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This Ico/HH interaction, bleh. I don't really care for it.
Ico had a pretty shallow reason for TLing me and SLing HH - nothing out of the ordinary. Early game stuff.
HH's reaction was a bit much for my liking, but I doubt it's AI. Too much of a gamble to call it one way or the other yet for me.
I've had a decent run recently of picking out scummy openers (2 for 2 in my last 2 games), albeit from the exact same person. I'm gonna be confident in this one.
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Do you believe this?
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Okay, I'm going to bite.
Mena, I don't think you're being particularly helpful with your lines of questioning. I think they're potentially causing paranoia and won't lead to accurate answers that are gonna help town win this game.
That's my two cents. Do with it what you will. Maybe you've got a strategy here, but I'm not seeing it just yet.- Uncrowned
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In post 173, Menalque wrote:What if I’m TRing youIn post 174, Menalque wrote:And why does scum!me need to gambit here when I could just push you outrightIn post 180, Menalque wrote:
Why do you think I would try to corner you as either alignment?In post 175, Iconeum wrote:
it's possibleIn post 173, Menalque wrote:What if I’m TRing you
but it felt like you were trying to corner meIn post 181, Menalque wrote:As in what is the benefit to my win condition as either alignmentIn post 198, Menalque wrote:What about why I’d do it as town?
Feels like you're dancing around and trying to look like you're doing something. I think it would've been much more useful for you to actually have a say on the HH/Ico engagement, and even the Aldus vote on Ico.In post 199, Menalque wrote:And again, why does scum!me try to push you in that way specifically?
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Why would I take a hard stance on something I don't think is NAI? Doesn't make sense to me. That just throws off the rest of the reads, since people will also want to analyze my fabricated stance on a matter. I said what I had to say about Ico/HH.In post 320, Menalque wrote:The push on emps’ meme vote as scummy
Avoiding a hard stance on icon/HH — kind of talking about what they were doing without wanting to commit to an analysis of it or say what influence that had on his reads
Generally trying to push the line of meme voting being something scummy
Being way too confident on emps scum when trying to get me to vote somewhere other than dats
Suggesting that my play here is scummy or aimless in a way not in sync with my play in 1971 when my play here is clearly very similar if compared in ISO
Pushing meme, non-committal, non-useful content is something I'm always gonna do.
Your vote in play is much more useful than it being on Mod, even if it's on me.
I was thinking of your D2 play on 1971, so I'll admit I was wrong there.
Also, for whoever asked, the person I got correct on having a scummy opener and them turning out to be scum twice was Faustiv.- Uncrowned
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This is laughable. I'm not getting lynched today. You're hurting your own reads by looking for something that isn't there.In post 334, Menalque wrote:Also there’s like an outlier chance of one or two other partners so I need to see how they play around uncrowned being caught already
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I believe Aaron asked me why I voted Emps and not Mena, when they had both done the meme vote on the mod thing.
Simply put, Mena had initiated the joke and had at least been posting actively. Emps had done nothing up until that point, and then his only post was him just piggy-backing off of the joke and then he left again. That was far more suspicious to me than anything Mena did at the start of the game.- Uncrowned
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I'm not sure if I like this. It feels like you're shading a bunch of slots without actually going into what's scummy about what they're doing?In post 335, JJJ wrote:When the game starts shifting out of RVS and chemist votes the mod and contributes nothing.
When mena waits to see everyone's opinions before making what looks like a vanity vote.
When emps is still voting the mod and said pretty much nothing to make his slot more readable or progress the game.
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Chemist, I kinda get. Sure. I'll give you that.
Mena, I don't really understand. If anything, him gauging the general vibe of the players and then still deciding to vote on me is brave, and something I don't see scum players doing very often. Is the reasoning bad? Yeah, it's pretty weak. But I think Mena would be self-aware enough as scum to know that this is a bad move for him if he is that alignment.
Emps, I just touched on, so I won't add anything on him here.- Uncrowned
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I did try and do that if you read my post. From my experiences with forum mafia, I saw things that could come from either alignment, so I commented on that. Me lying and saying I saw something that only comes from town or only comes from scum in a situation where, to me, It's a grey area that didn't personally tell me anything, would be detrimental to the game.
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Why would I not call your read bad when I'm town and you're saying I'm scum?In post 351, Menalque wrote:
It’s also kind of a worrying sign generally that you would try to shade my read strength when you’re fairly inexperienced and you just played with me in a game where I caught scum D1In post 341, Uncrowned wrote:
This is laughable. I'm not getting lynched today. You're hurting your own reads by looking for something that isn't there.In post 334, Menalque wrote:Also there’s like an outlier chance of one or two other partners so I need to see how they play around uncrowned being caught already
Unless you're scum and you don't need to worry about havinggoodreads.
You're saying I had no input at all on the Ico/HH interaction, when I clearly said in my post regarding it that they both demonstrated things thatIn post 352, Menalque wrote:Where am I misrepping you?in my experiencedon't seem to be overly AI. I think it's ridiculous that you're expecting me to come up with a thoughtful, hard analysis on something where I legitimately just don't see anything worth pressing at the moment.
If I dug REALLY deep into my thoughts, I could say that Ico came off as a slight +town in the interaction, since it seemed like he was scumhunting. But I'm not confident in that. Scum could do that just as easily as town could do that. By giving out reads that I don't even really believe in, I'm hurting towns chances of winning this game. That's how I view it.
You arguing that I'm doing it out of scumminess is a big misrep imo when I believe it's just a natural part of my play style- Uncrowned
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And you do realize that I didn't push your meme content at all really, right? I was anxious about it, yes. But I pushed Emps for an entirely different reason, which I've already explained.
It's frustrating that you're ignoring that. Feeling a lot of conf!bias right now. You think you've seen something when you haven't at all.- Uncrowned
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I don't particular care if you have a SR on me, to be honest. Like I said, I'm not getting lynched.In post 347, Menalque wrote:You’re also making a p classic scum mistake, which is trying to discredit me in generalities rsther than focusing on the specifics of what I’m saying
For instance: “is the reasoning bad? Yeah, it’s pretty weak”
Only you don’t say why, you just leave that there
Also by trying to shift the focus away from yourself to literally anywhere else — you manage to talk about me, aaron, emps, AF, and HH in those couple of posts while largely trying to shrug off the SR on you
You're either Scum reaching deep to try and stir up some bullshit, or you're town with a bad read.
I'm not shrugging it off, if you're the latter (town with bad read) I'm going to discuss it with you right now and get it sorted. If you're scum, you'll keep pushing the BS narrative and I won't have to bother with you anymore.
You're showing a lot of double standards right now. You called it scummy when I "didn't take a hard stance" on Ico/HH, but now that I'm taking stances on other slots in the game, you're treating it as though I'm brushing you off, when I'm clearly responding.- Uncrowned
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Sure, let's dissect this.In post 362, Menalque wrote:In post 203, Uncrowned wrote:This Ico/HH interaction, bleh. I don't really care for it.
Ico had a pretty shallow reason for TLing me and SLing HH - nothing out of the ordinary. Early game stuff.
HH's reaction was a bit much for my liking, but I doubt it's AI. Too much of a gamble to call it one way or the other yet for me.
I've had a decent run recently of picking out scummy openers (2 for 2 in my last 2 games), albeit from the exact same person. I'm gonna be confident in this one.
Emps, buddy. Come out and play.
Ico, in my opinion, did have weak reasoning all around. Me pushing unhelpful, somewhat anti-town content is at best, a slight positive. His comments about HH's similar comments about Emps being "not as genuine" or whatever, was a feels based thing. So yeah, to me, it's all pretty shallow. Hard to make something out of.
HH overreacted, if you ask me. You know who I've seen overreact to things like that? Scum. You know who I've also seen overreact to things like that? Town. Picking one side or the other in this situation isn't a good idea, imo.
And that is the only time I explained my voting of Emps. Like I said, you did a similar thing, but there's a reason I differentiated between the two of you. Keep ignoring it, if you like.- Uncrowned
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The interaction, from what I had seen, was mostly over. The time to analyze it from the rest of the players had come. That was my take on it. If you don't like it, that's fine. But I legitimately just didn't see much from it. Like I just said above, at best it's a slight +town for Ico, and it left me still hard null on HH.In post 365, Menalque wrote:My point is that you actively avoid taking a side in this, but you also don’t call either of them town
This is very fence-sitty and I think it’s more in a scum way than a town way
Why?
You’re calling the interaction bad, and making comments that are negative about both people involved (“bleh, I don’t really care for it”; “pretty shallow reason”; “reaction was a bit much for my liking”)
I think this let’s you avoid drawing ire from either of the two involved, but also allows you to pivot into a SR later on if you like, with a set up to show your trajectory
Then instead of trying to get anything more out of the interaction or to develop your read on either of them, you redirected towards emps again
Why? What was more interesting to you about getting something from emps than from trying to clarify your read on two players who were active who you didn’t feel strongly about?
Of course I'm going to redirect from Emps. He had 1 post at the time and had done nothing to ease my concerns about his scummy opener, which, like I said, I want to be confident in, since I've picked some scummy openers out before.
I haven't played in larger games yet, so I don't know how well this would work there, but with these 9 player games I've been operating on a one slot at a time basis. It's how I do things. I'll react in real time interactions with other slots, sure. But I mostly like to keep my work to one slot at a time. I think it helps me attain the best possible reads. Adding two other slots into that mix would make it three at a time, and I could honestly just see myself getting extremely confused.
The only time I do all slots is when I do my full recap of the game and make a proper reads list, which I like to do closer to the end of the day or when a lynch seems to be drawing near.- Uncrowned
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And yeah, I understand the paranoia. Tbh I've been trying to change up my meta slightly between all my games but it's kind of exhausting. I think this game is a decent representation of my natural posting style.
I'm still trying to find a balance between aggression/analysis that provides the best results. I find when I lean too hard into one or the other my reads become ass cheeks- Uncrowned
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After rereading, I'm kind of concerned about this wagon on Aldus. I was suspicious of it earlier, since I liked Ico's thought of it trying to get on what it thought could be an easy wagon, but now I'm having second thoughts. Can someone give a brief case on something I'm missing in it's ISO that could be triggering?
I don't think it's a particularly strong town slot here, but I've seen some posts I kind of like.
Here's what I'm going to do:
I'm going to giveintent to hammerto ensure we get a claim
But I'm also going to put my current vote elsewhere. I like the Emps slot, so my vote there is useless atm.
VOTE: Chemist
I'm self-aware enough to know this is a bad look, but I need something from the Chemist slot. Maybe this vote does nothing, but a counterwagon here is semi-useful at the least imo.
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I don't like looking at one game for reference on a player. I feel like I'm bound to go in there looking for things rather than actually seeing them, leading to a biased view that is more likely to just be what I WANT to take away from my reading, rather than what's actually there.In post 472, Alduskkel wrote:I'm just gonna come out and say that anyone who doesn't read or at least look at Micro 900 isn't doing their due diligence in reading me, Menalque, Iconeum, or emps.- Uncrowned
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That's the third time I've been caught out by a fake vote / fake hammer. I hate myself.
But no, when I gave intent I didn't realize Ico's vote was fake.
Also now I don't feel like an Aldus lynch would be good. Feels like we've lingered around this long enough, the lack of real opposition towards it leads me to believe that scum would be okay with this lynch. Aldus hasn't been particularly scummy imo.- Uncrowned
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Because I'm looking to advance the game. I felt like things were stagnating slightly and I felt like stating intent would be the best way to spice things up.In post 506, emps wrote:uncrowned, why would u declare intent to hammer with 7 days left till deadline? why do u think ico would want aldu to claim this early on?
also aldu i wouldnt consider getting n1 killed as a pr as "working out fine" lmao
Prior to reading Chemist's recent posts, I wanted to lynch him. His posts lately have been... better, but I'm still not really confident on him. I think until I do my reread through of the game, he'd be my preferred lynch.In post 509, AaronFrost wrote:
I'll be honest, my vote is still on Aldus because I'm honestly not sure where else to put it right now. I've been feeling a little better about his recent posting.In post 502, Uncrowned wrote:Also now I don't feel like an Aldus lynch would be good. Feels like we've lingered around this long enough, the lack of real opposition towards it leads me to believe that scum would be okay with this lynch. Aldus hasn't been particularly scummy imo.
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Well, no. What I'm saying is: I don't think Aldus has done anything super scummy, or anything that would warrant the game state seeming kinda unopposed to lynching him. What I saw though, was that he had a few votes on him, and there wasn't a whole lot of progression going on in the game or even much of a reaction to the wagon until Ico did the fake L-1 and I called intent.In post 524, Look At Me Im So Town wrote:
In your experience, do scum often offer resistance to wagons even if they're on scum? Because that hasn't been mine.In post 502, Uncrowned wrote:That's the third time I've been caught out by a fake vote / fake hammer. I hate myself.
But no, when I gave intent I didn't realize Ico's vote was fake.
Also now I don't feel like an Aldus lynch would be good. Feels like we've lingered around this long enough, the lack of real opposition towards it leads me to believe that scum would be okay with this lynch. Aldus hasn't been particularly scummy imo.
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@Aldus
I thought Ico at best was a slight +town for his interaction with HH at the beginning of the game, but he hasn't really done anything to follow up on that to give me confidence in his slot. I didn't really like him suggesting you were trying to jump on him thinking it would be an easy wagon, but I wasn't sure if that was AI.
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I don't like either slot that's up on the chopping block right now, I'd be fine with either of them being lynched, especially since they're both voting one of my stronger TRs at the moment.
LAMIST has flown under my radar a bit too much, so I need to reevaluate that slot. I don't think I have time to do so before the end of this phase, though.
I would prefer a Chemist lynch over Ico, but if deadline approaches and someone from Chemist wagon has switched onto Ico I will hammer.- Uncrowned
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I am the Town Roleblocker.
I roleblocked Emps last night.
So you guys don't have to do it yourself, that means there is one of these three combinations of roles in this game.
Mafia One-Shot Strongman, Town Babysitter Town Roleblocker.
Town Babysitter, Town Roleblocker, Mafia Rolecop.
Town Roleblocker, Mafia Rolecop, Town Rolecop.
The reason my evidence is not conclusive is that there is a chance that there is a Town Babysitter in this game that watched over the person who got picked for the NK.- Uncrowned
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Depends on his flip. If Emps flips red and is also the PR, we're in a very good spot. Babysitter if they exist can go on me (or maybe they won't, HA scum there's some WIFOM for you, take that) and I can go go for someone else I susp.
If he flips red and isn't PR, there's a 1 in 3 chance I die even if I pick the right person to roleblock due to the One-Shot Strongman ability.
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Also, just for the record, I'm pretty confident in Emps being scum. After doing my re-read of the game, he pretty much had no real committal to reads and didn't exhibit much scumhunting throughout the game. I'm not voting yet because I'm about to sleep, then I've got work in the morning until the afternoon, and I don't want to come back and have the next night phase started already after an Emps lynch without saying a few more things. - Uncrowned
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