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[Almost50]

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Come on, people! Not a single welcome???

[Almost50]

Rude

VOTE: Lost

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[Almost50]

Spoiler:

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[Almost50]

Fuck me!

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Whats up man? 9 points out of a possible 9 and Salah off to a strong start. Up the Reds.

Pilgrim is definitely town

[Almost50]

make jokes about soccer all you want

Football is a simple game. Twenty-two men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans always win. (Actual quote by English footballer Gary Lineker)

[Almost50]

Do I join the scum hunting or the name calling? THAT is the question. (Monkey Shakes a Pear)

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

Lastly, imma VOTE: Almost50. I don't know where his head's at. Give me something.

choochoo

VOTE: almost

would like to hear more from you almost. what are your thoughts on dong

My thoughts are the exact same thoughts pf PP. Whatever he says I agree with, and wherever he votes my vote follows.

[Almost50]

Btw, does me putting someone @E-1 mean anything to you?

[Almost50]

so you agree with everything dong and pp are saying?

I didn't even mention dong in anyway, shape or form.

[Almost50]

Btw, does me putting someone @E-1 mean anything to you?

not rly, but if you continue to push it then maybe i'd be interested.

I'd announce intent and ask for a claim if I were you (and that would be regardless of your own alignment, tbh)

[Almost50]

Not really. I can't unvote this one since I'm not on the wagon.

I'd announce intent and ask for a claim if I were you (and that would be regardless of your own alignment, tbh)

[Almost50]

Am I interpreting 115 correctly--you TR penguin? Why?

I like penguins

[Almost50]

so you agree with everything dong and pp are saying?

I didn't even mention dong in anyway, shape or form.

i mean...

Lastly, imma VOTE: Almost50. I don't know where his head's at. Give me something.

choochoo

VOTE: almost

would like to hear more from you almost.

what are your thoughts on dong

My thoughts are the exact same thoughts pf PP

. Whatever he says I agree with, and wherever he votes my vote follows.

so you agree with everything dong and pp are saying?

kind of implies that what you think of dong is the same as what you think of pp, and that your thoughts on pp are "whatever he says i agree with", hence leading me to the conclusion that whatever dong says, you also agree with

but your reply implies otherwise so....once again....

what are your thoughts on dong

I mean.. I still don't see where the implication of ANYTHING regarding dong came from? YOU asked about dong. I did NOT respond to that part AT ALL. I only responded to the part about you requesting to hear more from me by telling you I am PP's loyal servant and humble slave.

[Almost50]

No. You misinterpreted my words. What I meant is I am a follower of PP. O belong to the PP cult. Whatever he says is what my beliefs are. And that DOES apply to his read on dong too.

[Almost50]

@Pilgrim: I am looking forward to seeing a brace (or maybe another hat-trick) tonight. Keep your fingers crossed.

[Almost50]

I couldn't find a suitable time for me to post this dreadful music in any6 of my other games, so here goes:

Spoiler: Enjoy Duran Duran totally sabotaging a classic Hip Hop favourite of mine

[Almost50]

@PP: I don't think Lost is scum here. If he is, he's got balls of steel.

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

VOTE: Nona

This maybe scum. Let's go..

[Almost50]

@Almost50 I'm confused by 133 and 134. I don't really understand what you're saying there.

Disregard

[Almost50]

I don't want to talk about it. I doubt anything I say will make me feel better.

[Almost50]

My read on Nona has developed to "unconfident scum" (THEY are unconfident, not my read on them). They are trying to avoid the thread as much as they can and their reads seems to follow consensus with not much originality/genuineness.

So, I now have Lost as a top TR, followed by PP then BP. I have Nona at the bottom of my read list and I have no "personal" read on Dong/Jog (this means I'd still sheep PP in these two, although I might now also consider Lost's reads)

[Almost50]

I find it hard to believe you don't have any kind of read on me.

I actually didn't read much, as I don't want to spoil the fun (of reading the whole day in one go). I was antagonized by Lost's response to my 1st post so that's where I started to push. His reaction didn't strike me as one that could come from Scum (at least not from 95% of the players) so I decided to move on. I picked the first name on the list and ISO'd Nona, and I decided that was a good place to investigate, so I voted there. The response does comply with the "Guide for inexperienced Scum". So -in short- I haven't even read any your posts, aside from this one I'm responding to.

[Almost50]

A50 going after the low hanging fruit does give me concern.

Ask me if I care.

[Almost50]

am conflicted about the second half of the read. where do you think her reads look disingenuous?

i got town vibes from joqiza and pp's interaction earlier.

This is both a fence-sit and going with the flow. At least 3 people had stated a TR on joq by this time, and at least one stated a TR on PP

do you mean that an outside observer could not get as much info from the conversation despite that they can read every word of it as well?

oh i see. you mean unless lost has the same thoughts as penguin's regarding joqiza's thoughts early on he shouldn't have the same read.

These two posts accomplish nothing. The first is a question and the second is a reiteration of the answer Nona got for that question. Now what do we get from that? What does NONA get from it?? NOTHING.

i like nona

hi nona what do you think about billy

could use some more analysis. i like his questions though, and his approach to joqiza on post 65 was nice.

Non-committal. (Hint: If Nona is Scum Pilgrim could very well be their partner)

P.S. Yes, I know I said I kind of TR Pilgrim, but that's an independent read and ignoring associatives because we didn't flip Nona yet.

penguin i sus over what i think is a lack of content despite having over two dozen posts. the only concrete stuff i had on him was his read on you.

regarding your case i agree that it might be unlikely they are a team. i don't think scum would interact with his partner this way.

A couple of people questioned the TRs on PP, so the read conveniently changed here. Also agrees to whatever joq had said (A50+PP isn't a valid team).

[Almost50]

Read me with your chest and tell me what you think my alignment is.

I don't want to. The consensus is that you're town. Either the majority is correct OR it would be hard to convince then to eliminate you today.

Also, I didn't say I don't have the time. I said I want to read the whole day AFTER we get a flip. That helps me more.

[Almost50]

If I'm scum, I'm dangerous.

I don't know that, now do I? (i.e. did we play together before?)

[Almost50]

Let me ask you a direct (and very simple) question: WHY would you care what my read on you is? I already explained you are not today's elimination anyway, so what seems to bother you???

Unless -of course- you (as a dangerous scum) want to collect reads from today and then compare them to reads provided tomorrow in order to spot the Cop.

You claim to be concerned about eliminating scum today, and -if you're town- you should be content I am not looking your way. Period.

As for actual Scum, I have provided you with a SR on Nona, but you refuse to take sides on it. "They could be anything" is hardly a committed read, and if you think they're not posting enough content you should pressure THEM to produce more if you're so concerned about eliminating correct today.

I am treating you the same way as YOU are treating Nona (let it wait till tomorrow) except I am not the one making all the noise about it.

[Almost50]

Page 1:

- Joq could be scum with Nona (scum voting partner in RVS tell)
- Billy could be scum with Penguin (same as above)
- Lost is NOT scum with Penguin (game too small for asecond vote on partner on page 1)
- Dong is TOWN. (As per the scum PMs they have DAYCHAT, so mistaking the mod for a player is out of question)
- Billy switching off PP and unto Nona is questionable (another associative tell he may be scum with Penguin)
- 22 is weird, but nit "scummy" kind of weird.
- 23 is even weirder. I'd lean town on Joq, except the reasoning would be an insult to him.

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- Penguin joining Billy on Nona is alarming. Gun-to-my head it's BP+PP for the scum team at this point.
- Joq unvoting Nona is either a town move or a partner move. In other words, Joq can only be scum if Nona is.

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- 53 VERY bad post/response, considering Lost is likely Town. (I -of course didn't have a TR on him back then, hence the vote)

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- 86 was definitely a joke (and not game-related). Just want to make that clear enough by now.

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- 122 Last line is too LAMIST it's almost a scum claim (but it requires you to actually know BP to know what I'm talking about)

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NOTHING

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- 163 I stand by this still. By now I am ruling out Lost as scum completely.
- 165 makes me think Joq is very likely town, but it's STILL about Nona, so I will disregard
- 173 OK. I'll go on a limb and say Joq is Town here. Too much effort for scum!him. If I'm wrong, WELL DONE.

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- 189 Another semi-scum-claim by Billy. (Again, you don't need to take my word for it, as I do have experience with him

as his scum partner

). HOWEVER, it also makes it unlikelt he is scum with Nona.
- At this point, the only viable scum pairs in my view are Nona/Billy Pilgrim, Nona/PenguinPower & Billy Pilgrim/PenguinPower (and still; gun-to-my-head I'd say it's BP+PP. If not, then it's BP+Nona)

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NOTHING changed.

I also "think" I got BOTH our PRs pegged by now (I -of course- made no mention of it at the time9s) I did, so clearing someone at some point has NOTHING to do with them saying something I would consider a crumb or a hint)

VOTE: Penguin

IF I am correct, PP should be the Roleblocker here. (Unless it's him + Nona, in which case either could be the RB). This based on both level of activity and content in their posts comparison between PP & BP

@Joq: Happy now?? I aim to please!

[Almost50]

FTR, I didn't feel the need to request a PT, but I did PM the mod whom I thought were the PRs. I guess I'll find out post-game how many of my FOUR guesses were spot on (2 specific PR reads + 2 specific SR reads)

[Almost50]

I'm not quite there on Lost, I don't think he's been scummy per se but his questions seem pretty basic and I don't really seem why him chilling on E-1 for a few pages is clearing. If you can get me there that would be great. Genuinely open to hearing your point of view.

I don't really know how to explain it, but it boils down to experience. Most scum (especially the new generation) do not feel "at ease" being put @E-1, so they either become overly hostile, overly defensive, or turn to trolling. Well composed scum at this situation is rare, and especially so among the new generation (players who started playing 2018 or later)

[Almost50]

With Penguin, I sort of like his straightforward posting style,

You don't know Scum!PP.

PP ia a player who "appears" not to be doing anything at all (as either alignment) but is very much a "criminal mastermind" when he needs to be. Give me some time and I'll link you a couple of his scum games. (remind me if I forget after I'm done catching up here)

[Almost50]

Also, how are you reading for scum PR? Just proclivity to bussing?

As I said, activity+substance. PP's posting is designed to make him survive longer than "his partner". Billy is being active and tackling many, making him more likely to be either wagoned or investigated. Nona (assuming she is scum with PP) is also inviting the Cop investigation to her over PP.

[Almost50]

Scum!PP 1
Scum!PP 2
Scum!PP 3

P.S. Sorry I can't provide a Micro as I hardly ever play those myself. This is maybe my 3rd or 4th over 5 years on MafiaScum.

[Almost50]

Check the games I linked for scum!PP first and then ask me about his town game if you still want to. (And yes, it's hard to tell the difference between Scum!PP & Town!PP, but I kinda have a "little edge" there due to having played with him more than a dozen (maybe even a couple of dozens) if games.

[Almost50]

i believe that dong and sirius do have some history, and so i don't think 18 is a very good towntell/slip.

Here's how I thought of it exactly: "3rd time is the charm" meant he genuinely thought he was playing with Sirius for a 3rd time. Unless he played UNDER Sirius as the mod twice before (??!!). I don't know about the confirmation part (as I wasn't here at the start of the game to gauge the time between receiving the tole PM and Dong's post). I can tell you this much though: I sometimes forget who the mod is myself, and especially so when I'm playing in multiple games and the mod(s) of my games are playing with me in other games.

I won't be stubborn about it and I accept I may have overestimated the tell. I will still want to eliminate between BP and PP today though, and the Cop can pick their check on their own from the living players.

[Almost50]

in the interest of time i would actually prefer if you just shared. i believe meta gained by playing together is more valuable than the information i gain from reading these games

If I keep outing what specific tells I have on people in every game I will soon be unable to read them myself. It's not like "X tends to be more fluffy/chatty when they're a certain alignment" which is a hard to break meta because even you manage to pretend for sometime you gradually get back to your true nature over the course of the game. But sometimes the tell is so simple it could be faked be faked if found out. (For a HYPOTHETICAL example: Someone uses smilies more often as one alignment but not the other culd easily be circumvented if brought to the player's attention)

[Almost50]

Dongempire (4): Billy Pilgrim, PenguinPower, Lost, Nona
PenguinPower (1): Almost50
Lost (1): Dongempire

That was a disgusting wagon that lead to a bad elimination and everyone on it should be ashamed of themselves if they're town.

That said, I agree with Nona and I do believe both scum were on it. I am adamant it's most probably PP+BP, and I want to pock up from where I left yesterday.

VOTE: Penguin

[Almost50]

You know what? FUCK IT. I am the Cop and PP is a Mafioso. ALL my play of yesterday was designed to evade the NK (including the "VT" slip). I -in fact- crumbed it in my very first post. My very first 3 words, even.

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Yesterday I made a case and deduced PP is the likely RB. We eliminate him today and take our chances. If he is the RB then I can get at least one more check. If he's the goon.. GOOD LUCK to us all.

[Almost50]

I initially thought I should push PP w/o outing and see who does what, but that elimination on Dong made me think scum could very well force another miselimination today.

ALSO, I agree the Doc should NOT out today. Not just because I'd need them to protect me tonight. but also because dsjstr!'s logic has some merit to it. PP could have very well holstered, but NOT to out the Doc. It was to make ot harder for us to eliminate him today (we need all 4 town votes on him rather than "all" 3 town votes if he had killed someone_. I am not saying I 100% believe he did that, but I'm saying it's not too out of his character.

P.S. If that is true (PP holstered) I'd consider that to be a guilty on BP already. These were the two I was pushing (in addition to Nona) and if BP was Town PP could have very well tried to push him.

P.P.S. I don't think scum!Nona would open the day stating both scum were on the wagon. I am leaning Town on her now.

Over and out.

[Almost50]

Then why aren't you voting PP?? I am either the Cop or I am scum, which would mean Scum can't quick hammer.

P.S. I'd LOVE for someone to CC. It would -at least- clear you.

[Almost50]

@BP: I'm nor gonna accuse you of anything (i.e. not gonna call you conf-scum because of this) but.. dude. That crumb is a TRADE MARK of mine, I don't even know how PP missed it.

But, OK.. let's just say you're being too careful. Nothing wrong with that.

[Almost50]

Hmm.. I am surprised.. would even say I am shocked, but BP's last 3-4 posts do show a townie mindset. I must've overlooked something or I may have cleared someone too soon (Hint: Evidently that wasn't Dong, so probably someone who objected to the clear on Dong).

OK, so it's probably Lost > Joq iirc?? Actually Lost >>> Joq, because my reason to have TR's Lost was much weaker than that why I TR'd Joq, AND because I am leaning that Dong elimination would not have gone through without BOTH scum being on it.

[Almost50]

Because I showed why he was TOWN in my PoV, and was pressured to lower my TR confidence on him, then he was voted to oblivion still. "Someone" wanted him dead. Nona could sure be PPs partner still, as I now realized she made her declaration both scum were on the wagon before I outed my guilty on PP, so probably expected herself to have been checked and went for some WIFOM, maybe?

Yeah, I'd still want to check between her and Lost, except if she is the RB and not PP then I won't be getting a result anyway, but I'm 95% confident if we kill them both the Town wins anyway.

[Almost50]

Unless they can shoot someone from beyond the grave I am not a bit worried.

[Almost50]

A50, you think there's any reason to keep the day going?

Not at all.

[Almost50]

Anyone want to take a guess at who Mr. Monkey copped last night

Spoiler: My Guess

Me!!

I like this a LOT.

Yeah, you're Town. So, who do you think is the Goon and why?

[Almost50]

hmmmmm was pretty sure it was pp/Nona

between dsj and BP it's probably BP.

Monkey let me know if there's a reason I shouldn't vote Lost.

You two can cross-vote already. I'll be talking to dsjstr! about this (But of course you may try to convince us that the other one is the Goon)

[Almost50]

Anyone want to take a guess at who Mr. Monkey copped last night

Spoiler: My Guess

Me!!

i think he probably checked either me or nona

Nope. I had a hunch the kill was going to be on someone on the wagon (and was hoping it was NOT on Nona) so I checked the one outside the wagon (the D1 Wagon, that is)

[Almost50]

@dsj: Do you have a case for/against either of them?

[Almost50]

You do rea;oze Billy was the first voter on Dong though, right? Why wouldn't he unvote if he didn't like the wagon?

[Almost50]

*realize

[Almost50]

Okie dokie, so Lost it is (and BP saved scum on D1)

Btw, I am 3/4 if Lost is scum, and 4/4 if BP is scum. I guessed Nona was the Doc on D1 (Mod may confirm post-game) and I guessed PP was RB correct, but I thought BP was his partner. I also -somehow- knew who the Cop was *teehee*

Ready to end the game?

[Almost50]

Actually, you're town so I can vote already and you can hold your vote if you want to..

VOTE: Lost

[Almost50]

Take your time, No pressure.

[Almost50]

I didn't. The only thing I lied about was keeping Nona as a possible scum p to PP as a way to protect her from the NK (and my mistake was probably declaring a TR on her on D2)

[Almost50]

Who did you attempt to shoot on N1?

[Almost50]

You did well either way. Sorry to have upset you by keeping you in the lynch pool towards the end of D1, but -as I explained- it was an attempt to keep you alive. (Sometimes I am that sophisticated)