Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Not_Mafia]

I don't remember making a case though

[Mathdino]

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[the worst]

@TW - does later mean today or on later days? Because if you have any info that tells us carrot's alignment it would be really helpful.

This games balancing is gonna be really interesting.

I can confirm town players as town. Won't be targeting anyone I'm scumreading.

Honestly I'm starting to really consider the idea that Mastina is scum here. more importantly I'm struggling to actually process everything that's going on through the epic walls of text...

[BuJaber]

Fair enough

Okay if you targeted one of:
-A50
-NM
-Math
-Beef

Do you mind sharing the result?
(You already said you didn't target Mom)

[Mathdino]

guys for fuck's sake

if i of all people am the only one defending mastina

there's no way she's scum here

scum doesn't bus mastina, there's no towncred in it

let's wagon A50

[the worst]

I targeted Ico. :/

Why are we wagoning A50 exactly?

[BuJaber]

How do you townread both acryon and mastina though? Mind explaining it to me?

[BuJaber]

Above is @Dino

[Mathdino]

i mean does it help if i spew bullshit about ~~~the gamestate~~~ and ~~~wagonomics~~~

i just don't believe the gamestate is accommodating for acryon-scum or mastina-scum UNLESS all of the other scum are lurkers

in which case the obvious solution is to just lynch the lurkers

[BuJaber]

Ico.. seriously?
Doesn't matter you're either scum or town who made a mistake. Not interested in your rationale now that it's done. It's just a sucky situation
Sigh.



@Dino - fine whatever but I prefer acryon over A50 and if you feel like spamming it up I'd want to know the answer after the game.

[BuJaber]

Actually why A50 over Mom.

From your perspective if acryon is not a lynch option and mastina is town shouldn't you be voting for mom?

[the worst]

Ico.. seriously?
Doesn't matter you're either scum or town who made a mistake. Not interested in your rationale now that it's done. It's just a sucky situation
Sigh.

Elaborate

I'll fullclaim and give reasoning if needed

[BuJaber]

@TW

In your poisition I would not have targeted Icon. So imo it was a bad choice.
If you are town you explaining your rationale doesn't really help us figure out the game and you can't undo it so it's unimportant as me agreeing or me convincing you it was a mistake doesn't change anything.
If you are scum you are lying so I don't care about any rationale you may have.

[Mathdino]

wait i would argue that him explaining himself is super helpful to reading him

the problem is TW is lockfuckingtown to the point of almost gamebetting

so yeah don't explain shit, TW

[Mathdino]

okay so our deftown is
{the worst, Mathdino}
maybe throw in {Beefster}

our "categorically not lynching them today" is
{acryon, mastina, Bujaber}
AND IN FAIRNESS TO ME one of these very well might be scum; doesn't make it beneficial to lynch here tho

that leaves
{Not_Mafia, IB, Marangal, Kthx, A50}

if all 3 scum are in here, we win by lynching them all
if 2 scum are in here, 40% chance of winning by lynching someone

the way i would probably order these are
N_M - dropped a towntell somewhere
IB - apparently too toxic to be scum lol
Kthx - meh
Marangal - has an unfortunate tendency to push scum wincon
A50 - probably scum

i want anyone who can confirm townies to confirm people in {Bujaber, Not_Mafia, InfernoBrafin}
beefster and i almost certainly die at night before lylo
obviously i'm going to be guarding the worst given that (unnecessary) claim but i will take arguments for guarding Beefster-jailkeeper instead

[the worst]

Nonono don't guard me that ruins the magic

[the worst]

I think I'm slow

Why is mastina a do-not-lynch for you?

Out of this bloc who do you think is objectively the most to least likely to be town? {Bujaber, Not_Mafia, InfernoBrafin} reiterating there is no function to me targeting a scumread

Why is A50 probscum?

[the worst]

Protect Beef tonight

[Mathdino]

i really don't know how to explain these reads tbh
maybe effortposting later in the day will help

A50 doesn't feel like town A50, he feels like he's just looking like he's a presence in the game
when i feel like if he didn't want to be a presence in the game, he wouldn't be defending himself the way he is
plus his arguments for mastina-scum are shit
i do think that A50 is the least likely to be town in the lynchbloc, but i could deal with a marangal lynch
that said since people seem to want a marangal lynch that naturally makes me uncomfortable and causes me to want an A50 lynch

if you mean outside of the lynchbloc, i'd say my reads go something like
Mathdion
the worst
Bujaber
Beefster
acryon
mastina

mastina is a do-not-lynch because i believe the past 2 days have been a case of town implosion
as in scum eats popcorn while mastina, acryon, and all the townies spite-lynching them push scum wincon so scum doesn't have to

[Mathdino]

also if you can agree with a basic townbloc of {the worst, Mathdino, Beefster}

and if you can also agree that there is not 2 scum in {acryon, mastina, Bujaber}

disclaimer: i have not actually analysed the possibility of these teams, but like, seems weird

then there is mathematically a higher probability of hitting scum in the remaining 5 players

[Mathdino]

tbh i could just be fucking wrong about beefster
scum jailkeeper is a pretty fair role

guess i'll iso him

i mean going based on reads then i would switch beefster and bujaber's positions

and ask if any of the following teams make sense:
acryon/mastina
acryon/Beefster
mastina/Beefster

if so, then my strategy is flawed
if not, then we should still lynch in that 5p lynchpool

[Mathdino]

also if you want to be strategic to the point of fucking comedy

i would be a proponent of literally lynching all 5 of them

and hoping that one of them gets NK'd or is cleared mechanically so that if there's one scum outside of that 5, then we just win the remaining 3p lylo

[Mathdino]

WAIT

HOT TAKE: Marangal town heavily implies Beefster-scum (alternatively, Beefster/Marangal are opposite alignments)

Beefster: Jailkeeper
mastina: Doctor/Roleblocker
Mathdino: Bodyguard

Beefster jails Marangal, which is currently putting Marangal in trouble
do the math

[the worst]

Let's do it. Dayvig time.

The town block is good. Especially for d2. Unfortunately there is zero chance of the three of us making it to like.... D3 or D4

As far as the associations go let me do some ISO reads and get back to you. There are no glaring flaws with the strategy that I can see but I'm not 100% sure yet.

Quite essentially... reading ANYTHING into Mastina's intentions is difficult but associations doubly so. I'll read Buj/Acryon and see if anything links backwards to her.



pedit: it's 11.15 and I'm trying to sleep hold on lemme think

[the worst]

Messenger Momrangal gets blocked by me thinking that she's scum. Messenger is undoubtedly a town role and she claimed her target/role before I claimed mine. The only way that Momrangal can be scum is if I am too. (Hint: I'm not)

Dino is a bit more of a stretch. I really can't say he's conftown, but the general situation suggests he is.

VOTE: Carrot and Stick

We are NOT lynching Momrangal today. I accidentally confirmed her as town.

Quoted for thinking