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So why just unvote and not vote me? You had said you thought I was scum based on my opening. Which I guess makes you a United supporter, but you just unvoted rather than voting me. Why?In post 40, joqiza wrote:I think I'd prefer to find a scumread first, and then apply pressure, instead of the other way around. Or at least E-1 pressure. PR/VT tells are a thing too.- Billy Pilgrim
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Is this conditioned on Nona's alignment?
Also, why'd you go over to Lost? How did this interaction with Joc change you feelings on Nona's alignment?- Billy Pilgrim
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Whats up man? 9 points out of a possible 9 and Salah off to a strong start. Up the Reds.In post 52, Almost50 wrote:
Come on, people! Not a single welcome???In post 51, Sirius9121 wrote:A replacement has been found. Almost50 replaces Kool Aid Man. Loading all PMs and settings.- Billy Pilgrim
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Joc asked like 1 question. Most of those posts were responses. I dont understand this post.In post 64, Donempire wrote:Joqiza seems town here, way too towny in fact. I'll have to think about this some more because the rapid fire responses seem planned. I dont know if its a PP joq pairing yet, but penguins questions feel weak and joqs seem too strong.- Billy Pilgrim
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You... saw my avatar... right? Dont worry, I dont do it too often. Usually just incorporated into my jokes and I'm way more serious than most players on site.In post 69, Donempire wrote:
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So why just unvote and not vote me? You had said you thought I was scum based on my opening. Which I guess makes you a United supporter, but you just unvoted rather than voting me. Why?In post 40, joqiza wrote:I think I'd prefer to find a scumread first, and then apply pressure, instead of the other way around. Or at least E-1 pressure. PR/VT tells are a thing too.- Billy Pilgrim
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I'm not taking issue with what you're saying about Penguin. More about what you're saying about Joc. Joc asked literally 1 question (I'm not counting the first page sort of rumination about whether you can catch scum page 1). It wasn't a super strong question. Why did you think Joc's questions were too strong. It seemed weird at the moment so im curious what you meant by it.In post 76, Donempire wrote:
Thats what i mean. It seems unnatural to be asking such lightweight questions for pp in specific. Maybe im just being a contrarian. I dont buy the exchange, anyway.In post 70, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Joc asked like 1 question. Most of those posts were responses. I dont understand this post.In post 64, Donempire wrote:Joqiza seems town here, way too towny in fact. I'll have to think about this some more because the rapid fire responses seem planned. I dont know if its a PP joq pairing yet, but penguins questions feel weak and joqs seem too strong.- Billy Pilgrim
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You think townbinning people too early is scum motivated?In post 93, Donempire wrote:I guess my read comes more from not having meta knowledge, but i guess someone coming from epic mafia would play like this. I still dont know what to feel about it, and svs is still an option.
On another note, i dont like penguin/lost/almost just tossing people into the town pile. I think its frankly too early to do anything like this and im sure at least one of them is scum. Town wouldnt, or at least shouldnt feel comfortable tossing everyone they see into townpile just 4 pages into a game.- Billy Pilgrim
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This sort of pushing hard on "anti-town" behavior is different in both tone and content from your past couple of town games. Its not a mirror of your scum game, but I only found one and you replaced out.In post 103, Donempire wrote:
Its anti town, and i dont think people should be indulging in throwing out random reads for the sake of it. Theres clear danger in townreading scum that might not be obvious at first glance, acting and reading people comprehensibly is good for town while throwing out random reads are not.In post 100, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
You think townbinning people too early is scum motivated?In post 93, Donempire wrote:I guess my read comes more from not having meta knowledge, but i guess someone coming from epic mafia would play like this. I still dont know what to feel about it, and svs is still an option.
On another note, i dont like penguin/lost/almost just tossing people into the town pile. I think its frankly too early to do anything like this and im sure at least one of them is scum. Town wouldnt, or at least shouldnt feel comfortable tossing everyone they see into townpile just 4 pages into a game.
Whatever. Its 1 am, i just want to say that yeah its pretty anti town
This feels like you trying to rush into a read and yet simulatenously not committing to it, since you waffled on whether it was scummy in the beginning.
In principle im voting Dong here, but I dont want to lol hammer.- Billy Pilgrim
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This sort of pushing hard on "anti-town" behavior is different in both tone and content from your past couple of town games. Its not a mirror of your scum game, but I only found one and you replaced out.In post 103, Donempire wrote:
Its anti town, and i dont think people should be indulging in throwing out random reads for the sake of it. Theres clear danger in townreading scum that might not be obvious at first glance, acting and reading people comprehensibly is good for town while throwing out random reads are not.In post 100, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
You think townbinning people too early is scum motivated?In post 93, Donempire wrote:I guess my read comes more from not having meta knowledge, but i guess someone coming from epic mafia would play like this. I still dont know what to feel about it, and svs is still an option.
On another note, i dont like penguin/lost/almost just tossing people into the town pile. I think its frankly too early to do anything like this and im sure at least one of them is scum. Town wouldnt, or at least shouldnt feel comfortable tossing everyone they see into townpile just 4 pages into a game.
Whatever. Its 1 am, i just want to say that yeah its pretty anti town
This feels like you trying to rush into a read and yet simulatenously not committing to it, since you waffled on whether it was scummy in the beginning.
In principle im voting Dong here, but I dont want to lol hammer.- Billy Pilgrim
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I looked at its previous games. It took a while to find a scum game, but its in there.In post 130, joqiza wrote:@BillyPilgrim
You're comparing Dong's behavior this game to previous town/scum games. Were you in those town games? Or did you just look them up yourself?- Billy Pilgrim
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@PP - how strong is your read on Joc?In post 103, Donempire wrote:
Its anti town, and i dont think people should be indulging in throwing out random reads for the sake of it. Theres clear danger in townreading scum that might not be obvious at first glance, acting and reading people comprehensibly is good for town while throwing out random reads are not.In post 100, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
You think townbinning people too early is scum motivated?In post 93, Donempire wrote:I guess my read comes more from not having meta knowledge, but i guess someone coming from epic mafia would play like this. I still dont know what to feel about it, and svs is still an option.
On another note, i dont like penguin/lost/almost just tossing people into the town pile. I think its frankly too early to do anything like this and im sure at least one of them is scum. Town wouldnt, or at least shouldnt feel comfortable tossing everyone they see into townpile just 4 pages into a game.
Whatever. Its 1 am, i just want to say that yeah its pretty anti town
@Dong, does your concern depend on the strength of the read?- Billy Pilgrim
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What made that a town post?In post 109, Lost wrote:i liked 34
do u have a diff opinion on him?- Billy Pilgrim
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Ew.In post 115, Almost50 wrote:In post 105, joqiza wrote: Lastly, imma VOTE: Almost50. I don't know where his head's at. Give me something.
My thoughts are the exact same thoughts pf PP. Whatever he says I agree with, and wherever he votes my vote follows.In post 114, Lost wrote:choochoo
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would like to hear more from you almost. what are your thoughts on dong- Billy Pilgrim
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Why is Dong here?In post 118, Lost wrote:
so you agree with everything dong and pp are saying?In post 115, Almost50 wrote:In post 105, joqiza wrote: Lastly, imma VOTE: Almost50. I don't know where his head's at. Give me something.
My thoughts are the exact same thoughts pf PP. Whatever he says I agree with, and wherever he votes my vote follows.In post 114, Lost wrote:choochoo
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Why would you want to put your partner at E-1 early if youre scum?In post 121, joqiza wrote:
Not really. I can't unvote this one since I'm not on the wagon. Arguably it is a non-associative but IMO surely if I were scum I'd take a chance to put my partner on E-1 early. I would rather get your takes on the interactions between players this game. Even gut reads can be helpful.In post 116, Almost50 wrote:Btw, does me putting someone @E-1 mean anything to you?
Am I interpreting 115 correctly--you TR penguin? Why?- Billy Pilgrim
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I needed to check to make sure he wasn't sitting at E-1. My catchup doesn't always look ahead.In post 127, Lost wrote:
??? how can you lol hammer someone with no votes on himIn post 122, Billy Pilgrim wrote:In principle im voting Dong here, but I dont want to lol hammer.- Billy Pilgrim
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I dont care who scores. I just want the GOOOOOAAALLS!In post 144, Almost50 wrote:@Pilgrim: I am looking forward to seeing a brace (or maybe another hat-trick) tonight. Keep your fingers crossed.- Billy Pilgrim
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Right, but given that hes not a newb, does that still apply?In post 150, Lost wrote:
his intro def set the context for how i read his posts. actively(not the right word but i can't find the appropriate one) jumping off the wagon seems like a newbtown mindset, in that having a wagon grow too fast could potentially end the day early.In post 145, Billy Pilgrim wrote:What made that a town post?
as opposed to newbscum, that wouldn't really care because why should they.- Billy Pilgrim
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Well, you got your brace, but wow didn't everything suck.In post 144, Almost50 wrote:@Pilgrim: I am looking forward to seeing a brace (or maybe another hat-trick) tonight. Keep your fingers crossed.- Billy Pilgrim
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Yeah, im in a bad place at the moment. Can't really think now.In post 171, Almost50 wrote:I don't want to talk about it. I doubt anything I say will make me feel better.- Billy Pilgrim
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A50, since the last time we'd played together, how would you say your game has changed?In post 187, Almost50 wrote:My read on Nona has developed to "unconfident scum" (THEY are unconfident, not my read on them). They are trying to avoid the thread as much as they can and their reads seems to follow consensus with not much originality/genuineness.
So, I now have Lost as a top TR, followed by PP then BP. I have Nona at the bottom of my read list and I have no "personal" read on Dong/Jog (this means I'd still sheep PP in these two, although I might now also consider Lost's reads)- Billy Pilgrim
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This is interesting. I've played a decent bit of games on site and this is the first time someone didn't get a sort of gutted from my playstyle. Most people sort of immediately scumread me while others think its a townie curiosity, but this was an explicit fence-sit until i came out with more reads.In post 199, Nona wrote:
sorry i meant id like to hear more reads/analysis from billy before i think on his alignmentIn post 191, Lost wrote:
could you do that analysis now and then come up with something more concrete?In post 175, Nona wrote:could use some more analysis. i like his questions though, and his approach to joqiza on post 65 was nice.
because all ive seen so far is questions and interactions with others which is nai
Why would my reads help sort me. Let's say I think you're hedging. What does that mean for my alignment? Let's say I think the monkey is a bit out of character because I'm used to him spam posting?
Side note, I like the way dong answered my concerns about it, but ... im concerned because that's what I do as scum. I tend to interrogate the scumreads and like see if parts of it are valid. So im a bit confused how if you think im misrepresenting a sort of playstyle you have that makes me town.
I realize that I didn't vote there after the last votecount and this hasn't really given me a reason to townbin you.
VOTE: Dong
Also, I looked at that game with Umlaut, but didn't see what you were referring to. Can you point me to your back and forth? I'll admit I didn't read the whole game, I was more looking for your early posts because here you seemed to rocket the game out of RVS and I picked up in your town games that you tend to suspect people that do that.- Billy Pilgrim
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Holy shit, are we playing mafia or did someone sign me up for group therapy and not tell me?In post 206, joqiza wrote:Nona, I want to hear exactly what you think of Almost50's push on you. I want to hear the emotional response you had when you saw his vote and read his case on you. I want to hear what you think of the logic he presents, and I want to know what your read on his alignment is.- Billy Pilgrim
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I dont have a read on you either because what I see is a bunch of LAMIST type posting and that tends to be more playstyle indicative than alignment indicative. So what does my null read of you mean for my alignment?In post 217, joqiza wrote:@Almost50
Why would I NOT care about what your read is on me? I am trying to assess if your reads come from a genuine, uninformed, town perspective rather than a fabrication of that. Let me re-phrase what I'm interested in. It's not that I care about your read on ME, it's that I care about your read on the player with the highest post volume and most significant thread presence in the game. That is actually not usually me! But it does happen to be me in this game!
Why does this even make sense? Why would I not want you to look my way if I'm town? What benefit does it confer me that you refuse to read me? The reason I'm pushing it is because I think you ignoring me is scummy.In post 215, Almost50 wrote:You claim to be concerned about eliminating scum today, and -if you're town- you should be content I am not looking your way. Period.
Saying that I'm waiting until tomorrow to read Nona is an outright falsehood. Every post I make towards her is basically me, on my knees, begging her to give me something to work with. If she doesn't contribute more I'll put her on L-1 but I honestly could see town!Nona just walking back into thread and just claiming her role instead of actually bothering to towntell in response to that.
My issue with you is that you claim to be able to divine this sort of read on Nona of "unconfident scum" when in my eyes there's little to suggest that she couldn't just be town that doesn't give a shit. I actually do find the little content she has pretty questionable but for the most part she is unreadable so far and so my strategy is to read AROUND her, figuring out to the alignments of the other players in order to PoE to her alignment. Which is why, by the way, I'm pressuring YOU. You, meanwhile, claim to have figured Nona out while also not having a read on me or Dong.- Billy Pilgrim
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You took that seriously?In post 230, joqiza wrote:The observation about Dong is actually really solid. I originally read 18 as a joke, but looking at it again, it's entirely possible he actually thought Sirius was a player. Which, as Almost pointed out, makes him much less likely to be mafia.- Billy Pilgrim
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A50 played scum with me once when we didn't have daytalk. Him classifying LAMIST for me as a scum tell is like complete bullshit since to some degree its my playstyle. Remember that large normal where I claimed VT early on to get cleared? And I lolhammered someone once in a hydra with Hectic and so now I double check vote counts before putting a vote down.- Billy Pilgrim
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Almost's comment about it.In post 234, joqiza wrote:@BP
18, or Almost's comment about it? I just said I originally read Dong's comment as a joke, but now think it might be serious.- Billy Pilgrim
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Because it was so bizarre it couldn't have been serious. And if hes gonna put this much weight on what seemed to be a joke vote, you don't think he would have asked Dong whether it was a joke?In post 240, joqiza wrote:
Did you not? What indicates that wasn't a serious read?In post 237, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Almost's comment about it.In post 234, joqiza wrote:@BP
18, or Almost's comment about it? I just said I originally read Dong's comment as a joke, but now think it might be serious.- Billy Pilgrim
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This is a product of the fact that I dont have a computer that I play on. I only play on my phone. So that was saying my intention is to vote here, but I want to check a vote count first. Don't know if you've ever tried to play on a phone before, but keeping open a bunch of tabs to check vote counts and search for the most recent VC is a giant pain in the ass. So when I come in the game and notice that there are pages after where I am, I just say things like this so that people can track where I am. I do this as scum too though so its not AI.In post 249, Lost wrote:
i don't think claiming vt is particularly lamist. also still don't get why you didn't vote dong when you said you wanted to. you could have just checked to see if he was e-1.In post 236, Billy Pilgrim wrote:A50 played scum with me once when we didn't have daytalk. Him classifying LAMIST for me as a scum tell is like complete bullshit since to some degree its my playstyle. Remember that large normal where I claimed VT early on to get cleared? And I lolhammered someone once in a hydra with Hectic and so now I double check vote counts before putting a vote down.- Billy Pilgrim
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Yeah, sorry, that was bad. What I mean is I look at the people that scumread me and talk about it to see whether I think its fair or not. I spend a decent bit of time doing this as town too, but I think as scum im more likely to make sure that I give credence to the scumread, as a way to sort of wave it off. So Dong townreading me out of it while taking issue with the substance makes me think its coming from a too much information type place. Like I dont see how town!Dong doesn't look at that and go, wtf, you misrepped my meta, why would you do that. Whereas scum!Dong already knows my alignment so is more concerned with placating me than sorting me.In post 246, Lost wrote:
hi billy i read this 4 times and my brain fell out of my earsIn post 218, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Side note, I like the way dong answered my concerns about it, but ... im concerned because that's what I do as scum. I tend to interrogate the scumreads and like see if parts of it are valid. So im a bit confused how if you think im misrepresenting a sort of playstyle you have that makes me town.
I realize that I didn't vote there after the last votecount and this hasn't really given me a reason to townbin you.
VOTE: Dong
Also, I looked at that game with Umlaut, but didn't see what you were referring to. Can you point me to your back and forth? I'll admit I didn't read the whole game, I was more looking for your early posts because here you seemed to rocket the game out of RVS and I picked up in your town games that you tend to suspect people that do that.
can you clarify:
"i tend to interrogate the scumreads and see the parts that are valid" - is this what you refer to when you say "im concerned because that's what i do as scum", and if so, where was this point brought up in your interaction with dong? if it isn't, then what are you actually referring to
what does not voting dong have to do with not townbinning nona(are you referring to nona?)
and...who is the whole last para directed to? dong?
Did that work better? The townbinning comment was to Dong so I dont know why you were asking about Nona.- Billy Pilgrim
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Oh shit, he caught me. I mean...In post 263, Almost50 wrote:
If I keep outing what specific tells I have on people in every game I will soon be unable to read them myself. It's not like "X tends to be more fluffy/chatty when they're a certain alignment" which is a hard to break meta because even you manage to pretend for sometime you gradually get back to your true nature over the course of the game. But sometimes the tell is so simple it could be faked be faked if found out. (For a HYPOTHETICAL example: Someone uses smilies more often as one alignment but not the other culd easily be circumvented if brought to the player's attention)In post 257, Lost wrote:in the interest of time i would actually prefer if you just shared. i believe meta gained by playing together is more valuable than the information i gain from reading these games- Billy Pilgrim
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Not really well developed. I think Joc seems to be approaching this from a town perspective and you as well.In post 255, Lost wrote:bp what are your reads like?
I think at the moment my primary suspects are Dong and the monkey, which honestly is par for me playing with the monkey. We talk about Liverpool a bit, then we scumread each other for a while.- Billy Pilgrim
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Does im ok with refer to a scum pool or townpool?In post 259, Lost wrote:im ok with bp pp nona dong, although im a little hesitant on pp and nona. not particularly keen on ending a low content day with a an elim on a low poster- Billy Pilgrim
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It wasn't the claim. It was everything around the claim. Obviously claiming vt isn't lamist, its just a role claim.In post 249, Lost wrote:
i don't think claiming vt is particularly lamist. also still don't get why you didn't vote dong when you said you wanted to. you could have just checked to see if he was e-1.In post 236, Billy Pilgrim wrote:A50 played scum with me once when we didn't have daytalk. Him classifying LAMIST for me as a scum tell is like complete bullshit since to some degree its my playstyle. Remember that large normal where I claimed VT early on to get cleared? And I lolhammered someone once in a hydra with Hectic and so now I double check vote counts before putting a vote down.- Billy Pilgrim
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Think Joc and Nona are unlikely to be partners.In post 268, Nona wrote:
i was leaning town on pp for that earlier but thats the only leantown thing i had on ppIn post 209, joqiza wrote:
Nona, you said this, earlier. I sort of took it to mean you were townreading PP. What changed? Or is that not what you meant?In post 101, Nona wrote:back.
i got town vibes from joqiza and pp's interaction earlier.
i also like billy pilgrim's question above^- Billy Pilgrim
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Wait, are you the backup mod or a player?
Backup Mod - SiriusLast edited by Sirius9121 on Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.- Billy Pilgrim
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Nevermind, now I see the 1st post.
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See this is what I was waiting for. Why did you wait until now to out the scumread? In your earlier post, my questions were nai. Now, you claim I've posted a decent amount without much sorting, and its worrying. I gave two people that I thought were likely to be town. Also, my questions were engaging people, so what are you referring to with respect to me not sorting?In post 269, Nona wrote:
i wanted to see more direct stuff from you.In post 218, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
This is interesting. I've played a decent bit of games on site and this is the first time someone didn't get a sort of gutted from my playstyle. Most people sort of immediately scumread me while others think its a townie curiosity, but this was an explicit fence-sit until i came out with more reads.In post 199, Nona wrote:
sorry i meant id like to hear more reads/analysis from billy before i think on his alignmentIn post 191, Lost wrote:
could you do that analysis now and then come up with something more concrete?In post 175, Nona wrote:could use some more analysis. i like his questions though, and his approach to joqiza on post 65 was nice.
because all ive seen so far is questions and interactions with others which is nai
Why would my reads help sort me. Let's say I think you're hedging. What does that mean for my alignment? Let's say I think the monkey is a bit out of character because I'm used to him spam posting?
Side note, I like the way dong answered my concerns about it, but ... im concerned because that's what I do as scum. I tend to interrogate the scumreads and like see if parts of it are valid. So im a bit confused how if you think im misrepresenting a sort of playstyle you have that makes me town.
I realize that I didn't vote there after the last votecount and this hasn't really given me a reason to townbin you.
VOTE: Dong
Also, I looked at that game with Umlaut, but didn't see what you were referring to. Can you point me to your back and forth? I'll admit I didn't read the whole game, I was more looking for your early posts because here you seemed to rocket the game out of RVS and I picked up in your town games that you tend to suspect people that do that.
did you know this is your first vote since rvs?
i agree with practice you could probably read people reliably from their posting behavior but i do not know you and the way you have posted a decent amount without much sorting is worrying.- Billy Pilgrim
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We only have 25 hours left. Lost is the leading wagon with 2 votes, and its Dong's RVS vote and Penguin's vote right after he got off Joc.In post 30, PenguinPower wrote:hmmm
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Care to out the three?In post 280, PenguinPower wrote:I have three good townreads.
VOTE: Dong
Actually prefer Nona but hey. Either one is fine.- Billy Pilgrim
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I'm missing something here. Lost can't be scum with Penguin because he put a second vote on him and game is too small for a 2nd vote on partner, yet I can be scum with Nona when I was the second vote on her on page 1?In post 226, Almost50 wrote:Page 1:
- Joq could be scum with Nona (scum voting partner in RVS tell)
- Billy could be scum with Penguin (same as above)
- Lost is NOT scum with Penguin (game too small for asecond vote on partner on page 1)
- Dong is TOWN. (As per the scum PMs they have DAYCHAT, so mistaking the mod for a player is out of question)
- Billy switching off PP and unto Nona is questionable (another associative tell he may be scum with Penguin)
- 22 is weird, but nit "scummy" kind of weird.
- 23 is even weirder. I'd lean town on Joq, except the reasoning would be an insult to him.
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- Penguin joining Billy on Nona is alarming. Gun-to-my head it's BP+PP for the scum team at this point.
- Joq unvoting Nona is either a town move or a partner move. In other words, Joq can only be scum if Nona is.
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- 53 VERY bad post/response, considering Lost is likely Town. (I -of course didn't have a TR on him back then, hence the vote)
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- 86 was definitely a joke (and not game-related). Just want to make that clear enough by now.
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- 122 Last line is too LAMIST it's almost a scum claim (but it requires you to actually know BP to know what I'm talking about)
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- 163 I stand by this still. By now I am ruling out Lost as scum completely.
- 165 makes me think Joq is very likely town, but it's STILL about Nona, so I will disregard
- 173 OK. I'll go on a limb and say Joq is Town here. Too much effort for scum!him. If I'm wrong, WELL DONE.
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- 189 Another semi-scum-claim by Billy. (Again, you don't need to take my word for it, as I do have experience with himas his scum partner). HOWEVER, it also makes it unlikelt he is scum with Nona.
- At this point, the only viable scum pairs in my view are Nona/Billy Pilgrim, Nona/PenguinPower & Billy Pilgrim/PenguinPower (and still; gun-to-my-head I'd say it's BP+PP. If not, then it's BP+Nona)
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NOTHING changed.
I also "think" I got BOTH our PRs pegged by now (I -of course- made no mention of it at the time9s) I did, so clearing someone at some point has NOTHING to do with them saying something I would consider a crumb or a hint)
VOTE: Penguin
IF I am correct, PP should be the Roleblocker here. (Unless it's him + Nona, in which case either could be the RB). This based on both level of activity and content in their posts comparison between PP & BP
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I can't tell if these are serious, but if they are I'd like to hear the why on A50.
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Did it work?
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So you think hed make the same play again rather than switch it up?In post 289, PenguinPower wrote:Yep. Though more rationale heads prevailed and he lost anyway.- Billy Pilgrim
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You think scum holstered in a game with a cop? Also, we're not in ELO. We're in M-ELO.In post 311, dsjstr wrote:Actually thinking about it more we are in ELO already so cop just needs to give info and then we should play it from there.- Billy Pilgrim
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So you're shading a wagon that *checks notes* you hammered without a claim?In post 316, Nona wrote:i kinda think all the scum are on dongs wagon
i tr joqiza and i kinda liked a50 since the second half of day 1
two in bp/pp/lost
How did you come to this conclusion that both scum were on the wagon?- Billy Pilgrim
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Wtf are you doing? This is MELO. Why are you voting out the gate?In post 321, Almost50 wrote:Dongempire (4): Billy Pilgrim, PenguinPower, Lost, Nona
PenguinPower (1): Almost50
Lost (1): Dongempire
That was a disgusting wagon that lead to a bad elimination and everyone on it should be ashamed of themselves if they're town.
That said, I agree with Nona and I do believe both scum were on it. I am adamant it's most probably PP+BP, and I want to pock up from where I left yesterday.
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Ok this is interesting. I'm inclined to believe this as I dont think that scum A50 would get into an unnecessary 1v1 out the gate in MELO.In post 323, Almost50 wrote:I initially thought I should push PP w/o outing and see who does what, but that elimination on Dong made me think scum could very well force another miselimination today.
ALSO, I agree the Doc should NOT out today. Not just because I'd need them to protect me tonight. but also because dsjstr!'s logic has some merit to it. PP could have very well holstered, but NOT to out the Doc. It was to make ot harder for us to eliminate him today (we need all 4 town votes on him rather than "all" 3 town votes if he had killed someone_. I am not saying I 100% believe he did that, but I'm saying it's not too out of his character.
P.S. If that is true (PP holstered) I'd consider that to be a guilty on BP already. These were the two I was pushing (in addition to Nona) and if BP was Town PP could have very well tried to push him.
P.P.S. I don't think scum!Nona would open the day stating both scum were on the wagon. I am leaning Town on her now.
Over and out.
That said, is there a CC? I'm not counter-claiming. And if this is real and he caught the roleblocker then this is great.- Billy Pilgrim
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In post 0, Sirius9121 wrote:Hello, everyone.
Welcome to my first modding game here, E7
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I didn't think about this, because sometimes I'm a dumbass.In post 326, Almost50 wrote:Then why aren't you voting PP?? I am either the Cop or I am scum, which would mean Scum can't quick hammer.
P.S. I'd LOVE for someone to CC. It would -at least- clear you.
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Dude, wtf? You're not gonna wait until everyone's checked in to see if there's a CC? Like I could do that, because even if A50 was scum there would still be a townie needed to mis-elim. But if you're town, then any scum could pull this off and it may be nice to see where people are at rather than cut the day short.
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Neither dsj nor Nona have weighed in since the initial claim. So there are 3 people that haven't weighed in since A50's claim. Not sure why you've limited it to 1 other option.In post 333, Lost wrote:are you waiting for peng to cc?- Billy Pilgrim
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Cool, so we've got a guilty on PP (PP was the CC i would have been least likely to believe.) The result coupled with the elitell makes it even more likely that its just a guilty and he's trying not to spew associatives. Now it makes sense to look for potential associatives.
If PP is the roleblocker than we get a result tomorrow, so great. If he's not then we won't get a result. Now his three D1 trs were me, A50, and Joc/dsj, and he said his preference was for Nona. Now the A50 tr wasn't a partner and im not his partner. Does anyone have PP scum meta on whether he trs his partners or distances? Because I tr'd Joc, but I also find it weird that he would tr 3 townies, but I guess there's wifom. Also he didn't know he was gonna get guiltied so there is the possibility that he figured those associative wouldn't get revealed.- Billy Pilgrim
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Ok most recent game i checked from scum Pemguin was noir mafia. He RVS'd outside his partner but then seemed to just stay on his partner during D2 and D3 and was on one of his partners with his first serious vote, so that probably weighs a bit more in favor of Nona scum. Also, he only threw out one townpool that game of 3 people and all three were town, so I think that probably builds on my Joc/dsj townread. - Billy Pilgrim
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