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We should VOTE: iconeum for an

iconic

D1 lynch!

Damnit this was my line.

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VOTE: Chemist

No idea whyd you wanna vote for the guy that's lock town. I won't be around most of today. Got a family thing then trying to play on Mars with the wife so I will be in and out. I have a feeling I'm gonna come back to like 20 pages.

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The last two were BP.

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Oh, so the hydra is hectic +1

That may be right. He did that same gambit with me in the Radja game we played together.

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VOTE: datisi

Let’s lynch the mod guys

Power to the people

Scum and town unite against moderation teams

Hmm.. this isnt normally something you do as town.

VOTE: Mena

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Also AaronFrost’s first post is making me think of this thread but I dunno if it applies to someone who isn’t a newb

after checking some meta I have concluded that this is NAI cuz AF did it as both town and scum

Also I legitimately want to know what was going through Chemist's head when he wrote post 19 and voted someone he just called conftown.

VOTE: datisi

Let’s lynch the mod guys

Power to the people

Scum and town unite against moderation teams

Hmm.. this isnt normally something you do as town.

VOTE: Mena

which hydra head posted this and how scummy do you actually consider this to be

BP wrote it. I thought I indicated that it was just barely over the line. Chemists is worse, but it seemed like it had to be a joke, everything so far is around the null line.

BP

Whoops, hydra slip.

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@HH, what's the how in reference to?

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VOTE: Emps

I didn't realize this was your first post, why is this your entrance on page 3?

BP

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Getting some scum vibes from this guy

VOTE: Alduskkel

Where are the scum vibes coming from?

BP

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Like damn. Everyone is in here joking around and multiple people have been less productive than our slot and Iconeum shitpushes us on some terrible/fake logic.

That doesn't sit right with me.

-X

Let's assume you're right, that theres other less productive slots than you. If so, why is it scum indicative for Icon to push you. IIRC, you dont have any votes on you yet. So hes leading the wagon on you at the moment? What's the scum motivation there?

BP

no, i'm voting you because i have a feeling that your entire rvs phase so far feels ungenuine

do you have a problem with that?

yeah. It's a load of BS. There's no way you genuinely feel that way about our slot over others.

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It's not a random vote, so yeah.

I dislike the lack of commital to an actual vote. Emps jumped on the meme without actually doing anything.

Because scum would rather be non-commital and not get involved in having to come up with BS explanations for their actions. If they're scum, this gives Emps an easy start to the game so they can read and react later on.

Too bad I called it out.

i like this thinking for town

This is literally why I asked emps to make a real vote. Even though you didn't know that, I was pushing the slot to do something, which was blatantly obvious, and you pick us out of the bunch for "not doing anything" to paraphrase.

There's a huge difference in how Uncrowned reads here, as opposed to your 'emps real vote plz'

one reads genuine, the other, well, not

What do you mean by it doesnt read genuine? I'm a little more concerned that HH is now trying to take credit for a push/prod of Emps, w/o voting him, while Uncrowned at least committed to voting him. Even the naked vote he explained as a kind of reaction test.

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I screwed up 223. The part in the middle was me. It's this part:

Let's assume you're right, that theres other less productive slots than you. If so, why is it scum indicative for Icon to push you. IIRC, you dont have any votes on you yet. So hes leading the wagon on you at the moment? What's the scum motivation there?

BP

That's directed at HH.

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by the way statistically emps is conftown this game

What does this mean?

BP

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like seriously

that would be his 5th(?) scumgame in a row?

Oh, nvm.

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come at me bro

why am i scum?

cuz you can't explain your scumread on HH and you're trying to discredit him

Menalque what's your take on HH vs Ico

This feels like you misrepping Icon. At one point in that exchange, he literally said he wasnt sure whether the OMGUS was more likely to come from scum or town. Also, why does scum!Icon try to build a push from 0 on a guy in a mostly passive gamestate that only became active when he started the push?

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Mena you're not helping

Ico:
116: calling a vote an OMGUS vote implies that the person behind the vote was just voting you for a shallow/petty reason
119: implies that HH cannot read you and the use of the word "actually" implies that HH is foolish for even thinking they can read you

pedit:

i've literally just explained what I think is disengenuis about it

no you didn't you just said it was a "feeling"

also I already quoted the posts where I thought you were trying to discredit

that's not true

i said i think UC's explanation is very townie, and that the way HH went about 'pushing emps to do something usefull' is where scum can come from while taking the same stand

both did the same thing

i think one could come from scum, the other from town and i showed you why and how i think that

and yeah sure a lot of it is feeling

what you expect, a full fledged scumread (which I never said I have on HH) during RVS?

what is the problem exactly if it even is just a feeling that i can't explain?

you never really said "why and how" you think that

I don't expect a full fledged scumread but a scum is more likely than town to be unable to explain their supposed "feeling"

Do you think it was NOT omgus?

No, just because HH voted for you after you voted them doesn't automatically make it OMGUS. They had reasons for voting you outside of simply "because you voted for us."

pedit 2: jesus so many posts

but yes I agree Menalque should just say what his read is already

What do you think HH's reasons for voting Icon were?

BP

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I don't expect a full fledged scumread but a scum is more likely than town to be unable to explain their supposed "feeling"

so you think scum will put out half-edged 'feeling' faked scumreads just for shits and giggles this early, that they have no way of explaining

or maybe it's town, who doesn't care about that because they are only interested in finding scum and don't mind putting out feelings that they maybe can't fully explain

you make up your mind about that

well if the alternative is looking like you're not scumhunting at all then yes I think scum might do that

plus maybe you didn't think you'd be called out for an explanation

He came into a dead gamestate where there were 3 pages and no one had posted in 12 hours. You think hes scum worried about getting called out for not scum hunting in that gamestate?

What's your read of HH Aldus?

BP

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Thinking Icon is town. His interactions with HH show me that hes not too quick to react, hes continuing to sort while pushing, that gives me good feelings inside.

I dont see the scum motivation for Icon coming into the game and starting a push on HH. HH's quick reaction reeked of survivalism and I dont know if that's more likely to come from scum or town. I felt like 135 was a bit too self aware for town though. @HH have I hydra'd with one of your heads before?

I've got Aldus as null-scum here. I think that increases drastically if HH is scum. There was a defense of HH that read as pretty strong to me. He was insisting HH had reasons for voting Icon and that it was unfair to classify that vote as OMGUS, but I didnt see it from my read. I also think he misrepped what Icon was doing at one point wrt to the HH slot.

Mena is pinging me. Hes been posting alot, but it's been weird. This whole thing with the mod is just weird. Haven't played with scum!Mena before, but this doesnt feel like his town game.

I liked uncrowned's explanation, but he could probably post a bit more.

This game could definitely use some more posting.

VOTE: Aldus That's L-2.

@Aaron- forgot you were in the game. You're on this wagon, what do you make of the past 5 pages of interactions.

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Whats weird about my posting/the thing with datisi

At one point you literally went to that meme when there was real game content between Aldus and Icon.

Also, I've never seen you commit this hard to in-game developing stuff in one of your town games.

Also, I think you've been generally poking the low content slots which after playing a game against feels like it could be a way to score easy town points early. I also dont remember you playing that way in either of the newbies we played together.

I also dont know what you got out of that exchange with Icon in asking him your record of reading him correctly.

It's weird. Dont know if its AI, but I dont remember anything comparable from your towngames. I do remember you saying in the last game that you had changed your play, so imma see how this unfolds.

BP

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Whats weird about my posting/the thing with datisi

(1) At one point you literally went to that meme when there was real game content between Aldus and Icon.

(2) Also, I've never seen you commit this hard to in-game developing stuff in one of your town games.

Also, I think you've been generally poking the low content slots

(3) which after playing a game against feels like it could be a way to score easy town points early

. I also dont remember you playing that way in either of the newbies we played together.

(4) I also dont know what you got out of that exchange with Icon in asking him your record of reading him correctly.

It's weird. Dont know if its AI, but I dont remember anything comparable from your towngames. I do remember you saying in the last game that you had changed your play, so imma see how this unfolds.

BP

(1) and?

(2) and?

(3) what do you mean here?

(4) what's your point?

1) fine, 2) if I'm seeing something from this game that I hadn't seen in any of your town games I think that's meaningful. Doesnt have to be AI, but to suggest that its meaningless?
3) I took out the reference to playing with scumVork, because that distracted a game before, but you were in that game, it was Haunted Village. He poked and prodded the low content slots for cheap town points.

4) I felt like you interacted with Icon while Aldus was interacting with him in a way that was weird and I didnt see how it was sorting. I mean, do you, but I didnt feel like it was game advancing.

Your interaction with Emps feels more genuine
BP

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aff = aaronfuckingfrost

also dw about that I'm a serial killer vote absorber -- everyone I kill at night doubles my votes the next day

This math doesnt track though. Unless you want to no lynch.

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@BP

What do you mean by "commit this hard to in-game developing stuff?"

where do I suggest that it's meaningless?

wrt vork, firstly, I'm not vork. and what he did was more than that, he spent a lot of time setup speccing to try and look like he was genuinely concerned about figuring scum's choices while not spending time scumhunting. do you think I'm not scum hunting?

why does you not being able to see how it was sorting mean that it's not sorting?

Oh, that was an autocorrect error. In-game developing stuff should read non-game developing stuff.

Not sure you suggested that its meaningless, but a campaign against the mod isnt exactly scumhunting. Like I said, your interaction with emps felt like it was scumhunting. That was the first time I got that feeling from your content though.

And yes, me not seeing how something is sorting doesnt make it not sorting, which is why your slot isnt much to me at the moment. I'm pretty sure you're the leading poster, but the first positive content I saw from your slot was the stuff with Emps.

BP

BP

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AF/HH/Aldus

both scum are in there

sorry to steal your thunder Menal

Wildly and spectacularly inaccurate but thanks for playing

Want to share your solve with the rest of the class?

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Hey you got one, can the crusade against the mod stop now?

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A little, yes because I think you're trying to distract from any conversation that is happening at the moment.

Like I get that if you're good friends with the mod and you want to joke around 'lynching them to overthrow them' during early game then that's fine, but you continuing to do it once we were out of RVS was a little sketchy imo.

Ugh. . . God I hate this like weird thing on this site where people comment on either the premature termination of or the artificial extension of RVS. Theres not like a clear line of demarcation of when RVS is either happening or over. I legit want to study whether the first person that makes a comment one way or the other about RVS is a town or scum tell, because it happens in almost every game I'm in, and for some reason I haven't checked whether it comes more often from scum or town, but it becomes like a 2 or 3 page distraction every time someone brings it up. Can we please not do that here?

BP

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Like if you want to argue that it’s scum indicative for me you need to have a clear reason for why that particular behaviour is more likely to come from scum!me than town!me

What benefit do I get?

Also why would scum!me want to distract in that conversation?

Scum!you would want to do that if your partner wasnt handling themselves well and they were involved in the conversation, but it would be super sus, especially after a flip, so overall I'm leaning towards this being too attention grabby for your scumplay, particularly after the postgame conversation in Newbie 1971. That and your interaction after us are why I felt like it wasnt scum indicative for you.

I'm curious why Aaron went back and talked about it though. @Aaron, you caught up yet? Also Mena, you heard from Aaron, where are your reads at?

BP

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Why would that be any sort of tell vs completely NAI

Was that a question to me?

BP

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Why would that be any sort of tell vs completely NAI

Was that a question to me?

BP

Yes

I dont know if it is, that's why I want to look into it. I didnt think greeting the thread would be slightly indicative of scum, but it is. So I'd like to see if this thing I see alot in virtually all my games is indicative of either alignment.

BP

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AF/HH/Aldus

both scum are in there

sorry to steal your thunder Menal

How do I got from being townread to suddenly being in your scumpool?

Good point, I had to iso you because I forgot you had AFF as a townread early, but you did. Can you walk me through this progression?

BP

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Like if you want to argue that it’s scum indicative for me you need to have a clear reason for why that particular behaviour is more likely to come from scum!me than town!me

What benefit do I get?

Also why would scum!me want to distract in that conversation?

Scum!you would want to do that if your partner wasnt handling themselves well and they were involved in the conversation,

but it would be super sus, especially after a flip, so overall I'm leaning towards this being too attention grabby for your scumplay, particularly after the postgame conversation in Newbie 1971. That and your interaction after us are why I felt like it wasnt scum indicative for you.

I'm curious why Aaron went back and talked about it though. @Aaron, you caught up yet? Also Mena, you heard from Aaron, where are your reads at?

BP

Your logic is that if my partner was fucking up in a TvS that my reaction would be to meme vote the mod?

You wanted to know the benefit. Yes, that's the logic for why it would be a benefit, but that's not how I think you would play scum.

BP

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@Mena - so rather than have other people ascribe intentions to your play, I'm interested to know what you think you got out of it?

BP

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@Mena - both things. 1) the exchange with Icon where you asked him about your record in reading him; 2) your mod vote and continuing it.

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Also, I’m willing to reveal scum number 1!

VOTE: uncrowned

This is spicy. Why?

BP

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I also feel like your play in 1971 is different. You werent really memey at all from what I can remember. Three of these things are about his response to meming. You really think his response is that AI?

I feel like uncrowned is town, but you reminded me about the hh/icon thing, I wanna go check his response to that.

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@Uncrowned, you said you were 2 for 2 on picking out scummy entrances from one player, who you talking about with that comment?

BP

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Spoiler:

VOTE: skitt

Srs vote

U should vote skitter bc she’s conf!scum

I’m a cop and I have a night 0 guilty on her

My role PM said “you are a sane cop who gets a N0 check and is bulletproof and who is a D3 innocent child”

My role pm also said “you may copy and paste all of this information into the thread because you’re a special boy and I luv u

Signed,

Dad

P.s. ur town”

Mason obviously

How can we solve this game?

Or should I say

HOW CAN WE SOLVE THIS GAME?

quack

Qft

quack?

quack! Quack-quack!!

Spoiler:

Yeah I wasn’t meme-y at all in 1971 ur right

Holy shit, I didnt remember any of that. I'm gonna blame that on missing RVS that game. By the time I replaced in, you were serious.

Bp

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As in, you defending uncrowned

Honestly if uncrowned flips scum and I'm defending scum D1 again, I think I'm gonna quit mafia.

BP

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AFF, icon - town
Emps, Aldus, HH - prob town
Chem - null town
Lamist - prob scum
Uncrowned - scum

Can you case me?

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Ico/HH was very clearly AI and town looking at that draws conclusions about alignments

They may be wrong conclusions, but they draw conclusions

Your failure to even try to do that, and to put the focus back towards emps in lieu of focusing on productive content is scum!inficstive for you

What conclusions did you draw from HH/icon?

Whoops, slipped again. Sorry Datisi.

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I’m assuming you mean 339

In which case you haven’t because

pushing meme-y non-commitsl content is one of te number 1 things that scum do

Man, I think you guys are using this phrase differently.

@Mena - what do you mean by that phrase.
@uncrowned - what did you mean by it when you used it?

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Page 15 - uncrowned is like spewing town here. Mena I really dont understand this push.

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@Aldus, I find you genuinely scummier than HH at the moment. AMD I think it's a misrep to suggest that most of my concerns with your slot revolve around HH. Yeah, if that were true, then flipping that slot first would make sense, but that's not the issue.

It's also possible you're WKing HH in order to push Icon. And given what you just did with Mena wrt the uncrowned slot, I think that may be what's going on. You're gonna allow Mena to sell you on Icon town so you can sheep Mena.

You're saying that HH's vote was based on a double standard from Icon. What was the double standard and do you agree that Icon was holding him to a double standard?

BP

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Also, I’m willing to reveal scum number 1!

VOTE: uncrowned

Huh wild. I though Uncrowned was mildly townie for the most part.

Only post from them I didn't like was 203. He seems a little too confident in his emps read but then again Mena is apparently super confident in his Uncrowned read so I'm not sure that's AI.

I'm a little concerned how close this phrasing seems to parrot Mena's language, but I see him using that language wrt Mena in a way that Mena didnt discuss, so dont know that its AI.

BP

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Which phrase?

The one I bolded in the quote. Mena explained later, and I was wrong, he did mean what I think you meant by it.

BP

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Hey Emps sorry it's been a mix of holiday stuff and personal medical stuff. I checked in and saw BP was on top of things so I didn't feel pressure to add in. On top of which, my limited interaction turned catching up into a vast homework assignment. I promise I'll be back on my feet and full steam ahead after x-mas. I didn't even consider that my absence would be felt.

-Mad

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hh just feels kinda

weird

to me

idk how to properly explain it

VOTE: hh

@Emps - how did you get from 441 to 443?

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you manage to talk about me,

aaron

, emps,

AF

, and HH in those couple of posts while largely trying to shrug off the SR on you

Apparently I count as two people now

It's like a reverse hydra

But it didn't really help move us out of RVS? And no one else commented on it or took a stance on it. So it didn't actually accomplish anything.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I dunno, I just thought it might be a way to get an early scumread. It's not my fault it turned out to be NAI.

What's a "vanity vote"? Is it scummy?

Idk if I used the term correctly but basically I thought he made the vote for looks without any real intention of it being wagoned/lynched. So yeah, it's scummy in the sense that I thought he was voting in a way that was conscious of his own image rather than to get something done.

But I am less sure of that now.
-X

Hmm, I don't get the impression that Menalque doesn't have the intention of making it a real wagon, but I guess we'll see what happens.

VOTE: chemist

I'm keeping this until he actually starts playing and makes a real vote. Emps is runner up as far as my vote is concerned. Haven't talked to Y in awhile though so this may change when that changes.
-X

boooo, lazy vote

I'll drop my list soon, gonna do a read through.

Aorn I'm most concerned about HH/Aldus/Chemist, I want to make it mypriority to sort those slots first before I do anything else

Then why are you still voting emps??

uncrowned is like spewing town here.

You're definitely gonna have to explain this one.

@Aldus, I find you genuinely scummier than HH at the moment. AMD I think it's a misrep to suggest that most of my concerns with your slot revolve around HH.

Ok, name the reasons you find me scummy that aren't related to HH.

You're saying that HH's vote was based on a double standard from Icon. What was the double standard and do you agree that Icon was holding him to a double standard?

Says HH doesn't have an "eye on doing something" but doesn't attack anyone else who might fit that description. And yeah I agree with that.

I'll get back to my 430 later, but as for HH situation, my read of you doesnt center on scum!HH. Yes, part of the situation is how you interacted with Icon over the HH slot, but then I saw an interaction from you with Mena wrt the
Icon slot where you were asking Mena to move you off the Icon slot. So I initially was concerned about you defending a partner, but after seeing you do something slightly different, you could be buddying both HH and Icon.

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If people are going to keep calling me scummy for trying to get slots that are voting the moderator to actually play the game then I'm not thinking this is gonna be a very productive day.
-X

May I direct you to today’s date

Yeah, you're hopping in to do this while you're voting the mod. Where are you at, cuz you're coasting at the moment?

BP

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VOTE: aldus

L1

Claim

You did this right after a VC, what was the point of this?

BP

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VOTE: icon

Man, between the holiday and the shorter prod timer, whoops. Werent you townreading Icon? What's up with the naked vote?

BP

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literally just noticed I'm not even at L-1 because Ico was already voting me when it made the L-1 vote

So why didn’t you claim if you hadn’t noticed beforehand?

This post pings me funny. You're off wagon but now you're shading him for not claiming when he wasnt at L-1. What's the point of this message?

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yeah I'm p sure chem is town

It started as a gut townread. What changed it?

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hh just feels kinda

weird

to me

idk how to properly explain it

VOTE: hh

@Emps - how did you get from 441 to 443?

441 was mostly just looking at the ico/hh thing that happened

and then 443 was after i isoed some ppl (including hh)

You did that in 6 minutes?

BP

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That's the third time I've been caught out by a fake vote / fake hammer. I hate myself.

But no, when I gave intent I didn't realize Ico's vote was fake.

Also now I don't feel like an Aldus lynch would be good. Feels like we've lingered around this long enough, the lack of real opposition towards it leads me to believe that scum would be okay with this lynch. Aldus hasn't been particularly scummy imo.

In your experience, do scum often offer resistance to wagons even if they're on scum? Because that hasn't been mine.

BP

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Can we talk about the fact that Iconeum is mirroring his scum play from Micro 900 and there are also a few players (Aaron and Chemist come to mind) who ~mysteriously~ townread icon? Also the dynamic between HH and Iconeum is looking kind of suspect. They had their little spat earlier, but then HH drifted into voting Chemist while Icon voted me. Since then they haven't really pushed each other at all, so it kinda looks like they were scumbuddies distancing.

@LAMIST and Uncrowned: What are your reads on Icon?
@Aaron and Chemist: Are you still townreading Icon? If so, how do you explain the fake L-1 and claim request?
@HH: Is Iconeum scummier or townier to you now compared to when you unvoted him?

I felt like he was town early on, because it's how I've seen him play town. But his demand that you claim and then nonchalantly refusing to provide an explanation to Mena on why he did that actually kinda jumps out as one of the scummier things that's happened all game. I'll have a bit more time tomorrow, so I'm probably gonna reread. I can explain why I felt like Uncrowned was spewing town too. It was mostly related to what felt like natural interactions and progressions though.

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Man, this game really slowed down. I honestly felt like Icon was town, but I do think pressing for an early claim is one of the scummier things that's happened so far. But I think Chemist defending this is also pretty weird behavior.

I'm having trouble getting reads and the lack of activity really isnt helping me.

Chemist, why are you defending Icon for pressing for an early claim. What makes you think that Aldus was gonna be the lynch, particularly when you werent voting him at the time.

@Mena - why are you townreading Chemist? Is it still just a gut read?

VOTE: Chemist

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Chem wagon bad

Vote icon

Any specifics as to why the wagon is bad? I mean it flared up real fast. That it or something more?

BP

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I think

Chem, uncrowned, aldus are all town

AF, HH are in my eh pile

LAMIST is probably scum and I’d actually vote there over icon due to him probably getting replaced but I cba to try to divert the wagon from icon to there

Icon is p likely scum but also not here and therefore potentially a bad lynch

Why am I scum now. Before you were talking about interactions with the Uncrowned slot, which you've now moved into the town category?

BP

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What town motivation does Chemist have for voting me/trying to get me to claim? What town motivation does Chemist have for having an inexplicable townread on Icon, someone you scumread? You say Chemist is asking questions but he's asked a grand total of 3 this game, and I'm not particularly impressed by them or his lack of followup on them.

I can explain it but only after you claim

and my Icon townread was because I liked his early reads

Damn man, you claimed VT already. What motivation could you possibly have for wanting him to claim? You said "reasons," but I need more, because this feels like evasion at the moment.

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Like I’m frustrated that he’s defending icon who *checks notes* made exactly the same move he did in his incredibly recent scum game, won’t get any traction as a wagon, hasn’t been townposting like uncrowned did after I voted him, and disappeared after brushing off making the exact same move he did as his incredibly recent scumgame

Why does scum!Icon make the same move two games in a row with similar playerlists?

Bc no one really SR him for it last game and he was able to push my mislynch from the reaction to it?

It did eventually get lynched in that game though.

I'm only asking because I'm still not convinced on scum!Icon yet and I'm trying to see it from your point of view. Like I could probably come around to it but like I also need it to answer the things directed towards it.

Why does town!Icon fake an L-1 and push for an early claim? I mean hes at least voting Aldus at that time, but what's the town motivation there?

BP

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i'll bbl, full read will basically follow when i have time.

aaron, throw brain thoughts at me
chemist, get back to me
people tell me why you're voting chemist
mena have a reread of iconeum vs. avp scumconeum when you're sober; get back to me

I'm voting Chemist because he said he was reading Aldus as either a tpr or scum. Said claiming would lock in his read one way or the other and pressed him to claim early, despite not voting him and thinking hes a tpr. I dont see how that's town.

Pretty sure the duck is a good duck in this one.

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

vanity but i don't really want my vote on aldus aorn:
VOTE: emps

uhm whats aorn supposed to mean

also why u vanity voting close to deadline duckling

and who like says "oh yeah im making a vanity vote rn"

What's your read of TW at the moment?

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

Just saw the first page today, and I dont see why scum!uncrowned would false claim here, so I think that claim is believable. This is the first time that I've been playing with information like this before so I dont know exactly how to interpret it. With a town roleblocker, theres a 1 in 3 chance that theres a protective in this game. So 2 out of three times emps is scum, while 1 in 3 times a protective stopped the kill. So mechanically it seems like theres a 2 in three chance that emps is scum.

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

Official Vote Count 1.FINAL

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

Chemist1422

(5): Uncrowned, Look At Me Im So Town, emps, AaronFrost, the worst

[LYNCH]

emps

(1): Menalque

the worst

(1): Alduskkel

Alduskkel

(1): Chemist1422

Menalque

(1): HH

Not Voting

(0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-01-03 18:00:00).

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Pretty safe to assume if scum!emps then partner was not on the chem wagon.

Mena or aldu. Probably just an emps mena team to be honest.

-X

Why is it safe to assume that both werent on the wagon?

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

Yeah mena is probably the partner tbh, this is completely on par with how he would react as scum.

-X

Do you have experience with scum!Mena?

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

LAMIST why should I be townreading you?

I didnt give you flack for it D1, because you always scumread me D1. So I dont see you scumreading my style as scum!indicative for you. I've been scumhunting this game, I just messed up.

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

And if emps is caught then he wants to push mena/HH to happen because that potentially takes the heat off him and gets him to lylo

And how am I doing this exactly?

@Mena, I see him pushing scum!Mena, but how was he pushing scum!HH?

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

I do kind of get AFF town reads, I think he’s just being bad at the game

Dude if you are town here then you need to do a better job of convincing me that you're not emps's partner here, like in case it isn't obvious I haven't exactly been townreading you this game.

And if you legitimately think that I'm scum then you need to make an actual case against me instead of just shading me.

Why do you think he's Emps' partner here? What about his play has said that? You're putting the onus on him, which seems like you're trying to make him sound defensive.

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

Also uncrowned is basically conf!town unless lamist CCs I guess?

No CC here.

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

Why is HH towny?

smh i'll case this d3 if i need to

Why am I not your top TR ducky?

bc you're really not all that towny...?

TW, what's your read on Mena and why? I thought Mena was town most of D1, after Uncrowned's claim, on a red emps flip, I think his town equity probably increases. Why is your read different than mine?

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

VOTE: Emps

Ok caught up. Mena's been townie all game to me. I'm really not seeing what other folks are talking about. Btw, this is L-2. Not sure what Aaron was talking about.

[Look At Me Im So Town]

if we hit scum today and uncr dies we still know that theyre cleared

You earlier said theres like a 100% chance of you being the lynch, now you're saying if we hit scum? Yeah, this is role fishing.

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

Why do you think he's Emps' partner here? What about his play has said that? You're putting the onus on him, which seems like you're trying to make him sound defensive.

BP

Does his posting not seem defensive to you? Literally all of Day 2 he's been in defense mode over me and HH suggesting that him and emps could be a team.

His posting seems like hes pissed off and mad because hes not getting TRed. So that's it, just the defensive posture he's got?

If so, how were you reading HH's defensive posture yesterday wrt Icon?

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

can we plynch mena

We may have caught scum and you want to redirect to lynch Mena? Ducky, literally wtf is this?

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

Yeah mena is probably the partner tbh, this is completely on par with how he would react as scum.

-X

Do you have experience with scum!Mena?

BP

yeah
-X

I'm only asking because this reminds me of a game where he caught Korina early and then freaked out when people were scumreading him and clearing Korina.

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

@Aaron, it's mostly based on me seeing alot of similar play to the two times I played with him as town. Now, could I be misreading playstyle as AI? Yeah, but the defensiveness and emotionality are something I've seen from town!Mena. I also felt like he was doing alot of sorting and interacting with slots in good faith.

[Look At Me Im So Town]

I think that given how emps has played today, it's very likely that he flips scum.

I'm not sure how I feel about massclaim though. Why would we want to out the second pr and let scum optimize their night kill?

BP

[Look At Me Im So Town]

I'm not CCing the duck. I have no idea what the fuck happened the past four pages though with him claiming then pulling it back. But I think everyone's checked in right? So that claim has to be real. Once emps flipped strongman, there had to be a sitter, and no ones CC'd ducky. So from where I'm at we've got two conf!towns, mena and ducky.

BP