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Wus poppin

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A bit about me, since I love talking about myself:

I play on EpicMafia. It's a live chat / browser mafia site, but we have a burgeoning forum community, too. I ended up liking forum maf to the point that I pretty much play it exclusively now.

I think my posting style can be--pretty spammy, honestly? I'm a product of my environment. Playing on MS feels like playing mafia in a country club, versus playing on EM, which feels like playing mafia in a back alley behind a seedy restaurant. On EM we meta constantly, we AtE, and there's usually at least one OGI incident or modkill per game. (I won't do any of that here.) No one knows how to host properly and we don't have any kind of setup review, so games are usually some kind of wild, unbalanced PR madness. It's really fun.

I have two game on MS, one on this acc (a scum game), and one on a hydra (a town game). The hydra's name is Oromis. I can also dig up plenty of EM games, if people want to see them. Tbh, I haven't gotten that much value out of metadiving people. But they're there, if other people want them.

Looking forward to playing with everyone.

Epic Mafia? That site still has players? Or is it the same 10 people playing nonstop guns and hookers?
I should tell you that mafiascum is a much better quality and much more fun site than the garbage heap that is that site. That site is like league of legends in bringing out the worst in people. But i shouldnt be preaching, you should know that anyway. Welcome home, brother

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VOTE: Sirius
Third times the charm, aint it

Vote not registering, I’m not a player. UNVOTE: - Sirius

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VOTE: Lost

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Something I've been thinking about. Is it possible to catch scum on page 1? Methodically, I mean. You can guess, of course, and sometimes you get it right. But over many games, can you beat rand? Based just off opening content?

6 of us have posted our bullshit opening lines. At least one is scum. Who is it? Is there even a way to tell?

If everyone played, then yeah. Some people flake d1s like moderator, but we love them for it. Still, it doesnt mean anything alignment indicative. Only if everyone in the game plays maybe you can, and even then you'd have to get a few pages in before you could make something definitive.

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Joqiza seems town here, way too towny in fact. I'll have to think about this some more because the rapid fire responses seem planned. I dont know if its a PP joq pairing yet, but penguins questions feel weak and joqs seem too strong.

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I think I'd prefer to find a scumread first, and then apply pressure, instead of the other way around. Or at least E-1 pressure. PR/VT tells are a thing too.

So why just unvote and not vote me? You had said you thought I was scum based on my opening. Which I guess makes you a United supporter, but you just unvoted rather than voting me. Why?

Ew football

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I think I'd prefer to find a scumread first, and then apply pressure, instead of the other way around. Or at least E-1 pressure. PR/VT tells are a thing too.

So why just unvote and not vote me? You had said you thought I was scum based on my opening. Which I guess makes you a United supporter, but you just unvoted rather than voting me. Why?

Ew football

You... saw my avatar... right? Dont worry, I dont do it too often. Usually just incorporated into my jokes and I'm way more serious than most players on site.

Just kidding, make jokes about soccer all you want. Just dont expect us to understand it, or at least me. All i know about soccer is that literally every team sucks ass and have never accomplished anything, if word of mouth is anything to go by.

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Joqiza seems town here, way too towny in fact. I'll have to think about this some more because the rapid fire responses seem planned. I dont know if its a PP joq pairing yet, but penguins questions feel weak and joqs seem too strong.

Joc asked like 1 question. Most of those posts were responses. I dont understand this post.

Thats what i mean. It seems unnatural to be asking such lightweight questions for pp in specific. Maybe im just being a contrarian. I dont buy the exchange, anyway.

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<something nice>

give me back my pagetop

As a reminder, please be civilized. You can get a pagetop every day. Stop arguing about who gets the pagetop. If you really wanna argue, please be civilized and calm and argue in an orderly manner.

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*nt

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Why am i reasoning with someone who stole my pagetop though

You deserve nothing but scorn

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Joqiza seems town here, way too towny in fact. I'll have to think about this some more because the rapid fire responses seem planned. I dont know if its a PP joq pairing yet, but penguins questions feel weak and joqs seem too strong.

Joc asked like 1 question. Most of those posts were responses. I dont understand this post.

Thats what i mean. It seems unnatural to be asking such lightweight questions for pp in specific. Maybe im just being a contrarian. I dont buy the exchange, anyway.

I'm not taking issue with what you're saying about Penguin. More about what you're saying about Joc. Joc asked literally 1 question (I'm not counting the first page sort of rumination about whether you can catch scum page 1). It wasn't a super strong question. Why did you think Joc's questions were too strong. It seemed weird at the moment so im curious what you meant by it.

Ahh. Thats my bad on the wording. I meant jocs responses to the questions felt too strong, as if they were premeditated.

When did I say anything about absent of questioning?

I've seen lolhammers in the past, and I guess I could see the not-confirmed Player 7 / AFK stumbling back in and hammering. But that wasn't really a concern. I didn't think anyone would really hammer in a 7p.

More, the amount of votes just felt wrong. She said, "ego." It's not commensurate with three votes to me, not after 1 page.

Not only is the wording weird, (who tf says absent of questioning) he speaks very confidently for something thats clearly rvs.

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Joqiza seems town here, way too towny in fact. I'll have to think about this some more because the rapid fire responses seem planned. I dont know if its a PP joq pairing yet, but penguins questions feel weak and joqs seem too strong.

Dong, would you say you read my exchange with PP as SvS? That's the sense I'm getting from the way you've phrased your posts. Or is there a different way you're thinking about the interaction?

That was what i was saying. I think its a possibility, but i dont know how likely it is. More over, do you think my thinking is flawed?

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I guess my read comes more from not having meta knowledge, but i guess someone coming from epic mafia would play like this. I still dont know what to feel about it, and svs is still an option.
On another note, i dont like penguin/lost/almost just tossing people into the town pile. I think its frankly too early to do anything like this and im sure at least one of them is scum. Town wouldnt, or at least shouldnt feel comfortable tossing everyone they see into townpile just 4 pages into a game.

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I guess my read comes more from not having meta knowledge, but i guess someone coming from epic mafia would play like this.

Do you mean the way I've approached RVS so far, when you mean EM meta? Or do you mean something else?

Your thinking on your feet, if that makes sense. My main gripe with how you responded to penguin was more in how quickly you responded and to me seemed like it could be planned in advance. Like i said, im just unaccustomed to seeing a player like you, but thats no reason for scumreading someone.

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On another note, i dont like penguin/lost/almost just tossing people into the town pile. I think its frankly too early to do anything like this and im sure at least one of them is scum. Town wouldnt, or at least shouldnt feel comfortable tossing everyone they see into townpile just 4 pages into a game.

PP and Lost both just TR me. That's one TR, not "tossing everyone they see into townpile." And I think 86 was a joke.

Still, losts third post in the game is tring someone with no given explanation. Maybe pp can be explained since he was talking with you, losts post didnt accomplish much of anything.

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I guess my read comes more from not having meta knowledge, but i guess someone coming from epic mafia would play like this. I still dont know what to feel about it, and svs is still an option.
On another note, i dont like penguin/lost/almost just tossing people into the town pile. I think its frankly too early to do anything like this and im sure at least one of them is scum. Town wouldnt, or at least shouldnt feel comfortable tossing everyone they see into townpile just 4 pages into a game.

You think townbinning people too early is scum motivated?

Its anti town, and i dont think people should be indulging in throwing out random reads for the sake of it. Theres clear danger in townreading scum that might not be obvious at first glance, acting and reading people comprehensibly is good for town while throwing out random reads are not.
Whatever. Its 1 am, i just want to say that yeah its pretty anti town

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On another note, i dont like penguin/lost/almost just tossing people into the town pile. I think its frankly too early to do anything like this and im sure at least one of them is scum. Town wouldnt, or at least shouldnt feel comfortable tossing everyone they see into townpile just 4 pages into a game.

PP and Lost both just TR me. That's one TR, not "tossing everyone they see into townpile." And I think 86 was a joke.

Still, losts third post in the game is tring someone with no given explanation. Maybe pp can be explained since he was talking with you, losts post didnt accomplish much of anything.

do you mean that an outside observer could not get as much info from the conversation despite that they can read every word of it as well?

Penguin asks the questions penguin wants to ask. Unless lost was going to ask the exact same questions, why should he have the exact same read penguin does?
Like i said, penguins is understandable. Probably losts read is as well, but not until he explains it himself.

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I guess my read comes more from not having meta knowledge, but i guess someone coming from epic mafia would play like this. I still dont know what to feel about it, and svs is still an option.
On another note, i dont like penguin/lost/almost just tossing people into the town pile. I think its frankly too early to do anything like this and im sure at least one of them is scum. Town wouldnt, or at least shouldnt feel comfortable tossing everyone they see into townpile just 4 pages into a game.

You think townbinning people too early is scum motivated?

Its anti town, and i dont think people should be indulging in throwing out random reads for the sake of it. Theres clear danger in townreading scum that might not be obvious at first glance, acting and reading people comprehensibly is good for town while throwing out random reads are not.
Whatever. Its 1 am, i just want to say that yeah its pretty anti town

This sort of pushing hard on "anti-town" behavior is different in both tone and content from your past couple of town games. Its not a mirror of your scum game, but I only found one and you replaced out.

This feels like you trying to rush into a read and yet simulatenously not committing to it, since you waffled on whether it was scummy in the beginning.

In principle im voting Dong here, but I dont want to lol hammer.

This is interesting. Its always been my mantra that throwing out townreads too early would be detrimental in helping scum, in fact in one of the recent games i finished i went on umlaut for doing that, newbie 2026. I was town and he was scum there. I'm interested which games you read?
To further elaborate, this has been my mantra for all my games, even my scum games. I generally follow a consistent mindset going from game to game, the only thing that changes when i change alignments are my goals after all. Not that i rolled scum, last game i did was, and i think you found it, a newbie game with cyrus and iconeum in it that was a few thousand pages long, and that was a year ago. I've gotten so used to rolling town that i dont have a scum meta anymore, lol
As for the waffling, i wasnt sure if it was something that was that alignment indicative. I was moreso trying to gauge reactions, though i did believe there was a possibility i was right. Still, i realize it was grasping, and i dont disagree with your assesment.

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The thing about Dong for me, is that, yeah I disagree with a lot of the logic of his posts. I think the SvS read on me/PP was pretty basic, and the 1+/3 pool read in pp/lost/almost was like, pretty contextless (to the point where he had to immediately walk it back to just lost).

Despite this, I just don't know that the way Dong plays is really how scum plays the opening. My man has not outed a single townread. He came in with a big brain 2/2 and then decided to shade lost and almost as well. I kind of stan the energy even if I disagree with the post content itself.

Truth be told, i would do exactly this if i did roll scum It isnt off meta for me to just go hard on everyone for any slights i see, my reading is mostly consistent as both town and scum. Like i said, if you had any problems with my reads, i welcome it. I do realize i was making quite the leaps in logic when presenting that, so i'm fine with criticism.

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A bit exhausted, but still fine. And how are you?

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would u be so kind as to share some reads

Reads are a strong word. I do have a townlean on billy however. I think their posting is down to earth while not being fluffish. I can say the same for joq, but for different reasons. I like posts like 117 and 126. Its also a slight townlean there.
As for the rest, if i had to lynch right now i'd go with almost or penguin.
That leaves me, you and nona. I have no thoughts on nona. I dont think i have enough info to make a lean on you.

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Spoiler: A

The scumteam is not: PenguinPower/DongEmpire

This is the one I feel best about. Why?

Take a close look at 77, 78, and 79; in particular, the mod edits. What exactly happened here? PenguinPower got a pagetop, Dong followed up by making a (probably joking) post about it in which he calls PenguinPower a no-no word. What's interesting is that the mod not only intercedes to censor the word, but issues a word of caution to

stop arguing about it, that getting pagetop is stupid, and if you really want to argue about it do it in a civil manner.

I find it somewhat unlikely that a mod, with perfect information, would interpret and intercede in such a way if PenguinPower/Dong were the exact scumteam (as he would understand, intuitively, that they are theatering).

Beyond just the pure angleshoot, 85 is a sort of direct and biting shade which is unlikely to come from one partner to another.

As of right now, my gun-to-head "gut" read on these two is TvT, but I'll stay wary.

Oh, god, sirius
Well at least it helps us.

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I'll play later today. I've read up mostly