Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Ranmaru]

I don't think Gamma is scum. I also forgot that Nero Cain seriously thinks people using nicknames is a tell.

[Nero Cain]

Dunk, what nation are you?

[Nero Cain]

I also forgot that Nero Cain seriously thinks people using nicknames is a tell.

You forgot but then instantly posted to a game that was 6 years old?

But if you like read that post I wasn't just scumreading you for mispelling my name. At the time, I had caught a scum or two for doing the exact thing. Its like willingly antagonizing a player. My vote for you this game was just me having a bit of fun.

[brassherald]

Brass, why are you sheeping Nero? Can you explain what Nero is voting me for?

I cannot explain why Nero is voting for you. But, I really cannot explain my play without also ruining it right now, I'm guessing I will be able to reveal in about 24-48 hours, but the play is the play.

And now I will not sheep Nero because, as I said before, it's all about wagons.

VOTE: Almost50

literally scumclaim
but gamma's worse

I should be insulted.

[Ranmaru]

Nero Cain

: No, I mean I read that post, and did the same as I did there: I gave you the nick name for fun. Then after I posted it in response to Gamma, I kept reading on to see that we had an argument about it. (I also had some laughs)

[Nero Cain]

I should be insulted.

Well, it is kinda odd that you voted not Gamma.

[brassherald]

I should be insulted.

Well, it is kinda odd that you voted not Gamma.

His wagon is too big.

[Nero Cain]

BTW, I had wanted to ask about this.

Breaking News: Nero Cain is the one who did the wrong-way association tell

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@Brass, We can have both no?

He said Dunker's flip would be telling of Koki's alignment when it probably should be the other way around. As such his association is the wrong way. Because of that he is a possible scum rn, but probably the weakest scumread I have.

Why is Koki's flip telling of Dunk's alignment? I don't think it is at all and I think its the worst argument ever. Bu is dumb, you should die for sheeping him.

Like, unless you count

aybe koki's opener is NAI but when dunkerdoodle follows it up by voting koki for host it looks pretty suspicious to me

Shouldn't that say more about Dunk than koki?

I never had a post until recently that said anything about Dunk's flip being AI for Koki (and that's only if Dunk flips scum) and to suggest that 134 is is a bit of a stretch on your part.

[Varsoon]

Why Elbirn, Vasoon? Also I have a question addressed to you earlier in the thread. Also, why are you still voting Gamma? Who else is scum?

Elbirn's definitely town, given how he's played this. I don't agree with his backing of Kokichi and I'd feel way more comfortable with Elbirn in the 2 people deciding things than anyone else because I feel he'd actually make democratic decisions rather than ones based on just what he wants. Apologies for missing your previous question, lemme get to that. It helps to bold things. I have a bad habit of skimming hard sometimes or missing posts entirely. I couldn't tell you who else is scum, but Gamma's still my best lead for who may be. When you stay 'still voting Gamma'--did Gamma do anything to exonerate himself or make himself really obviously town?

Here is my question. If you felt Koki was scum, why did you choose Dunk as your vote instead of Koki at the time?

When I voted, I thought Dunk was scum propping a candidate more than I was scumreading Koki. When Koki came out hot at me, I felt Koki was for sure scummier and we'd get way better info of a Koki lynch.

@GE: Someone would ask eventually, my guy. It also establishes that it's pretty much NAI for me since it's something I genuinely do regardless of alignment and that I know is a bias I have that has led me to persecute other town players.

What is this responding to of mine?

When you asked why I mentioned what faction Porkens and I were in Maplewood.
You also asked me to elaborate on Kokichi but I've pretty much said entirely everything that informed my read there at different points. If you don't like it, I guess you can lynch me for it, idk.

Varsoon, I'd like you to expand on your Gamma read. From an outside view it just looks like 2 OMGUS votes so far.

You really do like using the 'from and outside view' as a phrase a lot, don't you?
I mostly don't like Gamma's criticisms and his play feels really lackluster to me. He's quoting a lot of things but not really saying all that much. I feel like a lot of his criticism of me doesn't really justify a scumread on me at all, like it's lacking venom and just kind of stating facts of my play or asking me to elaborate more while voting me. Like the scumread on me is arbitrary.

[Dunkerdoodles]

Dunk, what nation are you?

celtic hbu

[Nero Cain]

germany

[Dunkerdoodles]

thats a nation?

[Dunkerdoodles]

oh it is

thats cool

[Nero Cain]

if Wikipedia say it is than by god its true

[Elbirn]

@Varsoon

Elbirn's definitely town, given how he's played this. I don't agree with his backing of Kokichi and I'd feel way more comfortable with Elbirn in the 2 people deciding things than anyone else because I feel he'd actually make democratic decisions rather than ones based on just what he wants.

1. Why am I definitely town? What have I done that warrants that?

2. Did you not come around on a townread of kokichi? Why don't you want him as host?

[Shaziro]

I'm disappointed that Titus kind of responded to my question but AD hasn't been around to do so.

[Varsoon]

@Varsoon

Elbirn's definitely town, given how he's played this. I don't agree with his backing of Kokichi and I'd feel way more comfortable with Elbirn in the 2 people deciding things than anyone else because I feel he'd actually make democratic decisions rather than ones based on just what he wants.

1. Why am I definitely town? What have I done that warrants that?

2. Did you not come around on a townread of kokichi? Why don't you want him as host?

1. You didn't know the mechanics, scum-you would, and I don't buy it's a gambit.
You voted for Dunkerdoodles.
Dropout from the 'host race' doesn't make sense from a scum PoV
You walked away from the Dunkerdoodles vote and then put stock in Kokichi for leader.

No way scum does all that.
Plus I like you.
Bros4life

2. I don't think Kokichi is scum but I also don't trust them as leader. It's that simple. My townread of them comes from understanding them as a player who doesn't see eye-to-eye with my game reality.

[Joey_]

Im breaking the RP because i feel like it keeps me from responding quickly to new stuff and it might hinder my wincon.

@Elbirn about Brass: I disliked most of his content, its especially pretty underwhelming compared to the rest of the table. That being said, my mind changed since i made that vote because he's obviously and very heavily softing that his behavior is explained by his role which IMO is not something i think scum just does. He also had that attitude since the very first post so this is coherent with his posting.

Also inb4 anyone try to push that i am fishing for claims, Brass implied something about his role easily 4-5 times since the beginning of the game, if you didn't notice yet then you are just not paying attention, me saying that in this post doesn't help scum as much as it helps town give the guy some space.

[Varsoon]

Well, I'm scum and I didn't catch that 'cus I'm bad at catching crumbs, so thanks, sucker.

[Nero Cain]

stop rolefishing Joey.

[Joey_]

Fucking please, im just sayin'g not to push the guy, i dont want him to claim anything and i prefer if people wouldn't claim their nationality, so i can throw that back at you asking Dunk

[Kokichi Oma]

You really do like using the 'from and outside view' as a phrase a lot, don't you?

Yes, because a lot of people don't know how to look at the game from not their POV.

[Kokichi Oma]

Fucking please, im just sayin'g not to push the guy, i dont want him to claim anything and i prefer if people wouldn't claim their nationality, so i can throw that back at you asking Dunk

What's wrong with Nationality? If I said I was Caesar, would that effect my alignment?

[Joey_]

Not alignement but role imo, its not directly implied in the rules but its very obviously the case

[Elbirn]

@Varsoon

Elbirn's definitely town, given how he's played this. I don't agree with his backing of Kokichi and I'd feel way more comfortable with Elbirn in the 2 people deciding things than anyone else because I feel he'd actually make democratic decisions rather than ones based on just what he wants.

1. Why am I definitely town? What have I done that warrants that?

2. Did you not come around on a townread of kokichi? Why don't you want him as host?

1. You didn't know the mechanics, scum-you would, and I don't buy it's a gambit.
You voted for Dunkerdoodles.
Dropout from the 'host race' doesn't make sense from a scum PoV
You walked away from the Dunkerdoodles vote and then put stock in Kokichi for leader.

No way scum does all that.
Plus I like you.
Bros4life

2. I don't think Kokichi is scum but I also don't trust them as leader. It's that simple. My townread of them comes from understanding them as a player who doesn't see eye-to-eye with my game reality.

1. I don't agree. The rules change wherein host/delegate votes were made permanent AFAIK was a last second rule change sent via pm when the game was opened. Knowing or not knowing this info is strictly NAI. If you feel that's a town tell, why not apply this to others who didn't realize the rules had changed?

Dropping out from the host race doesn't make sense as scum..unless someone's trying to garner town cred. I'm sure in one of the many games of yours I've played you've seen me do such things; I obvtown as either alignment. It's a really easy thing to do. In other words, this should also be strictly NAI.

2. Why not trust them as leader? If you think he's town, you must think he's trustworthy. And with the resolution picking being a democratic process we really just need the host to be someone who won't ratfuck us by unilaterally picking a shitty resolution that no one wants. If it's a question of game skill you should know I'm not the best player, so me as host doesn't logically work either.