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VOTE: ProfessorIn post 55, ProfessorDrapion wrote:In post 54, Menalque wrote:Oh if it’s hectic it’s not so bad
I thought prof was a newbie (prof do you have any pronoun preference?)Shadow Claw
I do, He/Pokemon
Claims he is a pokemon, but he can talk. The first pokemon I think of that can talk, is in fact,A CRIMINAL
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Ohh, and interesting counter theory. Either way, all signs are pointing to the professor. I am happy with my vote.In post 71, Bingle wrote:So I have a spicy tinfoil theory. I think that professor Drapion is not actually a drapion at all and is a robot attempting to pretend to be a drapion for the purposes of making achieving a professorship more impressive. I know, I know, this is all very farfetch’d, but I do have evidence.
Firstly, drapion has been established to evolve at level 40, which as everyone knows is a very rare occurrence in a game of mafia. Usually you have to have several weirdos running conflicting gambits to even get close to level 10 play. I find it very unlikely that someone with no completed games has managed to pull of a high enough level maneuver to evolve.
He COULD be a naturally occurring drapion, as drapion have been encountered in many places. This is exceedingly unlikely on the basis that there have been 0 wild drapion sightings in Central Park. Indeed, there aren’t even any confirmed drapion sightings in the greater New York area. Occams suggests that such a large Pokémon would have been spotted at least once during its migration.
Furthermore, when I began quoting music from Pokémon soundtracks, drapion remained ignorant of the context and didn’t respond to his supposed people’s music. I find this very suspicious.
Thirdly, when preparing to battle Mena, drapion mentioned that his claw was ready. Claw: singular, not plural. As everyone knows, drapion as a species has two claws, four spiked limbs and a scorpion like tail. This lack of biological familiarity with his supposed species is highly suspicious.
Finally, it is common knowledge that very few Pokémon have learned to speak proper English. Among those who have, a predilection towards using their own species name (such as the famous Team Rocket Meowth) is still common. drapion has shown a distinct lack of these behaviors. Clearly, the preponderance of evidence shows: Drapion must be a robot.- Lukewarm
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Mewtwo cannot talk. He can only use telepathy to communicate.In post 92, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I mean technically Mewtwo is the first talking Pokémon and there not exactly a criminal.
I am the Best Pokémon.
Drapion.
Meowth, a criminal member of a mafia-esque organization, on the other hand, he could talk.
So which is it Drapion? Are you claiming to be able to talk, like the pokemon member of the mafia, or are you claiming to have telepathic abilities (heretofore unheard of among the Drapion species)?
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I am actually a little confused how the psychologist role helps us in this set up.
If he can get a "can kill" result on the baby sitter, but gets a "not able to kill" result on the cowardly mafia + any mafia that has already committed a kill, then on day 1 wouldn't a "can kill" result be a 50/50 chance at being the babysitter or mafia. And then starting on Day 2, they will basically be getting "is babysitter" and "is not babysitter" results, right?
That makes me question this advice given by BingleIn post 33, Bingle wrote:Optimal play is for baby to target Allen and Allen to aim for scrum.
We all pseudoclaim a psych inno D2 and maybe later day phases on the basis of how kills pan out.psych claims immediately if has guilty- Lukewarm
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Yeah. I am actually suspicious of Bingle making the suggestion for the psych to automatically out a guilty result. Because imo, that seems more likely to out the sitter then to out mafia.In post 120, Dannflor wrote:Lukewarm, do you have any non-pokemon related thoughts on any players yet?
I think that they know that too, because they were in the Open Setup review of the game that the mod linked to in the first post, and there they talked about the Psych having "a fake inno and a fake guilty on a questionable reliability investigative."
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I have never played a game with Bingle, so I guess I will take your work for it for now. His advice doesn't really come into play until day 2 anyways, so we can talk about it then.In post 134, Almost50 wrote:
I do have to comment on this though:In post 117, Lukewarm wrote:I am actually a little confused how the psychologist role helps us in this set up.
If he can get a "can kill" result on the baby sitter, but gets a "not able to kill" result on the cowardly mafia + any mafia that has already committed a kill, then on day 1 wouldn't a "can kill" result be a 50/50 chance at being the babysitter or mafia. And then starting on Day 2, they will basically be getting "is babysitter" and "is not babysitter" results, right?
That makes me question this advice given by BingleIn post 33, Bingle wrote:Optimal play is for baby to target Allen and Allen to aim for scrum.
We all pseudoclaim a psych inno D2 and maybe later day phases on the basis of how kills pan out.psych claims immediately if has guilty
@Luke:REGARDLESS OF HIS ALIGNMENT; you should always treat Bingle's mech talk as gospel. It is accurate and indeed best play for Town. End of discussion.
Note: The above is not limited to this game. It does apply here but is a general rule of the thumb.- Lukewarm
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Grandpa, I am a bit confused by your logic on me tbh.
Post 79 Im not sure why you are taking it so seriously. I did not have a read whatso ever on ProfessorDrapion at the time, I think it was quite obviously my RVS vote. And I am just curious why you honed in on my RVS in particular. Gypyx rvs'ed professor for saying "first." VFP voted T3 with no reason.In post 156, GrandpaMo wrote: This is a really weird entrance. I think something that should be noticed. They come into the game with a read already done being made on Prof. They vote them and probably make some random meme excuse as mafia.Youvoted VFP for not being able to see the future. I voted Professor because he claimed to be a talking pokemon. I am curious, what made you take my RVS serious compared to all of these others?
And I cannot even follow this logic tbh.In post 156, GrandpaMo wrote:I will further exemplify Lukewarm's scumread on a later post that I have added but basically Bingle gives info against Lukewarm because Lukewarm pushed the narrative of why psych outting in which Almost50 made that post and I gave my reason on why they were scum above btw!! But after that post from Almost50, lukewarm instantly backs down. And it seems like mafia tried to push this narrative where they didn't want psych to out because they could set up a CC later hence why Almost50 tried to signal them to backdown; it would be more of wifom to say it in day chat.
You are saying that I saw advice coming from Bingle, that I think would out both the psych and the sitter to the thread, and then, as scum, I tried to make the case that that was bad for town instead of letting that plan play out to the benefit of the scum team? And then, A50, as my scum partner, told me to drop it in Day Chat, instead using the mafia chat?
This chain of reasoning leaves me very confused.
Your analysis on the interaction between me and Almost50 completely ignores the fact that me and Bingle had a multiple post back and forth leading up to Almost 50 weighing in.
In post 117 I said that I did not like the advice given by bingle. In post 118 bingle said for me to not question him, which I found... odd. So in post 123 I said I was now suspicious of him because of that interaction.
In post 129 Bingle came back and responded to my suspicions, and said that this kind of post was "a tried and true strategy Bingle has used as both town and scum for literally years to a pretty good result." Then A50 responded to the back and forth with post 134 confirming Bingle's claim that he always makes these kinds of posts, and that him doing so is NAI.
So I backed down from my stance. If he does it every game, town or mafia, then it is NAI, so why would I continue to push it?
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As for why I scumlean Professor, it was a combination of a bunch of posts.
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Once I iso'ed him, I saw a lot of evidence that he was just following whatever other people were saying. Jumping on wagons without reason, blindly agreeing with other people when they made posts that I automatically questioned, and harping on someone's rsv vote.
None of them would have stood out individually, but when I iso'ed him there was a bunch of little things that pinged me, and no posts that made me townlean him, so I am happy with that vote for now.- Lukewarm
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Yeah, it feels like you are not actually reading my posts, and are instead trying to make it fit to this idea you already have in your head. Almost50 had almost no influence on me dropping my scumread on Bingle.
This is why I dropped it:
Bingle claimed that he has done the same thing in every game he has played for years. I cannot imagine that this is a lie, because it is something that could easily be disproven by anyone willing to look back over his game history or by anyone who has played games with him in the past. I decided to move bingle back to a null read at this point, because I believed him here that it was NAI.In post 129, Bingle wrote:what is a tried and true strategy Bingle has used as both town and scum for literally years to a pretty good result in a lobby that is at least half full of people who know Bingle pretty well.
Almost50 chiming in was just an extra little nudge that re-accessing the situation as NAI was the right move.- Lukewarm
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Okay, looking over people's isos, I saw this, and realize that I misunderstood Bingle's suggestions. After a re-read, I realize that I simply misunderstood Bingle's instructionsIn post 126, Gypyx wrote:
that's... not his suggestion though?In post 123, Lukewarm wrote:
Yeah. I am actually suspicious of Bingle making the suggestion for the psych to automatically out a guilty result. Because imo, that seems more likely to out the sitter then to out mafia.In post 120, Dannflor wrote:Lukewarm, do you have any non-pokemon related thoughts on any players yet?
I think that they know that too, because they were in the Open Setup review of the game that the mod linked to in the first post, and there they talked about the Psych having "a fake inno and a fake guilty on a questionable reliability investigative."
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Okay, I am done interacting with you over this one comment tbh.In post 243, GrandpaMo wrote:Why are you lying?
I'll say it lay it out one last time before I start hard ignoring this topic: Bingle's claim that he has done it in every game game for years was enough for me to decide that it was NAI. Before I got caught up on the thread, I also read Almost50's post, which further confirmed it should be NAI.
Bingle made a statement, and that statement would be a dumb lie to tell. I mean if it was a lie, it could have be easily disproven by anyone willing to read his backlog (or by any of the people who have obviously played with him before) and therefore I decided to believe it.
Why should I not have believed his claim that he does that every game? If you are trying to say that it is indicative of me being scum, then you need to explain why town!Luke would not have reacted the exact same way.
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Well are there any players that you are currently suspicious of?In post 245, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
1) I joined it due to Gypyx derailing when Bingle was top wagon.In post 197, Lukewarm wrote:As for why I scumlean Professor, it was a combination of a bunch of posts.
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Once I iso'ed him, I saw a lot of evidence that he was just following whatever other people were saying. Jumping on wagons without reason, blindly agreeing with other people when they made posts that I automatically questioned, and harping on someone's rsv vote.
None of them would have stood out individually, but when I iso'ed him there was a bunch of little things that pinged me, and no posts that made me townlean him, so I am happy with that vote for now.
2) Blindly accepting? I’ve seen that kind of thing done before and I personally have no issues with it.
3) Called them out? I was just making a sarcastic response towards their entrance post.
4) Yeah I wanted to see where it leads and and have no issues voting there as I have no reason to TR Gypyx at all, I explained why I Scum Lean them if you want to go back and read it.
5)I just think worse then Dann’s entrance. I also don’t even think Dann’s entrance is even that bad. T3’s isn’t entirely wolfy but it just isn’t a good entrance I feel.
6) When did I ever say I accept it? Let alone blindly. I just didn’t notice it can be looked that way until he pointed it out.
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My current reads are
And then a bunch of people still sitting in Null.
Most of my experience has been in the newbie queue so far, stepping out into the Open queue definitely has a different feel. The fact that half the players so obviously know each other makes it harder to read everyone's interactions.- Lukewarm
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I wouldn't say that they are in order, more like just two groups atm.In post 261, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Like he had time to respond before and after that readslist.
He also hasn’t explained much of his reads (or at least not that I’m aware of)
Like his highest TR according to the sheet is Gypyx...
But I have explained why I scumlean you, and I did not think your response was enough for me to change it. This is why I said that I scumleaned you:
It was a 2 part reason. "a bunch of little things," and no posts that made me town lean you. Yes, you tried to address the little things, and I took your response into consideration, but I still have not seen any townie posts from you, so my read on you stayed the same.In post 197, Lukewarm wrote:when I iso'ed him there was a bunch of little things that pinged me, and no posts that made me townlean him, so I am happy with that vote for now.
I am townleaning gypyx because of his response to the me/bingle interaction. He is the one who made me realize that I had misunderstood bingle, when I feel like scum could have just stayed quiet and let the misunderstanding sit.- Lukewarm
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You scum lean me because your defense was not enough for me to change my read on you?In post 260, ProfessorDrapion wrote:So I take it you don’t want to bother reviewing your read on me or responding to me when I went over your concerns.
Alright.
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Not really. If I were ordering them, it would probably have Grandpa at the top actuallyIn post 267, Menalque wrote:
Are these ordered btw?In post 259, Lukewarm wrote:Gypyx
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Grandpa (I get the feeling he is just misguided town)
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No, I actually have you as my highest townread. Pretty sure you are just misguided and tunneling. But that is something that comes from town more then scum imo.In post 275, GrandpaMo wrote:
As in most scum?In post 271, Lukewarm wrote:
Not really. If I were ordering them, it would probably have Grandpa at the top actuallyIn post 267, Menalque wrote:
Are these ordered btw?In post 259, Lukewarm wrote:Gypyx
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No, I actually have you as my highest townread. Pretty sure you are just misguided and tunneling. But that is something that comes from town more then scum imo.In post 275, GrandpaMo wrote:
As in most scum?In post 271, Lukewarm wrote:
Not really. If I were ordering them, it would probably have Grandpa at the top actuallyIn post 267, Menalque wrote:
Are these ordered btw?In post 259, Lukewarm wrote:Gypyx
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In post 199, Lukewarm wrote:Almost50 had almost no influence on me dropping my scumread on Bingle.
This is why I dropped it:
Bingle claimed that he has done the same thing in every game he has played for years. I cannot imagine that this is a lie, because it is something that could easily be disproven by anyone willing to look back over his game history or by anyone who has played games with him in the past. I decided to move bingle back to a null read at this point, because I believed him here that it was NAI.
Almost50 chiming in was just an extra little nudge that re-accessing the situation as NAI was the right move.
If you think that these two statements are contradictory, and not literally saying the exact same thing, then communication between the two of us has fully broken down.In post 249, Lukewarm wrote:I'll say it lay it out one last time before I start hard ignoring this topic: Bingle's claim that he has done it in every game game for years was enough for me to decide that it was NAI. Before I got caught up on the thread, I also read Almost50's post, which further confirmed it should be NAI.- Lukewarm
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I think you need to re-read my post...In post 279, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
Think your a little confused on your read there buddy.In post 268, Lukewarm wrote:
I wouldn't say that they are in order, more like just two groups atm.In post 261, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Like he had time to respond before and after that readslist.
He also hasn’t explained much of his reads (or at least not that I’m aware of)
Like his highest TR according to the sheet is Gypyx...
But I have explained why I scumlean you, and I did not think your response was enough for me to change it. This is why I said that I scumleaned you:
It was a 2 part reason. "a bunch of little things," and no posts that made meIn post 197, Lukewarm wrote:when I iso'ed him there was a bunch of little things that pinged me, and no posts that made me townlean him, so I am happy with that vote for now.town lean you. Yes, you tried to address the little things, and I took your response into consideration, but I still havenot seen any townie postsfrom you, so my read on you stayed the same.
I am townleaning gypyx because of his response to the me/bingle interaction. He is the one who made me realize that I had misunderstood bingle, when I feel like scum could have just stayed quiet and let the misunderstanding sit.
You scum lean me if I recall not Town lean me, unless you just randomly 180’d you mis put “Town” instead of “Scum” which kinda makes me believe you aren’t entirely genuine about your read towards me.
You don’t believe me to have done anything Townie then keep watching me and I’m sure I’ll reveal my alignment eventually. If we both survive for tomorrow and you have the exact same read on me and nothing has changed, Boi I may have to bring up my 3rd Pokémon Move on you.
Um, If you read my posts I’m pretty sure I clarified my reasons and it shouldn’t have been that hard to catch on to what it was.
I don’t think helping with misunderstandings is AI? Considering A50 pointed out something I didn’t see and while it wasn’t entirely a misunderstanding it’s something I missed. It doesn’t really mean anything in the long run but I did miss it. I’m also pretty sure it was You (or maybe Gypyx) who called me out on it being bad.
I don’t know, if your only reason to TR Gypyx is “helped with misunderstandings” I hope you have more to add to that read of yours down the line.
I said I scum leaded you because of- 1) A bunch of little things that pinged me
2) a lack of "posts that made me town lean you"
I never said I town lean you, I said that I have not seen any posts from you that would make me think you are town. And if I don't have a reason to think you are town, but I do have a bunch of little things that make me think you might be scum, then that leaves me with a scumlean.
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Like, compare the blue to the blue, and the green to the green, and they are saying literally the same thing??????In post 280, Lukewarm wrote:In post 199, Lukewarm wrote:Almost50 had almost no influence on me dropping my scumread on Bingle.
This is why I dropped it:
Bingle claimed that he has done the same thing in every game he has played for years. I cannot imagine that this is a lie, because it is something that could easily be disproven by anyone willing to look back over his game history or by anyone who has played games with him in the past.I decided to move bingle back to a null read at this point, because I believed him here that it was NAI.
Almost50 chiming in was just an extra little nudge that re-accessing the situation as NAI was the right move.
If you think that these two statements are contradictory, and not literally saying the exact same thing, then communication between the two of us has fully broken down.In post 249, Lukewarm wrote:I'll say it lay it out one last time before I start hard ignoring this topic:Bingle's claim that he has done it in every game game for years was enough for me to decide that it was NAI.Before I got caught up on the thread,I also read Almost50's post, which further confirmed it should be NAI.
I read Bingles post, and that was enough for me to realize it was NAIand after thatI read Almost50's post which made me feel better about my decision
That is what happened. "Almost50 had almost no influence on me dropping my scumread on Bingle." Because I decided to drop my scumread on Bingle before I ever read Almost50's post. But then, when I did read it, it made me feel better about the decision I had already made. That is exactly how my thought process on Bingle evolved as I read the thread, and I feel like I have been saying the exact same thing over and over again.
Grandpa, this is the strangest game of semantics got 'cha I have ever been a part of. You are tunneling pretty hard on this. All I can say is that it seems like you are wildly misunderstanding me, and then digging your heels in over it. Please take a step back, and try reading through the situation again. If you still end up with a scumread on me over it, then more power to you.- Lukewarm
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I am scumleaning T3 for two reasons.
Firstly, just look over his iso. His posts are spread out, meaning he is semi-regularly checking in on the thread, but his posts hardly interact with the thread at all. Like he is averaging 9 words a post, he is not responding to other people posts and he is not supplying any logic behind any of his reads. This is his longest post to date
Sitting on page 10 of the thread, and that is the most content he has been able to bring to the table.In post 236, T3 wrote:I honestly can't shake my soul scumread on pooky.... I don't know what's different but he somehow feels off...
The second reason was post 258. Not because he voted me (currently Grandpa is voting me, and he has a townread, you are voting me and I still have you as null, so the vote is not the determining factor). But because the reason he states seems to be jumping onto Grandpa's push. I feel like Grandpa's read on me is misguided town (that has since turned into tunneling), and T3 jumped onto a misguided town read without providing any other reason for it - which feels like scum to me- Lukewarm
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Looking back over the thread, I realized I missed this.In post 279, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I don’t think helping with misunderstandings is AI? Considering A50 pointed out something I didn’t see and while it wasn’t entirely a misunderstanding it’s something I missed. It doesn’t really mean anything in the long run but I did miss it. I’m also pretty sure it was You (or maybe Gypyx) who called me out on it being bad.
I don’t know, if your only reason to TR Gypyx is “helped with misunderstandings” I hope you have more to add to that read of yours down the line.
The reason I townleaned gypyx was because he cleared up a misunderstanding when leaving the misunderstanding out there would have blatantly helped scum. If the psych did what I thought bingle was telling the psych to do, it would almost be handing the scum the game. It was not a non-consequential misunderstanding.- Lukewarm
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If you are referring to the game where I replaced out, my replacement got voted out Day 1. So you can already check my alignment from that game.In post 297, GrandpaMo wrote:I am also waiting on a game to end so I can also see if your slot was scummy ( I think you should know what game I am referencing) but we can't talk about on going games so no further discussion on that please.- Lukewarm
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??In post 328, T3 wrote:I do think Lukewarm had a good defense I'll have to think on it.
I am pretty sure my defense was the same before and after post 258. What changed your mind?- Lukewarm
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I feel like that is a hard thing to pin down, because every person is so different, so a bit of it comes from getting a vibe for the player. And imo Day 1 reads are way different from reads later on in the game. So I find it hard to define a holistic approach, but I have been explaining my reads so far, haven't I?In post 301, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Let me ask you something, @Lukewarm
What do you look for when reading someone and deciding a scum/town lean?
Like, my town read on Grandpa is because I feel like scum players generally avoid aggressively alienating other players right off the bat. Of course this changes after they have a reason to think they can push someone out, or a wagon has already started to form or anytime after Day 1. But today Grandpa came in, guns blazing, confident he had caught scum in some kind of conspiracy, and tunneled hard into it. I just don't feel like I see scum doing that this early Day 1 tbh, so he gets a town read for me.
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Yeah, I followed your logic for backing down a little. But T3 is not posting enough for me to understand, and without any extra context it looks even more like he just followed along to form a wagon out of the push you were making, and then abandoned it when you stopped pushing so hard.In post 373, GrandpaMo wrote:In post 372, Lukewarm wrote:
??In post 328, T3 wrote:I do think Lukewarm had a good defense I'll have to think on it.
I am pretty sure my defense was the same before and after post 258. What changed your mind?
Well from my perspective you had a fair assessment in your quote which in my definition different than defense. I don't know what T3 is talking about here honestly.
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Honestly, I am bit lost on the interactions from the people who have obvious play history between them. Like all interactions between Mena / Bingle / Almost50 / Dann.In post 379, ProfessorDrapion wrote:You haven’t talked about Mena in here.
What do you feel about them?
I am hoping they will all hard reading each other, so I can analyze that, because it is harder to analyze their familiar interactions as is. And then Pine + MWNN have 1 post between the two of them, so they are also both big question marks. So I admit, there are a lot of blanks on my read list right now.- Lukewarm
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Is this ordered? If so, what has you putting Bingle at the very top of you town reads?In post 380, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Professor’s Reads
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Bingle
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GrandpaMo
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Almost50
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Realized this probably should have come with a VOTE: T3In post 375, Lukewarm wrote:
Yeah, I followed your logic for backing down a little. But T3 is not posting enough for me to understand, and without any extra context it looks even more like he just followed along to form a wagon out of the push you were making, and then abandoned it when you stopped pushing so hard.In post 373, GrandpaMo wrote:In post 372, Lukewarm wrote:
??In post 328, T3 wrote:I do think Lukewarm had a good defense I'll have to think on it.
I am pretty sure my defense was the same before and after post 258. What changed your mind?
Well from my perspective you had a fair assessment in your quote which in my definition different than defense. I don't know what T3 is talking about here honestly.
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So far you and Drapion have been pushing me and I have been pushing Drapion. So pooky's hero solve is that the entire scum team came I to Day 1 ready to bus each otherIn post 410, GrandpaMo wrote:
would u bus d1 if u were scum? is this how this setup would work optimally? sorry im newIn post 408, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Drapion + GrandPaMo + Lukewarm HERO-SOLVE?- Lukewarm
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Hmm. One of my top two scum reads coming to the defense of the other.
Am I going to be the one who ends up with a Day 1 hero solve?- Lukewarm
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This is not something I even considered. So I looked back over his iso, and I can kind of see it.In post 385, VFP wrote:Scum want to find the masons here and I think you're trying to do exactly that.
Like I can see where his iso could be coming from a "I want to get everyone's town reads quickly and note any time people's reads shift slightly so I can cross reference everything to find the lovers" strategy instead of a "I want to find scum" strategy.
Like half the time someone posts a read, their response is "do you have any more reads" instead of actually talking about the reads themselves
But I am worried that this is just confirmation bias because I already put him in the scum team in my head. Would like to avoid tunneling. Can other people weigh in.
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My entire point is that imo, it does not look like you are trying to solve lol.In post 463, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Thus while I can’t prove to you I’m town I can prove (or at least try) to prove that I only had intent for the solve aspect.
No matter my alignment, I want to look Townie and solve. I won’t deny this.
I am hoping other people might weigh in on you, so I can tell if it is just tunneling/confirmation bias or not.
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I kind of laid it out in post 290, but basically two things:In post 482, Bingle wrote:
Can you elaborate a bit on the T3 read? I'm interested in why you think he's scum.In post 451, Lukewarm wrote:Hmm. One of my top two scum reads coming to the defense of the other.
When I look over his iso, he is posting a few times a day, with a few hours in-between each post, but he does not really seem to be interacting with the thread. His posts are all super short, they are not responding to other people's posts, and they are not asking other people questions. If just feels like he is passively observing the thread, and there is not really a sign that he is trying to understand other people's reads nor does he appear to be putting any pressure on his own reads. So overall, it feels like he is not trying to find scum.
The second reason was the way he responded to Grandpa's push against me. Like grandpa made their case, and I responded, and his post wasThen Grandpa kept pushing, and I made the same response, but tacked on "at this point I think you are tunneling over this." And then Grandpa backed down from the push, and started talking about other people, and T3 sent
It just feels like neither his vote on me nor his unvote were genuine.In post 328, T3 wrote:I do think Lukewarm had a good defense I'll have to think on it.
He did not really explain why he agreed with Grandpa's side of your back and forth, but joined the wagon. And then "grandpa, I think you are tunneling" is not a defense that I think would have swayed anyone other then grandpa, if they really did believe their scum read on me. So if he were town, and he did not ever have a scum read on me, why did he join the wagon, and if he did really have a scum read on my, why did he leave?
But I could see it coming from scum "join the wagon that is currently gaining steam" then "leave the wagon when grandpa stops pushing it"- Lukewarm
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The 3 least active players (exluding N_M who replaced in) are {pine, VFP, T3}
Claiming a thin iso is scum indicative while having one of the shortest isos in the game yourself is an... interesting... position to take.- Lukewarm
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I would like to hear more from Almost50, Bingle, Mena, and Pine. I feel like I have some kind of feel for everyone else in the thread, but all 4 of you guys are big question marks right now. Like, Bingle, even when you talked about the ProfessorD case, it felt more like a "this is what other people are scumreading him for" as opposed to what you think yourself.
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I mean I may be wrong, but that is not the impression I got.In post 559, GrandpaMo wrote:i disagree. while reading back at what bingle said, it felt geninune to how he felt
He opened it up with "As to why people are scumreading Prof:" and that came across more like "this is why other people are scum reading him" as opposed to "this is why I am scum reading him." Plus he did not include a vote.
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Can you explain this link a bit better, because I town leaned gypyx and scum read T3, and I am not sure what is putting them on the same teamIn post 568, GrandpaMo wrote:this would imply that gypyx + t3 are same allignment- Lukewarm
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Wait, I stopped reading too soon. This is an even more confusing take, because drap is the person I have put the most effort in to pushing.In post 575, Gypyx wrote:and luke + drap are same allignment.
I think you might need to double check your math Grandpa- Lukewarm
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Come on, how are youIn post 580, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 574, Gypyx wrote:Pooky i don't think you replied to me asking what kind of mood is required for you to want to play like you are rn?
I don't even understand your questionfeeeelin maannnn?
Are you feelingeffervescent? or are you filled withmelancholy? is there a touch oflistlessness? maybe you're closer toexasperation? maybe a hint ofennui?
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I would like further clarity from Grandpa about this. Like I see where two claims in your first sentence can lead to the orange and blue sections. Me and T3 crossvoted, so you don't think we could be partners. Gpyx and ProfessorD crossvoted, so you don't think they could be partners.In post 568, GrandpaMo wrote:i still think there is one between luke + t3 and gypyx + drap.
if drap flips scum then gypyx is most likely town.
if drap flips town then gypyx is most likely scum.
if luke flips scum then t3 is most likely town
if luke flips town then t3 is most likelytown.{I think you meant scum here}
this would imply that gypyx + t3 are same allignment and luke + drap are same allignment.
im still iffy on luke. yes i did say my solve is luke, t3, gypyx, but using my logic; it wouldn't work out propely. it would make t3 + gypyx scum and luke + drap town.
the only time luke would be in the reads if it is luke, drap = scum and that makes t3 + gpyyx town now.
pine is also another viable scumslot that has not been explored yet.
But where is the red coming from? How are gypyx and T3 linked? How are me and ProfessorD linked? I mean, me and ProfessorD also crossvoted, so unless you are using some logic that I am missing, this pairing seems inconsistent with your anti-partner logic you used before.
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There is nothing in the original post that links the two pairs tho. Like the only thing I can see is that you happened to right me on the left side of my pairing and you also happened to right drap on the left side of his pair. But I don't see why you could not have just as easily written the pairs asIn post 592, GrandpaMo wrote:In post 582, Lukewarm wrote:
I would like further clarity from Grandpa about this. Like I see where two claims in your first sentence can lead to the orange and blue sections. Me and T3 crossvoted, so you don't think we could be partners. Gpyx and ProfessorD crossvoted, so you don't think they could be partners.In post 568, GrandpaMo wrote:i still think there is one between luke + t3 and gypyx + drap.
if drap flips scum then gypyx is most likely town.
if drap flips town then gypyx is most likely scum.
if luke flips scum then t3 is most likely town
if luke flips town then t3 is most likelytown.{I think you meant scum here}
this would imply that gypyx + t3 are same allignment and luke + drap are same allignment.
im still iffy on luke. yes i did say my solve is luke, t3, gypyx, but using my logic; it wouldn't work out propely. it would make t3 + gypyx scum and luke + drap town.
the only time luke would be in the reads if it is luke, drap = scum and that makes t3 + gpyyx town now.
pine is also another viable scumslot that has not been explored yet.
But where is the red coming from? How are gypyx and T3 linked? How are me and ProfessorD linked? I mean, me and ProfessorD also crossvoted, so unless you are using some logic that I am missing, this pairing seems inconsistent with your anti-partner logic you used before.
would like clarity plz
thanks for catching that. i actually did mean scum lol. you would know because you are scum
in all seriousness though, it should make sense because from the orange and blue... i am not using individuality anymore but looking more of pairs and thinking that now bussing is a viable option... there is def a scene here for that scenerio to play out. i even said i was still iffy on you because from my logic if drap flipped town it would mean you are town as well and THAT read comes from the T3 + luke pairing
You have not provided any logic to cross reference the pairs the way you did, and not ^^this^^ way. Which is the way I think the same pairs play out, since I town read gypyx and scum read t3+drap.- Lukewarm
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Yeah. In a game with Not Mafia, intent to E-1 is the basically the same as intent to hammer.In post 606, Bingle wrote:
Drap is E-2, but N_M will hammer whatever wagon hits E-1.In post 602, GrandpaMo wrote:
whats the vc? am i hammer?In post 601, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:gramps nbodo ywill blame you lets go- Lukewarm
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Not really offended, as much as just confused lolIn post 620, GrandpaMo wrote:honestly i see this as you getting offended to being paired with drap...
And I remained confused until you spelled out how you came to your that conclusion. I am sorry to say that I think that the logic you used is a bit nonsensical, and that is why I did not understand right away.
--You created two pairs (T3/Me) and (gypyx/Drap), and I saw you point out the interactions that made you pair us off this way, so I'm following along to this point.
--Then you looked at the pairs, and you think that T3 is more likely in T3/Luke pair and you think that gypyx is more likely in the gypyx/drap pair, fair enough.
--So you concluded that you believe that T3+gypyx are a scum team. I am still following you to this point, so we are all good up to here
But then your next step is where I think you should reexamine your logic.
But then concluded that if you are wrong on one of the pairs, you must be wrong on the other one, and would flip your entire scum team instead of just flipping that slot. And that just... doesn't make any sense to me...
I brought it up because I was confused, but I think I understand how you drew your conclusions, even through I don't like your logic. So there is no need to bac and forth over this right now. We can cross this bridge once we get to the point that someone out of t3/me/drap/gypyx flips- Lukewarm
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There is a big difference between "good enough to be out of the elimination pool on Day 1" and "convinced someone is town for the rest of the game."In post 635, GrandpaMo wrote:i think town loses this game if this is how we are playing just by the judgemental basis that scum could be one of the people being collectively ignored or townread
I know my own reads will evolve as we get more information, such as Drap's flip, the Night kill, and if we get any PR info.
I'm not really used to the game being solved by the end of Day 1, so this seems par for the course imo- Lukewarm
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I want to be a part of the animal police :/In post 665, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:This Animal Police Department is on fire today
where did Pine go
did he get replaced or something?
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Eyy. Professor, you made it in before the mod. Any last minute reads you wanna leave in the thread?In post 669, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
I hope he pockets you enough that we win!In post 659, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:NM is on point this game
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Imo, it looked like you were getting scum reads without properly engaging with them - like you were getting the reads, but then it did not look like you were using that info to try and solve.In post 678, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Also I wasn’t lying when I said I wasn’t looking for Masons.
I was just trying to get town Cred but it failed.
You got the WCFTWR.
Not that I didn’t want to be gone today, but I was hoping it would be for a actual reason.
I guess TBF some gave a decent reasoning but majority was not.
Which apparently is because you were not getting the reads to solve, you were them in order to look townie.
The mason hunt explanation I guess was a red herring tho.
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Yeah, looking back, a scum-flip on ProfessorD is not a great look for MenaIn post 680, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Mena-scum so dead tomm btw- Lukewarm
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If we are choosing between these two, I am leaning towards Mena. - I have Grandpa as a town readIn post 699, Not_Mafia wrote:Grandpa Mo or Menlaque today
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