Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Joey_]

If we nominate a town block of about 5-6 people who will receives the most of the delegates for the coming days, if they get killed off they will keep somewhat of a head-start to keep the snowball effect, so town can get more delegates to give it to town and so on. It keeps the WL and 2nd runner up at least in town hands (if we have half decent reads, its not hard to find 4-5 obvious town slot in a 20p setup)

[brassherald]

Also, some people can be honest without being a douchebag. I don't think you can, Kokichi.

Apologies if I hurt your feelings, wasn't the intention. Do you forgive me?

No my feelings aren't hurt. I'm just calling it as I see it. I'd rather have someone be a douche and tell me the truth than be nice and lie to me, but there are some people who I will absolutely scum read if they don't do the first. Don't sugarcoat stuff, but I'm fully going to use that for my reads

[Varsoon]

No, Joey, you don't understand
If there ARE multiple teams and more than one of them tries to kill Brass, then we end up with less dead town than we would have otherwise.
Alternatively, scum avoid Brass, which makes it more likely that they cross-kill and easier for us to win.
Making Brass world leader is pretty much a win/win. Only way it doesn't work out is if
1. The setup isn't multiball, but I've already outlined why it's got to be unless we're screwed when it comes to world congress anyway
2. The different teams/SK manage to all co-ordinate such that only one kill ends up on Brass.

[Varsoon]

If we nominate a town block of about 5-6 people who will receives the most of the delegates for the coming days, if they get killed off they will keep somewhat of a head-start to keep the snowball effect, so town can get more delegates to give it to town and so on. It keeps the WL and 2nd runner up at least in town hands (if we have half decent reads, its not hard to find 4-5 obvious town slot in a 20p setup)

Also why assuming multiball is important because it entirely changes what you can reasonably townread someone for.
Normally, the difference between scum faking scumhunting versus town actually doing it can be pretty easy to pick up on, but in multiball, scum is legitimately hunting scum, so a lot of the ways you'd read alignment from players doesn't work the same.

[Joey_]

No, Joey, you don't understand
If there ARE multiple teams and more than one of them tries to kill Brass, then we end up with less dead town than we would have otherwise.
Alternatively, scum avoid Brass, which makes it more likely that they cross-kill and easier for us to win.
Making Brass world leader is pretty much a win/win. Only way it doesn't work out is if
1. The setup isn't multiball, but I've already outlined why it's got to be unless we're screwed when it comes to world congress anyway
2. The different teams/SK manage to all co-ordinate such that only one kill ends up on Brass.

I don't think that number 2 is that unlikely to happen even if they dont coordinate and its just by chance. Also theres the obvious off-chance that only one of those team have the "tools" to assure that brass is getting killed (strongarm) which means that said team will probably be the only one trying to make the kill, anyway i understand your point but it wasn't really what i was trying to get to.

I wanted to find a way to keep the delegates in town hands by electing a block to receives the delegates day after day

[Joey_]

If we nominate a town block of about 5-6 people who will receives the most of the delegates for the coming days, if they get killed off they will keep somewhat of a head-start to keep the snowball effect, so town can get more delegates to give it to town and so on. It keeps the WL and 2nd runner up at least in town hands (if we have half decent reads, its not hard to find 4-5 obvious town slot in a 20p setup)

Also why assuming multiball is important because it entirely changes what you can reasonably townread someone for.
Normally, the difference between scum faking scumhunting versus town actually doing it can be pretty easy to pick up on, but in multiball, scum is legitimately hunting scum, so a lot of the ways you'd read alignment from players doesn't work the same.

100% agreed, I don't play much large and i have very poor meta about the big setups so ill just take the possibility in my mind from now on

[Dunkerdoodles]

holy crap this exploded

catching up

[Dunkerdoodles]

Even right now why didn't you just say yes I claim mason.. Would be really interesting. Missed a great way to catch scum in whoever you claim as your mason partner.

That's a great point. Poor play on my part.

Well anyway are you still happy with your vote on A50 or was that part of appearing scummy?

Actually, I am not super happy with it.

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

I don't get why he thinks that Gamma was worse than what he called a scum claim. Explain, Dunker.

"scumclaim" is me being sarcastic.

[Varsoon]

I don't think that number 2 is that unlikely to happen even if they dont coordinate and its just by chance. Also theres the obvious off-chance that only one of those team have the "tools" to assure that brass is getting killed (strongarm) which means that said team will probably be the only one trying to make the kill, anyway i understand your point but it wasn't really what i was trying to get to.

I wanted to find a way to keep the delegates in town hands by electing a block to receives the delegates day after day

So what? We force a prisoner's dilemma situation on scum.
If one happens to have a strongarm/strongman, then it's very likely not unlimited use, so them having to burn a use just to get rid of our IC sounds like a win to me.

I do think that we can keep delegates in town hands, but the best place to start is with the confirmed town player, no?

[Dunkerdoodles]

Cutting this early because I want responses

@Dunker/Nero: are you voting me for my 213?

no

[Kokichi Oma]

I do feel Dunker is an easy vote. Dunker hasn't done anything townie at all. But, I would like to get this WC thing figured out first.

[Dunkerdoodles]

Brassherald has revealed himself as an

Innocent Child!

He is guaranteed to be aligned with town.

o wow

Im an idiot

WHY DID NO ONE TOLD ME BRASS WAS CONF TOWN WHILE I WAS REREADING.

Sorry should have made you host.

Now I get why you are mad at me, and now I get not to make votes or posts before fully catching up.

Also im lame

towny

[Joey_]

I don't think that number 2 is that unlikely to happen even if they dont coordinate and its just by chance. Also theres the obvious off-chance that only one of those team have the "tools" to assure that brass is getting killed (strongarm) which means that said team will probably be the only one trying to make the kill, anyway i understand your point but it wasn't really what i was trying to get to.

I wanted to find a way to keep the delegates in town hands by electing a block to receives the delegates day after day

So what? We force a prisoner's dilemma situation on scum.
If one happens to have a strongarm/strongman, then it's very likely not unlimited use, so them having to burn a use just to get rid of our IC sounds like a win to me.

I do think that we can keep delegates in town hands, but the best place to start is with the confirmed town player, no?

Prison dilemna yea, and yes/no about the confirmed town player. We have to make sure brass is WL but with the least amount of votes needed (in the future)

[Dunkerdoodles]

i dont like how quickly klazam wagon formed

[Dunkerdoodles]

@Brass:

Dunno if you got back to me or whatever, but did you figure anything out from your attempt at gambiting around IC? iirc you didn't have anything conclusive, but I could be wrong and also you've had more time to think on it now.

I did respond, but, I really think Dunker is scum.

I also got a few town reads from it, but not as much as I was hoping. I do think revealing with the World Congress still up for grabs ended up being a better play than anything I was able to do with my gambit, though.

can u explain why u scumread me so i can defend myself

[Dunkerdoodles]

@Brass:

Dunno if you got back to me or whatever, but did you figure anything out from your attempt at gambiting around IC? iirc you didn't have anything conclusive, but I could be wrong and also you've had more time to think on it now.

I did respond, but, I really think Dunker is scum.

I also got a few town reads from it, but not as much as I was hoping. I do think revealing with the World Congress still up for grabs ended up being a better play than anything I was able to do with my gambit, though.

My 2 cents : Dunkers a well known lynch bait and his flip won't make a difference to the game, i suggest you try to poke and flip more active/readable players

um excuse me but i'd like to think im somewhat not lynchbait anymore
please go look at my recent games if u think that

[Varsoon]

I'm glad it stalled hard so that we could figure out World Leader votes. I'm critical of Marshy for trying to make it gain a lot of momentum--moreso because, in multiball, he wouldn't have as much of team to propel it. If anyone's scum on that wagon, I'm thinking it's him. That said, if it's multiball, there's a good chance that Klazam is just scum anyway and could be a different team than Marshy, so I'll still take the Klazam lynch because it's better info.

[Joey_]

@Brass:

Dunno if you got back to me or whatever, but did you figure anything out from your attempt at gambiting around IC? iirc you didn't have anything conclusive, but I could be wrong and also you've had more time to think on it now.

I did respond, but, I really think Dunker is scum.

I also got a few town reads from it, but not as much as I was hoping. I do think revealing with the World Congress still up for grabs ended up being a better play than anything I was able to do with my gambit, though.

My 2 cents : Dunkers a well known lynch bait and his flip won't make a difference to the game, i suggest you try to poke and flip more active/readable players

um excuse me but i'd like to think im somewhat not lynchbait anymore
please go look at my recent games if u think that

Well this is pretty recent and you are getting fosed left and right, you also gave you permanent delegate first thing into the game so i disagree, you are still lynchbait (in case youre town here)

[Dunkerdoodles]

my meta is not lynchbait anymore is what im saying

[Joey_]

my meta is not lynchbait anymore is what im saying

Hm okay, what im saying is that you are lynchbait this game

[Dunkerdoodles]

my meta is not lynchbait anymore is what im saying

Hm okay, what im saying is that you are lynchbait this game

why am i lynchbait this game and not just scum?
VOTE: joey

[Chara]

can u explain why u scumread me so i can defend myself

this post reads like something someone would say to make fun of a scum player attempting to get a case they can then defend against without coming right out and saying it.
it's beautifully meta, and i almost don't want to scumread it.

i think Dunker not doing much to be considered towny is a great reason to wagon him, honestly.
Klazam for the same reason, though i could say there are aspects of Klazam's posting i'd call scummy rather than simply "not towny".

pedit: are you townreading Dunker, Joey?
peditx2: haha.

[Dunkerdoodles]

that post is very confusing

[Joey_]

my meta is not lynchbait anymore is what im saying

Hm okay, what im saying is that you are lynchbait this game

why am i lynchbait this game and not just scum?
VOTE: joey

Jeez, like i said in case you are town. Do i need to be extremely explicit every single post that im calling you lynchbait assuming youre town?

[Dunkerdoodles]

yeah ok that's fair

but do you scumread me or townread me (cause im "lynchbait")