Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Carrot and Stick]

Your actions don't speak of town who know I'll come around because you've made no effort there to reach out to me someone who you probably consider a friend (I know I certainly call you among mine at the very least).

Didn't you get something last night?

Nope! Just the Go Post message.

[Kthxbye]

consider this post my vote for acryon. I'm not voting officially till I have a VC cuz I'm lazy and cuz math is hard and even though acryon is certainly today's lynch, there's no reason to cut off conversation for it this quickly.

If this lynch doesn't happen today, them I'm done. Barring an investigation claim, if we don't lynch this scum today, might as well just give up due to incompetence.

I'm never voting acryon

And why the hell is that? Due to incompetence?

@Carrot: totally missed that. Howdy again Mast. Also, now you read MY tag line and put me at the top of your town reads. kthxbye

[Kthxbye]

@MOD: Who has been pinged for inactivity and how long till they will be replaced? *coughLilUziVertcough*

[Carrot and Stick]

Last night you should have gotten something, and you're ignoring it. Something that substantial proof that I'm not scum

Sorry, I got nothing and frankly there is no role you could claim to send something that I would believe--especially given that I did not roleblock you.

I know scum don't have a roleblocker because I am one.
If scum had a roleblocker and I was wrong on my belief they don't have one, their usage of it would be most likely to block either me or Mathdino.
If scum had a roleblocker, they would absolutely not use it on you given the scumreads on you.

And since I doubt town has a second roleblocker role, that means you're full of shit.

[Momrangal]

Your actions don't speak of town who know I'll come around because you've made no effort there to reach out to me someone who you probably consider a friend (I know I certainly call you among mine at the very least).

Didn't you get something last night?

Nope! Just the Go Post message.

You are either lying or I was somehow blocked.

[Gamma Emerald]

@MOD: Who has been pinged for inactivity and how long till they will be replaced? *coughLilUziVertcough*

Lil Uzi Vert already replaced out; Almost50 replaced him.

[Almost50]

Almost50 continues to not send off any townvibes and quite a few scumvibes since coming in.

Yes, I've been towning it up before you came in, and as soon as YOU (of all players on MS) replaced in I decided to switch frequency and send scum!vibes instead. *Sigh*

Mastina, I have but ONE question for you: Why the hell are you still alive if I'm scum here? I mean, knowing A50 that well, WHO do you think would be my 1st kill target? Who do you think would be 2nd?

P.S. DO NOT answer in public. Keep the answers to yourself.

[Carrot and Stick]

(I mean. This is MY chance to be counterclaimed. If town does have a second blocking role that blocked Momrangal, then this is something which should in fact be outed. Otherwise, I don't see any world where Momrangal is town. Especially since what she is softclaiming is apparently a favorite fakeclaim from her era of players for some ungodly reason.)

[Momrangal]

You were the only person who was scum reading me, which is why I sent it to you explicitly.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Carrot and stick

???

[Kthxbye]

@MOD: Who has been pinged for inactivity and how long till they will be replaced? *coughLilUziVertcough*

Lil Uzi Vert already replaced out; Almost50 replaced him.

Yeah, just saw the page one update. Sorry I missed that.

[Not_Mafia]

consider this post my vote for acryon. I'm not voting officially till I have a VC cuz I'm lazy and cuz math is hard and even though acryon is certainly today's lynch, there's no reason to cut off conversation for it this quickly.

If this lynch doesn't happen today, them I'm done. Barring an investigation claim, if we don't lynch this scum today, might as well just give up due to incompetence.

I'm never voting acryon

And why the hell is that? Due to incompetence?

@Carrot: totally missed that. Howdy again Mast. Also, now you read MY tag line and put me at the top of your town reads. kthxbye

Please lynch this when acryon flips town

[Kthxbye]

consider this post my vote for acryon. I'm not voting officially till I have a VC cuz I'm lazy and cuz math is hard and even though acryon is certainly today's lynch, there's no reason to cut off conversation for it this quickly.

If this lynch doesn't happen today, them I'm done. Barring an investigation claim, if we don't lynch this scum today, might as well just give up due to incompetence.

I'm never voting acryon

And why the hell is that? Due to incompetence?

@Carrot: totally missed that. Howdy again Mast. Also, now you read MY tag line and put me at the top of your town reads. kthxbye

Please lynch this when acryon flips town

Way to completely avoid answering the direct question and following up with more incompetence.... /golfclap

[Not_Mafia]

pls read game

[Almost50]

Town doesn't have a reason to want to survive, tactically. Scum do.

That's you saying! Personally I would have used it, and I only accept my lynch as a VT (and still hate it, tbh, as I just LOVE to eat a bullet at night instead).

[Momrangal]

And that's exactly why I think you're lying because there's no reason for me to have been blocked even if there was a scum RB, not with two claimed protectives.

[Momrangal]

I am a messenger and I can send messages to up to three people. Last night I sent a message to Mastina stating that I was town.

Mod confirmed target and that the message was Ok.

[Momrangal]

She and I both agree that I was unlikely blocked.

So why else would she have not gotten the message?

[Not_Mafia]

Are you 3 shot or can you send to up to 3 people per night?

[Momrangal]

I can send messages up to three people per night

[Carrot and Stick]

Mastina, I have but ONE question for you: Why the hell are you still alive if I'm scum here?

Not me?
Like.
Who the hell actually kills me N1 anymore?

Players just have a whole bunch of reasons not to. I am obvtown...but JUST scummy enough where hope of mislynching me remains.
I am infuriating to play with--people want to policy vote/lynch me near every game, which adds to the above.
I am infuriating to play with--this means players don't work well with me no matter how accurate my reads may be.
I am incredibly stubborn--this makes it easy to paint my viewpoint as being "confirmation bias", an easy way to discredit me.
I am incredibly stubborn--when I am in fact wrong, this is good justification in of itself for keeping me around longer.
I am not a scumhunting goddess--I am in fact often wrong.
I am very frequently prone to doubt--I do in fact reverse reads I shouldn't have reversed at times I shouldn't have.

Killing me gives credence to my reads. Killing me validates my points. Killing me is a good way to make people look at my reads and go, "maybe mastina was right". While this is convenient if I was in fact wrong, it is rather the inconvenience if I was right.

I am also incredibly easy to predict, by and large.
My role was also "known" last night. If scum "knew" my role (even assuming wrongly it was jailkeeper), they would be able to work around it, and use their own power (i.e., strongman) in a way which they knew wouldn't raise suspicion, more or less.

WHO do you think would be my 1st kill target? Who do you think would be 2nd?

Your first kill target would be the player you thought was most threatening in this specific game and whose death would most greatly be advantageous to your faction giving the most pros with the least number of cons.

Your second kill target would either match that modus operandi or switch to being a similar method of a policy-kill on a player who in most games fits that criteria even if not fitting them in the current game.

You don't kill me just because I'm me.
You don't kill Mathdino just because he's Mathdino.
You kill the player who gives the most benefit and the least cost. That was Iconeum. The benefits I outlined. The cost is nigh-nil. It was the most optimum nightkill, and one of the reasons it was so optimal is because of just how little it could even be traced to your modus operandi. EVERYONE had reason to kill Iconeum; as a result, NOBODY stands out above all others as via NKA looking suspicious.

The same cannot be said of a mastina nightkill. Many players would in fact be nigh-cleared from a mastina nightkill N1 because they would never nightkill me N1 given circumstances. InfernoBrafin, the worst, Mathdino, and BuJaber to name a few. Had I died, it would be strong evidence all of them were town--not to mention, Iconeum too. Because if I died, Iconeum would live. For that matter, so too would TheGoldenParadox have lived, and yet again he is among the list who wouldn't nightkill me N1.

EVERYONE had reason to kill Iconeum.

NOBODY

except

you/acryon/Momrangal/kthx/maybe Beefster had reason to kill me.

So had I died, red flags raised.

[Almost50]

She and I both agree that I was unlikely blocked.

So why else would she have not gotten the message?

Redirector/Bus Driver??

OK,

IF SOMEONE GOT A MESSAGE FROM MOM THEY SHOULD CLAIM NOW

I'll start: I didn't

[Almost50]

I can send messages up to three people per night

And why did you opt to send to only one person then?

[Carrot and Stick]

You were the only person who was scum reading me, which is why I sent it to you explicitly.

And I received nothing.
I still have received nothing.

I am a messenger and I can send messages to up to three people. Last night I sent a message to Mastina stating that I was town.

This is a scum usage of the role as well.

I mean.

I don't think it's a fakeclaim anymore with this clarification of what was sent.

I do however think it's a scumclaim of usage.
Not because it failed, that's a mystery but presumably something that someone out there likely town knows the circumstances behind.
The contents of the usage are what make it scum.

Sending to one player specifically who scumreads you, rather than trying to send to three people and trying to coordinate a system. A messenger role which can multi-message is useful for town to chain together a system of communication, using any non-banned method of encryption more or less. (For instance, a classical one is assigning each player in the playerlist a specific designation, e.g. fruit, a country, etc.; in posts, the players would then be able to reference things subtly.) Coordinating and communicating and even establishing potential ways of roleclaiming and breadcrumbing that the messaged (hopefully all town) players would understand yet those outside would not--an in-thread masonry.

That's the usage of a town multi-messenger.

Sending to a single player scumreading you?

Not so much, no.

[Not_Mafia]

I can send messages up to three people per night

Why send to only mastin?