Micro 909: 09:12 (Game Over!)

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First

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Also,

hardclaim bulletproof Miller vig

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Yes, everyone, this is going to be one of

those

games

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We should VOTE: iconeum for an

iconic

D1 lynch!

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Hard townread on Aldus, he’s locktown basically

the mason pt helps with that

And it’s very very suspicious that icon chose to go on his regular weekend as the game started and not take first post, he’s honestly kinda lockscum in my eyes

Keep the text 70+, please. :>
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A wizard never forgets

Nor is he early

He RVS’s precisely when he means to

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Ur literally the only mod who’s ever told me off for my tiny text datisi

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Mildly suspicious that you’d vote for a confirmed mason AFF

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AARON U CANT JUST OUT YOUR SCUMBUDDY LIKE THAT ON PAGE 1 WITHOUT CONSULTING THEM FIRST

ESP WHEN I WAS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF POCKETING ALDUS

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Chemist

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Oh, so the hydra is hectic +1

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VOTE: datisi

Let’s lynch the mod guys

Power to the people

Scum and town unite against moderation teams

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Well, my other half said something extremely sus to me in the hydra chat. So
VOTE: HH

I will be surprised if this isn’t hectic

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Hectic and Chen?

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Possibly alisae and chen

Ped: I think the HH is most likely for the hulk hogan who’s playing the shit out of that guitar in their PP

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I thought Alisae didn’t like playing mafia anymore

Yeah but e likes datisi so I can see er playing in this maybe

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Yeah I’m p sure one of the heads is Chen

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Oh, so the hydra is hectic +1

It's actually just Hectic but like he's pretending to be two people

This is a big brain secret hydra play

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Okay whoever is scum can u just admit it

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Make this easy on me

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Hello brothers

I am very wasted

Ana

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Ama

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Whoopsie

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Nopesie

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good morning

I survived finals but now I think I’m sick so that’s fun

that's how it always goes

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also VOTE: uncrowned

srs vote

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also

yoink

no pagetop VCs for Datisi

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FUCK

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that's a bit of an oof, yeah

what do you think of uncrowned chem?

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you don't think the blank vote for emps was suspicious

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mod can u self vote so we can make the dream happen? liberty for all players

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Emps. Real vote please.

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I legitimately don't know what you mean

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uncrowned come here and explain urself

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you don't think the blank vote for emps was suspicious

Why is that suspicious?

cause of stuff

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Emps. Real vote please.

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I legitimately don't know what you mean

I'm asking emps to place a real vote?
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yeah I was being dense idk how I misunderstood this

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I need chemist and emps and icon to post more

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why not?

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also, to clarify, you're saying your emps vote wasn't RVS?

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also

yoink

no pagetop VCs for Datisi

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why is it a behaviour more likely to come from scum?

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come here chemist

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I see you

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VOTE: datisi

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come at me bro

why am i scum?

cuz you can't explain your scumread on HH and you're trying to discredit him

Menalque what's your take on HH vs Ico

I think it’s a distraction from the greater class struggle which is the players vs the mods

Ur playing their game Aldus

Vote datisi, the only thing we have to lose is our chains

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ooi icon how many games have we played together now?

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Have I ever misread you apart from in AvP? I was thinking about it and I don’t think I have

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I don’t think I have

What do you think my read is on you atm?

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What if I’m TRing you

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And why does scum!me need to gambit here when I could just push you outright

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why don't you just come clean with how you think about it all

that would be much more helpfull to everyone

Nah I don’t think it would be yet

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What if I’m TRing you

it's possible

but it felt like you were trying to corner me

Why do you think I would try to corner you as either alignment?

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As in what is the benefit to my win condition as either alignment

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I need emps, Chem, and uncrowned to play more

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also in Micro 900 when scum!you was pressed on Day 3 to explain yourself you kinda flubbed it hard and this is reminding me of that a bit

Have you played with town!icon?

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also in Micro 900 when scum!you was pressed on Day 3 to explain yourself you kinda flubbed it hard and this is reminding me of that a bit

Have you played with town!icon?

not that I can recall

So then why do you think that indicates scum!him rather than him just flubbing under pressure in general?

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What if I’m TRing you

it's possible

but it felt like you were trying to corner me

Why do you think I would try to corner you as either alignment?

Answer this pls icon

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What about why I’d do it as town?

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And again, why does scum!me try to push you in that way specifically?

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Also

Yoink

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FUCKING FUCK

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Power to the people, overthrow moderation

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Okay, I'm going to bite.

Mena,

I don't think you're being particularly helpful with your lines of questioning. I think they're potentially causing paranoia and won't lead to accurate answers that are gonna help town win this game.

That's my two cents. Do with it what you will. Maybe you've got a strategy here, but I'm not seeing it just yet.

Why

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VOTE: datisi

VOTE: Datisi

#goodposting

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I just never wanna lynch Chem he’s always too precious to be lynched

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Need some more from emps and I think I may be ready to solve

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oof I know

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by the way statistically emps is conftown this game

What does this mean?

BP

Gambler’s fallacy emps has been scum his last 3 games or something

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Whats weird about my posting/the thing with datisi

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I do also need more from AFF tho, that’s a good point

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Whats weird about my posting/the thing with datisi

(1) At one point you literally went to that meme when there was real game content between Aldus and Icon.

(2) Also, I've never seen you commit this hard to in-game developing stuff in one of your town games.

Also, I think you've been generally poking the low content slots

(3) which after playing a game against feels like it could be a way to score easy town points early

. I also dont remember you playing that way in either of the newbies we played together.

(4) I also dont know what you got out of that exchange with Icon in asking him your record of reading him correctly.

It's weird. Dont know if its AI, but I dont remember anything comparable from your towngames. I do remember you saying in the last game that you had changed your play, so imma see how this unfolds.

BP

(1) and?

(2) and?

(3) what do you mean here?

(4) what's your point?

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what do you like about it?

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do you think RVS is normally committing to something?

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like idk I'm not convinced that RVS is generally indicative of anything at all so calling out an RVS vote as being intentionally non-committal seems off to me

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do you feel pressured when you get RVS'd?

idk I have a different perspective on what RVS is and what happens during it I guess

the voting bit is not very important imo but maybe uncrowned just doesn't realise that

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like its kinda more non commital then like actually participating in rvs

okay but why is non-committal scum indicative

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datisi why r u actually good at getting pagetops

bc she super speed stealth locks and unlocks the topic to guarantee success

yet another reason why town and scum must come together to overthrow the mods in glorious revolution

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hmm, I just need to chat with AFF and we're good I think

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aff = aaronfuckingfrost

also dw about that I'm a serial killer vote absorber -- everyone I kill at night doubles my votes the next day

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dw all will be revealed soon when I explain who scum is

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@BP

What do you mean by "commit this hard to in-game developing stuff?"

where do I suggest that it's meaningless?

wrt vork, firstly, I'm not vork. and what he did was more than that, he spent a lot of time setup speccing to try and look like he was genuinely concerned about figuring scum's choices while not spending time scumhunting. do you think I'm not scum hunting?

why does you not being able to see how it was sorting mean that it's not sorting?

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actually hh did kind of say exactly that but like in 4 big posts and like angrily i guess

idk he just overreacted

but like relatively soon after (i think)

he calmed down and basically backed off which is kinda unusual from my experience

but i mean like idk whos actually in the hydra and stuff so i guess its nai

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datisi how impressed will you be when I solve your game on D1?

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AF/HH/Aldus

both scum are in there

sorry to steal your thunder Menal

Wildly and spectacularly inaccurate but thanks for playing

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Why is AFF in there anyway?

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I want to talk to AFF first

Call it due diligence

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Also

Yoink

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VOTE: datisi

Don't like this in light of the discussion that's happened on the previous pages

Why

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There was plenty of game discussion happening with Icon/HH and Icon/Aldus and you continue to joke vote the mod because... why?

Because I wanted to

Why is it bad?

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Do you think it’s scum!indicative for me? If so, why?

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Why was that distracting from the conversation considering the conversation kept happening around it and I didn’t really try to draw anyone else into it?

Also, significantly, why does scum!me choose to do that

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Like if you want to argue that it’s scum indicative for me you need to have a clear reason for why that particular behaviour is more likely to come from scum!me than town!me

What benefit do I get?

Also why would scum!me want to distract in that conversation?

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Why would that be any sort of tell vs completely NAI

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Why would that be any sort of tell vs completely NAI

Was that a question to me?

BP

Yes

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It's a way to look like you're contributing without actually taking a stance on anything.

I'm not sure that scum!you chooses to do that, but I'm also not sure why town!you chooses to do it either. Either way, it isn't very helpful when trying to sort your slot.

PEDIT: Whether or not we were in RVS isn't the point and maybe I should've phrased that differently. The point is, people were posting AI content and discussion was happening, and Mena continued with the meme.

How does it look like I’m contributing at all? I think voting the mod is quite clearly a sign that I was memeing rather than contributing and idk why you think that a vote for the mod is an attempt to look like I’m contributing

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Like if you want to argue that it’s scum indicative for me you need to have a clear reason for why that particular behaviour is more likely to come from scum!me than town!me

What benefit do I get?

Also why would scum!me want to distract in that conversation?

Scum!you would want to do that if your partner wasnt handling themselves well and they were involved in the conversation,

but it would be super sus, especially after a flip, so overall I'm leaning towards this being too attention grabby for your scumplay, particularly after the postgame conversation in Newbie 1971. That and your interaction after us are why I felt like it wasnt scum indicative for you.

I'm curious why Aaron went back and talked about it though. @Aaron, you caught up yet? Also Mena, you heard from Aaron, where are your reads at?

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Your logic is that if my partner was fucking up in a TvS that my reaction would be to meme vote the mod?

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How does it look like I’m contributing at all? I think voting the mod is quite clearly a sign that I was memeing rather than contributing and idk why you think that a vote for the mod is an attempt to look like I’m contributing

Because it's not contributing useful content and isn't helping me sort you.

Right but a moment ago you said that it was bad because it was trying to look like I was contributing while not

My question is how you’re interpreting a meme vote as trying to

look like

contribution of content at all

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It's a way to look like you're contributing without actually taking a stance on anything.

I'm not sure that scum!you chooses to do that, but I'm also not sure why town!you chooses to do it either. Either way, it isn't very helpful when trying to sort your slot.

PEDIT: Whether or not we were in RVS isn't the point and maybe I should've phrased that differently. The point is, people were posting AI content and discussion was happening, and Mena continued with the meme.

This is what I’m not getting

Was it an attempt to

look like

i was producing content while not doing so

Or was it a total lack of contribution of content

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Like if I wanted to

look like

I was contributing then I could have just said something along the lines of “ahh, I don’t think X’s push here feels genuine” or “I think this is prob TvT”

So in what sense is me intentionally not producing meaningful content there an attempt to look like I am?

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Nah, I just needed to kind of push you through it because there was some inconsistency there, you’re p town

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Just gotta do ISOs to double check

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@Mena - so rather than have other people ascribe intentions to your play, I'm interested to know what you think you got out of it?

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Which bit are you talking about specifically?

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Icon’s paranoia was towny

Voting datisi was just me being meme-y and has no bearing on my alignment

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Also, I’m willing to reveal scum number 1!

VOTE: uncrowned

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The push on emps’ meme vote as scummy

Avoiding a hard stance on icon/HH — kind of talking about what they were doing without wanting to commit to an analysis of it or say what influence that had on his reads

Generally trying to push the line of meme voting being something scummy

Being way too confident on emps scum when trying to get me to vote somewhere other than dats

Suggesting that my play here is scummy or aimless in a way not in sync with my play in 1971 when my play here is clearly very similar if compared in ISO

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Spoiler:

VOTE: skitt

Srs vote

U should vote skitter bc she’s conf!scum

I’m a cop and I have a night 0 guilty on her

My role PM said “you are a sane cop who gets a N0 check and is bulletproof and who is a D3 innocent child”

My role pm also said “you may copy and paste all of this information into the thread because you’re a special boy and I luv u

Signed,

Dad

P.s. ur town”

Mason obviously

How can we solve this game?

Or should I say

HOW CAN WE SOLVE THIS GAME?

quack

Qft

quack?

quack! Quack-quack!!

Spoiler:

Yeah I wasn’t meme-y at all in 1971 ur right

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This is convenient though

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As in, you defending uncrowned

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You were waiting for this

Sneaky datisi

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Anyway yeah, here’s what the readslist i have saved in drafts is:

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AFF, icon - town
Emps, Aldus, HH - prob town
Chem - null town
Lamist - prob scum
Uncrowned - scum

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I mean I will if I have to but I’m more confident on uncrowned so I’d rather just lynch scum and then lynch you tomorrow

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Also there’s like an outlier chance of one or two other partners so I need to see how they play around uncrowned being caught already

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In what way shape or form is that a vanity

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@emps @chem can u both vote for scum now pls

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“I’m not getting lynched today”

Said the scum

Shortly before being lynched

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Ico/HH was very clearly AI and town looking at that draws conclusions about alignments

They may be wrong conclusions, but they draw conclusions

Your failure to even try to do that, and to put the focus back towards emps in lieu of focusing on productive content is scum!inficstive for you

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You’re also making a p classic scum mistake, which is trying to discredit me in generalities rsther than focusing on the specifics of what I’m saying

For instance: “is the reasoning bad? Yeah, it’s pretty weak”

Only you don’t say why, you just leave that there

Also by trying to shift the focus away from yourself to literally anywhere else — you manage to talk about me, aaron, emps, AF, and HH in those couple of posts while largely trying to shrug off the SR on you

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When the game starts shifting out of RVS and chemist votes the mod and contributes nothing.

When mena waits to see everyone's opinions before making what looks like a vanity vote.

When emps is still voting the mod and said pretty much nothing to make his slot more readable or progress the game.

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I'm not sure if I like this. It feels like you're shading a bunch of slots without actually going into what's scummy about what they're doing?

Chemist, I kinda get. Sure. I'll give you that.

Mena, I don't really understand. If anything, him gauging the general vibe of the players and then still deciding to vote on me is brave, and something I don't see scum players doing very often. Is the reasoning bad? Yeah, it's pretty weak. But I think Mena would be self-aware enough as scum to know that this is a bad move for him if he is that alignment.

Emps, I just touched on, so I won't add anything on him here.

The tone here is also very bad

Like it’s overly considered and doesn’t flow naturally

Why would you say “if he is that alignment” rather than “if he’s scum”

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Tone could be confbias tbf but uncrowned is still scum for the other stuff

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Also there’s like an outlier chance of one or two other partners so I need to see how they play around uncrowned being caught already

This is laughable. I'm not getting lynched today. You're hurting your own reads by looking for something that isn't there.

Unless you're scum and you don't need to worry about having

good

reads.

It’s also kind of a worrying sign generally that you would try to shade my read strength when you’re fairly inexperienced and you just played with me in a game where I caught scum D1

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Where am I misrepping you?

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I’m assuming you mean 339

In which case you haven’t because pushing meme-y non-commitsl content is one of te number 1 things that scum do

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Because it allows scum to push on things that aren’t pro-town as if they’re actually scum!indicstive, which a lot of the time they’re not

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The problem is that you’re looking for things you think you can push rather than looking for actual scum

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The point is not you saying my read is bad

My point is you framing it as “you don’t need to have good reads bc you’re scum”

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This Ico/HH interaction, bleh. I don't really care for it.

Ico had a pretty shallow reason for TLing me and SLing HH - nothing out of the ordinary. Early game stuff.

HH's reaction was a bit much for my liking, but I doubt it's AI. Too much of a gamble to call it one way or the other yet for me.

I've had a decent run recently of picking out scummy openers (2 for 2 in my last 2 games), albeit from the exact same person. I'm gonna be confident in this one.

Emps, buddy. Come out and play.

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My point is that you actively avoid taking a side in this, but you also don’t call either of them town

This is very fence-sitty and I think it’s more in a scum way than a town way

Why?

You’re calling the interaction bad, and making comments that are negative about both people involved (“bleh, I don’t really care for it”; “pretty shallow reason”; “reaction was a bit much for my liking”)

I think this let’s you avoid drawing ire from either of the two involved, but also allows you to pivot into a SR later on if you like, with a set up to show your trajectory

Then instead of trying to get anything more out of the interaction or to develop your read on either of them, you redirected towards emps again

Why? What was more interesting to you about getting something from emps than from trying to clarify your read on two players who were active who you didn’t feel strongly about?

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I am just gut townreading you chem and you being charming and funny is something I know you can do as scum

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You know what would start making me feel real good about your slot chem?

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Nah I don’t need that yet

Wanna vote uncrowned tho?

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y not?

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I mean I’m not scum but also that’s bad logic and really doesn’t help you that much because it consistently leaves you vulnerable to scum who don’t go for the lhf

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I’m assuming you mean 339

In which case you haven’t because pushing meme-y non-commitsl content is one of te number 1 things that scum do

but this is also weird bc Mena was literally trying to start a mod wagon??

How’s it weird?

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Starting a mod wagon = meme-y, not trying to get anyone lynched

Pushing people for not being actively pro-town = pushing people who are targetable rather than pushing people who are necessarily scum

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Low hanging fruit

I.e. players who look overtly scummy or don’t have much in game presence

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Hmmm

I’m thinking about you

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I was actually reconsidering a bit after last night but your scum game is better than I thought after glancing at the game chen linked

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Mostly I was sceptical that you would be able to produce relatively nuanced posts as quickly as you did in response to me last night if you were scum but you seem capable of that

Who do you think is scum atm?

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Why is chen susp?

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Chem *

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VLA until after Christmas pls dats

Acknowledged.
- D

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Anyone who has stuff for me leave it as a comment and I’ll get to it when I catch up post-Christmas

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VOTE: icon

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yeah I'm p sure chem is town

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icon why were you pushing for a claim at L-2?

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icon why were you pushing for a claim at L-2?

wy not?

Because generating preemptive claims is much more beneficial to scum and because you did this in autumnal when you were scum?

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So like I need a bit more of an answer than that

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Will try and get to this soon sorry holiday season isn’t great for me

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Oof fuck I may effort this tonight

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I think the lack of movement on icon is p telling tho

Emps why aren’t you voting icon?

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Chem wagon bad

Vote icon

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It’s bad bc chem is town

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And scum often try to lynch him just bc he’s (and u kno I love you chem, but this is true) not generally that hard to get lynched

So that combined with wagon speed

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There’s no need for him to accuse me of buddying him if he’s scum either instead of just taking it and letting me take the heat for any mispushes/for defending him

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Like I’m frustrated that he’s defending icon who *checks notes* made exactly the same move he did in his incredibly recent scum game, won’t get any traction as a wagon, hasn’t been townposting like uncrowned did after I voted him, and disappeared after brushing off making the exact same move he did as his incredibly recent scumgame

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But I don’t think that makes him scum

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I’m just not really into mafia rn holiday season is burning me up

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I think

Chem, uncrowned, aldus are all town

AF, HH are in my eh pile

LAMIST is probably scum and I’d actually vote there over icon due to him probably getting replaced but I cba to try to divert the wagon from icon to there

Icon is p likely scum but also not here and therefore potentially a bad lynch

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Like I’m frustrated that he’s defending icon who *checks notes* made exactly the same move he did in his incredibly recent scum game, won’t get any traction as a wagon, hasn’t been townposting like uncrowned did after I voted him, and disappeared after brushing off making the exact same move he did as his incredibly recent scumgame

Why does scum!Icon make the same move two games in a row with similar playerlists?

Bc no one really SR him for it last game and he was able to push my mislynch from the reaction to it?

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Also the WIFOM of “why would scum!icon do this 2 games in a row?” It’s literally meaningless unless you can give a convincing argument for why scum!icon is more likely to not do it than to do it

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Although that may make it more NAI-ish

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Menalque, what makes you think Chemist is town? I had him as null for a while but his posts including and after post 536 have moved him to null-scum for me. I really don't see anything to townread about him.

What seems scummy about him?

If it’s that he hasn’t done a lot then that’s NAI

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Also he’s actually asking questions and I think they’re pertinent ones

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Hi ducky sry you rolled scum

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I could see LAMIST scum. It's been a back burner read of mine for the last couple days but it's not getting lynched today so I haven't bothered to bring it up.

Am curious to know why we are null to mena though. Iirc me and AF went from being TL or TR to "eh" without explanation.

v/la for the rest of the day
-X

The others improved

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Hey friends guess who's town

Is the annexer not you?

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Andwer

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Answer

Idk ducky can you just tell us your scum buddy and we’ll lynch them first so I have an extra day phase w u

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Happy new year ducky

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I don’t know jest that post means

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What

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French keyboards smh

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Chemist bc scum want to lynch someone mislynchable

You bc icon did the same thing he did as scum last game then tried to brush it off instead of engaging about it

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Ducky looking for an excuse to lynch chem so that he’s not lynched

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V scum

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God I’m so town

How am I always so town

Can scum NK me pls

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I volunteer as tribute

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Are you on a laptop ducky

I type really fast

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U*

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Chemist bc scum want to lynch someone mislynchable

You bc icon did the same thing he did as scum last game then tried to brush it off instead of engaging about it

regrettably that's
1) iconeum almost every game unless townconeum very lategame
2) not a scumtell, like at all

they're diff people but i'm remembering like, deathtunnelling the shit out of Taly this one time because i didn't feel like he was satisfactorily engaging with my questions and like... he was just town who didn't really have anything to say... can you have another iso of iconeum and throw me what you see coming from scumconeum?

Literally micro autumnal mafia that plum modded

And icon prematurely started pushing for a claim

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I think on the same actual player too lmao

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I mean or you don’t do that bc then you’re much more likely to be lynched tomorrow and you wanna pocket me instead

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You type really fast ducky

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We could do lamist too tbf

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I’m very drunk ducky

It’s nye

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You always feel like ur pocketing me thh

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VOTE: lamist

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I disagree that the dragon is easy to read and idk why u day that

I think the dragon always reads as scum and then you have the problem of needing to figure out if he’s actually scum

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What in dragon iso made you think tozn

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Oof ninja

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Yes very yes

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I mean I’d feel better about this if you weren’t essentially self merging yourself rn

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Metaing

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Like what would you be doing differently after replacing scum!coneum?

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Eh il not really convinced but I’ll look at it again sober I h’guess

I think you’re prob scum but just going to make me not lynch you like pb made me not lynch him in avp

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Wait why am I mildly towny?

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Did you iso me as well or is this based on interacting with me here?

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I’m kind of uncomfortable about you toe leaning me for my play here thus far

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Especially my actual interactions w u

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However

However


Good nihjt