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That may be right. He did that same gambit with me in the Radja game we played together.In post 30, Menalque wrote:Oh, so the hydra is hectic +1A hydra account of Billy Pilgrim and MadAlfred.- Look At Me Im So Town
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In post 31, Menalque wrote:VOTE: datisi
Let’s lynch the mod guys
Power to the people
Scum and town unite against moderation teams
Hmm.. this isnt normally something you do as town.
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Whoops, hydra slip.In post 67, Billy Pilgrim wrote:In post 63, Alduskkel wrote:
after checking some meta I have concluded that this is NAI cuz AF did it as both town and scumIn post 13, Alduskkel wrote:Also AaronFrost’s first post is making me think of this thread but I dunno if it applies to someone who isn’t a newb
Also I legitimately want to know what was going through Chemist's head when he wrote post 19 and voted someone he just called conftown.
which hydra head posted this and how scummy do you actually consider this to beIn post 47, Look At Me Im So Town wrote:In post 31, Menalque wrote:VOTE: datisi
Let’s lynch the mod guys
Power to the people
Scum and town unite against moderation teams
Hmm.. this isnt normally something you do as town.
VOTE: Mena
BP wrote it. I thought I indicated that it was just barely over the line. Chemists is worse, but it seemed like it had to be a joke, everything so far is around the null line.
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I didn't realize this was your first post, why is this your entrance on page 3?
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Where are the scum vibes coming from?
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In post 119, JJJ wrote:
yeah. It's a load of BS. There's no way you genuinely feel that way about our slot over others.In post 118, Iconeum wrote:
Let's assume you're right, that theres other less productive slots than you. If so, why is it scum indicative for Icon to push you. IIRC, you dont have any votes on you yet. So hes leading the wagon on you at the moment? What's the scum motivation there?In post 112, JJJ wrote:Like damn. Everyone is in here joking around and multiple people have been less productive than our slot and Iconeum shitpushes us on some terrible/fake logic.
That doesn't sit right with me.
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no, i'm voting you because i have a feeling that your entire rvs phase so far feels ungenuine
do you have a problem with that?
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What do you mean by it doesnt read genuine? I'm a little more concerned that HH is now trying to take credit for a push/prod of Emps, w/o voting him, while Uncrowned at least committed to voting him. Even the naked vote he explained as a kind of reaction test.In post 124, Iconeum wrote:
There's a huge difference in how Uncrowned reads here, as opposed to your 'emps real vote plz'In post 114, JJJ wrote:
This is literally why I asked emps to make a real vote. Even though you didn't know that, I was pushing the slot to do something, which was blatantly obvious, and you pick us out of the bunch for "not doing anything" to paraphrase.In post 106, Iconeum wrote:In post 101, Uncrowned wrote:It's not a random vote, so yeah.
I dislike the lack of commital to an actual vote. Emps jumped on the meme without actually doing anything.
i like this thinking for townIn post 105, Uncrowned wrote:Because scum would rather be non-commital and not get involved in having to come up with BS explanations for their actions. If they're scum, this gives Emps an easy start to the game so they can read and react later on.
Too bad I called it out.
one reads genuine, the other, well, notA hydra account of Billy Pilgrim and MadAlfred.- Look At Me Im So Town
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I screwed up 223. The part in the middle was me. It's this part:
Let's assume you're right, that theres other less productive slots than you. If so, why is it scum indicative for Icon to push you. IIRC, you dont have any votes on you yet. So hes leading the wagon on you at the moment? What's the scum motivation there?
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What does this mean?In post 149, Iconeum wrote:by the way statistically emps is conftown this game
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Oh, nvm.
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This feels like you misrepping Icon. At one point in that exchange, he literally said he wasnt sure whether the OMGUS was more likely to come from scum or town. Also, why does scum!Icon try to build a push from 0 on a guy in a mostly passive gamestate that only became active when he started the push?In post 157, Alduskkel wrote:cuz you can't explain your scumread on HH and you're trying to discredit him
Menalque what's your take on HH vs IcoA hydra account of Billy Pilgrim and MadAlfred.- Look At Me Im So Town
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What do you think HH's reasons for voting Icon were?In post 178, Alduskkel wrote:Mena you're not helping
Ico:
116: calling a vote an OMGUS vote implies that the person behind the vote was just voting you for a shallow/petty reason
119: implies that HH cannot read you and the use of the word "actually" implies that HH is foolish for even thinking they can read you
pedit:
you never really said "why and how" you think thatIconeum wrote:
that's not trueIn post 161, Alduskkel wrote:
no you didn't you just said it was a "feeling"In post 158, Iconeum wrote:i've literally just explained what I think is disengenuis about it
also I already quoted the posts where I thought you were trying to discredit
i said i think UC's explanation is very townie, and that the way HH went about 'pushing emps to do something usefull' is where scum can come from while taking the same stand
both did the same thing
i think one could come from scum, the other from town and i showed you why and how i think that
and yeah sure a lot of it is feeling
what you expect, a full fledged scumread (which I never said I have on HH) during RVS?
what is the problem exactly if it even is just a feeling that i can't explain?
I don't expect a full fledged scumread but a scum is more likely than town to be unable to explain their supposed "feeling"
No, just because HH voted for you after you voted them doesn't automatically make it OMGUS. They had reasons for voting you outside of simply "because you voted for us."Iconeum wrote:Do you think it was NOT omgus?
pedit 2: jesus so many posts
but yes I agree Menalque should just say what his read is already
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He came into a dead gamestate where there were 3 pages and no one had posted in 12 hours. You think hes scum worried about getting called out for not scum hunting in that gamestate?In post 184, Alduskkel wrote:
well if the alternative is looking like you're not scumhunting at all then yes I think scum might do thatIn post 183, Iconeum wrote:
so you think scum will put out half-edged 'feeling' faked scumreads just for shits and giggles this early, that they have no way of explainingIn post 178, Alduskkel wrote:I don't expect a full fledged scumread but a scum is more likely than town to be unable to explain their supposed "feeling"
or maybe it's town, who doesn't care about that because they are only interested in finding scum and don't mind putting out feelings that they maybe can't fully explain
you make up your mind about that
plus maybe you didn't think you'd be called out for an explanation
What's your read of HH Aldus?
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Thinking Icon is town. His interactions with HH show me that hes not too quick to react, hes continuing to sort while pushing, that gives me good feelings inside.
I dont see the scum motivation for Icon coming into the game and starting a push on HH. HH's quick reaction reeked of survivalism and I dont know if that's more likely to come from scum or town. I felt like 135 was a bit too self aware for town though. @HH have I hydra'd with one of your heads before?
I've got Aldus as null-scum here. I think that increases drastically if HH is scum. There was a defense of HH that read as pretty strong to me. He was insisting HH had reasons for voting Icon and that it was unfair to classify that vote as OMGUS, but I didnt see it from my read. I also think he misrepped what Icon was doing at one point wrt to the HH slot.
Mena is pinging me. Hes been posting alot, but it's been weird. This whole thing with the mod is just weird. Haven't played with scum!Mena before, but this doesnt feel like his town game.
I liked uncrowned's explanation, but he could probably post a bit more.
This game could definitely use some more posting.
VOTE: Aldus That's L-2.
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At one point you literally went to that meme when there was real game content between Aldus and Icon.In post 234, Menalque wrote:Whats weird about my posting/the thing with datisi
Also, I've never seen you commit this hard to in-game developing stuff in one of your town games.
Also, I think you've been generally poking the low content slots which after playing a game against feels like it could be a way to score easy town points early. I also dont remember you playing that way in either of the newbies we played together.
I also dont know what you got out of that exchange with Icon in asking him your record of reading him correctly.
It's weird. Dont know if its AI, but I dont remember anything comparable from your towngames. I do remember you saying in the last game that you had changed your play, so imma see how this unfolds.
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1) fine, 2) if I'm seeing something from this game that I hadn't seen in any of your town games I think that's meaningful. Doesnt have to be AI, but to suggest that its meaningless?In post 237, Menalque wrote:
(1) and?In post 236, Look At Me Im So Town wrote:In post 234, Menalque wrote:Whats weird about my posting/the thing with datisi(1) At one point you literally went to that meme when there was real game content between Aldus and Icon.
(2) Also, I've never seen you commit this hard to in-game developing stuff in one of your town games.
Also, I think you've been generally poking the low content slots(3) which after playing a game against feels like it could be a way to score easy town points early. I also dont remember you playing that way in either of the newbies we played together.
(4) I also dont know what you got out of that exchange with Icon in asking him your record of reading him correctly.
It's weird. Dont know if its AI, but I dont remember anything comparable from your towngames. I do remember you saying in the last game that you had changed your play, so imma see how this unfolds.
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(2) and?
(3) what do you mean here?
(4) what's your point?
3) I took out the reference to playing with scumVork, because that distracted a game before, but you were in that game, it was Haunted Village. He poked and prodded the low content slots for cheap town points.
4) I felt like you interacted with Icon while Aldus was interacting with him in a way that was weird and I didnt see how it was sorting. I mean, do you, but I didnt feel like it was game advancing.
Your interaction with Emps feels more genuine
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This math doesnt track though. Unless you want to no lynch.In post 256, Menalque wrote:aff = aaronfuckingfrost
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Oh, that was an autocorrect error. In-game developing stuff should read non-game developing stuff.In post 262, Menalque wrote:@BP
What do you mean by "commit this hard to in-game developing stuff?"
where do I suggest that it's meaningless?
wrt vork, firstly, I'm not vork. and what he did was more than that, he spent a lot of time setup speccing to try and look like he was genuinely concerned about figuring scum's choices while not spending time scumhunting. do you think I'm not scum hunting?
why does you not being able to see how it was sorting mean that it's not sorting?
Not sure you suggested that its meaningless, but a campaign against the mod isnt exactly scumhunting. Like I said, your interaction with emps felt like it was scumhunting. That was the first time I got that feeling from your content though.
And yes, me not seeing how something is sorting doesnt make it not sorting, which is why your slot isnt much to me at the moment. I'm pretty sure you're the leading poster, but the first positive content I saw from your slot was the stuff with Emps.
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Want to share your solve with the rest of the class?
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In post 288, AaronFrost wrote:A little, yes because I think you're trying to distract from any conversation that is happening at the moment.
Like I get that if you're good friends with the mod and you want to joke around 'lynching them to overthrow them' during early game then that's fine, but you continuing to do it once we were out of RVS was a little sketchy imo.
Ugh. . . God I hate this like weird thing on this site where people comment on either the premature termination of or the artificial extension of RVS. Theres not like a clear line of demarcation of when RVS is either happening or over. I legit want to study whether the first person that makes a comment one way or the other about RVS is a town or scum tell, because it happens in almost every game I'm in, and for some reason I haven't checked whether it comes more often from scum or town, but it becomes like a 2 or 3 page distraction every time someone brings it up. Can we please not do that here?
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Scum!you would want to do that if your partner wasnt handling themselves well and they were involved in the conversation, but it would be super sus, especially after a flip, so overall I'm leaning towards this being too attention grabby for your scumplay, particularly after the postgame conversation in Newbie 1971. That and your interaction after us are why I felt like it wasnt scum indicative for you.In post 290, Menalque wrote:Like if you want to argue that it’s scum indicative for me you need to have a clear reason for why that particular behaviour is more likely to come from scum!me than town!me
What benefit do I get?
Also why would scum!me want to distract in that conversation?
I'm curious why Aaron went back and talked about it though. @Aaron, you caught up yet? Also Mena, you heard from Aaron, where are your reads at?
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Was that a question to me?In post 292, Menalque wrote:Why would that be any sort of tell vs completely NAI
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I dont know if it is, that's why I want to look into it. I didnt think greeting the thread would be slightly indicative of scum, but it is. So I'd like to see if this thing I see alot in virtually all my games is indicative of either alignment.In post 297, Menalque wrote:
YesIn post 295, Look At Me Im So Town wrote:
Was that a question to me?In post 292, Menalque wrote:Why would that be any sort of tell vs completely NAI
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Good point, I had to iso you because I forgot you had AFF as a townread early, but you did. Can you walk me through this progression?
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You wanted to know the benefit. Yes, that's the logic for why it would be a benefit, but that's not how I think you would play scum.In post 301, Menalque wrote:
Your logic is that if my partner was fucking up in a TvS that my reaction would be to meme vote the mod?In post 294, Look At Me Im So Town wrote:In post 290, Menalque wrote:Like if you want to argue that it’s scum indicative for me you need to have a clear reason for why that particular behaviour is more likely to come from scum!me than town!me
What benefit do I get?
Also why would scum!me want to distract in that conversation?but it would be super sus, especially after a flip, so overall I'm leaning towards this being too attention grabby for your scumplay, particularly after the postgame conversation in Newbie 1971. That and your interaction after us are why I felt like it wasnt scum indicative for you.Scum!you would want to do that if your partner wasnt handling themselves well and they were involved in the conversation,
I'm curious why Aaron went back and talked about it though. @Aaron, you caught up yet? Also Mena, you heard from Aaron, where are your reads at?
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This is spicy. Why?
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I also feel like your play in 1971 is different. You werent really memey at all from what I can remember. Three of these things are about his response to meming. You really think his response is that AI?
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Holy shit, I didnt remember any of that. I'm gonna blame that on missing RVS that game. By the time I replaced in, you were serious.
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Honestly if uncrowned flips scum and I'm defending scum D1 again, I think I'm gonna quit mafia.In post 326, Menalque wrote:As in, you defending uncrowned
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Can you case me?In post 329, Menalque wrote:AFF, icon - town
Emps, Aldus, HH - prob town
Chem - null town
Lamist - prob scum
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Whoops, slipped again. Sorry Datisi.In post 426, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
What conclusions did you draw from HH/icon?In post 346, Menalque wrote:Ico/HH was very clearly AI and town looking at that draws conclusions about alignments
They may be wrong conclusions, but they draw conclusions
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Man, I think you guys are using this phrase differently.In post 354, Menalque wrote:I’m assuming you mean 339
In which case you haven’t becausepushing meme-y non-commitsl content is one of te number 1 things that scum do
@Mena - what do you mean by that phrase.
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@Aldus, I find you genuinely scummier than HH at the moment. AMD I think it's a misrep to suggest that most of my concerns with your slot revolve around HH. Yeah, if that were true, then flipping that slot first would make sense, but that's not the issue.
It's also possible you're WKing HH in order to push Icon. And given what you just did with Mena wrt the uncrowned slot, I think that may be what's going on. You're gonna allow Mena to sell you on Icon town so you can sheep Mena.
You're saying that HH's vote was based on a double standard from Icon. What was the double standard and do you agree that Icon was holding him to a double standard?
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I'm a little concerned how close this phrasing seems to parrot Mena's language, but I see him using that language wrt Mena in a way that Mena didnt discuss, so dont know that its AI.In post 389, AaronFrost wrote:Huh wild. I though Uncrowned was mildly townie for the most part.
Only post from them I didn't like was 203. He seems a little too confident in his emps read but then again Mena is apparently super confident in his Uncrowned read so I'm not sure that's AI.
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The one I bolded in the quote. Mena explained later, and I was wrong, he did mean what I think you meant by it.In post 429, Uncrowned wrote:Which phrase?
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Hey Emps sorry it's been a mix of holiday stuff and personal medical stuff. I checked in and saw BP was on top of things so I didn't feel pressure to add in. On top of which, my limited interaction turned catching up into a vast homework assignment. I promise I'll be back on my feet and full steam ahead after x-mas. I didn't even consider that my absence would be felt.
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@Emps - how did you get from 441 to 443?
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I'll get back to my 430 later, but as for HH situation, my read of you doesnt center on scum!HH. Yes, part of the situation is how you interacted with Icon over the HH slot, but then I saw an interaction from you with Mena wrt theIn post 449, Alduskkel wrote:
It's like a reverse hydraIn post 392, AaronFrost wrote:
Apparently I count as two people nowIn post 347, Menalque wrote:you manage to talk about me,aaron, emps,AF, and HH in those couple of posts while largely trying to shrug off the SR on you
¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 396, AaronFrost wrote:But it didn't really help move us out of RVS? And no one else commented on it or took a stance on it. So it didn't actually accomplish anything.
I dunno, I just thought it might be a way to get an early scumread. It's not my fault it turned out to be NAI.
Hmm, I don't get the impression that Menalque doesn't have the intention of making it a real wagon, but I guess we'll see what happens.In post 404, JJJ wrote:
Idk if I used the term correctly but basically I thought he made the vote for looks without any real intention of it being wagoned/lynched. So yeah, it's scummy in the sense that I thought he was voting in a way that was conscious of his own image rather than to get something done.In post 384, Alduskkel wrote:What's a "vanity vote"? Is it scummy?
But I am less sure of that now.
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boooo, lazy voteIn post 406, JJJ wrote:VOTE: chemist
I'm keeping this until he actually starts playing and makes a real vote. Emps is runner up as far as my vote is concerned. Haven't talked to Y in awhile though so this may change when that changes.
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Then why are you still voting emps??In post 417, Uncrowned wrote:I'll drop my list soon, gonna do a read through.
Aorn I'm most concerned about HH/Aldus/Chemist, I want to make it mypriority to sort those slots first before I do anything else
You're definitely gonna have to explain this one.In post 430, Look At Me Im So Town wrote:uncrowned is like spewing town here.
Ok, name the reasons you find me scummy that aren't related to HH.In post 431, Look At Me Im So Town wrote:@Aldus, I find you genuinely scummier than HH at the moment. AMD I think it's a misrep to suggest that most of my concerns with your slot revolve around HH.
Says HH doesn't have an "eye on doing something" but doesn't attack anyone else who might fit that description. And yeah I agree with that.In post 431, Look At Me Im So Town wrote:You're saying that HH's vote was based on a double standard from Icon. What was the double standard and do you agree that Icon was holding him to a double standard?
Icon slot where you were asking Mena to move you off the Icon slot. So I initially was concerned about you defending a partner, but after seeing you do something slightly different, you could be buddying both HH and Icon.
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Yeah, you're hopping in to do this while you're voting the mod. Where are you at, cuz you're coasting at the moment?In post 454, Chemist1422 wrote:
May I direct you to today’s dateIn post 453, JJJ wrote:If people are going to keep calling me scummy for trying to get slots that are voting the moderator to actually play the game then I'm not thinking this is gonna be a very productive day.
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You did this right after a VC, what was the point of this?
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Man, between the holiday and the shorter prod timer, whoops. Werent you townreading Icon? What's up with the naked vote?
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This post pings me funny. You're off wagon but now you're shading him for not claiming when he wasnt at L-1. What's the point of this message?In post 478, Chemist1422 wrote:
So why didn’t you claim if you hadn’t noticed beforehand?In post 476, Alduskkel wrote:literally just noticed I'm not even at L-1 because Ico was already voting me when it made the L-1 voteA hydra account of Billy Pilgrim and MadAlfred.- Look At Me Im So Town
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It started as a gut townread. What changed it?In post 492, Menalque wrote:yeah I'm p sure chem is townA hydra account of Billy Pilgrim and MadAlfred.- Look At Me Im So Town
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You did that in 6 minutes?In post 500, emps wrote:441 was mostly just looking at the ico/hh thing that happened
and then 443 was after i isoed some ppl (including hh)
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In your experience, do scum often offer resistance to wagons even if they're on scum? Because that hasn't been mine.In post 502, Uncrowned wrote:That's the third time I've been caught out by a fake vote / fake hammer. I hate myself.
But no, when I gave intent I didn't realize Ico's vote was fake.
Also now I don't feel like an Aldus lynch would be good. Feels like we've lingered around this long enough, the lack of real opposition towards it leads me to believe that scum would be okay with this lynch. Aldus hasn't been particularly scummy imo.
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I felt like he was town early on, because it's how I've seen him play town. But his demand that you claim and then nonchalantly refusing to provide an explanation to Mena on why he did that actually kinda jumps out as one of the scummier things that's happened all game. I'll have a bit more time tomorrow, so I'm probably gonna reread. I can explain why I felt like Uncrowned was spewing town too. It was mostly related to what felt like natural interactions and progressions though.In post 534, Alduskkel wrote:Can we talk about the fact that Iconeum is mirroring his scum play from Micro 900 and there are also a few players (Aaron and Chemist come to mind) who ~mysteriously~ townread icon? Also the dynamic between HH and Iconeum is looking kind of suspect. They had their little spat earlier, but then HH drifted into voting Chemist while Icon voted me. Since then they haven't really pushed each other at all, so it kinda looks like they were scumbuddies distancing.
@LAMIST and Uncrowned: What are your reads on Icon?
@Aaron and Chemist: Are you still townreading Icon? If so, how do you explain the fake L-1 and claim request?
@HH: Is Iconeum scummier or townier to you now compared to when you unvoted him?
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Man, this game really slowed down. I honestly felt like Icon was town, but I do think pressing for an early claim is one of the scummier things that's happened so far. But I think Chemist defending this is also pretty weird behavior.
I'm having trouble getting reads and the lack of activity really isnt helping me.
Chemist, why are you defending Icon for pressing for an early claim. What makes you think that Aldus was gonna be the lynch, particularly when you werent voting him at the time.
@Mena - why are you townreading Chemist? Is it still just a gut read?
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Any specifics as to why the wagon is bad? I mean it flared up real fast. That it or something more?
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Why am I scum now. Before you were talking about interactions with the Uncrowned slot, which you've now moved into the town category?In post 586, Menalque wrote:I think
Chem, uncrowned, aldus are all town
AF, HH are in my eh pile
LAMIST is probably scum and I’d actually vote there over icon due to him probably getting replaced but I cba to try to divert the wagon from icon to there
Icon is p likely scum but also not here and therefore potentially a bad lynch
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Damn man, you claimed VT already. What motivation could you possibly have for wanting him to claim? You said "reasons," but I need more, because this feels like evasion at the moment.In post 596, Chemist1422 wrote:
I can explain it but only after you claimIn post 595, Alduskkel wrote:What town motivation does Chemist have for voting me/trying to get me to claim? What town motivation does Chemist have for having an inexplicable townread on Icon, someone you scumread? You say Chemist is asking questions but he's asked a grand total of 3 this game, and I'm not particularly impressed by them or his lack of followup on them.
and my Icon townread was because I liked his early reads
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