not doesn't do much to dissuade me from that concern.

That said, I kind of like the idea of you going to Gate with us because I think if you are town and get IC'ed you'd be a useful voice. And I think the same of VP and me, whereas DArby if town seems less useful if IC'ed.
For the same reason if VP and I are at the Wall I'd rather DArby is with us than you.

This also pings me as towny. The fact that the 2nd paragraph is exactly what happened kinda gives wifom-y vibes but I said I'd keep my takes spicy so I'll stick with townvibes

[Pavowski]

I wouldn't self-hammer immediately just to get my own thoughts out. I would post to show I'm online and capable of self-hammering to remove any doubts that could linger about being scum and then post everything I'd want to post about the other games first.

The gambit works best if the person being voted is not online as it puts extreme time pressure on the other side.

Self-hammer first, expound later.

Seriously, if you're town and you get the vote for you, delaying only gives scum time to talk the voter out of their vote. And if you're scum and you delay, well that's just... I'll say suboptimal.

As either alignment, the move is to secure the win for your minigame.
Posting that you wouldn't do this kinda sorta reads like trying to score town points for a move that's at best dubious and at worst anti-wincon.

You could be right about the gambit timing but that's a big, big risk to take. Obviously if I get voted I'll self-hammer for the win and if Luke is not thinking the same, then I don't know Jack.

I mean Luke.

[Pavowski]

Imaginality's posts here on D2 seem pretty fair. Going spelunking into VP's iso to contrast and compare

[Pavowski]

I should reiterate (or did I ever iterate this in the first place?) I have zero knowledge of imaginality or VP outside this game, unless there are alts involved

That's not me alt-hunting, I just say it for the sake of saying my reads here are zero-meta while my Luke read is (pretty obviously) heavy meta

(Heavy meta lol *air guitar*)

[Pavowski]

I am not sure if it's been said in thread but I think there is scum equity between VP/Ari. I'm not done reading the VP iso but I feel much more murky on it than I did on imaginality's.

[Pavowski]

Another thing. I think it's a mistake to TR Baltar for the derp slip on the gate. Scum can miss setup details too. It may not be as likely, but it happens.

[Pavowski]

Ooooooook I think I may be reaching the limit of my ability to brain tonight. If it's me I'm voting Baltar as scum in that matchup right now. I had a passing vague SR on Q from skimming the thread which I'll reevaluate soon, and then I'll smoke-test Baltar/Q/Luke vs Baltar/Q/Ari, unless the Q sr changes, in which case, whee.

[Pavowski]

(summoning 100)

[Pavowski]

(summoning 100)

You talking about me?

Yep!

[Pavowski]

Like that's some legit dumb shit to say

Dude. It was a joke.

[Pavowski]

And my apologies, further. I never intend to get people riled up.

[Pavowski]

And my apologies, further. I never intend to get people riled up.

Too late. Mistake was made.

Then I will apologize again and leave this for tonight. My bad.

[Pavowski]

Like that's some legit dumb shit to say

I'm not really presenting a solve because I want to lock it in

I want Pavo/Tooges/Vpb to try harder if they are town.

I was efforting pretty good last night, ngl

Given my posts on Baltar last night do you think we are scum together??

[Pavowski]

Like that's some legit dumb shit to say

Baltar this is why I thought you were upset.

I didn't mean my comment as shade, more just ironically noticing that I was posting about you and suddenly you appeared. It was an amusing coincidence as far as I'm concerned. I had forgotten you were vla.

Anyway this is my third apology for it, I don't know you like that and cracked a joke too early, it's entirely my bad, and I'm going to stop cluttering the thread with it.

Sorry.

[Pavowski]

Uhh I dunno how I got VP quoted in my post to Ari (688). Oops. Phone betraying me again.

[Pavowski]

Oh you replaced Darby. Lol.

This is going to be easy mode

this is more the approach that i think that the scum team would be taking towards pav / compared to numberQ (again, even if I am wrong)

Can you explain your thoughts here a little more?

Luke I'm not a scumlock on you, I just have my usual skepticism for you. You happen to be triggering it by resisting my every move and read here, but that's okay. Don't worry, Ari has some scum points too.

fmpov one of you or Ari is scum. The obvious solution for me is asking people to vote me, as I know that's a 100% win. That's the outcome I'd prefer.

Are you convinced by this? Of course not, you think me asking for votes is scummy. But what's scummier? Asking for votes directly knowing how it'll be perceived or asking for votes by not asking for them?

This game is neat

[Pavowski]

A good time Tanner

[Pavowski]

I think for the third person in Keep we should make it someone Ari and Luke agree to vote for in advance. If we can lock them in to that plan it pretty much forces scum to swap the third person if they're town. Hence my questions to them to see who they can both agree on as town.

This hasn't happened, obviously, bit this is a big town ping

why is that a town ping?

@Tanner: you not wanting to go with numberQ and DArby makes me slightly suspicious that VP and I are both town and you're scum trying to get in with us so there's one scum among us. You saying DArby should be with VP and me if you're not doesn't do much to dissuade me from that concern.

That said, I kind of like the idea of you going to Gate with us because I think if you are town and get IC'ed you'd be a useful voice. And I think the same of VP and me, whereas DArby if town seems less useful if IC'ed.
For the same reason if VP and I are at the Wall I'd rather DArby is with us than you.

This also pings me as towny. The fact that the 2nd paragraph is exactly what happened kinda gives wifom-y vibes but I said I'd keep my takes spicy so I'll stick with townvibes

same question.

I would think that the talk about leashing votes would be something scum would want to steer away from in most cases.

It's also kinda -scum imo for imaginality to say "here's this thing I'd like to have happen" and then it happens (you becoming confirmed). Granted scum can bold-face their way thru something like that but this is how it struck me.

[Pavowski]

@pav - I was not mad and you don't need to apologize for hurting my feelings or something. We're cool.

Also, I had just finished a white knuckled drive for 8 hours on an icy interstate, so I was definitely short tempered about what I thought was opportunistic shading. I apologize too.

Ouch. As the guy who does 95% of the driving on road trips with the fam, you have my sympathies.

[Pavowski]

Okay, got my laptop.

So, I see what you are saying, but it is hard to accept just based on my own reads. Scum Ari would have to be the most suicidal scum player ever, offering to vote you, then offering to vote me, then saying they wanted the vote, and then urging you to tell her who to vote. That last one is probably the strongest reason to think that she is town because you can argue that all the others are just talk. But if you, at any point, tell her that she should vote, that is a hard one to walk back from, so urging you to do that is wild.

So, just being up front, I am approaching this idea looking for the counter argument. Devil's advocate if you will.

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So lets play the game of, if darby were scum, would the scum of baltar/imaginiality suggest darby come to the same location as them.

Keep is locked in me+Ari, both others are open.

So, the options are:
-suggest Darby goes to the keep
-suggest Darby goes to the same location as them
-suggest Darby goes to the opposite location as them.

I don't know that there was ever a good argument to send Darby to the keep at the time, so I kinda want to throw that option away.

Having Scum!Darby go to the same location as them forces a 2-1-0 split. Sending Scum!Darby to the opposite location also forces a 2-1-0 split, unless they think that they can get their other partner into the keep.

So, could Scum!Toog or Scum!numberQ get into the keep, and would they want to? I don't think that scum!numberQ could have gotten themselves into the keep. Scum!Toog probably could have. So, if scum were prioritizing a 1-1-1 split in this scenario, then maybe this points to scum!numberQ.

But I also don't see Toog or numberQ winning the keep. So even if they get one of them there, then I think they end up swappng them out for Darby anyways?

If on the other hand, scum had already accepted a 2-1-0 split, then I don't think they care where DArby goes at that point? He goes to the wall, they swap him with implo to decide the wall, if he goes to the gate, they swap him with implo and make implo the IC.

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So, I think that your point is valid, if the scum team was prioritizing a 1-1-1 split, but falls apart if they had accepted a 2-1-0 split.

It does however even further clear implo I think? If implo is scum, then I think that they must have achieved a 1-1-1 split. I don't think that they would have accidentally achieved that, and if they were aiming for that, then I don't think they would have been out making suggestions that would have taken it away.

So, my conclusion is that them both suggesting DArby could go to either place implies that they accepted a 2-1-0 split and that implo is town.

The problem with this (and I know, you prefaced it with "if DArby scum") is that Darby/I are not scum, and scum locked in the keep early. Since I know this, I go back and look at:

I do want to think about the order people went in for a bit..


Luke[K] -> Ari[K] -> VPB[G] -> Tooge[W] -> NQ[W] -> Imag[G] -> Implo[K] -> Tanner[G] -> Pavo[W]

Scum!Ari grabbing slot #2 on the keep ensures scum doesn't lose immediately on d1, and if I accept Luke's argument about quick-snagging the first slot, this could make perfect sense.

[Pavowski]

So...

I have severe sinusitis and mild pneumonia. I have a couple medications to take for both.

I'm officially requesting replacement in all my commitments.

Ouch. Feel better, panda.

[Pavowski]

Scum!Ari grabbing slot #2 on the keep ensures scum doesn't lose immediately on d1, and if I accept Luke's argument about quick-snagging the first slot, this could make perfect sense.

mhmm

Do you think Luke is out of his scum~range?

Absolutely not

[Pavowski]

Why does scum!Luke bring you into the Keep?

I am often scumread at least a bit just as a baseline (except maybe for Luke himself, lol). Here I'm repping in without early game shenanigans to win me any points, and more than that, I'm repping into a slot generally scumread. I figure he figures I'm less likely to win a vote from you. (If he's scum.)

[Pavowski]

ok but Luke's already fairly strongly townread and I don't think he'd have problems winning keep against someone else either?

Why not just leave you to be easy pickings at the Wall instead?

If anything you are more familiar with Luke's play than anyone else here and you are less likely to be fooled by him into voting for him....

There is also the possibility that Implo is scum, and I (or you) *had* to be moved.

[Pavowski]

ok but Luke's already fairly strongly townread and I don't think he'd have problems winning keep against someone else either?

Why not just leave you to be easy pickings at the Wall instead?

If anything you are more familiar with Luke's play than anyone else here and you are less likely to be fooled by him into voting for him....

There is also the possibility that Implo is scum, and I (or you) *had* to be moved.

I haven't explored this in the depth it deserves yet, I do need to examine that mini closer

[Pavowski]

Ok but even if Implosion is scum, why would Luke switch Implosion out for you instead of Tooges or NumberQ?

Don't you think it's much easier for Luke to convince either Tooges/NumberQ to vote for Luke rather than you just from how much familiarity you two have with each other?

As a bonus it would leave your own limbaity slot in Wall where you are more likely to be mis-limmed...

I wouldn't agree, necessarily. I can be convinced to townread Luke. (As a corollary I'm sure he can be convinced to townread me, though maybe not in this game, lol.)

[Pavowski]

Actually, in that scenario, I could have swapped myself with Pav. left implo to try and win the wall, and then I would have been in a pretty good spot win in a luke v numberq v toog Wall minigame

This is actually a good point. Luke and I have history, but he knows I be posting and talking for better or worse

[Pavowski]

On the final game, I reviewed the ISOs.

I've seen Q be more involved and more vocal, but their interactions seem generally genuine and their willingness to re-evaluate reads gives me slight townvibes. (Earlier scumread was based on skimming and meta comparing the amount of posts, before Luke jumps all up on my junk)
Implo has a couple of posts that give me the creeps regarding Luke early (giving some decent Luke/Implo equity) but sounds reasonably earnest and open, and I think I have to keep leaning towny there
Then there's Toog who .... sounds like Toog.

Toog's not a bad guess for scum there, but it feels too easy. I just don't have a great reason to townread the slot (though I don't have powerful reasons to scumread there, either). But Toog's doing something that nobody else seems to be doing (or at least isn't doing loudly): scumreading Ari at the keep. That seems a bit out there when I'm an easy target for a scumread. Doesn't seem the sort of thing scum's going to go out on a limb to do.
Still, gth, I'd probably vote Toog here absent any other flips.

tl;dr, I have no clue what to make of the wall and basically nothing would surprise me in this one.

There, I think I've done my civic duty and voiced thoughts on all three games.

[Pavowski]

There's so much pointless mech talk in this game.. fucking kill me.

seconded

[Pavowski]

@Luke thoughts on 819?

[Pavowski]

Luke what would you say is your best completed scum game on the site so far? I do want to read it for a comparison.

Probably this one: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=86874

That is the only scum game I have won lol

So I've skimmed this game and a few of your other games and I do feel you are closer to your town!meta than your scum!meta here;

However the example you gave me was imo a weaker performance than your scumplay in popcorn and I feel it's somewhat strange that Pavo didn't call you out for this.

I suspect it might have to do with himself playing much townier / more assertively in popcorn than this game and he felt perhaps it would not be a good example to bring up.

Damn, but you *have* done your homework

That pizza game is probably not good meta on me anymore, I was a fresh-as-fook newbie still and trying to figure out how I even liked to play, but I *did* feel much more burned by Luke in that game than the popcorn one.

Not saying I'm *better* now, but at least I'm comfortable in my own skin in these games now, heh.

[Pavowski]

ok, I got up through page 28, but that's about where today started.

So here is where I am sitting:

I think the scumteam is imaginality, Aristeia, and Toog.

Imaginality:

Posting an absolute shit ton of IIoA since the start of the game. I dare you to try and think of one original direction imaginality has moved this game. Just one. He is the unbuttered white bread of scumhunting.

This is a gem of an example:

- Gate: Well my read is obviously VP is scum. I am happy to go dig through his iso but from your POV I might be scum trying to bias your reads so I'll stick to fairly objective points. And obviously happy to answer any questions/requests.

I'm a bit surprised this game didn't get changed cos I think the choice of you as IC points to VP, so that makes me see the Darby - implosion swap as either a necessary S/T one, or as scum thinking it is a more useful swap than disrupting the Gate.

One other thought I had: if you don't have a clear view on whether the scum in our game is VP or me, it might be useful to see where VP and I differ in our reads on other games and resolve those game(s) first to help you decide between us.

- Wall: I want to re-read before commenting as I didn't have a strong read on either Toogeloo or numberQ D1. I think implosion is town because wouldn't scum implosion just stay put at Keep? So for me, the only scenario implosion is scum is if one of Luke/Ari is also scum.

- Keep: if either of Ari or Luke is scum, by play alone my hunch is still on Ari scum. If either of them is scum they likely brought in Pav mainly to swap out implosion, which implies the scum among them thinks Pav was a better choice to swap in than me/Tanner/numberQ/Toogeloo. The Luke - Pav history might be a point against Luke here?

The alternative scenario of Luke-Ari town and scum dumping the DArby/Pav slot into Keep is also very possible. Weighing against that somewhat: I don't recall anyone trying to angle against implo joining Keep? Rereading that part of the D1 discussion is high on my to do list.

The analysis of the Gate makes no sense. He is hand waving and saying Tanner IC points to me...but never gives a reason.

But the real gem here is when you read his Wall and Keep analysis. What is he really saying here? who is he saying are my scum buddies? There are no solid conclusions....just a lot of words to lull you to sleep.

Aristeia

Ari is also absolutely chock full of IIoA and mech talk. Read her ISO from today. She's not scum hunting. What she is actively doing is trying to pocket Luke. She town reads him for being "genuine and warm". She's been dodgy about reads all game, but I didn't realize she was still doing that until I read up today. She states her solve is VP-Pav-Toog. But I couldn't tell you why she thinks that because she has given no real reasons or even done scumhunting that I can tell. Her ISO is just a steam of buddying people and mech talk that is quite bad. I think I will quote some specifics on this tomorrow if I get some time.

Toogeloo

I can't remember who said it (implosion I think), but Toog's opener post struck me as weirdly put together and complete. Toog just LOLhammered me in a Xylo while barely giving me a chance to speak. They don't strike me as the contemplative type. Whoever it was said it was more likely that scum spent much of the night thinking about the game and how to open the day, as compared to town who had a long night and the holiday. I totally agree with that (admittedly biased because that fits my own town experience.)

I think these three also have interesting interactions. Ari and imaginality are kind of both poking around me and trying to suggest strats for the Keep that put Ari in a position of power.

Toog seems like a bit of a sacrificial lamb at the Wall with Ari scum reading them for unclear reasons...but with NQ posting fairly incomprehensibly, maybe they think Toog has an OK shot of coming out of that game alive?

If I could see my way to agreeing with you on Ari / Toog, I guess I'd be obligated to go with you on yourself, hmm? Hmm.

[Pavowski]

If I could see my way to agreeing with you on Ari / Toog, I guess I'd be obligated to go with you on yourself, hmm? Hmm.

I'm not sure it matters since it is only Tanner making the choice, but sure.

Doesn't matter maybe but wouldn't you consider it bonus points if you changed my mind?

Pav, how confident are you that Luke is scum here?

I'm fooking not =\ that's why I keep talking about my game when my efforts might be better spent on the others.

To put arbitrary numbers on it, I'd call it something like 65% Luke, 35% Ari, but the balance is shifting even in the last few hours. Before returning to the thread tonight it was more like 75/25.

[Pavowski]

I haven't been so much, I've been trying to figure out Luke. If I can sort him, I can sort you.

I also haven't been sure how to approach you because your playstyle is ... weird

[Pavowski]

Pavo, what are you doing to try to sort me?

Also, apropos of nothing, I just realized that your join date is my RL birthday, and that's sort of freaking me out, but that might be the space jam talking

[Pavowski]

Doesn't matter maybe but wouldn't you consider it bonus points if you changed my mind?

Sure, happy to have you but I'm not certain certain you're town either so...

I do think imaginality's read on Darby looked fake af.

Not certain I'm town = not certain I'm scum

I'm making progress!

[Pavowski]

I haven't been so much, I've been trying to figure out Luke. If I can sort him, I can sort you.

I also haven't been sure how to approach you because your playstyle is ... weird

I see.

Well feel free to ask me anything that you think would help

Sure, tell me who is scum on the Wall because I am struggling there

[Pavowski]

I think NQ is out of scumrange and I'm leaning tooges over implo but I'm worried it might be because I almost never townread tooge correctly plus he was sick so I'd like to give the replacement a clean slate.

My one game with Q was a town!Q game so I don't have that frame of reference. Interesting.

Hate it for Toog... I was pleased I was able to townread him correctly in that same Popcorn game with me and Luke. (Course it took until the end.) I was curious if I'd read him rightly again here.

Anyway.

[Pavowski]

I also haven't been sure how to approach you because your playstyle is ... weird

I am curious about this though.

What do you mean when you say weird?

Your ISO here (I have not researched you in other games) feels like 60% pure fluff, 25% casual-sounding questioning, and maybe 10% sharp insight and analysis, but like sharp enough that it convinces me *this* is where you live and the rest is persona

I'm just trying to figure out how to interpret all of that

[Pavowski]

I think the simplest way would be for you to disregard the "fluff" and focus on the substance?

Well, yes, but the fluff is there for a reason

[Pavowski]

because I like flirting with Tanner? It's not exactly a mystery.

k.

[Pavowski]

I guess you could try to read me on the fluff but if you don't feel comfortable with reading for emotion I think it's fairly simple to just ignore it and read me for content and interaction.

That's the thing, I think I'm ... kinda not bad with reading for emotion? But it'd be useful to have a baseline. Anyway, we were talking about why you were weird, and there you have it, one dummy's opinion

[Pavowski]

pav, would you say that your scum performance in to tell the truth is close to your current scum performance? i think i recall you saying that you were still new at that point, but.

Oof, that game. First of all I hate this question (not you asking it but just anytime it gets asked) because there's every reason to lie. I don't think it is, though. That game was either my first or second scum game, and still in my "haven't properly figured out how I want to play" phase, I think. It was also, I think, a really difficult setup for scum.

I like to think I'm a lot more relaxed as either alignment these days, but I dunno. I won't say I'm unique in this regard but I don't think I judge my play well at all (see Luke calling me his top townread in that other newbie game we were both in, where I don't think I played particularly well at all).

[Pavowski]

pav, would you say that your scum performance in to tell the truth is close to your current scum performance? i think i recall you saying that you were still new at that point, but.

Oof, that game. First of all I hate this question (not you asking it but just anytime it gets asked) because there's every reason to lie. I don't think it is, though. That game was either my first or second scum game, and still in my "haven't properly figured out how I want to play" phase, I think. It was also, I think, a really difficult setup for scum.

I like to think I'm a lot more relaxed as either alignment these days, but I dunno. I won't say I'm unique in this regard but I don't think I judge my play well at all (see Luke calling me his top townread in that other newbie game we were both in, where I don't think I played particularly well at all).

I realize I used the word "think" 5 times in like 50 words and it hurts me. What I get for posting before I've properly woken up, lol.

[Pavowski]

I am not sure if it's been said in thread but I think there is scum equity between VP/Ari. I'm not done reading the VP iso but I feel much more murky on it than I did on imaginality's.

what made you think vp/ari have scum equity?

I think maybe I could go to Keep with you, it would be a fun date <3

Where would you like me to go?

if we're playing seriously - i'd want you to go to gate if you're town. i want you to be town, but it's obviously too early to tell.

gosh you can't tell I am town already?

Performative

There were one or two interactions that felt a little off, but specifically it was this call-out, a one-word post from VP that felt out of character to me.

I would say that their back-and-forth last night throws some cold water on that theory. I wouldn't at this point say s/s.

[Pavowski]

I feel surest about Ari being town and Luke has said he thinks Ari's town so if it's entirely my call I'd get Luke to vote Ari.
If we do the 'get the scummiest player to choose who to vote' thing I'd get Pav to choose between the other two.

If I get forced to vote, I'm polling the room and voting with the majority. I am not gonna be responsible for blowing the Keep when I'm really struggling with these two.

You can hold me to this.

[Pavowski]

if i really were to meme this game i'd say that in the keep, y'all should vote Pav, Actually

but the issue is, i do still feel some little bit of being not terribad at reading pav, and right now he's not posted enough Quality to make me think he's townie

Trust your instincts, you handsome devil

[Pavowski]

if i really were to meme this game i'd say that in the keep, y'all should vote Pav, Actually

but the issue is, i do still feel some little bit of being not terribad at reading pav, and right now he's not posted enough Quality to make me think he's townie

I am gonna need a hell of a town case on Pav before this is considered lol

I think if you said that one of us should vote pav that, atm at least, I would hope to get my own vote in voting for Ari before she logged on and got a chance to vote Pav.

What.

In what world does Ari, after you have voted for her, do anything besides self-hammer?

Luke this is weird and vindictive and it will not stand, man

[Pavowski]

Yeet.

[Pavowski]

That's the point?

Rock, paper, scissors, right now, Luke. Loser votes the other.

[Pavowski]

If Tanner tells me and Ari to vote for you, I am pretty sure that Ari will do it, so I feel like I would need to prempt that atm

You know, this reminds me of your tunnel on Val in that game.

It's almost enough to actually convince me you're town, despite being so spectacularly wrong on me.

[Pavowski]

pav, should i be concerned that your response to my "i lowkey want pav voted but he hasn't convinced me he's town" was basically "lol you should do it tho"

Absolutely not. I think you can feel the townvibes coming off me, but you're (rightly) nervous to take the leap.

Consider all the baggage I inherited and how little traction I've gotten in throwing off those scumreads. Am I really going to change anybody's mind at this point? I'm obviously not changing Luke's; he just said he'd vote Ari even if you wanted both of them to vote me. People are locked into their reads on me. It is what it is.

A vote for me wins the keep, and then you get a flipped Luke or Ari scum to sort the rest. This is the way.

Well, it's *a* way. The other ways are 50/50.

[Pavowski]

Anybody want anything from me?

Welcome to the party!

[Pavowski]

haha. I swear my avi makes people think I'm an asshole. So this is good news.

You know, it does kinda, even though I like the avatar and you seem like a good dude. I think it's the cigarette.

Me, I can only blame my behavior and the fact that I am, in fact, an asshole

[Pavowski]

*summoning imaginality*

Ok, I lol'd

[Pavowski]

Pav is there a reason you ignored 1055, and instead just responded to/with a bunch of fluff ?

I feel surest about Ari being town and Luke has said he thinks Ari's town so if it's entirely my call I'd get Luke to vote Ari.
If we do the 'get the scummiest player to choose who to vote' thing I'd get Pav to choose between the other two.

If I get forced to vote, I'm polling the room and voting with the majority. I am not gonna be responsible for blowing the Keep when I'm really struggling with these two.

You can hold me to this.

And, I can see why you might think this would make you seem townie, but this does not ke me feel better about you here. Basically it feels like you are avoiding committing to a read on either one of us :/

I didn't deliberately skip it, I'm just accepting that you have scumlocked me for this game and some arguments sort of lose their luster, with that in mind. What would you like me to say? I didn't say this to "seem townie", just to put down a marker since it seems likely that I will be the one "forced" to vote here. I may not be able to convince people I'm town, but I will at least commit to voting how the group wants me to vote.

[Pavowski]

I find it strange that no one else responded to RH's posts, or to my posts to him. Definitely the most interesting thing that has happened in the last couple pages from my PoV, so seems weird to see it go ignored.

Yeah, his entry is definitely odd.

He's townreading me, for one thing

[Pavowski]

but that is literally the only point in pav's favour here as i am not exactly Impressed by the rest of his stuff so like idk lol

on the other hand, flipping wall first would be nice because it gets the most difficult game out of the way. but like, i have no clue what the info from it would even do

You probably get the most actionable info by flipping Keep first. I think I agree we learn the least from a wall flip.

my issue with the keep is like. i have no fucking clue who is scum there, lol. if i'm going with my brain, i'd want luke voted. but if i'm going with my gut, i'd want pav because goddamn i still really like the "both vp and imaginality wanted pav to be their third" idea

I don't envy you, whoever's scum here is doing a good job. At least you don't have to *actually* vote here.

[Pavowski]

but that is literally the only point in pav's favour here as i am not exactly Impressed by the rest of his stuff so like idk lol

on the other hand, flipping wall first would be nice because it gets the most difficult game out of the way. but like, i have no clue what the info from it would even do

You probably get the most actionable info by flipping Keep first. I think I agree we learn the least from a wall flip.

my issue with the keep is like. i have no fucking clue who is scum there, lol. if i'm going with my brain, i'd want luke voted. but if i'm going with my gut, i'd want pav because goddamn i still really like the "both vp and imaginality wanted pav to be their third" idea

I don't envy you, whoever's scum here is doing a good job. At least you don't have to *actually* vote here.

Come to think of it, I may not have to either, as Luke has expressed he's primed to vote Ari just to pre-empt her voting me? lol.

(Don't vote Ari, Luke. Double definitely don't do it just because you think I'm scum.)

[Pavowski]

I think part of the reason I've been getting so hung up on Aristeia is that her being scum is like, the easiest way for this game to make sense without feeling arrogant. Or more, calling Pav scum just feels too arrogant. But I don't really have any particularly good reason for him to not be scum.

Could you explain more what you mean by this - how scum!Ari simplifies the game?

[Pavowski]

Who wants to tell him

[Pavowski]

They are confirmed SvT in their mini.

[Pavowski]

Okay, this was a lot and I selfishly skimmed it for my name and it came up a lot. Somebody smarter than me please tell me:

Why would scum!RH go out on a limb to TR me as hard as he's done when he knows I'll flip green?

[Pavowski]

I re-read my own question and maybe I'm being stupid or overthinking or both

I mean if scum!RH is bussing scum!Luke to TR me here, that seems like trading a very good scum situation for a very dicey one (sacrificing Luke, who's in a ... not terrible position to win the keep to gain towncred to help scum!RH win the wall, which favors scum anyway).

Am I wrong?

[Pavowski]

I re-read my own question and maybe I'm being stupid or overthinking or both

I mean if scum!RH is bussing scum!Luke to TR me here, that seems like trading a very good scum situation for a very dicey one (sacrificing Luke, who's in a ... not terrible position to win the keep to gain towncred to help scum!RH win the wall, which favors scum anyway).

Am I wrong?

why are you assuming that rh9 thinks he's actually gonna get listened to wrt the keep?

That's a fair question I guess, but since it looks by all accounts like Keep will resolve before Wall, we'll have everybody's associatives on the Keep in pocket when the Wall resolves so ... it'll be out there regardless of whether it impacts Keep

[Pavowski]

you see, if only i could confidently say "both luke and pav are town" then i would have SOME peace of mind that i am not going to be seduced into a loss here but where is pav??? i have higher expectations of town!pav

which may be unfair because if the dude is town he replaced into a very poopy slot but like

*Poof*

I have been summoned. How can I help? Today got kinda busy for me, sorry about that.

[Pavowski]

and pav is like, i have a pet town!pav theory that i cannot justify with anything other than my gut so

My wild Pav theory is that he is town because he felt so bad I called him out that night I got back. He apologized three times when he really didn't need to.

So who is the crazy one here.

This is a bad reason to town read me.

I mean, I'm town, but scum!me would do the same

[Pavowski]

What's your read of Luke right now Pav?

Ahhh fook.

Um

Okay over the past 48 hours I went from like 70/30 on scum!Luke to 60/40 to maybe even 45/55.

I still think from a pure meta perspective yanking me into the keep points to scum!Luke, but just reading Luke in a vacuum here... He sounds townier lately. Like his willingness to vote Ari here is kinda pushing me over the edge to say yeah, he could be town. Of course scum can say anything up until the moment their vote comes...

I go waaaaay back to the beginning of the game and ask myself if scum!Luke jumps into the keep quicklike and I just don't know if he does. Luke is methodical, scum!Luke is doubly so.

Here is where I make my goofball appeal again. Save me deciding. Buck the system, seize the future, win the keep. Vote Pav.

[Pavowski]

I should say also that I'm townier on you too of late VP so maybe my reads, like the seasons, are just shifting the longer this game goes on

[Pavowski]

Somebody said earlier today that we could use a flip in this game to stop us going in circles, and I am very much in circling mode

Maybe even circling the drain mode

[Pavowski]

and that is kind of why i am lowkey terrified of ari being voted atm, like... oof

but i also know attempting to read ari associates post her flip is gonna be an actual headache

you know how yesterday i was shitposting about ari/vp team? bro

you can't figure out how my associatives work because I am town and not associated with anyone.

This is the kind of cheeky thing I would say, Ari, get off my schtick

[Pavowski]

I still think from a pure meta perspective yanking me into the keep points to scum!Luke

what are the meta scumpoints? link me if you've weighed in about that already, it's like 1:30am here

In short.

Luke and I are TvS more often than TvT which means nothing here but it colors our dynamic
Luke has burned the hell out of me as scum before so I never trust him and he knows this.
Luke knows I tend to ping people scummy as a baseline

I'll say too that Luke tends to be a little more ... I dunno, forgiving? ... As town. Like if somebody makes an uncharitable or unjustified read, town!Luke will kind of point it out and argue the point in a "let's figure this out" kind of way. I've seen scum!Luke be more aggressive and dismissive.

[Pavowski]

tanner if you actually can't trust me just tell me and I will vote for who I think is town

if that person is mafia you can blame it on me for having shitty reads

Do it. Tanner is a coward and I want to see a flip today. This game is getting boring and we need some excitement up in here.

Luke knows I tend to ping people scummy as a baseline

Didn't you get slotted before you replaced in? What is this line supposed to mean?

Day 1 ended
I replaced DArby
I was then swapped to the Keep as D2 began

[Pavowski]

And my phone is random quoting extra things again, top shelf

[Pavowski]

Napping diminished migraine. Thank you for your thoughts and prayers

Glad you're feeling better Luke. I'm gonna pull a Marci to settle the question of you.

Are you scum, yes or yes

[Pavowski]

tanner if you actually can't trust me just tell me and I will vote for who I think is town

if that person is mafia you can blame it on me for having shitty reads

To be frank, this suggestion scares me. Ari has suggested that she thinks I am scum with imaginality, so this seems like a recipe to lose the keep x.x

Ari making this offer is +townie for her again for anyone keeping score at home tho

Napping diminished migraine. Thank you for your thoughts and prayers

Glad you're feeling better Luke. I'm gonna pull a Marci to settle the question of you.

Are you scum, yes or yes

Well, I am truly backed into a corner now. You got me

Luke scum, game over

[Pavowski]

OmG again with the quotes

I hang my head in dishonor

[Pavowski]

I want you to know Luke even if you are just saying these things to pocket me I still treasure them very fondly and your posting has made me smile happily countless times so I do appreciate that <3

Back at you I think?

The tale is much sweeter if we are town who found one another though

This outcome is impossible and you know it

At the very least I know it

[Pavowski]

Oh shit are we gonna resolve the keep? Is this happening?

[Pavowski]

Wait don't just do it Ari shit we've taken all this time don't rush it now

[Pavowski]

No

[Pavowski]

LUKE fuckkkkkk

[Pavowski]

I hate this game so much

[Pavowski]

LUKE fuckkkkkk

Jesus Christ. If you were town, you voting me was the way out of this. omg

I THOUGHT YOU WERE SCUM YOU NOTCH

[Pavowski]

luke i'm town

I wouldn't troll you

Omg stop

I am so upset right now lol

[Pavowski]

Pav, please tell me I did the right thing? Please?

Go to hell Luke I hate you I was town

[Pavowski]

I don't bullshit post hammer, I was toooooown

[Pavowski]

I fucking need prism to come flip this for me or I am going to be sick

Odds are low LMAO

Luke. I wouldn't lie to you here, I'm town, Ari's had us

[Pavowski]

Nobody else vote a single damned thing before Ari's scum self flips

[Pavowski]

Omg I have to go outside right now

[Pavowski]

baltar, how the fuck are you so chill right now, what the f

I think Pav is bullshitting.

Bro I seriously went back and checked my damn role PM cuz Ari's over here with this mess

[Pavowski]

LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE

[Pavowski]

Okay. Hear me out. I think that Ari is actually trolling on being scum. 1567 and 1569 give those vibes. Maybe we are okay?

I want to vomit

Stop analyzing dude it's over

[Pavowski]

LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE

If you are town, maybe accept "I repped into a scummy slot, so a townie would be scum reading me here" some time in the future. Thanks!

We are never getting back together.

Like, ever

[Pavowski]

maybe Prism gave Pavo the wrong role pm

Don't do that

Don't give me hope

[Pavowski]

migraine

lowkey giving me a panic attack

my hands are literally shaking right now. omg

I want to vomit

Yes we all love this so much
This has been a fun night. This is a game that I chose to play, no one forces me. I enjoy this game. Right?

[Pavowski]

maybe Prism gave Pavo the wrong role pm

Don't do that

Don't give me hope

how is that even hope? it just means the game is compromised?

I don't think Prism would do that, she's so careful about everything.

Not cool.

[Pavowski]

maybe Prism gave Pavo the wrong role pm

Don't do that

Don't give me hope

how is that even hope? it just means the game is compromised?

I don't think Prism would do that, she's so careful about everything.

Not cool.

Damn it again I didn't mean to quote that

[Pavowski]

Omg I can't. I'll see you all in post. Good luck town.

[Pavowski]

I want to note I purposely threw in the line about deadline to drive Tanner to the warmth and comfort afforded only by a handle of vodka and I am not sorry, I regret nothing.

Absolutely monstrous

[Pavowski]

I loved this game. My only regret is that I missed signing up for it from the start, but you guys filled it so fast!

Kudos to everybody, scum really played fantastically I thought

[Pavowski]

anyway, i am kind of annoyed how fooled i got by lukewarm, but i am feeling kinda glad for figuring out it was rh9 at least >_>

also sorry for losing my shit for like the entire game, i hate being the deciding vote >___>

but gg all, thank you so much for modding prism, the flavour was amazing

You and Ari deserve a weekend on an island together after this

And maybe a few controlled substances

[Pavowski]

but gg all, thank you so much for modding prism, the flavour was amazing

+100

[Pavowski]

Pavowski, did you and Aristeia realise that I was scum?

You know, to be perfectly honest, I just kinda kicked back and relaxed and stopped worrying about it after my game resolved, and I made the mistake of reading a spoiler in the dead thread before the end, so I can't answer this fairly

Up until that point, I was between you and Q

[Pavowski]

Pavowski, did you and Aristeia realise that I was scum?

I will say you played a hell of a game though, like if Tanner had voted the other way, I could totally see scum taking this one

[Pavowski]

On a related note, I thoroughly enjoyed playing this game with everyone even though the mechanics were not my cup of tea. You're all a delight and I hope to play with you all again soon.

I'll just chime in to say I also really enjoyed this player list, I think the dynamics between players made this one of my most enjoyable experiences on site (despite also being one of the most stressful, lol.)

Online mafia makes me feel really stupid and this game made me feel exceptionally stupid. I loved it

[Pavowski]

On a related note, I thoroughly enjoyed playing this game with everyone even though the mechanics were not my cup of tea. You're all a delight and I hope to play with you all again soon.

I'll just chime in to say I also really enjoyed this player list, I think the dynamics between players made this one of my most enjoyable experiences on site (despite also being one of the most stressful, lol.)

Online mafia makes me feel really stupid and this game made me feel exceptionally stupid. I loved it

I think that time when Luke voted for me and we were so confused who the mafia was in the Keep was probably the funniest experience I've had yet <3.

You & Luke are sooooo cute together ~!

That was a rough moment for me

I might have processed it better if I wasn't high at the time, but as it was I was quite thrown

I can't remember if I apologized to you in the dead thread but I was certain you were scum until the flip came, and I believe I said some unkind things lol

As usual, I was a couple steps behind what was actually going on

[Pavowski]

mmm you getting mad at me was really funny!!

I thought that Pavowski's interactions with Luke after you self-hammered was hilarious.

I do too

You know, NOW, several days after the fact, now that we're all older and wiser

[Pavowski]

It was mainly 1588 because it reminded me of 'We Are Never Getting Back Together' by Taylor Swift.

That was deliberate

Sometimes only the immortal words of Tay Swizzy can accurately portray the depths of my soul sickness

[Pavowski]

LUKE fuckkkkkk

Jesus Christ. If you were town, you voting me was the way out of this. omg

I THOUGHT YOU WERE SCUM YOU NOTCH

I also apologize for calling Luke a notch

But I don't apologize for being right!

[Pavowski]

Wait, what does 'a notch' mean?

Seems very british

Oh. So Pavowski was calling Luke, British?

Haha no I have no clue what notch means. Just sounds like something a person from the UK would say.

I don't know what it means either, I just know I was very upset

[Pavowski]

[Pavowski]

I wasn't, my fingers somehow just typed out "notch" on their own for some reason I will never be able to explain, but that's a deep cut on Minecraft lol