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Yeah, I think being scum at least once would be neat.
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I'm not sure. I think that the neighborhoods may be a bit more beneficial for the 3 person neighborhood, because the town players over there know that they are in a room with exactly 1 scum and 1 town, so it is a narrower lens to examine.In post 12, GuiltyLion wrote:hi diddly ho neighborinos
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If I were scum, I probably would have put myself in the 3p neighborhood, because it seems important for the better/more experienced scum player to be in this neighborhood.In post 11, marcistar wrote: scum is so hard tho.. what would you do if you were scum?
before last game i've only been vt
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It could have been funny to put me + you + Norwee all in the 3p neighborhood. Because I might be able to convince Norwee that you would have designed our neighborhood that way
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So far I am leaning Not_Mafia. But then I have a physiological negative reaction to having a Day 1 scum read on Not_Mafia :sick:
I am cautious of giving Bingle a TR though. I have not finished my other game with him yet, but the way everyone else speaks of him makes me worried about facing him as scum in the future.
Norwee's reaction to Not_Mafia seems the same as I saw in our last game, and the fact that he is pushing for us to vote in the 6P neighborhood gives him bonus points imo.
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Was thinking more about this, and realized that our neighborhood will probably be more powerful once we have purged the scum from it, because it will be only confirmed town in here.In post 12, GuiltyLion wrote:hi diddly ho neighborinos
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I get the feeling that the neighborhoods are good for the basic information that we gained of there being exactly 1 in each, and the chat is probably better for the people in the 3p chat to be able to solve that neighborhood, and the 6p chat will become really useful after the scum is eliminated.
I agree that this neighborhood seems a bit useless atm, but that is not necessarily a flaw with the setup, I mean most 9 player games are filled with 5 vanilla townies, so we are the 5 town players that are filling that space in this set up.
I mean it would be better for the town to mafia to lose day talk, but I don't know that that would make the setup better or not. Do you think that the mafia are in need of a nerf? They already have the nerf that one person cannot ever bus the other Day 1 no matter what.In post 22, GuiltyLion wrote:this setup would be better without mafia daytalk IMO, it makes the hood almost completely pointless unless we eliminate the scum from it. I guess scum have to be careful about not slipping that they know what was discussed in the other hood, but that doesn't seem that difficult- Lukewarm
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YeahIn post 26, GuiltyLion wrote:Lukewarm, were you aware of mafia daytalk when you were giving your reads on NM/Bingle in here?
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I am interested in hearing form Not_Mafia/Norwee/Bingle about GL not thinking there was a NK. And then letting them know that he also mentioned in here that he did not realize there was Daytalk, to see if that changes their opinions on the matter. So please don't out that info until after they have responded.- Lukewarm
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I posted the question in the main thread, but did not want any of you to mention it before they answered.In post 33, Hopkirk wrote:
why did you post this in hereIn post 31, Lukewarm wrote:I am interested in hearing form Not_Mafia/Norwee/Bingle about GL not thinking there was a NK. And then letting them know that he also mentioned in here that he did not realize there was Daytalk, to see if that changes their opinions on the matter. So please don't out that info until after they have responded.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Yeah, we already had the conversation I was looking for. They all 3 had the exact same interpretation, so it was not as enlightening as I had hopped lolI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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I pointed it out in 171I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Not sure tbh
I was thinking that if someone started by saying it could be staged/genuine in the main thread, but then decided it was genuine/staged after learning that they did it in twice would indicate town.
ie, changing opinion after learning new information they did not already have, because scum would have that neighborhood information already because I posted my post 31 in here explaining why I was asking to begin with, and scum would have shared with them.
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I purposefully explained my line of questioning in here, so that the scum partners would share.
(I just really wanted to make the neighborhoods useful)
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I was not using it to spot the scum. I was trying to spot a town.
Scum would already know. Town would not already know.
So someone responding like they were getting new information would more likely be town.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Yeah - it fell through regardless, because no one had a changing opinion.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Hopkirk. Bingle convinced me lolI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Of course now I am probably gonna be hammered by Not_Mafia as soon as he check inI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Basically post 402.In post 55, marcistar wrote:
what'd he do to convince u?In post 51, Lukewarm wrote:Hopkirk. Bingle convinced me lol
I started out responding to Hopkirk without actually looking back at my first game. I was just responding to what he said and sorta remembering.
But Bingle then went back and quoted my own post from my first game, and I was like "wait? This is what Hopkirk is saying was me posting better / with more direction" and went back and looked at my very first game.
And I cannot picture Hopkirk's argument being genuine if you compare that game's first like 4ish irl days to this game's first 4ish irl games.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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I will do a rethink on Bingle. Like, I know that if the mafia in 6p is eliminated, then the mafia lose, and I felt like I was at the point where I was getting close to being eliminated.In post 60, marcistar wrote:
tbh the way ur painting out it just seems likeIn post 57, Lukewarm wrote:
Basically post 402.In post 55, marcistar wrote:
what'd he do to convince u?In post 51, Lukewarm wrote:Hopkirk. Bingle convinced me lol
I started out responding to Hopkirk without actually looking back at my first game. I was just responding to what he said and sorta remembering.
But Bingle then went back and quoted my own post from my first game, and I was like "wait? This is what Hopkirk is saying was me posting better / with more direction" and went back and looked at my very first game.
And I cannot picture Hopkirk's argument being genuine if you compare that game's first like 4ish irl days to this game's first 4ish irl games.
well like, it seems like hopkirk made the arguments with good intentions now imo, but you're stuck on it.
it also seems like bingle has got you good, i think white knighting or sumthin?? idk what the term that im thinking of is, but it def seems like hes doing sumn to u.
more than anything, i think you guys just have different povs. i dont really like.. see hopkirk as scum anymore, but like you cause confusion in my brain, but this doesn't seem like a scummy fight, more like just a mess in thread to distract?
its so hard for me to find scum this game i think its prob someone not talking then
If Bingle is scum, it seems dangerous to keep stepping in to stop eliminations on people in the 6P. Like he disagreed with both Norwee and Not_Mafia about scumreading you, and your wagon has been derailed. Then my wagon started building, and he stepped up to defend me.
I feel like you and I are both town, so him saving both of us from being eliminated Day 1, while also pushing for the Day1 vote to be in the 6p neighborhood seems like scum!bingle would be putting himself dangerously close to auto losing. If Bingle is scum, and you are town, then Bingle defending me looks like he is giving himself a 1 in 4 to just outright lose today.
Compared to Norwee, who has been on board with both scum pushes that have formed (first you, then me). And Not_Mafia who has insisted that he wants us to vote in the 3p neighborhood.
Right now, it just feels like Bingle's play would be drastically increasing the scum's chance to outright lose today.
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Hey Marci, would you feel bad it you pocketed me so hard that I spent 25% of day 1 defending you, and then it turns you you were scum?I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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My whole point is not to get you to trust me, but to get you to trust Bingle. I think I have shown that I am pretty shit at convincing people of my own reads, so I am hoping people will look back over Bingle's iso knowing that it is 100% guaranteed to be coming from town.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Still glad I set up the hopkirk/Bingle vote dynamic.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Yeah, we can chat in the nightIn post 71, marcistar wrote:are we still allowed to post in here?
if i was scum i would feel bad, but im not.In post 64, Lukewarm wrote:Hey Marci, would you feel bad it you pocketed me so hard that I spent 25% of day 1 defending you, and then it turns you you were scum?
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I still stand by my decision by the way.
Bingle convinced me that Hopkirk was scum, but marci telling me that she thought Bingle was playing me convinced me that if there was chance that hopkirk was town, then that meant that Bingle was scum.
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I think I was reading somethings "not what I would in his position" to mean "is not town."In post 79, GuiltyLion wrote:I shoulda been more certain about his bad read on nEE, nEE was pretty clear town IMO
(specifically how he handled his poe in regards to Marci. If I thought Marci was scum, I would have pushed her, but if I poe'd it down to marci or dunn, I would have voted dunn 100% of the time just because I know this is her first game outside of the Newbie queue)
I guess "not what I would do" =/= "not what town would do"
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I am sad to say that a Bingle scum flip does up the scum!marci equity
So (based off of memory, without reading back over the thread yet) I think I am dropping vanders scum down as less likely, and I think Dunn is my top choice for a partner
Bingle offered to trade a Day 1 Vanders vote for a Day 2 Hopkirk vote. After marci and guilty lion both voted Vanders. This makes it hard for me to see a (Vanders, Bingle) team. And like, I was deep in Bingle's pocket. Surely he knew there was a chance I was going to join that wagon when he made the statement. That right there is enough to put Vanders at e-1
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So I just finished a game with Dunn (ended today, so I am no longer in 3 games simultaneouslyIn post 86, marcistar wrote:dunnstral doesn't feel like scum right now, but i feel like we'll have to wait and see what content he posts when he gets a bit better at posting SMSK does that happen? didn't someone say it does..?) And in that game he posted 144 posts in 8 days. In this game he posted 14 posts in 6 days...
And like, they were concurrent days, so he was on site, just not posting in this game in particular
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In post 61, Lukewarm wrote: Right now, it just feels like Bingle's play would be drastically increasing the scum's chance to outright lose today.
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It is strange how switching from the main thread to this thread, suddenly it feels so much more relaxed.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Wait. Just checked, and he had 29 posts in Day 1, and 115 posts Day 2In post 90, Lukewarm wrote:
So I just finished a game with Dunn (ended today, so I am no longer in 3 games simultaneouslyIn post 86, marcistar wrote:dunnstral doesn't feel like scum right now, but i feel like we'll have to wait and see what content he posts when he gets a bit better at posting SMSK does that happen? didn't someone say it does..?) And in that game he posted 144 posts in 8 days. In this game he posted 14 posts in 6 days...
And like, they were concurrent days, so he was on site, just not posting in this game in particular
He was town that game btw
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Thats cool. I just did not want you and dunn to keep building up a back and forth without thinking about our confirmed townieI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Dunn never showed up to carryIn post 96, marcistar wrote:
ahh thats okay then ^.^ lets wait until hes here to carry usIn post 95, Lukewarm wrote:Wait. Just checked, and he had 29 posts in Day 1, and 115 posts Day 2
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Marci, once this game is over, do you think that you are going to go back to the newbie queue as an SE, or try out more of these varied setups?I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Congrats about Graduation!In post 114, marcistar wrote:
if it ends fairly soon ill prob go full afk for a few weeks while i speedrun my final projects & hs graduation processIn post 113, Lukewarm wrote:Marci, once this game is over, do you think that you are going to go back to the newbie queue as an SE, or try out more of these varied setups?
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otherwise, maybe a mix of both?
im so so much more confident in the newbie queue than in this game
but then like, i need to try to get better ykyk? and even tho the outside of newbie queue is scary, i think i just need to suck it up and have a bestie play alongside me as well.
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I would much rather everyone have a unique style then everyone posting the exact same way. Would be more boring that way.In post 116, marcistar wrote:
am i actually? i feel like alot of people hate my style SMSMSKIn post 115, Lukewarm wrote:Just wanna make sure you stick around, you are a fun person to play with
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Also, can you drop your hopkirk town case in here before the new day starts?I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Looking back at the thread, in the two pages leading up to Bingle tanking his own push, me and dunn both stated our sr's on Hopkirk, and norwee, you, and marci all voted vanders.In post 119, GuiltyLion wrote:Luke, I see your argument that Bingle torpedo'd his own Hopkirk push, but I felt he did that right as Vanders was getting pressure, which to me increases Vander scum!equity, not Hop. I really don't think Bingle would have had enough control over the gamestate to avoid the possibility of us eliminating Hopkirk yesterday and I really think it's tinfoil hat thinking to be having Hop as top suspect. I'd definitely re-evaluate and not rule anything out if he lived to F3, but it just does not feel like the most likely pairing at all to me.
I think that bingle's stopped both of those pushes from ever happening.
I am more then happy to include Vanders in the list of people Bingle saved day 1, I just do not want everyone to hard clear hopkirk based on Bingle pushing him.
I am not even 100% sure that I have Hopkirk as my number 1 choice to vote out,
I saw a case for scum hopkirk, and I built it and pushed hard to see how everyone would respond. I often present myself as more sure of the things that I am pushing then I really am.
As for reactions, I did not like hopkirks response. If anything his response caused me to take the case more seriously.
I did however like Marci's response. I have moved marci back into the town bin, and regret ever letting myself poe myself down to a vote there.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
They're super opinionated and make a lot of assumptions, they're also pretty clumsy with word choice - Bell
Luke, respect for your scumgame has gone up massively - Hectic - Lukewarm
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