Micro 1061: If Trees Could Scream [Game Over]
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Is the ircher read serious?In post 39, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
Are you the other arsonist?In post 37, Ircher wrote:Wagons are a good way. How about a Don Draper one?
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Why not Draper?In post 46, Ircher wrote:If not Draper, how about Porkens?- Vanderscamp
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In post 57, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
There isn’t but suggesting a wagon on me for literally no reason is hella scummy don’t you think?In post 44, Vanderscamp wrote:I see that it is.
Is there some history between you two where Ircher frequently goes after you as scum?
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In post 58, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
What do you expect me to be doing at this early stage ib the game and how is it in anyway unusual for me to be suss on anyone who either votes or advocates wagonong me for no good reason? This makes me even more confident on this read because you know there is nothing unusual about my reaction.In post 45, Titus wrote:
What does the stump mechanic have to deal with my expectations for you? Even now, you aren't doing much. Your two scumreads happen to be the two people voting you.In post 38, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:VOTE: Titus
Day literally just started and you yourself noted the stump mechanic, so dislike your reasoning.
I feel like there's always one player each game who hard OMGUSes an RVS vote, so I don't think your reaction is super scummy, but I also just don't really get the perspective.
If someone suggested wagoning someone else would you still hate it or is it just because it's you?- Vanderscamp
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What do you think you've done that should make anyone get a read on you?In post 68, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:I definitely believe you’re not Pooky now because he actually has reads that are good.
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In post 87, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
Interesting. I could see arsonist!Titus possible naked voting a buddy like that but I’d want to heat more. What do you dislike about Vanderscamp?In post 84, furtiveglance wrote:Herta, Porkens, Titus and Vanderscamp has 2 Arsonists.
He’s obviously incorrect to characterize Titus’ vote on me as rvs but I think Titus is extremely likely to be scum because she tends to be a lot less tunnelled as town, especially this early. She pushed a town pr really hard in some game where she was scum in a game with town!Math, so this is more likely than not, her scum meta here.
Yeah I think I was conflating Ircher's comment on you which you also responded negatively to.
In my mind it's fairly similar, it's more the sentiment of hard omgusing someone super early and creating this death tunnel which I don't find super productive.- Vanderscamp
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Why not?In post 88, furtiveglance wrote:Vanderscamp is just being reasonable and asking questions, not really towny or scummy, but the vote on Ircher looked a bit quick to me, I don't think Ircher is an Arsonist
I can buy not agreeing with me but I can't imagine why anyone would have a town read there. I think Ircher is easily the scummiest person in the thread atm for seeing what Don Draper was doing to anyone who expressed any kind of suspicion on them at all and then just backing out.
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When Ircher talked about doing a different wagon you had called the two people who put any pressure on you at all the scum team, for the reason that they had put pressure on you.In post 104, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
Ircher has some familiarity with my meta, so I’m currently on the fence about that and who exactly is “anyone”? Ircher only advocated wagonnong me after Titus made that ridiculous vote on me. One player /= ANYONE.In post 100, Vanderscamp wrote:
Why not?In post 88, furtiveglance wrote:Vanderscamp is just being reasonable and asking questions, not really towny or scummy, but the vote on Ircher looked a bit quick to me, I don't think Ircher is an Arsonist
I can buy not agreeing with me but I can't imagine why anyone would have a town read there. I think Ircher is easily the scummiest person in the thread atm for seeing what Don Draper was doing to anyone who expressed any kind of suspicion on them at all and then just backing out.
To me that implies the wagon was less important to Ircher than how they are perceived in thread.
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So what have you done that you think Pooky should read you correctly for?In post 102, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
My point is that Pooky’s very good at reading me.In post 97, Vanderscamp wrote:
What do you think you've done that should make anyone get a read on you?In post 68, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:I definitely believe you’re not Pooky now because he actually has reads that are good.
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This is quite a scummy take; I want specifically Ircher and I think I've done a pretty good job explaining why, and I haven't even voted anywhere else.In post 110, Titus wrote:
I'll give you Vanderscamp as possible scum here. Hard to explain but I don't like their posturing and they were on the fast Ircher wagon. Feels like they want anyone and are floating.In post 84, furtiveglance wrote:Herta, Porkens, Titus and Vanderscamp has 2 Arsonists.- Vanderscamp
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Can you explain this, if you haven't already?In post 112, Titus wrote:
Although I had no intent on voting Ircher, I feel like we got info from it. Regardless of Ircher's alignment, likely one scum in it.In post 95, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
I can’t say, I’m currently nullreading them but I don’t like Ircher being at E-1. In SS’ game, a player was put to e-1 and self-hammered on d1, they were town. Early day 1 flashwagons more than not tend to be town. I don’t see any reason to rush the vote regardless.In post 93, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:SO DOES THIS POST MAKE PORKENS TREE GOOD OR BAD?
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Lol okIn post 113, Titus wrote:
Yeah, Vanderscamp is the partner.In post 101, Vanderscamp wrote:I think Titus is scummier than Don and they're pretty clearly not together. But I could def see this as town vs town
Sign seal deliver.
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People really suck at reading me early game so I wouldn't read too much into thisIn post 170, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
I MEAN, "DIFFICULT-TO-FORM-AN-OPINION-ON" MIGHT BE THE TREE TO AXE RIGHT NOWIn post 169, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
I THINK NOT HAVING AN OPINION MIGHT BE THE KIND OF TREE THE ARSONIST APPEARS TO BEIn post 167, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:If there’s a world where Titus is actually moonlogicy tunnelled town here. then I probably wouldn’t trust their reads in much. I don’t really have an opinion on Vanderscamp yet. I previously played with him in Koba’s neighbour game. Yes, I’m Loki.- Vanderscamp
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I'd reevaluate your process for coming to this POE.In post 174, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
I DON'T PREFER EITHER I SUSPECT BOTH NOW THROUGH POE. TITUS IS DOWN FOR VANDER SO I ASK DON X MISTRESS BECAUSE IF BOTH WANT THEN IT'S EASIER TO PUSH THROUGH.In post 173, furtiveglance wrote:
I thought you wanted Porkens.....explain why you now prefer VanderIn post 157, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:HEY MISTRESS DO YOU WANT TO DOGPILE ON VANDER? I AM RUNNING OUT OF SUSPECTS. IM DOWN TO VANDER AND PORKENS.
Herta in particular, wtf has that slot done to seem town?- Vanderscamp
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In post 179, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
IM NOT CONVINCED TITUS IS SUS THOUGH. IF SHE IS FIGHTING WITH NANCY TO CREATE DRAMA IT CAN BACKFIRE AND IS LOT OF WORK. MORE LIKELY PARANOID TOWN.In post 175, furtiveglance wrote:
Titus is sus though. Don't you agree that Enchant/Herta are bad scumreads?In post 174, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
I DON'T PREFER EITHER I SUSPECT BOTH NOW THROUGH POE. TITUS IS DOWN FOR VANDER SO I ASK DON X MISTRESS BECAUSE IF BOTH WANT THEN IT'S EASIER TO PUSH THROUGH.In post 173, furtiveglance wrote:
I thought you wanted Porkens.....explain why you now prefer VanderIn post 157, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:HEY MISTRESS DO YOU WANT TO DOGPILE ON VANDER? I AM RUNNING OUT OF SUSPECTS. IM DOWN TO VANDER AND PORKENS.
IF U R TALKING ABOUT PORKENS, PORKENS ALSO WANTED IRCHER BEFORE THAT. SO THEY WANT IRCHER THEN ENCHANT/HERTA. NOT A GOOD LOOK.
The first paragraph is also my reasoning on Ircher.
Ircher saw what was happening with Titus/Don and immediately noped out of that.
So why is Ircher town?- Vanderscamp
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Were we both town in that game?In post 180, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
Vanderscamp doesn’t sound really completely different here than in the neighbour game. He also gave me __ in that for omgussing nearly every player who sr me. I would really like to discuss with Auro his Ircher read before I do anything. I’m still not convinced that Titus is this bad at reading me.In post 157, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:HEY MISTRESS DO YOU WANT TO DOGPILE ON VANDER? I AM RUNNING OUT OF SUSPECTS. IM DOWN TO VANDER AND PORKENS.
I think you're probably the towniest person in the thread but if I really did give you shit for OMGUSing in that game and you were town there then that makes you even townier.- Vanderscamp
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In post 187, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
MY OPINION IS THAT VANDER HAS AN AGENDA IN THIS GAME, THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO HIDE IT. I BELIEVE PORKENS-VANDER IS AT LEAST 50%.In post 185, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:I think scum is more likely to have an agenda.
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I NOT SHEEP, I LISTEN. I HAVE POE LOCKDOWN ON PORKENS AND VANDER.
I'm pretty confused what you're trying to say hereIn post 192, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
WE KNOW HE SHOW AGGRESSION AS TOWNIn post 191, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
???In post 183, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
MAYBE THIS IS A CLUEIn post 180, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:He also gave me __ in that for omgussing nearly every player who sr me.
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In post 210, Titus wrote:I didn't say Huerta was scum. I doubt they are. I just don't have enough to declare a townread yet.
Vander is poking around the sidelines. His post on you v me was very bad. He didn't say we were t v t. He said it was possible. His post was designed to flip me first before flipping you. It made it clear he really doesn't want to flip you, yet he doesn't want to call you town.
The charade is pushing me as scum.
You STILL have no analysis. No thought process beyond someone voting you is scum.
Yeah I think you could be t v t or t v s.
I do think Don is town and I don't like the things you have said recently that I've commented on (your read on me trying to get any wagon and your analysis of the Ircher voters)
I vaguely like your confidence that I am scum but overall I sr you.
If I really wanted to flip you both, I would not be advocating that it's very possibly t v t, I'd say something like "yeah Don, I agree with you that Titus is not this bad at reading you, which makes me think one of you is scum," but I don't actually think this is the case so I'm not saying it.- Vanderscamp
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I'm waffling on Titus.In post 229, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:I'M STARTING TO COME AROUND TO SCUM TITUS
At this stage I'd probably rather flip a random person who hasn't said much of substance like porkens or herta because I'm giving credence to the fact that Titus is choosing to engage in a battle with someone, but I also have questions about his analysis. In particular I don't understand coming to the conclusion that the Ircher wagon contains scum regardless of Ircher's alignment and am very keen to hear his reasoning.- Vanderscamp
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Sorry for the misgendering, Titus is a fairly common male name in Germany so I just used male by default.In post 238, Titus wrote:Well Vander hasn't been here for ages and has little attention to detail.
1) Vander is not familiar with me.
A) He used male pronouns for me repeatedly. I am a woman.
B) He doesn't appear to know I do wagonomics.
2) He doesn't have attention to detail because my pronouns are listed with every post.
That forces me to consider the possibility that I misattributed a level of precision and deliberateness due to Vander playing nearly as long as I have.
I've played something like 600 games total across sites since about my registration date, but only about 10 on this site and am pretty unfamiliar with specific player meta.- Vanderscamp
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This feels realIn post 240, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:In post 226, Titus wrote:
I have detailed almost every post with a reach out and my expectations if you were town, only to get shot down each time. When I suspect town!Nancy, town!Nancy engages on my reads. Town!Nancy does more than OMGUS.In post 211, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
If you actually believe this and are actually not bsing me, then you’re clearly not reading. And where’s YOUR analysis on us? I’m still waiting.In post 210, Titus wrote:I didn't say Huerta was scum. I doubt they are. I just don't have enough to declare a townread yet.
Vander is poking around the sidelines. His post on you v me was very bad. He didn't say we were t v t. He said it was possible. His post was designed to flip me first before flipping you. It made it clear he really doesn't want to flip you, yet he doesn't want to call you town.
The charade is pushing me as scum.
You STILL have no analysis. No thought process beyond someone voting you is scum.
If we’re actually wrong on you, you thus far have given me no reason to think so and you continuing to insist we’re scum when if anyone I would expect to be correctly reading us here is YOU, is not doing anything to change my mind.
I know you read me wrong in Anything uPick but I attributed that to Cheeky but here you’re actually reading ME wrong and you haven’t done that in like forever.
Despite me putting out multiple reasoned reads, I get zero questions or reasoned reads from you.Then you’re not reading. I honestly can’t tell anymore if you’re seriously this tunnelled you are missing the obvious or you’re scum but I know what you’re saying isn’t true but what I’m not sure is if you actually believe what you’re saying or not. I don’t agree with your reads especially the one on me obviously, so I don’t even understand what you’re talking about anymore. I’m telling you I’m town here. Whether or not you choose to believe that or not is no longer my concern. I feel like engaging with you any further would be about as productive as watching pain dry because you literally aren’t listening to anything I’m saying and everyone else in the thread can see what you’re saying about me is wrong, so you’re either not reading my posts or you’re scum because I don’t understand why you keep saying the things you are otherwise?- Vanderscamp
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It does but it's there whether we like it or notIn post 246, Enchant wrote:Meta sucks though- Vanderscamp
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In post 254, furtiveglance wrote:We're back on!
I was worried it was just on my end!- Vanderscamp
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In post 256, Titus wrote:VOTE: Bear
If we aren't limming the whining player, then let's go after the sheep stirring up drama and sneaking his vote.
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In post 269, Titus wrote:
Not without yelling and dominating. There's also the fact that Enchant is obvtown. Do you really expect Bear to be able to push a case where little to no evidence exists and there's meta evidence for town Enchant?In post 260, furtiveglance wrote:
Do you think Scrrrdbear 'couldn't get' Enchant/Porkens? I'm still voting PorkensIn post 259, Titus wrote:Scum will favor lurker pushes here. Lurkers are more likely to give up if miseliminated. Only if scum can't get a lurker will they push active people. Hence why I FoS Bear there.
Porkens might be an easier sell but still would require a dramatic shift.
Third, hard pushing a lurker might draw them to play. Scum want lurkers to lurk.
What's the meta evidence for town enchant?
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I like this readIn post 281, Enchant wrote:
Imo i know it's on level of insane telling, but it's probably real arsonist will not ask, because these REALLY draw hate, for reasoning that that's what arsonists asks to be as most distant with role mentally.In post 131, Herta wrote:Why don't the arsonists have a faction name?- Vanderscamp
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For serious?In post 339, Porkens wrote:Scum theatre?- Vanderscamp
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Very much agreeIn post 351, Titus wrote:I have to be able to call a spade a spade. That's reality.
Anyway, Herta's last post looks rather tmi.
VOTE: Herta- Vanderscamp
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This is my list except swapping you for Titus.In post 347, Herta wrote:I will vote ircher Titus or porkens.
Nothing is really happening to make me change my mind on the general consensus being a good one, recent posts make me like porkens less- Vanderscamp
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I don't think Ircher has to be scum, it just sounded like a fake reason to read Ircher as town this early in the game.In post 375, furtiveglance wrote:
Herta, not Porkens.In post 374, furtiveglance wrote:
This is the post in question. Are you guys saying Porkens knows Ircher is scum and setting us up while finding a justification to not scumread Ircher without directly townreading Ircher?In post 349, Herta wrote:
If ircher scum I'd look at furtivegalance draper or enchant as partner so I don't think ircher as scummy now since I townread those three.In post 327, Ircher wrote:
From town to scum:In post 321, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:@Ircher, who do you sr other than Titus and who are your townreads?
~Nancy
Ircher
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Could be either!In post 379, furtiveglance wrote:Ok so Herta's TMI is that Ircher is town
The TMI might be that Ircher isn't with any of the remaining players for TMI reasons, but Ircher is still scum with Herta.- Vanderscamp
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The biggest conclusion is probably that the three people that could have been with Ircher but were too towny are all town.In post 386, Vanderscamp wrote:
Could be either!In post 379, furtiveglance wrote:Ok so Herta's TMI is that Ircher is town
The TMI might be that Ircher isn't with any of the remaining players for TMI reasons, but Ircher is still scum with Herta.- Vanderscamp
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I don't agree with your first paragraphIn post 380, furtiveglance wrote:
Usually with TMI arguments the player accused has something to gain from townreading town e.g. towncredIn post 379, furtiveglance wrote:Ok so Herta's TMI is that Ircher is town
But Ircher isn't really close to being voted out or anything.
Is it just that it's a bad reason to townread someone and that's sus?- Vanderscamp
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The same reason any scum gives reads.In post 390, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
Why does scum!Herta make that post though? At any rate my initial sr on Ircher has pretty much taken a nosedive, have no idea what Auro thinks about it.In post 386, Vanderscamp wrote:
Could be either!In post 379, furtiveglance wrote:Ok so Herta's TMI is that Ircher is town
The TMI might be that Ircher isn't with any of the remaining players for TMI reasons, but Ircher is still scum with Herta.- Vanderscamp
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Why is it a death sentence?In post 397, Enchant wrote:I would be reluctant vote one of non-voters as mafia atleast. It's like death sentence (depends).- Vanderscamp
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How can you say that after saying this?:In post 405, furtiveglance wrote:Porkens wagon lookin kinda clean thooo
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I was saying that I would rather kill Ircher than a null, but a null over Titus.In post 409, Herta wrote:
I don't understand what Vanderscamp is saying and what scrrdbear is doing here.In post 237, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
FOCUS ON FIRE PREVENTION.In post 236, Vanderscamp wrote:The above meaning that I would rather flip a lurkerish null than Titus but not more than Ircher.
I like Don and bear, and mild town on furtive.
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No clue.In post 417, Titus wrote:I'd like if everyone answered a question: Do you think any bus votes have happened on any wagon excluding mine? (I know I'm town so I know mine can't be bussing.)- Vanderscamp
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I don't understand your third paragraph at all.In post 441, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:Well I really can’t tell rn if Porkens is scum or checked out town. In my experience, they are usually more obvious as scum but I haven’t played with them in quite awhile. I would expect scum in this game to be trying a bit harder because there’s only two of them.
It concerns me that Porkens isn’t really too worried about the possibility of being run up. Auro hasn’t expressed any concern about them.
It’s obviously not good that they aren’t giving reads but my theory is if Porkens is actually scum their buddy would most likely be bussing them but I think with only two scum, it’s hard to believe that scum would bus on d1 unless they absolutely had too.
I still want that readslist from them but I still am the most suspicious of Titus.- Vanderscamp
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WtfIn post 468, Herta wrote:
I don't really get this, but it shows I guess genuine thoughtfulness rather than the manipulation vibes I'm getting from Titus.In post 461, Porkens wrote:Actually that’s wrong. I wouldn’t be happy to eliminate anyone. I have preferences of who I’d like to eliminate but they aren’t based on town/scum reads.
Like: Don Draper x Mistress (hydra of Nancy Drew 39 and Auro)
Love: Porkens
Wary: furtiveglance
Impatient: Herta
Enchanted: Vanderscamp
Wary: Ircher
Like: Titus
Wary: Enchant
Tempted: SCRRRDBEAR
VOTE: titus
How can you townread that post?- Vanderscamp
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VOTE: HertaIn post 469, Herta wrote:In post 457, Porkens wrote:I’ll think about it.In post 460, Porkens wrote:Nope, everyone is 50/50
This is part of it. The timing of these posts show Porkens is thinking about the game. Could be scum, but I think it's enough for Day 1.In post 461, Porkens wrote:Actually that’s wrong. I wouldn’t be happy to eliminate anyone. I have preferences of who I’d like to eliminate but they aren’t based on town/scum reads.
Like: Don Draper x Mistress (hydra of Nancy Drew 39 and Auro)
Love: Porkens
Wary: furtiveglance
Impatient: Herta
Enchanted: Vanderscamp
Wary: Ircher
Like: Titus
Wary: Enchant
Tempted: SCRRRDBEAR
This is absurd
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I don't think Titus is super town or anything but at least he's actively engaging in conflict in a game where relatively very few people are doing so.
I think scum are people like Ircher/Herta/Porkens who are just sitting back and chilling and letting Don/Titus waste time with a tunnel on each other.
I think Herta has given multiple really suspect reads and I would love to kill that slot today.- Vanderscamp
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There's nothing at all in porkens' post that shows he's thinking about the game.In post 487, Herta wrote:
Explain the tmi here.In post 485, Vanderscamp wrote:
VOTE: HertaIn post 469, Herta wrote:In post 457, Porkens wrote:I’ll think about it.In post 460, Porkens wrote:Nope, everyone is 50/50
This is part of it. The timing of these posts show Porkens is thinking about the game. Could be scum, but I think it's enough for Day 1.In post 461, Porkens wrote:Actually that’s wrong. I wouldn’t be happy to eliminate anyone. I have preferences of who I’d like to eliminate but they aren’t based on town/scum reads.
Like: Don Draper x Mistress (hydra of Nancy Drew 39 and Auro)
Love: Porkens
Wary: furtiveglance
Impatient: Herta
Enchanted: Vanderscamp
Wary: Ircher
Like: Titus
Wary: Enchant
Tempted: SCRRRDBEAR
This is absurd
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I've talked about this earlier, your post where you say that someone only has three specific scum partners and you townread all three of them, therefore that person is towny, is just way too confident a read that anyone could be making at this point in the game. You have to be confident in so many different things for that read to apply, and it's not like you've been confident enough to be able to push hard against anyone in particular.In post 488, Herta wrote:
Suspect reads as in what you think are wrong reads or suspect reads as in fake reads. If they're wrong reads, so? and if they're fake reads, explain what clues you in to them being fake.In post 486, Vanderscamp wrote:I don't think Titus is super town or anything but at least he's actively engaging in conflict in a game where relatively very few people are doing so.
I think scum are people like Ircher/Herta/Porkens who are just sitting back and chilling and letting Don/Titus waste time with a tunnel on each other.
I think Herta has given multiple really suspect reads and I would love to kill that slot today.
I think you're giving out fake good reads. - Vanderscamp
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