Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Shaziro]

Question stands.

[Titus]

@Ranmaru, Frankly, the gamma vote is ok. I am concerned about patterns. Kochi has the most votes to lynch yet players are not wanting to create a counterwagon for the host vote. One of the lead wagons is also highly likely to be scum due to wagon participation so I am reluctant to unvote.

I'm needing to see more things atm.

[Shaziro]

I'm heading to bed soonish. I'd like an answer from Titus and ActionDan when I wake up, and am willing to trade Spices and Silk for them. Pls accept trade agreement TIA.

[Titus]

I'm heading to bed soonish. I'd like an answer from Titus and ActionDan when I wake up, and am willing to trade Spices and Silk for them. Pls accept trade agreement TIA.

I am kinda null on him atm. Gun to my head town for asking why my vote was on Gamma.

[Kokichi Oma]

Kochi has the most votes to lynch

No I don't.

[Kokichi Oma]

Dear Joey,

Do you wish to sign a Mutual Defense Treaty between our 2 Nations?

Kindly,
Kokichi

[BuJaber]

Is there a reason why people are soft (and in some cases hard) claiming their civs? I sort of got the impression from OP it's best not to.

@Koki - then I apologize for lumping you with the vets. I assumed you were an alt. I assume most new players to be alts. I haven't thought about why. Some just sound like they know a lot of players. If I'm defensive is because you are counterwagoning me which means either I'm getting shade thrown at me by scum or it's a case of TvT and one of us ends up dead.

@dunker - it's only stupid if you knew delegate votes are final. If you truly didn't then it's still not good but not particularly bad. (If you truly didn't then it reads just like an RVS vote).

Regardless of whether or not koki is scum voting for dunker doesn't make sense. Like gamma explained and I explained before him if koki is town it makes zero sense for scum!dunker to vote him for host. So the only way dunker is scum is if koki is too.

So basically if you think koki could be scum vote for him. If you think he's town don't vote for either of them.

[Joey_]

@Ranmaru, Frankly, the gamma vote is ok. I am concerned about patterns. Kochi has the most votes to lynch yet players are not wanting to create a counterwagon for the host vote. One of the lead wagons is also highly likely to be scum due to wagon participation so I am reluctant to unvote.

I'm needing to see more things atm.

Dear Titus,

Our Nation believe that you are forgetting this is a 21 player UN Council, there is much more variance than a 10p Council. The non-formation of a Counter-Host Vote is less indicative in said Council with a lower number of members.

Kindly,
Prime Minister of ****

[Kokichi Oma]

@Koki - then I apologize for lumping you with the vets. I assumed you were an alt. I assume most new players to be alts. I haven't thought about why. Some just sound like they know a lot of players. If I'm defensive is because you are counterwagoning me which means either I'm getting shade thrown at me by scum or it's a case of TvT and one of us ends up dead.

This is just wrong. Because I gave reasons for scumreading you.

[Kokichi Oma]

Also if you think that we could be TvT why are you still voting me? And why aren't you trying to get more info from me?

[Titus]

@Ranmaru, Frankly, the gamma vote is ok. I am concerned about patterns. Kochi has the most votes to lynch yet players are not wanting to create a counterwagon for the host vote. One of the lead wagons is also highly likely to be scum due to wagon participation so I am reluctant to unvote.

I'm needing to see more things atm.

Dear Titus,

Our Nation believe that you are forgetting this is a 21 player UN Council, there is much more variance than a 10p Council. The non-formation of a Counter-Host Vote is less indicative in said Council with a lower number of members.

Kindly,
Prime Minister of ****

Dear Joey,

Our nation will try not to be offended at your faux pas as I am a scientist of vote counts. Every VC tells a story. We just need the data to listen. I value vcs and mechanics as much if not more than diplomacy.

[Joey_]

Dear Joey,

Do you wish to sign a Mutual Defense Treaty between our 2 Nations?

Kindly,
Kokichi

Dear Kokichi Oma,

As our nominee for Host of the UN Council we are inclined to accept an ambassy in our metropolis. But, our Nation are knows as traders and merchants and we would like something in return. For 30 turns of gold and salt we will open the borders for your own Nation and your city states allies.

In a effort to keep the correspondance count low, we as a Nation will also answer to Titus.

Dear Titus,

I want you to understand that I am sensible to your own Nation advancement in VC knowledge. We, our Nation, does values the VC but probably not the same way your Nation does. This is most likely explained by cultural background. I hope you understand.

Kindly,
Prime Minister of *****

[BuJaber]

Also if you think that we could be TvT why are you still voting me? And why aren't you trying to get more info from me?

I don't think you're town. But if you are telling the truth then it's TvT. Also I always get paranoid when people are having 1v1s in thread and a bunch of players aren't even posting anything. Like could it be tactical lurking and allowing town to implode. But then how do you pick one lurker over another. I've tried voting for a lurker randomly when I suspect that scum are lurking in previous games and people don't seem to like it at all. They ask me why I don't like 'X' when in reality 'X' could have been any lurker and I don't have any particular reason to go after 'X' specifically.

I'll bite. Let's have a conversation.

I like to take it one player at a time so what do you think of joey?

Personally he seems like he's trying to do his part to help town, advance the conversation and understand how people think.

However his deep role play is making it harder to understand what he means as it pertains to the mafia game. As in I have to work harder to translate it into what he means in terms of mafia mechanics. Like if he were to just speak like he would in a normal game his posts will make more sense. I am trying not to let that affect my perception but could that be AI? Or is that just indicative of how smart (or not) I am?
Also a different question that may or may not be related to your answer, have you played with him before?

[Nero Cain]

Is there a reason why people are soft (and in some cases hard) claiming their civs? I sort of got the impression from OP it's best not to.

What makes you think that?

[brassherald]

Is there a reason why people are soft (and in some cases hard) claiming their civs? I sort of got the impression from OP it's best not to.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I felt a hard claim of my civ was a good move. I have my reasons, everyone will see why later.

[Creature]

Why is this? After noting Shaziro's post, can you tell me why you are being quiet this game?

I'm letting things roll.

[Creature]

Lacking townreads rn.

[Klazam]

However his deep role play is making it harder to understand what he means as it pertains to the mafia game. As in I have to work harder to translate it into what he means in terms of mafia mechanics. Like if he were to just speak like he would in a normal game his posts will make more sense. I am trying not to let that affect my perception but could that be AI?

Still happy with my vote. This looks like shade slinging to me.

Not comfortable with the posting of Kokichi, but im not sure exactly what its about.

I was thinking about host's duties, I'm not 100% sure it matters on D1 who gets the host position. It matters much more about what they do with that position, because the specific actions that person takes probably will be able to be read into on later days with flips in mind. From what i understand of the mechanics, having a strong mechanically inclined mind in the host position isnt necessary because the information is public information, and the full town can have input on that.

[BuJaber]

Is there a reason why people are soft (and in some cases hard) claiming their civs? I sort of got the impression from OP it's best not to.

What makes you think that?

I went to look for it and couldn't find it. Turns out I misread the "Upick" subsection. Where he says roles were chosen after alignments. Has nothing to do with civilizations.

[Ranmaru]

@Ranmaru, Frankly, the gamma vote is ok. I am concerned about patterns. Kochi has the most votes to lynch yet players are not wanting to create a counterwagon for the host vote. One of the lead wagons is also highly likely to be scum due to wagon participation so I am reluctant to unvote.

I'm needing to see more things atm.

Hosts are a one time thing, right? I can see players holding out until their reads are solidified before doing so. It seems you have played a previous CIV game, though so I have no idea how host voting compares to actual lynch voting. I see no reason to remain on Gamma, since you voted him due to walling. (He explained it) He seems sensible. The only thing I note from him is cautiousness, but I can't determine which alignment that may be for now. I also think we can still discuss who deserves host votes, maybe even give fake host votes to bypass the permanence of the host votes. Also I'm assuming you think the wagon participants may be town, of which I

mostly

agree. I think scum are laying low or are competent. Who do you propose is a good host? I say: Chara > Joey > Titus > Varsoon > Ranmaru > Marshy. I'm not interested in mechanics but I'm willing to be a host and work it out if I'm voted.

TOWN [Ranmaru > Chara > Joey > Marshy > Titus > Varsoon > Action Dan > Shaziro | Dunk > Almost50 > Kokichi > Gamma > Brass > Klazam > Buja > Joda > Pidgey > Assemble | Elbirn > Creature > Nero Cane] SCUM

Vote: Nero Cane

I don't see Nero really trying to progress the game, he's voting Dunk and not doing much with it, and voices support for Bu but doesn't vote there. It's also odd he hasn't responded to Marshy's FOS. His interaction with Bu doesn't seem like he's scum hunting him even though he supports his wagon.

[Ranmaru]

Marshy: Move your vote from Dunk, Nero is voting him and you FOS him. Vote with me.

[Shaziro]

Ranmaru, if Chara is your towniest not-yourself read, would you be interested in having them be World Congress Leader?

[Ranmaru]

Yes.

[Nero Cain]

lololololol

Dunk is tied for the lead wagon. Why in the world would I switch my vote to another scum read?

[Ranmaru]

Fair point on that. I'll drop that point. Why didn't you respond to Marshy's FOS, and why are you voting Dunk right now? What's your recent thoughts on him?