Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Chara]

do you think it's multiball, Dunker?

[Varsoon]

Maaan, I have this huge revelation that the game is multiball and I was so conflicted about if sharing it would help or hinder the way we engaged with reads and things, but most people aren't even addressing it.



P-EDIT:
Yaaaay Chara
<3

[Joey_]

I just think you are naturally, superficially, objectively a scummy player regardless of alignement. You aren't charismatic for 2 cent and you aren't here to make friends, so you dont give a crap about apparences hence you get wagoned easily for reasons that have merits, most of time imo.

My stance about you as a player is to not rush a read and wait for an opportunity where you can actually towntell and to see past your shit posting. This game, you haven't towntell yet so it's a waiting game

[Dunkerdoodles]

that was random


i wouldn't be surprised if it was tbh based on the nature of the game
but
i usually assume it's singleball until something comes up that might mean it's multiball ie. 2 nks

[Dunkerdoodles]

I just think you are naturally, superficially, objectively a scummy player regardless of alignement. You aren't charismatic for 2 cent and you aren't here to make friends, so you dont give a crap about apparences hence you get wagoned easily for reasons that have merits, most of time imo.

My stance about you as a player is to not rush a read and wait for an opportunity where you can actually towntell and to see past your shit posting. This game, you haven't towntell yet so it's a waiting game

i think this is a very big lie

i don't think im "naturally" scummy, nor do i really know what that means. i scumhunt just like everyone else, i wouldn't say im a mean player, i actually think i'm a pretty nice guy.

honestly i think you're just making this stuff up to try and get an easy mislynch at this point

[Dunkerdoodles]

if you "knew" i was "mislynch bait", why would you be saying all this "scummy" stuff about me, if you knew i was town
hypothetically of course

[Almost50]

Hey, guys. Please play nice and don't let this thread explode if you expect me to do anything useful when I get to it. Thank you.

[Chara]

P-EDIT:
Yaaaay Chara
<3

does this mean i can have the pizza you just dropped. <3

honestly, most of that besides the Venmar mod-meta went over my head. i struggle to understand why this mechanic is overpowered for singleball, but i also don't really know how big of an impact these resolutions are going to have on the game. we haven't seen any yet. i believe it, though.

pedit: Almost, exploding threads are more fun! :>

[Joey_]

lol what a player, theres many misreppe of my post in yours and you are also putting words in my mouth (mean, scumhunt) so, whatever mate

[Chara]

that was random


i wouldn't be surprised if it was tbh based on the nature of the game
but
i usually assume it's singleball until something comes up that might mean it's multiball ie. 2 nks

my question was random? it was because of Varsoon's posts on the matter.

and your Joey vote. i was thinking if it

was

multiball, Joey's supposed assumption you're town wouldn't really matter, since he wouldn't know your alignment.

[Joey_]

that was random


i wouldn't be surprised if it was tbh based on the nature of the game
but
i usually assume it's singleball until something comes up that might mean it's multiball ie. 2 nks

my question was random? it was because of Varsoon's posts on the matter.

and your Joey vote. i was thinking if it

was

multiball, Joey's supposed assumption you're town wouldn't really matter, since he wouldn't know your alignment.

I would if i was scum, this is his reasoning

[Joey_]

nvm you are right in multiball, anyway

[Chara]

for what it's worth, i also think Dunker seems very nice from what i've seen. i don't think Joey was calling you mean, Dunker. that's different than not being charismatic.
and trying to get an easy mislynch on you while also saying you're scummy as either alignment just seems... counter-intuitive.

pedit: Chara is right again! (we're ignoring the vote on the IC. i blame him entirely and so does he.)

[marshy]

I'm glad it stalled hard so that we could figure out World Leader votes. I'm critical of Marshy for trying to make it gain a lot of momentum--moreso because, in multiball, he wouldn't have as much of team to propel it. If anyone's scum on that wagon, I'm thinking it's him. That said, if it's multiball, there's a good chance that Klazam is just scum anyway and could be a different team than Marshy, so I'll still take the Klazam lynch because it's better info.

what?

the point of a wagon is to lynch or create pressure. yes i want to put momentum towards it so something can HAPPEN in this game and generate more info/reads

besides

>joins me on wagon
>makes a CASE for the wagon
>shits on the guy who started it

lol @ this guy

[Shaziro]

I can’t decide if Varsoon’s recent contributions feel more like town trying to analyze, or scum that has at minimum a pretty good idea that it is multiball and is trying to communicate to the other team.

Thoughts from my townread friends?

[Chara]

UNVOTE:

[Joey_]

I can’t decide if Varsoon’s recent contributions feel more like town trying to analyze, or scum that has at minimum a pretty good idea that it is multiball and is trying to communicate to the other team.

Thoughts from my townread friends?

Scum would have no incentive to ever communicate to the other team, in almost every scenario here that i can think of

[Almost50]

pedit: Almost, exploding threads are more fun! :>

But I can't read through them, so...

Also, have you tried to solve my riddle yet? It should become too handy of you do.

P.S. Don't share the answer of you do solve it. Let the others make their own deductions.

[Chara]

I can’t decide if Varsoon’s recent contributions feel more like town trying to analyze, or scum that has at minimum a pretty good idea that it is multiball and is trying to communicate to the other team.

Thoughts from my townread friends?

scum in multiball should 100% know it's multiball, is my opinion. perhaps there's some room for uncertainty if the scumteam is incredibly beefed up, but i've not seen a setup like that.

not scumreading Varsoon anymore. not just the multiball spec, though i like the way he presented that.

pedit: coordinating kills?

[Joey_]

I can’t decide if Varsoon’s recent contributions feel more like town trying to analyze, or scum that has at minimum a pretty good idea that it is multiball and is trying to communicate to the other team.

Thoughts from my townread friends?

scum in multiball should 100% know it's multiball, is my opinion. perhaps there's some room for uncertainty if the scumteam is incredibly beefed up, but i've not seen a setup like that.

not scumreading Varsoon anymore. not just the multiball spec, though i like the way he presented that.

pedit: coordinating kills?

Coordinating kills is pointless in the start of the game, it's not worth revealing that your'e scum to the other scum-team (in a classic early-game scenario), they will just kill your ass

[Chara]

But I can't read through them, so...

Also, have you tried to solve my riddle yet? It should become too handy of you do.

P.S. Don't share the answer of you do solve it. Let the others make their own deductions.

tried and failed. i do appreciate your continued faith in me despite my numerous failures.
i can't even decode your PR crumbs when we're in hydra together, let alone whatever this is. :<

but i'll continue to do my best to figure out whatever your angle in this game is.
also, i believe pidgey is town and don't love the reasoning for your vote.

[Chara]

Joey: i don't know enough about scum multiball strategy to agree or disagree with you on that in particular. but, thanks for the answer.

[Shaziro]

Chara wins the mirror tell town cred. He specifically brought up that scum’s best chance is to have only one team go for brass. This could easily be implication as to which team should do the thing. I just am not sure how realistic that is, the only multiball game I’ve been in where I wasn’t scum I don’t have a very good recollection of.

Maybe I’m confbiased, does A50 insisting on the dumb riddle thing smack of trying to get people to accept a fake claim because he put it to some weird riddle? The idea being that “oh if he put this much effort it is clearly a real claim” would get him a mostly free ride? I don’t tend to see town who drop hidden info become so insistent that people find it.

P-edit: didn’t think about it that way, Joey. Townread friends who aren’t Chara?

[Varsoon]

does this mean i can have the pizza you just dropped. <3

honestly, most of that besides the Venmar mod-meta went over my head. i struggle to understand why this mechanic is overpowered for singleball, but i also don't really know how big of an impact these resolutions are going to have on the game. we haven't seen any yet. i believe it, though.

pedit: Almost, exploding threads are more fun! :>

Yes! Though I am eating pizza IRL right now

Consider: With 21 players, setup singleball balance is usually 15 town, 6 scum or 16 town, 5 scum. Usually if it's 6 scum, then one'll be a traitor or something. Anyway, let's assume 5 scum on one team, then.
All five scum back one of the scum as a candidate, right?
Now that person has 5 votes for them and town has 15 votes of their own to lobby around
What are the chances TWO townies BOTH get over 5 votes?
It's pretty low considering it's hard to build trust.
If anything, played right, the scum getting voted by his buddies could amass way more than just those 5, too!
And then what happens? If he's leader, he gets an extra delegate
Then let's say a townie is lynch and scum kill another townie
Now it's Day 2 and town has 14 players alive, 14 votes total and scum now has 6 votes!!
This happens again and on day 3, town's looking at 12 votes total against scum's 7 votes--now scum can always assure that one of their members is at least runner up, no matter what.

Yes, the public nature of it would allow town to lynch scum if it became too obvious, but from a purely mechanical standpoint, the mechanic is not balanced in town's favor if the scumteam is large.
However, consider the same with two or three smaller scumteams
All of a sudden, it's much more balanced!

[Almost50]

@Chara: OK...

UNVOTE:

Who do you think I should vote? (Hint: Not you, Nero, Dunker or ran)