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Votes don't matter but are a good indicator of what people are thinking.In post 41, T3 wrote:Votesdon't mater and it's ultimately NM's choice.
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VOTE: HockeyfanIn post 52, HockeyFan wrote:
Bad decisionIn post 50, Not_Mafia wrote:I’m drawing this out as long as I possibly can- Pavowski
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In post 85, Lukewarm wrote:Yes, but I need my vengeance
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This is why I would say shoot Luke on day two or three.In post 110, marcistar wrote:if luke is town and gets the gun, i wont lie, but i dont think he'll be confident unless he has a strong townread at that point.- Pavowski
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Nah I'd give you the gun, just not first.In post 162, Lukewarm wrote:
You death tunnel 1 townie super loudly for the entirety of day 1, and suddenly no one wants to give you a gun. smhIn post 160, Pavowski wrote:
This is why I would say shoot Luke on day two or three.In post 110, marcistar wrote:if luke is town and gets the gun, i wont lie, but i dont think he'll be confident unless he has a strong townread at that point.
If you're mafia I know I'm gonna have a hard time reading you, so shooting you before endgame makes sense
But if you're town I give you a pretty good chance of hitting scum if you've seen a flip or two.- Pavowski
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If this is a pocket attempt it's the laziest one everIn post 274, HockeyFan wrote:Luke just pocketing the gunbearer smh- Pavowski
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I'm townreading t3 which makes me nervous and makes me think I should be scum reading him.In post 275, Lukewarm wrote:My shoot recommendations are at
People I trust with a gun: Art and me
People that I think might flip scum : Hockey, T3, Marci
If I read Marci on this game alone I'd peg her as scummy, but Marci here does not feel like scum!Marci as I've seen her. I dunno if I'd shoot there.
Hockey I'm not sure about. Initial impression was scummy but if he's scum it's a pretty lazy effort.
Ugh everybody alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum, do not like. Gonna review d1 when I get back to my laptop.- Pavowski
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What do you mean, everyone alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum?In post 282, Pavowski wrote:Ugh everybody alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum, do not like
Everyone is a null read?
No I mean in a vacuum there are 4 scum to 8 shootable slots- Pavowski
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From my pov I meanIn post 286, Pavowski wrote:In post 284, Lukewarm wrote:
What do you mean, everyone alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum?In post 282, Pavowski wrote:Ugh everybody alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum, do not like
Everyone is a null read?
No I mean in a vacuum there are 4 scum to 8 shootable slots- Pavowski
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I am not used to t3 feeling like town to me regardless of alignment, that's what makes me doubt the readIn post 290, HockeyFan wrote:In post 282, Pavowski wrote:
I'm townreading t3 which makes me nervous and makes me think I should be scum reading him.In post 275, Lukewarm wrote:My shoot recommendations are at
People I trust with a gun: Art and me
People that I think might flip scum : Hockey, T3, Marci
Why does it make you nervous? You're allowed to TR someone regardless of other peoples reads on him
If I read Marci on this game alone I'd peg her as scummy, but Marci here does not feel like scum!Marci as I've seen her. I dunno if I'd shoot there.
Hockey I'm not sure about. Initial impression was scummy but if he's scum it's a pretty lazy effort.
Ugh everybody alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum, do not like. Gonna review d1 when I get back to my laptop.- Pavowski
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Yeah I hadn't properly done the math until NM self-yeeted. Wish he'd waited a little longer. I still have null reads on half the lobbyIn post 289, Lukewarm wrote:
I was getting ready to accuse you of tmi'ing how many scum there are, but double checked it is in the OP from the mod, and apparently I just missed it lolIn post 286, Pavowski wrote:
No I mean in a vacuum there are 4 scum to 8 shootable slotsIn post 284, Lukewarm wrote:
What do you mean, everyone alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum?In post 282, Pavowski wrote:Ugh everybody alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum, do not like
Everyone is a null read?
4 seems like a lot for an 11 player game, but probably makes sense since we are nightless- Pavowski
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He's saying that's the order of his PoE.In post 309, HockeyFan wrote:wait, from what i can understand from that graphic, marcis not even your number 1 scumread since u have a 2 on thier name yet u want to shoot them?- Pavowski
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This is big brain timeIn post 316, Galron wrote:And Marci could be town but could be town also.- Pavowski
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Anyone besides me remember this godawful commercial?In post 280, Toogeloo wrote:Oh, and I like Luke for town. I'm pickin' up good vibrations, he's giving me excitations.
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I will miss the pictograms but welcome some more concrete thoughts from this slotIn post 329, Hectic wrote:Hello friends- Pavowski
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In post 330, Hectic wrote:Could everyone give 3 or 4 players they think are scum, and why?
I'm suspicious of players who have voiced minimal or few scumreads, despite the fact there are FOUR scumazzers out and about from a town player's perspective. Players that fall under this category include T3, marcistar, Toogeloo, and probably others
It's probably pretty difficult for scum to voice many scumreads here, given they either have to choose in the limited pool of townies, or give scumreads on their buds
I share your sentiment of suspicion and am therefore obliged to lean scum on these 3. From most to least scummy that'd be Toog -> Vulture -> Enchant, but that's based on not much and I want to hear more from them, hence my question on the previous page.Pavowski wrote:
I'm still sitting in null on too many people: Toogelo, Vulture, Enchant.
I have trouble reconciling my feelings on Marci and T3. T3 usually strikes me as scummy but feels towny, I think I'm gonna lean into that for now. I'm going with my gut to lean Marci into scum.
Hockey's play is weird but I like T3's read on it so I'm inclined to agree that Hockey feels town for now
I'm never gonna feel confident in a read on Luke, so he will probably spend most of the game in null for me but I have to put him as town for now, I don't think he's the move for today at any rate.
Then there's you (Hectic), who I think I'm towny on, but I'll have a better idea once I have some words from you to work with.
There I think I've done everybody, this is usually the point where people start scumreading me pretty hard.- Pavowski
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Disclaimer on the above:In post 336, Pavowski wrote:In post 330, Hectic wrote:Could everyone give 3 or 4 players they think are scum, and why?
I'm suspicious of players who have voiced minimal or few scumreads, despite the fact there are FOUR scumazzers out and about from a town player's perspective. Players that fall under this category include T3, marcistar, Toogeloo, and probably others
It's probably pretty difficult for scum to voice many scumreads here, given they either have to choose in the limited pool of townies, or give scumreads on their buds
I share your sentiment of suspicion and am therefore obliged to lean scum on these 3. From most to least scummy that'd be Toog -> Vulture -> Enchant, but that's based on not much and I want to hear more from them, hence my question on the previous page.Pavowski wrote:
I'm still sitting in null on too many people: Toogelo, Vulture, Enchant.
I have trouble reconciling my feelings on Marci and T3. T3 usually strikes me as scummy but feels towny, I think I'm gonna lean into that for now. I'm going with my gut to lean Marci into scum.
Hockey's play is weird but I like T3's read on it so I'm inclined to agree that Hockey feels town for now
I'm never gonna feel confident in a read on Luke, so he will probably spend most of the game in null for me but I have to put him as town for now, I don't think he's the move for today at any rate.
Then there's you (Hectic), who I think I'm towny on, but I'll have a better idea once I have some words from you to work with.
There I think I've done everybody, this is usually the point where people start scumreading me pretty hard.
The fact that there's 4 scum out there really has me doubting everything I'm thinking about this game, as I know that half the players are full of fuckery- Pavowski
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Is this what you meant to write? Town!Luke could not have given NM the gun, only Scum!Luke could haveIn post 335, Hectic wrote:Lukewarm likely town for:
-Being aware Not_Mafia actually has good reads, yet picking him to be the gun bearer nonetheless.- Pavowski
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?? Hectic is Art's alt, not really a rep-in?In post 342, Lukewarm wrote:Hectic has repped in, if you need help catching up, just let me know
There is alike, a site rule about speculating about rep ins, but I am going to assume that they don't apply here, so let the speculation commence- Pavowski
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This is just another one of those weird posts from Hockey. The thought process just doesn't make sense to me. You're welcome to SR me for "not committing hard", but, seriously...In post 365, HockeyFan wrote:All of Pav's reads seem sheepy and based on other peoples reads which could be scum sheeping town here. "Hockey's play is weird but I like T3's read on it so I'm inclined to agree that Hockey feels town for now" is an example from 336 is an example. Also I dont really like 337 since that post implies hes wiling to keep all of his options open and not commit hard to a TR/SR.
Who, playing Mafia, doesn't keep their options open?- Pavowski
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The chaotic energy of Marci's 392 is just
But specifically this:
Do not like this response at all. Surely you have *something*?marcistar wrote:
PLS SMSSKSMSK THIS IS SO FUNNYIn post 341, Hectic wrote:But we have tiiiimeee, so marci, if you're not scum, give us a power star; talk about your reads etc
i dont have too much reads, and im sure not confident enough in them to do anything with it
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There very well could be 2 scum there, I'm less confident in my TR on T3 over time.In post 414, Hectic wrote:I'd be disappointed if at least 2 of T3/marcistar/Pavowski weren't scum
We'd likely be in a good position if those 3 were the next 3 shots
Possibly a 5 town, 2 mafia situation
Sorry you didn't like my last 3 posts. Let me elaborate and clarify.
Toog is still in null and I could read them asking for the gun either way. I'm still leaning scum.
I didn't particularly feel I was playing defense against Hockey, moreso stating my philosophy.
And Marci, well, it looks like you agree with my conclusion on that slot if not my reasons, so I'll take it.- Pavowski
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I agree with your assessment, but is he scum or town?In post 423, Lukewarm wrote:There is like an arc in his iso, where it seems like his mindset for this game changes over time- Pavowski
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Him scumreading you doesn't necessarily mean he'd shoot you, but yes, all the thinking in this game gets very precarious very quickly given 4 scum.In post 433, Hectic wrote:Explain?
You're trying to scare me into thinking an incorrect shot on you ends the game since you would mishoot me, aren't you?
Would be nice if Galron hits red to give us some breathing room.
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Ehhhhh.In post 437, marcistar wrote:pavowski gib readlist
Town-lean (no particular order)
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Scum (would probably shoot today if I held the gun)
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No, it's not an apology in the sense of "you didn't like my posts, I must fix them", it's more like I feel like I'm not communicating very well. Point is I don't want people to think I'm scum, and I don't particularly want to get shot today and have the game fall on my shoulders, so I want to make sure that if I'm being scum read, it's at least for my dubious reads and ideas and not for my messy way of stating them.- Pavowski
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I would also like to hear some thoughts from Galron and in addition to requesting intent to shoot, I would ask for a reads list before you do shoot, just in case you do miss and die. We know we can at least trust your reads to be genuine.In post 464, Hectic wrote:What are your thoughts, Galron? I would recommend not spontaneously shooting like the snorlax.
Also, idea: Letting someone know you plan on shooting them 24 hours before you do gives a good opportunity for them to try and townspew/scumspew one last time on maximum WIM, and hopefully make their alignment clearer for us- Pavowski
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What a question. I mean, the short answer is green text in my pmIn post 473, Galron wrote: Why are you town?
The longer answer is I'm trying to find scum and I'm trying to make my thinking clear to the group. I think we have found scum in Marci, whose "how could anybody possibly suspect me" schtick is pretty much all she's offered. I think she's a good shot and I think a red flip there would tell us a lot. (I say that fully aware that if she's town, she seems likely to shoot me at this point when she gets the gun, and that's the game if it goes that way... But I don't think she survives getting shot.)
I'm also trying to clean up my reads list because I keep forgetting there are 4 scum in this lobby which from my POV means half the non-gunbearing players are out here bullshitting. I have a bad habit of interacting with everybody as if they're town and forgetting that the entire point of this game is for a subset of the players to make bad-faith arguments.
Anyway, take a look at my reads and decide if you trust me not to lose the game. Because if you shoot me, I have to shoot to keep the game alive. Personally I don't like my chances right now because I don't have a ton of confidence in any of my reads. I think I've also made it pretty clear where I'd likely aim first.- Pavowski
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omg T3 has an avatarIn post 484, T3 wrote:Usually when I get townread or am conftown I get very lackluster.
To be honest, I don't know.
I still think Art is scum for a bull [*dolphins chittering*] case.
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My thoughts exactly.In post 504, Hectic wrote:Enchant meanwhile seems to be avoiding this game which makes his scum equity rise sharply
I have more thoughts this morning but I'll wait for the T3 flip before I dive in too far.- Pavowski
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Lot of back and forth since this morning. Just a quick check in for me at lunch here but I still think Marci is scum, and T3's defense of her earlier suggests to me that we've been on the right track there.
But I am also starting to think that either Luke or hectic could be scum with her. Luke's pulling back which is unlike him (too many games he said and I get that, but still) but he seems to be holding some sus on Marci which brings him back up some in my book. I don't love hectics push on me. Scum knows I'm legit and could easily be trying to get Galron to shoot me here, add to that I've already said I'm not super confident in my reads. Maybe he wants me to get the gun and misfire. Taking a more critical look at this slot from here on out.
Not sure who that leaves as the 3rd, but I don't think hockey is likely.
Hectic you asked about me wanting reads from Galron. (Hard to quote as I'm on mobile right now.) I don't know Galron at all before this game, I just think it'd be beneficial to get reads from confirmed town before a shot since anybody can be wrong. On policy I don't think it's a good idea to die with information in your pocket. If I get the gun I will certainly give reads before I shoot. (Not that my reads have been a secret lately.)- Pavowski
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Ok I took the trouble to quote on mobile because I want to get this right. "Intense worry" is quite a way to characterize my posts there. My first post specifically says why I would like the reads regardless of how the shot goes, and the 2nd is just a response to the fact that the shot was fired without giving those reads and I didn't want to miss the opportunity to hear from him.In post 523, Hectic wrote:In post 467, Pavowski wrote:
I would also like to hear some thoughts from Galron and in addition to requesting intent to shoot, I would ask for a reads list before you do shoot, just in case you do miss and die. We know we can at least trust your reads to be genuine.In post 464, Hectic wrote:What are your thoughts, Galron? I would recommend not spontaneously shooting like the snorlax.
Also, idea: Letting someone know you plan on shooting them 24 hours before you do gives a good opportunity for them to try and townspew/scumspew one last time on maximum WIM, and hopefully make their alignment clearer for us
I didn't say earlier, Pavoski, but do you know Galron or respect his play? Because I found this intense worry about him giving final reads before shooting really weird.In post 501, Pavowski wrote:Well that was abrupt. Gal mind giving reads in case it's a bad shot?
I can't help what Galron (or anybody) might have read into the tone of those but to imply I'm disrespectful of his play is a stretch. All the reads lists going around right now are great but half of them (less now with T3 gone) are full of fuckery and the only person we all know is giving reads in good faith is Galron. I don't think it's inappropriate to want that information.
It's uncharitable implications like this (in addition to the fact that you're simply wrong on your read of me) that have you plummeting in my reads right now, hectic.
(Sidenote - you sound like a nice guy too, it's all good brother)- Pavowski
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This is actually pretty compelling. If Toog is doing scum theater here it's heckin deep theater.In post 570, Lukewarm wrote:
Toog is town. I see where vulture has proven toog to be wrong. But toog is town- Pavowski
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OMG I tried to spoiler and hide the big quote and I broke the formatting. Sorry =\In post 603, Pavowski wrote:
This is actually pretty compelling. If Toog is doing scum theater here it's heckin deep theater.In post 570, Lukewarm wrote:
Toog is town. I see where vulture has proven toog to be wrong. But toog is town
Anyway this point from Luke on Toog is difficult to argue with.- Pavowski
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I'm still fairly confident in scum!Marci.In post 575, Hectic wrote: This is kinda dodgy though. Lukewarm having "some sus" on marci pulls him up some in your books? How confident exactly are you on marci being scum for that to be the case?
The bolded feels a little off too, like you're trying to convince an audience of your suspicions
I'm willing to be proved wrong but I don't think I am.
Per the bolding, yes, I am trying to convince the lobby of my suspicions. It's possible you're scumreading me in good faith, but it's just as likely, and maybe more so, that you're not.- Pavowski
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You getting shot was feeling like a distinct possibility, but (obviously, seeing as it didn't happen) by no means a foregone conclusion. Scum can try to steer sus off their partners, right?In post 579, marcistar wrote:
wow shocker scum still hating on meIn post 564, Pavowski wrote:Lot of back and forth since this morning. Just a quick check in for me at lunch here but I still think Marci is scum, and T3's defense of her earlier suggests to me that we've been on the right track there.
how does it suggest its on the right track instead of some sort of mind game?
Sure, it could be a mind game, but he didn't try to hard-clear you (like he did me -- he specifically read me as town at one point), all he did was say you weren't scum / couldn't be read because of reasons. He later hid behind this to claim he wasn't defending you.- Pavowski
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I had forgotten about this but it was a good observation then and it's giving me pause in my townread of Hockey right now.In post 599, Toogeloo wrote:I agree with all the points Luke made about Hockey, and I recall feeling like Hockey and T3 having really weird interactions early in the game. I believe the term I used was they were, "slobbin' each other's knobs."
Hockey is someone who shouldn't make it to endgame.- Pavowski
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Don't take it personally. It's not just you; I haven't done full reads since the shot. (I'm not quite ready to do so yet, either, but there are interesting things happening today thanks to the scumflip.) All I've said so far is I still scumread Marci and I'm FoSing Luke a little bit and Hectic a lot right now.In post 601, Toogeloo wrote:I'm slightly curious where I disappeared to in Pavowski's reads. I was a bottom two for them before T3 was shot, then completely excluded from the reads after.
You're on the rise today, though. Probably slightly north of null at the mo. - Pavowski
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