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I see no hands. Clearly we’re all okay leashing me to kill mena."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Optimal play is for baby to target Allen and Allen to aim for scrum.
We all pseudoclaim a psych inno D2 and maybe later day phases on the basis of how kills pan out. psych claims immediately if has guilty (although letting pseudoclaims happen is reasonable for extra analysis fodder). Mafia likely use the roleblocker to kill n1 as they are most valuable. They also likely don’t target with their roleblock N1, as it is greater utility as the game proceeds.
No more mech discussion, including clarification about scum action optimization or WHY I would share such action optimization is appropriate on D1."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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VOTE: pooky
This asshole won’t get out of my backpack and keeps making me carry him."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Clearly Mena has been murdering Eagles to steal their eyes, and as such is a clear threat to an endangered species.In post 25, Menalque wrote:The eagle eyed among us may have noticed that he also didn’t deny being scum
CONVENIENT
It is now your moral obligation to let me kill him."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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In post 37, Menalque wrote:
ExcellentIn post 32, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:We are at E-1 on Bingle
VOTE: bingle
That’s hammer"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Oh, is that how you lost your eye? I lost mine in a tragic volcano collision. Sadly, there were no survivors.In post 39, Menalque wrote:THOSE BIRDS HAD IT COMING"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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Hey, look. I tried my hardest to defend your team in impeachment. You all just kept getting caught on tape. You can’t pin that on me.In post 42, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
ITS UNFORTUNATE WE ARE NEVER ON THE SAME SIDE BINGSIn post 36, Bingle wrote:VOTE: pooky
This asshole won’t get out of my backpack and keeps making me carry him."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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Assuming it’s hectic, as is the standard operating procedure with all users whose name I don’t recognize, that’s actually a pretty towny slot imo.
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Sorry mod accidentally locked scum chat so I’m talking in code until he fixes it.In post 49, GrandpaMo wrote:In post 48, Bingle wrote:
Hey, look. I tried my hardest to defend your team in impeachment. You all just kept getting caught on tape. You can’t pin that on me.In post 42, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
ITS UNFORTUNATE WE ARE NEVER ON THE SAME SIDE BINGSIn post 36, Bingle wrote:VOTE: pooky
This asshole won’t get out of my backpack and keeps making me carry him.
this is day pt not scum pt . go talk to pooky there smh"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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What brings you to the site, Mr. Pokeymans sir?
What kind of Pokémon are you? Are you loyal through and through? Share with me your secrets deep inside."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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He is, explicitly. He signed up in the newbie queue as a newbie."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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Clearly we can’t trust cheats results. I mean look at the username:In post 59, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE UP SOME MECH MUMBO JUMBO ABOUT HOW THE WATCHER RESULTS MUST BE FAKE AND CHEETORY MUST BE HALLUCINATINGIn post 48, Bingle wrote:Hey, look. I tried my hardest to defend your team in impeachment. You all just kept getting caught on tape. You can’t pin that on me.cheatery. He’s gotta be cheating. Now if this were coming from gorkington, we could all feel good about it, but sadly cheat has clobbered fork over the head and won’t let fork play. Cause he’s a cheat."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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So I have a spicy tinfoil theory. I think that professor Drapion is not actually a drapion at all and is a robot attempting to pretend to be a drapion for the purposes of making achieving a professorship more impressive. I know, I know, this is all very farfetch’d, but I do have evidence.
Firstly, drapion has been established to evolve at level 40, which as everyone knows is a very rare occurrence in a game of mafia. Usually you have to have several weirdos running conflicting gambits to even get close to level 10 play. I find it very unlikely that someone with no completed games has managed to pull of a high enough level maneuver to evolve.
He COULD be a naturally occurring drapion, as drapion have been encountered in many places. This is exceedingly unlikely on the basis that there have been 0 wild drapion sightings in Central Park. Indeed, there aren’t even any confirmed drapion sightings in the greater New York area. Occams suggests that such a large Pokémon would have been spotted at least once during its migration.
Furthermore, when I began quoting music from Pokémon soundtracks, drapion remained ignorant of the context and didn’t respond to his supposed people’s music. I find this very suspicious.
Thirdly, when preparing to battle Mena, drapion mentioned that his claw was ready. Claw: singular, not plural. As everyone knows, drapion as a species has two claws, four spiked limbs and a scorpion like tail. This lack of biological familiarity with his supposed species is highly suspicious.
Finally, it is common knowledge that very few Pokémon have learned to speak proper English. Among those who have, a predilection towards using their own species name (such as the famous Team Rocket Meowth) is still common. drapion has shown a distinct lack of these behaviors. Clearly, the preponderance of evidence shows: Drapion must be a robot."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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No, I enter with a vote on pooky to distance. You were supposed to lead the miselim wagon on Mena after we pocket him.
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Sounds like something a robot would say, tbh.In post 74, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Cyborg actually, had a translator transplant.
(Messed up quote before)"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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When trying to quote this, I accidentally hit the report button originally. Probably because I’m so used to being BETRAYED.In post 84, Dannflor wrote:guys gypyx and bingle are scum together"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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For reel reels though VOTE: gypyx
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Just like Cain and Abel, he’s pulled a sneak attack.
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"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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Mena slightly scummy, pooky low priority, your slot has tells but I need to wait for the psych evaluation result to determine if they’re scummy or towny. Dann strongest townread. I’d be voting lukewarm if I weren’t voting gypyx, but I think the gypyx wagon is more likely to be spicy atm.In post 96, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Now Bingle, got any other early reads?
You?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Nah, Mena, we’ve got the monkey this game, not the judge.In post 100, Menalque wrote:*announcer voice*
And yes, that’s dannflor entering the thread folks, ooh, it’s not off to a good start! How many yikes out of 5 is that judges?
4/5 yikes! Hoo boy, that’s a lot of yikes for dannflor’s entrance!"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Hmmm. Too many scum reads, not enough time. Monkey get your ass in here, I have need of you."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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Yeah, remember when I said we were done with mechtalk for D1? That was me saying we’re done with mechtalk for D1.
I didn’t think I needed to clarify that."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Let me give you a quick rundown on how Bingle do.In post 123, Lukewarm wrote:
Yeah. I am actually suspicious of Bingle making the suggestion for the psych to automatically out a guilty result. Because imo, that seems more likely to out the sitter then to out mafia.In post 120, Dannflor wrote:Lukewarm, do you have any non-pokemon related thoughts on any players yet?
I think that they know that too, because they were in the Open Setup review of the game that the mod linked to in the first post, and there they talked about the Psych having "a fake inno and a fake guilty on a questionable reliability investigative."
So from my PoV, Bingle came out with some anti-town advice, and then said for no one to question them
Bingle will argue the optimal strategy for town as he sees it, regardless of his alignment. Bingle is good at mechanics speak. Bingle is very good at mechanics speak. Bingle is widely regarded as among the best at mechanics on site. Bingle has said, specifically, that there are a bunch of things that are mechanically optimal, and that we should not discuss mechanics speak further for the rest of the day.
Either, Bingle is telling the truth that this is a protown maneuver or Bingle is crippling his ability to lean into mechanics speak, setting himself up to be questioned thoroughly on not D1 (historically the day when Bingle wants to be questioned in order to establish himself), and taking a harsh departure from what is a tried and true strategy Bingle has used as both town and scum for literally years to a pretty good result in a lobby that is at least half full of people who know Bingle pretty well.
Feel free to scumread me for it (I in fact enjoy scumreads, they are delicious) but we are done talking mech for D1."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Ah, speak of the monkey and he doth appear.In post 114, Almost50 wrote:I am still debating whether to play to the meta some (older) players know, or the one I want to revert to.
Could you do me a teensy favor and devote investigative energy at the other pirate? I am concerned that he's tailoring his play to appeal to me and I'm unsure how to read into that. Thank you."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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That is like the third most compelling reason to wagon him!In post 125, Gypyx wrote:
on the other hand, ew @ thisIn post 113, ProfessorDrapion wrote:NGL.
I didn’t notice that till you pointed it out.
VOTE: professor
still not a fan of Pooky ftr"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Despite the fact that I am townreading Dann, I endorse this gif and it's message.In post 111, Menalque wrote:In post 105, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
So your telling me you think this:In post 100, Menalque wrote:*announcer voice*
And yes, that’s dannflor entering the thread folks, ooh, it’s not off to a good start! How many yikes out of 5 is that judges?
4/5 yikes! Hoo boy, that’s a lot of yikes for dannflor’s entrance!
Is more yikes then this:In post 84, Dannflor wrote:guys gypyx and bingle are scum together"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Town:
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Needs more content before being arbitrarily shuffled into a pile:
GrandpaMo
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Yes. All nine of those are genuine reads with genuine reasoning. I'm not going to bother explaining most of them at the moment, and they're loosely ordered based on how accurate my gut says they might be."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Aye. The things he's doing feel town to me, but they're also exactly the things I would expect Mena to do to try to pocket me. Particularly: Early SR on me and going after Dann right out of the gate are things I think Mena is aware I'm likely to TR.In post 140, Almost50 wrote:
I take it you're referring to Menalque? I think he's clear.. or at least he appears to be so far.In post 131, Bingle wrote:Could you do me a teensy favor and devote investigative energy at the other pirate? I am concerned that he's tailoring his play to appeal to me and I'm unsure how to read into that. Thank you."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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Entrance was aggressively meh, seems to be moderately around and yet is only addressing topics that don't really have substance.In post 143, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Explain your VFP read.
I officially endorse A50 poking this with a stick."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Hmm.In post 153, VFP wrote:So does Drapion."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Exactly wrong. Scum loves to hide in mechspeak.In post 156, GrandpaMo wrote:So through these analytical posts... I don't think mafia goes out in their way to actually give out on what town does. Mafia specifically in this setup where it is their job to figure out PRs does not give PRs help unless its direct manipulation to favor a specific result. However, seeing what Bingle has said, I doubt there is a world where Bingle actually does this as mafia. Looking back at their older games, they seem the same as their townplaystyle. Also their continued aggression and coherent reads are okay, there is some I disagree with however and I will explain later.
No.In post 156, GrandpaMo wrote:Looking at post 41, this is a very towny entrance from Mena and like I said why I townread Mena from early game. Mafia is more inclined to just stay back and let town push and interact members. However, they could be experienced enough to just do that as Mafia. But usually from the games I have played in, this is what I have been through and seen and it is usually right; early pushes (especially the first player) tend to be town. Also something to remark, is that if Drap is scum this is the only reference I see them scum in early game and that is in post 35. I replied to Mena hoping for an answer on this, but no answer sadly.
I... What? Dann's read is bad because I pushed Gypyx afterwards? What?In post 156, GrandpaMo wrote:Honestly, this is a bad pairing for this reason. I doubt mafia busses day 1 in this setup. Bingle is hard pushing Gypyx and while everyone is pushing Drap, Bingle is staying on with a read that they think Gypyx is scum (look at post 99 where they they say a Gypx BW is more spicy implying wanting it more). This is a weird enterence too but at least its better than lukewarm's enterence. You are still null since you haven't done nothing that scummy right after.
The next two bits of analysis are A50 and me saying functionally the same thing about me, and a townread on me + scumread on A50 for it.
I'm fascinated how g-pa knows he disagrees with all of my reads when I've given reasoning for very few of them, but the preflip pairing of Luke and Monkey is p gross.
148 is a fine post and being willing to back down isn't inherently scummy at all."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I would be genuinely shocked to find A50 was townreading me here.In post 184, VFP wrote:I think A50 needs to stop defending Town Bingle."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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You haven't. I was correcting the misread that you think I'm significantly more likely to be town than scum, when I think we both know you leanscum me atm.In post 188, Almost50 wrote:Unless I talk in my sleep; I don't believe I stated a single TR on any of the players in this game as of yet."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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@Pooks
I'll let you know if there's important bidness in the walls, dw.
Do you have motivation/reads yet?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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As the bingle in question, I can assure you that my mechspeak is literally the worst reason you could possibly have for town reading me, and your reason for townreading mena is similarly bad.In post 195, GrandpaMo wrote:Snip
Dann expressed a partner read on Gyp and I in 84. I expressed a serious vote on gypyx in 91. 91 > 84. Therefore, saying that Dann's partner read in 85 is bad because I was voting Gypyx is... Bad.
A50 talking about my mechspeak being NAI is NAI because A50 has the required knowledge about me to know that my mechspeak is NAI which I mentioned in the post where I said that my mechspeak was NAI. NAI.
I'm not saying you're scumreading me for having wrong reads. I'm saying you think my reads are wrong without knowing why I have them, which is pretty TMI.
Townies aren't afraid to be wrong, they put out content because they believe in it."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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FTFYIn post 231, Menalque wrote:Which is like EXTRA extra concerning when you consider that dann normally radiates town when scum
Also, Dann was on my TM team and we bounced reads back and forth consistently for the last like 3 months. This looks exactly like what Dann thought about Ari's game."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Dann, wrt Ari game, came to the same conclusions as I did pretty much constantly. He disagreed with Hectic/Ydrasse, but we were pretty much lockstep the rest of the way up till XLO.In post 263, Menalque wrote:Okay so what in those 9 posts is reminding you so strongly of town!dann’s thought processes?
Dann, wrt this game, had the exact same reaction I did to 81/82, gave 0 shits about the optics of going after what is probably the easiest target of his scumreads (voting lukewarm over me/gypyx) even before I agreed to the gypyx wagon and then didn't bother to justify it when called on it. 101 further solidified the townread, because it's a true statement. Town Dann doesn't care if his posting is yikes. Scum Dann knows exactly how his posts will appear. His posting wrt you mirrors my own thoughts about your actions near perfectly.
Given that my recent experience with Dann says town him and town me have similar takeaways and he appears to have rented out some room in my brain atm, my townread remains and solidifies. Given that he doesn't appear self conscious at all with his posting I have no desire to try to force him to obvtown and get shot on N1."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I have confidence that MWNN can towntell if he's town, but Pine is gonna lurksack D1. That's just the way Pines do.In post 335, GrandpaMo wrote:specifically pine and man?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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In post 348, Almost50 wrote:MWNN I think has flaked. In fact I know he did (and that was well before this game ever started or even filled in)
Sad news. I was looking forward to playing with him."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Eh. It's not that strong yet. There's a few things that make it very likely, but this list is small enough you might be trying to manipulate me specifically.In post 368, Almost50 wrote:
Why, Town AF, of course.In post 365, Dannflor wrote:Bingle, how are you reading A50 so far?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Contextually it might help you to know that I locktowned A50 before page 10 of the large normal for TM when he was largely scumread, A50 guessed I would shortly after I expressed this in the team chat and I was 100% correct.In post 406, GrandpaMo wrote:dann i need to hear from you. you ask this question then dip which is wack.
I'm not entirely sure why Dann is worried about it just now, but he is likely to put a lot of stock in my ability to read A50."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Pooky, I think GPa believes his angles to be true regardless of his alignment, which makes me think at the very least he and Drap aren't S/S. Do you get a different vibe?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Scum Scum. I don't think you and drap are both aligned with the mafia together based specifically on the impression that your reasoning is genuine. I could see a case for either of you individually, although I think you're probably just town playing at a surface level atm.In post 421, GrandpaMo wrote:
what is s/s?In post 420, Bingle wrote:Pooky, I think GPa believes his angles to be true regardless of his alignment, which makes me think at the very least he and Drap aren't S/S. Do you get a different vibe?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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FWIW, I don't think this is the goal if drap is scum. I think it's more likely he's looking to avoid making waves by getting a sense of how the town feels b/c he doesn't strike me as comfortable enough with his position to be PR hunting. Drap has come across as very self conscious about how he's being read and that doesn't mesh well with risking the limelight to worry about hunting PRs here.In post 385, VFP wrote:Scum want to find the masons here and I think you're trying to do exactly that.
If drap IS PR hunting it's likely on a team of fresher players, as anyone with experience will know that the best way to PR hunt is after the thread has locked for the night so that you don't accidentally out that you're planning out your NK."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Basically?In post 436, GrandpaMo wrote:the more i think about it, the more i think about my first game and how its really not a fair assessment to the other games. newbie 2059 was an easy game compared to this and mafia scumslipped and the other was coasty mafia so honestly i think thats how we won
Town wants to find scum and look town in that order.
Scum wants to look town and find people who look like they might be scum but aren't actually in that order.
Opens, barring odd setups that discourage encourage specific S/S interactions, are mostly the same as closed setups outside of claiming.
I think the place you are wrong here is specifically that you're townreading effort, which is not a solid play because the characteristic that makes a good scumgame a good scumgame is that it looks like a towngame, and a large chunk of this playerlist is notable for having a good scumgame.
That's not to say that I'm absolutely right and you're absolutely wrong. I think I'm right and you're wrong, and I'm going to act as if I'm right and you're wrong, and I'm not going to apologize for it, but mafia is a difficult game and there are many ways to catch scum.
If you're town, the best idea is to keep saying what you think and being unapologetic about it (although civility is helpful regardless of alignment if you want to have any hope of convincing people) because being genuine is a trait inherent in most towngames.
There are other ways to play (both Pine and I tend to play the game to manipulate people to be off guard and thus more easily readable as both alignments, for example) but the one I just described will probably give you the best results overall, especially if you're fairly new to the game."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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In post 454, Almost50 wrote:He did it with stunning cold blood in the last game."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Can you elaborate a bit on the T3 read? I'm interested in why you think he's scum.In post 451, Lukewarm wrote:Hmm. One of my top two scum reads coming to the defense of the other."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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As to why people are scumreading Prof:
His entrance sounded forced, and his immediate justification for it makes me think he's too worried about how he's coming across. 19 is a bit performative and I don't particularly like the way he danced around my wagon. This was less of a big deal when I thought he was a true newbie, but being an alt makes it less likely to simply be jitters.
His fluff/content ratio is actually pretty good, but the content he does have is very political. Sheeping me and asking for my other reads is a very safe move, even if I'm right on Gypyx. 103 shows an effort=town read for both me and Mena. VFP/T3/Gypyx feel mostly like fluff reads. It feels more like a readslist because he thought I expected him to have reads at that point in the game than a genuine reads list. I also would have expected a natural thought process to put the very similar reads of me and Mena adjacent to each other, rather than as bookends to the weaker, low content reads.
It's been mentioned that 113 is a pretty awful take. (A50 calling VFP's post a scumclaim is incredibly nonintuitive and I'd expect anyone without extensive A50 experience to look at that and go "What are you smoking old man?" not "Oh, yeah, 3 townreads in RVS is a scumclaim.") This suggests to me that Prof had absolutely no paranoia about A50's comment, which shows a distinct lack of town perspective in that he wasn't trying to figure out A50's alignment.
128 is a defense by way of pedantry (often scum). It's not "I'm not scummy and here's why" it's "You shouldn't think I'm scummy for that specific reason."
teal deer: He's playing a very political game, and I don't think his solving is genuine."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I left off at 128 because I haven't been focused on reading him recently and haven't spent a lot of effort on parsing the recent posting."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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We should probably table discussions about how to mason hunt for the time being.In post 493, Almost50 wrote:As for Drap, I agree his questions (asking for reads) could be an elaborate way of hunting the Mason Lovers. You ask for reads, you try to find 2 people who TR each other for no good reason, and you probably found the Masons."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Yo drapion, why no response to my halfassed case on you?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky- Bingle
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:eyebrows:In post 531, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
Must have missed it.In post 519, Bingle wrote:Yo drapion, why no response to my halfassed case on you?
What’s the number?
P.S. I’m also playing another game on another site.
In post 489, Bingle wrote:As to why people are scumreading Prof:
His entrance sounded forced, and his immediate justification for it makes me think he's too worried about how he's coming across. 19 is a bit performative and I don't particularly like the way he danced around my wagon. This was less of a big deal when I thought he was a true newbie, but being an alt makes it less likely to simply be jitters.
His fluff/content ratio is actually pretty good, but the content he does have is very political. Sheeping me and asking for my other reads is a very safe move, even if I'm right on Gypyx. 103 shows an effort=town read for both me and Mena. VFP/T3/Gypyx feel mostly like fluff reads. It feels more like a readslist because he thought I expected him to have reads at that point in the game than a genuine reads list. I also would have expected a natural thought process to put the very similar reads of me and Mena adjacent to each other, rather than as bookends to the weaker, low content reads.
It's been mentioned that 113 is a pretty awful take. (A50 calling VFP's post a scumclaim is incredibly nonintuitive and I'd expect anyone without extensive A50 experience to look at that and go "What are you smoking old man?" not "Oh, yeah, 3 townreads in RVS is a scumclaim.") This suggests to me that Prof had absolutely no paranoia about A50's comment, which shows a distinct lack of town perspective in that he wasn't trying to figure out A50's alignment.
128 is a defense by way of pedantry (often scum). It's not "I'm not scummy and here's why" it's "You shouldn't think I'm scummy for that specific reason."
teal deer: He's playing a very political game, and I don't think his solving is genuine."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Again, I think that's far more likely to be LAMIST than PR hunting.In post 528, Almost50 wrote:It doesn't matter how experienced other players are. If Drap's experience tells him it's possible then it's the strategy he will follow. It is his experience level that matters here.
Drap's response does kinda seem like a "You've caught me for the wrong reasons" defense though."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Teel deer:In post 542, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:This is the proper format:
Drap is town because ___________
^ the reason used here should be your strongest reason.
Antiassociatives and gamestate read.
GPa agrees that Drap is nominally scummy on play, but thinks there are bigger fish to fry who are not S/S with Drap."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I'm considering it.In post 593, Not_Mafia wrote:Bingle, wouldn't it be so random if you just like, voted Drapion right now?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Drap is E-2, but N_M will hammer whatever wagon hits E-1.In post 602, GrandpaMo wrote:
whats the vc? am i hammer?In post 601, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:gramps nbodo ywill blame you lets go"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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I'm saying that you think Drap looks scummy, but that because of the things around him you think he is actually town.
You did have things you townread him for based on his own play, I will admit that. I think they are not town indicative things and thus largely ignored them. For example, you think Drap's tr on me makes drap likely town when I think townreading me is actually fairly sketchy from him. If you put more weight behind those things than I thought I apologize, but I assumed given the title of the case that the contextual clues were more important to you and pooky was looking for a "Strongest reason".
Am I wrong that you see what drap has done as something that is reasonable to scumread? (That's what is meant by nominally scummy, btw)"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Oh. Okay then. Dead thread here I come!In post 617, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I’m no PR so it doesn’t really matter too too much.
I’m also in another game and it’s hard to do both with so much working IRL.
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